Dura Ace 12speed Firmware update, not so wireless...
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День томуNo quite the stuff I normally cover on the main channel, but I thought this might help some people out there trying to update the firmware on the new Shimano 12speed shift levers (Dura Ace 9270 and Ultegra 8170). Even though they are wireless, you can't update the firmware wirelessly ...which might cause some confusion.
Part used for connecting the levers:
EW-SD300 (1400mm in my case)
EW-JC302 Junction
Check bettershifting.com for the latest information
(This video might be outdated when you watch this)
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Timestamps:
0:00 Wireless STI shift lever firmware update not possible
0:43 Three ways to update the STI's Wired
1:59 Update by connecting the STI directly to the battery
3:05 WARNING, don't forget to plug the battery!
4:05 Update by connecting the STI directly to the FD Cable with a a junction
5:17 Summery
@WowRixter 2 роки тому
That seems like an insane amount of work to update firmware
@drewzylla9032 2 роки тому
So glad i found this video months ago. Anticipated the need for the cables and junction and pre-ordered them to arrive the same time as the bike. Ride safe sir.
@cleftoftherock6797 2 роки тому
Appreciated. Best demo out there. I have the same issue. Just one of the levers won’t upgrade wirelessly. Still works but being a perfectionist. It should be the most recent firmware.
@oddbark2770 7 місяців тому
Very helpful. Just got this groupset and quite a steep learning curve. Many thanks
@DTB1976 Рік тому
Wow. That was one hell of a helpful video! Pretty clean explanation. All I needed. Well done! Thx a lot.
@masterofany Рік тому
Thank you so much. Shifter connected to front derailleur worked. So easy.
@jonasavellana Рік тому
Thanks for sharing this video! Managed to update the firmware on my shifters watching your video.
@ROJBTS Рік тому
Happy to hear it was of help, cheers!
@mateoprincipia5729 Рік тому
Frist, I used the lower port and connection was not established. Then I found your video and I am happy now!
@bennop.2553 2 роки тому
Thx a lot. It works. Also levers are now up to date.😊
@Jarek. Рік тому
Awesome presentation. Thanks!
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
Tip for anyone doing this for the fist time, lime me when I did this update today: at first, I couldn't get the shifters to show as wired in e-Tube, until I worked out that you have to push the cable into the sockets (on both battery and shifter) very hard, hard enough to make you worry about breaking something. After that, the process went just as in the video. Update for the battery and both derailleurs also dropped in the last few days, so I had a lot of updating to do!
@joebloodworth 4 місяці тому
BIKE SHOP ROUTE BEWARE: ASK WHAT LABOR WILL COST (estimate) first. Black Mountain Bicycles in San Diego quoted me $50 to update my firmware and would have to leave it overnight. These cables cost $43 from Jenson. Great videos as always! Arigato Gozaimasu!
@toekneewood 21 день тому
Nice 👍 one. Cheers for the information. Just attempted mine and was very surprised that shimano does not have this sorted. SRAM next time for me 😂
@suartdave 7 місяців тому
Thank you. Used this to upgrade 12 speed ultegra shifters using a connection to the front mech to save messing with my seat post adjustment. My tips I learned. 1. Use an TL-EW300 cable tool it really makes a difference. Disconnected software carefully each time I plugged or unplugged something and watched the mech go to sleep first. On connecting the 2nd shifter initially the app didn’t see it wired so disconnected from the app, let it go to sleep and disconnected at the front mech and reconnected (I hadn’t disturbed this connection when switching which shifter I hard wired at the bars… but the system must want to forget the other one first) and it worked. So all in all an excellent video and thanks for sharing.
@LUIXGUI723 5 місяців тому
You connected it to the front derailler right? Tried multiple times doing what you said, and still does not show as 'Wired'
@aquanuggets 2 місяці тому
Same story here. Tried battery as well and no recognition as “wired”
@suartdave 2 місяці тому
@@LUIXGUI723 yes to the front mech for each shifter in turn. Front mech is ultimately wired to the battery.
@christopherhood9241 2 роки тому
I don't have this issue with mechanical cable........ Still - no Sunday is complete without a view from you :)
@bikebike2450 4 місяці тому
Good video . I wish you can show clearly where to insert the cable into the Shifter as well as the FD. Those areas are still a mystery to me after watching your video.
@pinkertonpunk Рік тому
Out of curiosity you wrapped the battery in bubble wrap. Was it rattling before that? Trying to track down a knock noise over bumps from my wife’s new Emonda. Pretty similar build to yours.
@Miguel-mv2bs Рік тому
Thanks so much for this video. What specific model of handlebar and stem are you using?
@ROJBTS Рік тому
Schmokle TLO / THM Ulna
@saulorunho6284 Рік тому
hello...congratulations for the video what was the size of the internal cables joining the battery to the deraileur?
@ROJBTS Рік тому
1200mm and 900mm
@BetterShifting 2 роки тому
BAM! Notification squad!
@dominicbritt Рік тому
centre plug is a terminator for the Shimano cable data bus
@marsruarua594 8 місяців тому
I have a question: What does the upgrade do?
@Saladh_Olivier Рік тому
Thanks for the video! After using a direct mount derailleur hanger on your Emonda, how do you find it? Have you had any issues? Ta
@ROJBTS Рік тому
Apart from the lighter overall weight, I can't tell any difference in performance at all. The QC can be questionable, as you can see in the video on the main channel where I had to tap out the last bit of threads myself.
@MAALNASO Рік тому
What cable did u connected to the front derau?
@dsonyay 6 місяців тому
So .. I can use either cable? Looks like the easiest is the one that connects to front derailleur.. not needing to yank out the seat post
@aerobrain2001 11 місяців тому
Did I miss what you did with the junction box for the front mech method?! Was it just plugged in line with the two cables?
@ROJBTS 11 місяців тому
Correct
@user-nu5fx6en9h 2 роки тому
That’s just so much work compare to Sram just phone while chilling on the sofa
@Ataraxist 2 роки тому
> Update by connecting the STI directly to the FD Cable with a a junction >> does this require the 2 parts you mentioned? EW-SD300 & EW-JC302 Junction ?? Thx
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
I you don't have you lever mounted and hose connected (ie not attached to the bike) you can connect it directly to the FD cable. The cable an junction is in case you can't get your lever down to bottom bracket area
@dmitry.gashko Місяць тому
Just curious how it works internally. e.g. would it work if you just connect it to separate battery or just to some other power source (if you have enough skills)?
@sandamandaman8836 2 роки тому
I tried to update my Ultegra ST-R8170 Shifter via the cable connected to the front derailleur. This did not work out unfortunately (maybe I am doing something wrong) but I read that more people have this issue. Is there an other way to update the firmware?
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
strange, It should work, but the only other way would be to connect the shifters to the PC link and a PC. In that case thought I might be worth having you LBS do it for you rather than to spend money on a the PC link for a simple firmware update.
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
See my comment - like me, you may not have pushed the cables into the shifter and battery hard enough. I was stuck for 20 minutes trying to work it out.
@ugot2laf 9 місяців тому
Question: I followed your simple instructions was able to successfully update the FW on the left lever (12-spd Ultegra Di2). However, when I followed the same steps for the right, the iPhone app does not see it as wired (like it did for the left). Any ideas?
@ROJBTS 9 місяців тому
Make sure you connected the wire to the upper port on the lever. The lower port is only for sprint shifters and won’t work.
@MichaelLoose 5 місяців тому
Had the same problem, disconnected the app and connected again. Then, it worked for me.
@liquidSpin Рік тому
@4:29 how did you connect the cable to the FD? I’m looking at my DA Di2 9270 and I don’t see anywhere to plug the wire into
@ROJBTS Рік тому
1:20
@liquidSpin Рік тому
@@ROJBTS yeah I finally caught on. I thought the cable plugs into the FD but I realized that the junction actually connects to the FD cable haha Firmware updated! Thanks for the video!!🙌🏻🙏🏻
@rdcanyon Рік тому
@@ROJBTS you edited out actually connecting the cable!
@JoseSorianoPhotography Рік тому
Is the cable on the lever the same as the 11 spd di2? I see the cable on the rd is smaller than the previous generation
@ROJBTS Рік тому
All cables are the smaller EV-SD300 versions (Not 11 speed compatible)
@Caror007 Рік тому
Juste a simple question....why is it not possible from the rear deraller instead of front ?
@ROJBTS Рік тому
The "Brain" (Bluetooth connection etc) is in the RD, so if that's not connected, nothing works
@moxerl 2 роки тому
What's the weight of the bubble wrap around the battery? Just saying... 🤓
@starpub1376 Рік тому
it's feather light around 1g - 2g
@dannyboy2674 2 роки тому
I have the Ultegra R8100 brought the suggested cable and nothing. 🤷🏻♂️. Doesn’t register that is is wired after following ROJ instructions. Anyone else having the same issue? Love the content in both Channels btw.
@sandamandaman8836 2 роки тому
Have the same issue here dannyboy! Bought the advised components but my Ultegra R8100 shifters will not update as it is not "wired". No idea why it is not working...???
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
I had this problem and was about to give up when I noticed the cables didn't seem to be as far into the sockets as the other cables. A very hard push (worryingly hard) did the job and the shifter showed up as wired and could be updated.
@dannyboy2674 2 роки тому
@@sandamandaman8836 I win. With a little help from @charleshowarth I connected the cables then disconnected the bike from the app. Push and help the function button until it went greeny / yellow colour then reconnected the bike to the app and hey presto shifter showed as “wired” and update completed. Hope this works for you.
@dannyboy2674 2 роки тому
@@zodgzod thanks this along with disconnecting and pressing the function button Seemed to work. 👍🏼. Shame not as straight forward as the rest of the groupset.
@jamiebuechler8833 2 роки тому
I tried dannyboy2674’s solution on my Tarmac SL7 Ultegra R8100 shifters - it did not work for me. Guess I’ll take my bike back to LBS - such a pain Shimano!
@owenjohnson5030 2 роки тому
Have you had any trouble with the synchro-shifting? I have the new 8100 Ultegra system and I'm unable to syncro-shift. My old Di2 Ultegra works no problem.
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
Sorry, I don't use Syncro-shift myself, prefer having all the controls myself. It should work though 🧐
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
Same here. I can't switch to synchro in Etube.
@chrisl5146 2 роки тому
Hey bro I’ve same issue have you found a fix in the meantime ?
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
@@chrisl5146 No, but I haven't put the latest firmware on the shifters yet (only just got the cable). Maybe that will fix it? (Semi is working.)
@sandamandaman8836 2 роки тому
Same problem here, have Ultegra R8100 but cannot activate Syncho, nor update the software on the shifters... @charles howarth, did the update in shifters enable Syncho Mode?
@GNX157 Рік тому
Anyone know the part number for the tool he used to press/snap the connector in and remove?
@GuyZoghby Місяць тому
Shimano TL-EW300 - odd but helpful.
@user-tu2zc5ln8t Місяць тому
Nothing to see nor recognize how to connect at the derailleur cable while remoing the cover a.s.o..
@drewzylla9032 2 роки тому
is this still the case...still cannot be updated without a physical connection?...i just preordered my di2 12 speed ultegra bike and would love to know. So I can prepare the necessary equipment needed. If anyone knows would love to find out.
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
Yes, as of late mars 2022, it still the case. Keep an eye on bettershifting.com they will have all relevant information as updates are released.
@drewzylla9032 2 роки тому
@@ROJBTS thanks @ROJ BTS successfully updated mine using the methods here. I'd like to point out based on my experience that after "wiring" the Left and Right Shifters. There might be an occurence where it fails to pair up with RD and FD. Simply redo the Switch pairing (after successfully updating both) by removing then using the E-tube app...then finding/scanning the QR code on the inside part of both shifters. Did the trick for me..
@TheOkinawaBoy 2 роки тому
What was in that update?Anything useful?
@spooksy1982 2 роки тому
Wow. SRAM AXS eTap is so much better…. Why all the cables and can’t update it wirelessly? I was really thinking about getting the ultegra di2 on my second bike but I might stick with ultegra mechanical. My main bike is running red axs eTap and the battery system is a lot better. Thanks for the video! Very helpful.
@ianiscaratti4924 2 роки тому
because it shifts better. It is lighter. It is cheaper. tolerances are better. just one battery to charge. there are many reasons why or why not go the shimano
@stormsailing Рік тому
I did the Update, completed just fine and then my levers didnt work. Solved it by unpairing the levers in the app and then readding them. Just FYI if anyone gets the same issue.
@piotrbonkowski6021 11 місяців тому
I connected in two ways and I can't update the shifters. There is no information that they were wired
@jbratt Рік тому
I was able to update my levers wireless. I guess mine is a later version.
@jamiebuechler8833 2 роки тому
I tried this with my Tarmac SL7 di2. I connected the wire to the port on my shifter, then to my rear derailleur. The firmware update in the app still gives me the same error. I tried connecting to my rear derailleur, and the app disconnected from the bike - saying the Bluetooth was disconnected. Short of taking it back to LBS, does anyone have any ideas?
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
You can't connect it to the RD, that must be connected to the battery. Bluetooth was disconnected because there was no power anymore :) You need to connect the levers to the battery (either via the FD wire, or the unused port on the battery itself)
@jamiebuechler8833 2 роки тому
@@ROJBTS Thanks. I'll try that.
@jamiebuechler8833 2 роки тому
@@ROJBTS I did try connecting to the FD - no go with that.
@ThomasAnselmi1337 2 роки тому
@@jamiebuechler8833 having the same issue on 8100
@starpub1376 Рік тому
@@jamiebuechler8833 U connected it to the FD itself?
@MAALNASO Рік тому
Can i use this cable for ultegra too?
@ROJBTS Рік тому
For ultegra 8100 12speed, yes.
@hmudesign 2 роки тому
What was the update all about? De bugging :)
@lifeincycling 2 роки тому
A step in the wrong direction for sure. I was able to update my GRX components wirelessly just now.
@z28fun 10 місяців тому
What a pain! I should of gotten a bike with SRAM!
@billmaidment5623 2 роки тому
Why do you have two channels and why isn’t this posted on your other channel ?
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
I use this channel for "low" effort videos, tests and experiments etc.
@billmaidment5623 2 роки тому
@@ROJBTS glad I found it. This is an important topic.
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
@@billmaidment5623 the plan is to reference this video in a more long-term impressions video on the main channel
@billmaidment5623 2 роки тому
@@ROJBTS yes. Please do that I think people will want to know this. My friend built up his bike and learned the hard way. The second time he built with 9200 he updated all firmware before assembly.
@Rob-fx5yn 2 роки тому
I would guess they coded something to check if a battery is connected to update any components, but looks like they forgot they made the shifters wireless lol. Should be a simple fix for their developers
@ROJBTS 2 роки тому
Finger crossed!
@oddbark2770 7 місяців тому
Thinking that the button batteries in the shifters not the safest power source when doing a firmwear upgrade, hence the more reliable power supply required.@@ROJBTS
@edwingomez4141 2 роки тому
That's to much step lol I will take it to my local bike shop
@jakezarbrezhoneg4110 2 роки тому
thank you so much. :-) jakes french weightweenies
@germurphy4986 2 роки тому
Shimano E-tube is a steaming pile of t-rex dung.
@FluffyMeowington Рік тому
THanks for the video, but man...fuck that. Just got my new BMC with the 12spd Ultegra DI2 and the first thing I see is "unable to update firmware??" They best find a way to do this via the app...or, you know, the USB CHARGING CABLE THAT CAME WITH THE GROUPSET. Fucking Shimano, I swear.
@davidmeier8860 11 місяців тому
Ridiculous that the front shifters are designed this way for an update
@SpeedGio Рік тому
This is a terrible idea. Shimano guys are just crazy!
@damu6678 2 роки тому
Such an odd design by Shimano. This is a worse experience than the older Di2
@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele 11 місяців тому
What does it mean "update the firmware"? It's a bicycle, come on... It shouldn't have chips, firmwares and all this unuseful crap!
@projectcycling 2 роки тому
Love Shimano but to me they seem years late every time... those new Dura aces use more cables than my 105 mechanical groupset and it's kinda absurd. Changing 2 mech cables is quicker than upgrading 2 controls firmwares :D At the end I prefer the SRAM approach: no cables and different batteries.
@zodgzod 2 роки тому
Once every six months you need to connect the shifters to the battery to update their firmware. The rest of the time, you have a lovely clean system with only two wires, both hidden until th last few cm and no wires from the shifters. I think it's great.
@user-nu5fx6en9h 2 роки тому
That’s tru Sram just makes the life easier
@ivanteo1973 2 роки тому
@@user-nu5fx6en9h SRAM product is very well thought from design to user. Shimano is half bake. The wired to semi wire/wireless design philosophy already tells you that.
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