You are wrong about Bay Area support. the hockey interest was high on the west side of the bay, i.e. San Francisco, San Mateo county and San Jose, Santa Clara county.. But the Nhl would not let the team play in the Cow Palace, they had to play across the bay in the new Oakland arena, which was 30 to 40 miles away from the hockey fans in the Bay area. Thus, although weekend Friday night games were usually sold out in Oakland, but midweek games, i.e. fans have to go to work the next morning, meant crowds of around 3,000 to 4,000... ...it was similar to the current Ottawa Senators situation, the arena was too far away from the actual fans....the hockey fans were developed on the west side of the bay by the San Francisco Seals of the Western Hockey League, who began in Nov 1961, and won 2 titles in 1963 and 1964 at the Cow Palace. The Seals were so popular that the Nhl team took their nickname and several of their players like Charlie Burns and Gerry Odrowski to the NHL team. ...... also, notice that the team was lousy for most of their years in Oakland, and they failed miserably in one season in Cleveland, thus accenting the fact that they were supported by Bay area fans about as well as could be expected.... the success of the San Jose Sharks, who began by playing 2 sold out seasons in the Cow Palace, beginning in 1991, just gives total confirmation to the facts I described here.

SHAKE IT UP!!!

I want to see the Kansas City Scouts return for the reason that I like their logo.

I agree

Nah Hamilton tigers

Mr__Pickle We’ve been trying to find a way to get The whalers back But we’re to high on taxes

Gotta put a team back in Quebec City!. Hhow does Texas have the same number of nhl teams as the province of Quebec... that makes my brain hurt

@@MrMartinae06 no it hurts more considering California has more teams then Ontario wtf is that

yeah it was when the city was burned at the end of the American Civil War which makes it very odd to think about with the flames now.

They had been the Kansas City Scouts before the move to Denver. Wild . . . .

They moved to New Jersey because there was an MLB team called the Colorado Rockies so it makes sense.

@@keirassecretalt1902 the Rockies baseball team didn't come around until 1993...11 years after the Colorsdo Rockies hockey team left for New Jersey

@@coulrophobic123 ok

I was expecting a funny ending where you said the Rockies quit playing hockey and became a pro baseball team lol

Phoenix Coyotes being the better brand.

The fans want it, but the NHL doesn't want another Canadian team. There have been attempts to move teams struggling to Quebec but its always been shot down by the NHL

Yeah I want my Nordiques back but it only happens in NHL20

@@devinaschenbrenner2683 I loved the Dekes when I was a kid, rocked my Ricci sweater with pride. Inasmuch as I'd love to see them back, there's very little money to be made there. Just over a half a million people would make it the smallest market and no opportunity to grow the fanbase in a meaningful way. Again, I'd love to be wrong, but it's economics not politics preventing the teams return.

Tabernac jeteme nordics

​ Jason Lamontagne The problem with Quebec is that they don't have enough big head offices in way to make the franchise profitable. Corporate lodges is what makes a team profitable and you better be able to rent them at 100% every season. Québec been unable to do that and will never be able.

Thank God. Winnipeg deserves hockey way more than fuckin Atlanta.

@@loosetube5417 Idk man. If they had better management, they could’ve been looking like Nashville.

And the management in Winnipeg is why they are a successful business.

@@loosetube5417 Should’ve been the Coyotes going back to Winnipeg

@@loosetube5417 oof this comment reeks of ignorance

Even if that happened, I wonder if they would make the new owners choose a new name, like when Minnesota got a team back. The current owners of the Whalers brand still use it, unlike most other relocated teams.

Troy Warzocha just move the panthers to hardfort

I want this too. I'm not from CT nor ever was I a Whalers fan. I JUST WANT TO HEAR BRASS BONAZA AGAIN!!

Troy Warzocha, same here man. It’s hard having to get all the way out to New York all the time.

Use to love the old Whalers-Bruins games on Sportschannel America. My girlfriend at the time became a Whalers fan only because there was a Mall surrounding the Arena. BRING BACK THE WHALE!

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Just a correction Pierre Elliot Trudeau died several years ago and was a former prime minister of Canada and it is now his son Justin Trudeau who is Prime minister. It is Pierre Karl Peladeau who has the majority of the actions in Quebecor and Quebecor is a partner with NHL for the TV rights in Canada si Gary should think twice to ignore Quebec if he wants to keep the deal active

To clarify things, the NHL Commissioner is hired by the owners. It's the owners who make the decision about where to add teams, moving teams, disbanding teams, etc. Bettman cannot make a decision like that on his own. I'm guessing there isn't an economic model in place that tells the other owners that a new team in Quebec City will be successful financially (now that the new arena is built). It's still a small market that won't be able to overcome the exchange rate between $US and $CDN. I would think that the Rouge, Blanc et Bleu have something to say about it too.

Not likely unless Atlanta for some reason gets a third try at a hockey team and fails. but even then it'd likely move to Hartford rather than Quebec. Owners tend to have a hard on against putting a team in Quebec city

They don't, and it's not just him. The Habs own that area they aren't giving it up

Lyse Lamontagne The two worst PM’s in Canadian history. Both sold us out.

I dont know. I like the Wolverhampton Wanderers if the English Premier League. To me that's the best.

QUEBEC YHEA!

Lets go whalers

We must get Atlanta back!! Best history out of all the defunct teams

@@professorfoxtrot lol. Atlanta is the last city that should get a team back. It had lack of support. It's not a Hockey city market. A economic failure. Arizona should also move, another failed support and economic failure. Florida Panthers might as well follow the Arizona Coyotes as well to a new city. These teams are losing money and have low attendance numbers. NHL just helps bail them out because Gay Betman wants teams in these markets that dont care enough about Hockey.

Please bring QUÉBEC

bring back the Nordiques and the whalers to counter vegas and Seattle

@@WaydeRobson and minnesota got a team too

Their Colours And Designs Are Iconic It Would Be Awesome To Have Them Back Facts.

But would they be called The Hartford Whalers and the Quebec nordiques or would they be a different team

@@mikekeeler6362 They would probably have to be named something different since both franchises were moved to other locations, the Nordiques to Colorado and the Whalers to Carolina. The owners of those teams own the rights to the past teams and logos. I don't see either owner giving those up unless the compensation is huge.

Isn't there a juniors team that use the logo? I saw something about that not too long ago...

@@kevinmoore2929 might well be, but that only adds to the fact that people there loved the Whalers

Bring back the Barons!!

@@kevinmoore2929 yes I Live like 2 minutes from they're home rink

Never been to Hartford but loved them as a kid. Still have a home and away Whalers sweater. Avs fans have no idea what team it is.

Jackson Romaniuk (Student) and fuck you, dogs can’t talk

I think it’s bc several players have the last name St?Louis and this is how it is pronounced in their case

My family is from Quebec.....Their is definitely a market here for sure. The fans are hardcore just as the Habs........I'm confident that each game would be sold out.

Same ,all my family is bummed that the Nordiques aren't in the NHL ,I would love having a team to represent where I'm from but still a massive Blackhawk's fan

Thank you! What I've been thinking for years but was too polite to say.

And my reply to that is that we had a shit owner for 20 Years and in 1993 we were screwed over in the Conference Finals.

CrociatoAzzurro we have Melnyk...

@@scottjohnson3903 And we had Harold Ballard back then. He was the worst.

@Jackson Tech Things well you are Canadian ha ha ha

Agree! Whalers, Nordiques & North Stars were all awesome teams

Wow that means a lot thanks!

@@Slavic_Boer Kevin Dineen!

@@Slavic_Boer like chocolate and peanut butter

Too little, too late. You don't support a team when they start threatening to leave!

Yea, it gets on my nerves when people can not say St.Louis right. Plus, the Carolina Hurricane wear the old Whaler jersey. I bought one last year.

Calisse de tabernac! So do you pronounce "saint" correctly? "San-loo-ee Blues" certainment!

Mr. Blutarsky ?

Matthew Macinnis that guy is talking about the original French pronunciation. Which was unnecessary but... here we are

I'd get it if he was talking about Martin St. Louis.

He missed the opportunity to mention that the Howes all played for the Houston Aeros, where they won back-to-back WHA championship in '74 and '75. They then all moved together to the New England Whalers.

who started as the New England Whalers until their arena in Springfield burned

Yeah, World War I was a real hoot.

@@cisium1184 as a student of that time period I concur.

coughconnecticutwhalecough

@Don Avan I was a Dekes fan in the 90s and my heart broke when they moved. Having said that, there's very little money to be made there. Just over a half a million people would make it the smallest market and no opportunity to grow the fanbase in a meaningful way. For better or worse, it's economics not politics preventing the teams return.

@@Copperlax I live in Quebec city and the region is around 800 000 peoples ... take a look ... Quebec City + Ancienne-Lorette + Lévis + St-Augustin !!! That's the region, not just Quebec city alone

@@nicjoe5116 Im from quebec too but im gonna write in english ; Having the team back would be great. I wasn't born when the rivalry between them and Montreal was going since they moved before I was born, but from what I've seen across documentaries and heard from quebecers, it seemed great. The sad part is that the middle class across these cities probably couldn't afford tickets for a game. We know how the government likes to take money from us over here, this added to taxes would prevent a lot of people from going to the games. If we were to have a team, the government would have to help cut the prices...

@@eroy5448 Je pense que tu as raisons. Sauf que je suis le parfait exemple de ce qui pourrait se faire, soit d'acheter 2 billets de saisons à 4 ou à 6 personnes, question de répartir le coût. De toute façon, qui a 42 soirée de libre dans l'hiver pour aller voir du hockey autant sur semaine que la fin de semaine ?

@@nicjoe5116 Fair enough, but it's still a really small market with little room for growth. You're far more likely to see a team in Houston (Metro: 7 Mil) than in QC just because of the potential lucrative market. I would love to be wrong because the Nordiques were awesome and QC is one of the most beautiful cities in North America. I just don't see it happening any time soon purely for economical reasons.

damn right

Speaking of Adams, those names are what needs to come back. Adams, Norris, Smythe

Funny note...The Mighty Ducks movie has a scene of a North Stars - Whalers game...

@M Detlef k, boomer

Whalers and old Milwaukee Brewers

Thanks it means you enjoyed the video!

In the Slot Ya I definitely did!

I wonder if we are in the middle of the 2019-21 season

You can afford the NYR ridiculous ticket prices?

What 's too miss? the jerseys that's about it

Um before Crosby Pittsburgh did have this little known player named Mario Lemieux. I hear he was not bad.

Yeah but between Mario and Sid they couldn't give enough tickets away.

@@rikpontician8499 True. Before they got Syd I remember they were last in the league by about 20 pts.

Kind of an asshole. It always takes something to ignite a new love for hockey, who are you to judge?

yeah, it was so full and exciting that both teams left. If it wasn't for a "Save the Whalers" campaign, they would have left sooner due to poor attendance. And this occurred in cities where there were no other major professional teams to compete for entertainment dollars while having some of the lowest ticket prices in the league compared to average income. Teams benefit and gain fans by having star players and being successful, and most suffer in attendance when the team does poorly. That's how the business works.

Also, they played in the Richfield Coliseum. It was in the middle of farm country. Had they played within the city limits, like the Monsters do, they might have faired better.

Agreed! They would have great regional rivalries with Columbus, Buffalo, and of course Pittsburgh!

@@fightingirishinohio yeah that definitely didn't help being way out in Richfield. The Lumberjacks saw an attendance boost when they moved downtown too.

@@QuanahParker17 ehhh, I was actually thinking we could just move Columbus up here. The NHL wouldn't let another team be in Ohio otherwise cause they're so close to so many other teams.

@@geoffa87 They have 3 teams in New York, so I don't think 2 in Ohio would be a problem. I wouldn't move Columbus. The Jackets do well there as far as I know.

No one here wants them back. They're literally working to reduce the size of the arena to keep the AHL and college sports.

@@Bigbig1083 They've had like one of the strongest fan bases, at least everybody here in CT want's them back.

Hartford**

@Greg How about you read the comments again really quickly

@@coreydzn22 Nope. Josh is right. You can't even draw for an AHL team, what makes you think you can support an NHL team!? You had your chance. I remember going to EVERY game, or trying to much as I could at 17 years old, and barely finding 6k at a game. Fahhh Q, you're done.

Minnesota was the worst goon squad in pro hockey, starting with Bobby Goldthorpe. I saw Howe and sons play for the Whalers after I moved to Houston (too late to see them play for the Aeros). I also saw him skate a few times after he turned 60 for the IHL Detroit Vipers (purely a publicity stunt to get people to their games).

@@stevensherman4756 actually the Flyers were the worst, and their fans are still the worst 🤣

John Stark - The Flyers of the 1970s were bad boys indeed, but the Fighting Saints were the worst. Outside of a very old Davey Keon whose best years were over 15 years before, there was little hockey skill on that team. Even the WHA Birmingham Bulls were straight up hockey players by comparison and they were basically a goon squad. I did watch a lot of WHA hockey living here in Houston. The fans in Philly, regardless of sport are well known to be the worst, although Boston fans come close from my experience.

@@stevensherman4756 lol, I went a North Stars game in Philly, all I can say is 1: good thing I was in a box seat alone 2: good thing I didn't get pulled over on the drive home. I wasn't very well liked there rooting for the Stars and they tied the game 😂 Needless to say I wore every beer within throwing range when they got the tying score. I smelled like a brewery driving home. Just glad the ticket was free too. 50 mile drive home soaked and that wasn't fun.

M Detlef - I think you have it a little confused. Mark Howe had a great NHL career most notably with the Flyers - not like his father’s but then again, who has. It was MARTY who’s career was cut short by that injury. It was because of how Marty was hurt that the goal mounts now break away. When Gordie joined the WHA in Houston in the early 1970s, both Mark and Marty were going to Sharpstown High School here in town.

If the NHL was smart, (they're not. They're North America's most inept of the 4 major sports leagues for a reason) they would give Atlanta with it's fast growing population, diversity, and abundance of corporate headquarters a team again. NHL at least was VERY reluctant to leave Atlanta and only did begrudgingly when they couldn't find an owner in Atlanta. The NY metro has 3 teams..... They don't need that many. Islanders or Devils should move to Atlanta. Arizona should also keep their team because they are also fast growing, diverse market. Does LA metro need 2 teams? No. Ducks should also move to Houston.

What about the Vancouver Millionaires?

They were never part of the NHL. They were in the PCHA when they won the cup in 1917.

@@anthonyamundson4102 That's right, I forgot about that! Thanks for the reminder.

As a NY Mets fan, I like to say that the Mets won the Stanley Cup in 1917.

Adwhat about the Portland rosebuds?

Met many Whalers, John Anderson gave me a hockey stick and 3 of them gave me their autographs on checks...

(Looks at their attendance history and current TV market size). Not happening you fool .They hardly had any support when they existed. Bruins and Rangers fans outnumbered them in Hartford when they played Hartford. TV market is too small. Merchandise was from hockey fans in general not necessarily from people in Hartford. US Northeast is too crowded anyway

that shows atlanta isnt too hot with a nhl franchise

@@retroguy1976 do some research. The owners of both Atlanta teams had no idea how to run a professional team. The thrashers had good attendance numbers throughout their time before getting sold to a corporate office of brands. I stand firm that if they had a single owner with deep pockets Atlanta would still have a team and attendence would be great.

Thrashers were so fucking ass!

@@limjahey1559 goals* not points

Atlanta is a horrible sports town and an even worse hockey town. You won't see another NHL team there, ever

amazing...One of the reasons why the new Owner took the team to Raleigh was lack of fan support. 11k or 12k per game just didn't cut it. The "Mall" as it was referred to affectionately( or not) is an older outdated arena with an inadequate seating capacity. To attract a team back to Hartford would require a new arena and a significant fee to the Bruins for territorial infringement.

There is no reason it shouldn't given how large Atlanta is and the reasons for the relocations in the past.

Don't forget Dale Hawerchuk on the Jets.

im so sick of hearing this. They never left! They're the Hurricanes. Also you want whalers? They may be a womens team, but the Connecticut Whale of the PHF are basically a modern Whalers.

the Carolina Hurricanes owner owns the rights to the Hartford Whalers all logo and copyrights are theirs. The price would be huge if a ownership group in Hartford wants the name back. Plus the Bruins franchise would require a payment as well, due to the close proximity of the Boston to Hartford.

Yes. Great unis kc scouts. I think they had one star in Barry Beck. Defenseman. I may be wrong. Anyone know?

Plus that would be another Canadian team

Tell all your Hamiltonian friends to stop supporting the Leafs then. It's the Leafs who prevented Hamilton from getting a team again.

@@jimquicksilver442 no, it's not the leafs fault. thereis only one reason... the dumbass in charge... Bettman doesn't want another Canadian team..

I"d rather see the Leafs move to Hamilton, then maybe Toronto would get a real team.

You are aware it's the Not Hamilton League, right?

Maple Leafs won 13 Stanley Cups so they weren't always..

Hes got more then you..