Everything You Need To Know About Shimano Groupsets

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As the world’s largest manufacturer of bicycle components, we regularly refer to all of Shimano’s different groupset tiers on the channel, but not everyone may know which is which. To help explain, Ollie takes you through all six Shimano road groupsets, from Dura-Ace to Claris, giving you the lowdown on their main features and differences.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:51 What is a groupset?
01:59 Dura-Ace
04:07 Ultegra
04:48 105
09:28 Tiagra
11:40 Sora
16:40 Claris
17:44 Summary
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 597

@gcntech Рік тому

What groupset do you have on your bike?

@philipcooper8297 Рік тому

I've got the beginner's choice, Shimano Sora r3000. On my next bike I want mechanical 105.

@biggertree7063 Рік тому

My gravel bike came out of the box with a last gen tiagra and 11-36. Shimano really is conservative with their cassette recommendations.

@livibam Рік тому

DA D12 on 3 of my builds, apart from the turbo that has some dodgy thing I’ve never heard of from a website in China.

@TryboBike Рік тому

Ultegra, Microshift, KMC, XT, chinese cassette and Capreo.

@gerardotelese5337 Рік тому

Can't afford any of the Di2...not even the Groupset Of The People Di2

@paulmorrison30 Рік тому

Shimano Tiagra, the new group set of the people ✊🏾

@ShannonSouthAfrica Рік тому

Viva Tiagra viva.

@khalilsart8189 Рік тому

On my country its Sora lol

@matthewvelo Рік тому

Agree, except for the series that was on my last bike which wasn't compatible with any other Shimano gear. Still pretty damned good.

@owensnicholas Рік тому

Came here to say exactly this. :)

@VladGoro25 Рік тому

Have full tiagra flatbar road bike. Doesn't want anything else. Best bike i've ever had

@RobinT346 Рік тому

I was in a lift the other day, on my mobility scooter, with a guy and his bike. noticed he had a 105 groupset on his Canyon bike. "groupset of the people!" I said quietly and received a pleased nod in return. our respective partners had looks of "WTF was that all about?" on their faces.

@junaid42465 Рік тому

😂😂😂

@daniely5260 Рік тому

Cringe

@dan_lazaro Рік тому

@@daniely5260 hey man don't call yourself out like that, makes us feel sorry for you

@JamesSmith-qs4hx Рік тому

@@daniely5260 Comment of the people 👍

@simonpowell2559 Рік тому

Cool

@im-on-youtube Рік тому

"Share it with your friends ... if you've got any" - unnecessary personal attack at the end there 😂

@andersweinemo Рік тому

Well, if you watching a whole video about groupsets - the last bit is relevant

@gcntech Рік тому

🤣

@MrChippinator Рік тому

Using a combination of 105 R7000, front and rear mech + shifters, and Ultegra 6700 for the crank and rim brakes. Honestly, I am so happy with 105 that any future bike I buy will likely be 105 equipped.

@letheal Рік тому

I'm using a 6700 rd and casette with 5700 shifters and a 7000 crank. Mix all the things :)

@AleksiJoensuu Рік тому

My bike is 7-8 years old and uses a 2x8-speed Sora derailleurs and Claris levers. They still work just fine, shift accurately, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. The only thing I could want for is hydraulic brakes, but an upgrade to Avid BB-7's seems to work well. Entry level stuff can serve for a long while.

@TheCarsandmore 3 місяці тому

I have Sora on a 20 year old bike (my current indoor bike). Shifting still works like a dream, very well built. My Ultra on my road bike is better.

@johnossendorf9979 Рік тому

Time to buy up all the mechanical 105 you can get your hands on !

@guillermokuster414 Рік тому

Your videos are always so informative and on point. Thank you!

@nickpatten5263 Рік тому

One of the best and most interesting videos I have seen recently. Very informative. Thank you.

@andromedasmascot Рік тому

I’ve been commuting on my genisis crox de fer with a sora group set and it has taken me over 2000 miles quite comfortably well worth the money in my mind. Another great video as always.

@Relevant_Irrelevance Рік тому

"If your budget stretches to 105, I say go for it." And that's why I have an aluminum frame with a carbon fork but 105 as my groupset :)

@brysonszy6306 Рік тому

Nothing wrong with that, that'd the ideal setup for any non-racer enthusiast in my opinion. I own an aluminium frame with a carbon fork, built up with a 105 groupset too. :)

@Relevant_Irrelevance Рік тому

@@brysonszy6306 Oh absolutely.

@Aba-Gobyee Рік тому

I'm new bee .Is 105 good for daily 26 mile cycling?

@Relevant_Irrelevance Рік тому

@@Aba-Gobyee Honestly, even Sora is pretty good for that. Watch Connor's latest video appearance on the GCN main channel.

@simonm1447 Рік тому

@@Aba-Gobyee if you want to keep maintenance costs low it's an advantage to use wearables from lower group sets. Cassettes and chains are wearables, which are cheaper from lower groups.

@GospelSami 9 місяців тому

I ride a Colnago C40 Rabobank bike from 1997 with a Dura Ace 9speed group set (it was Matthew Haymans training bike). I was an elite rider in late 1990ties / early 2000s without (professional) contract, competed in 80 to 200 km contests. It might look oldfashioned with todays standards, but i can tell you it is still a high end bike. Now i am an old fart compared to the young guys at 53 years of age, but on my good days i still give them a hard time to keep up. Even at 25 years of old biking tech, i can tell you that the Dura Ace group set is the best quality available!

@You-Tuber2024 9 місяців тому

I went from 105 R7000 to a Dura Ace 9200 crankset and I did 20meters and thought “oh my, what a difference”. Any group set you have, if maintained properly will work flawlessly. It’s only when you go from to the other that you actually realise why there’s so much hype around different grades

@dmitry.gashko 7 місяців тому

And also when you go up you just cannot realize the whole difference. You did, when after some time you go back for a moment

@senfnacken Рік тому

Why did you only show the old Claris components? The newer ones (especially the chainset and STIs) look basically exactly like the Sora components.

@ministryoftruth8588 Рік тому

GCN bike-snobbery's your answer.

@gcntech Рік тому

We didn't have any new Claris at GCN Megabase

@belowthehill Рік тому

Upgraded to a new bike with Sora and greatly improved my triathlon race times. Then got a Wahoo Kickr and mounted that bike on the smart trainer with a SRAM cassette, and got a new road bike with 105. The 105 definitely shifts better, but training on the Sora on Rouvy rocks!

@charlesjoshi5154 8 місяців тому

He makes everything so clear, I love his videos

@CycleNLincs Рік тому

Love my Compact Tiagra 4600 series with a 12 - 28 cassette. Bought second hand and still performing!

@fisharefriends598 Рік тому

Electronic 105 is so expensive…. No longer groupset of the people I really hope the cheaper group sets never go electronic… fixing that on the road will be a pain

@Goriaas Рік тому

Yeah you have to go one down to Tiagra now. Screw this forced electronic shifting business. "I really hope the cheaper group sets never go electronic" No worries there, cheaper and already almost as good Chinese groupset will take over then , and they kind of already are, look at sensah etc.

@DanTuber Рік тому

One day it will be all electronic. People need to accept that technology is always changing.

@andrei-desu5361 Рік тому

@@Goriaas I'm going to have to disagree with sensah being better than the entry level groupsets of shimano. Used to have sensah team pro 11speed, sold it and bought sora. Shifting is better, more comfortable and easier to find.

@Goriaas Рік тому

@@andrei-desu5361 Thenlearn to read buddy. I said almost as good as shimano, I agree they aren't quite there yet I'd rather have tiagra 10 speed than some Chinese 12 speed. For now. They will most likely catch up

@brysonszy6306 Рік тому

@@andrei-desu5361 Time to try out Ltwoo RX 12speed. At the shop I work at, we have both Ltwoo and Sensah setups, and I feel that Ltwoo feels and shifts a lot better than Sensah.

@Stefano_Rodriguez Рік тому

I just started cycling two months ago and bought my first road bike. Specialized Allez E5 with Claris.I'm enjoying it and already collected 1000km on my bike!

@TheFloridaBikeVlogger Рік тому

sheldon?!

@glenngardin3561 Рік тому

Thanks for not bashing the lower lever group sets! Hoping my next bike has 105 or higher, but my current Sora works well.

@julianamccaffree7925 Рік тому

Great video! Very well explained. I would love a video like that but with SRAM groupsets.

@PhD63 9 місяців тому

Brilliantly well explained. Thank you.

@dairesweeney419 Рік тому

I use claris on my city slash going to the shop bike, works great and would highly recommend to anyone who is looking at a bike just to get around and wants to save a couple of quid.

@a1white Рік тому

Replacement cassettes are a fraction of the price too!

@AFreezer Рік тому

Using an old 9-speed Sora shifter (ones with the cable coming out the sides) and Claris derailleurs. Had a couple of crashes and Rear derailleur getting stuck on the wheel moments, but it still works nicely after some servicing. These entry level stuff is pretty bulletproof.

@johnstrac Рік тому

Can't wait for the follow up Campagnolo video !

@MrLoopynutter Рік тому

Good video but you showed the older generation of Claris, the newer version comes with a hollowtech crankset and some other "trickle down" tech from Sora

@danarditi Рік тому

finally an excellent comparative of the SHIMANO group sets line, it could be very useful to know if is IT possible to mix components from different kinds and which upgrade you recommend when you are in a tight budget

@robertcrvc 8 місяців тому

What an amazing video! I finally understood all the questions I’ve had about group sets for the last 7 years 😂

@GregFliesVR 9 місяців тому

The video i was looking for. Thank you!

@alexandersnider734 Рік тому

Electronic shifting is like 3D TV's. Everyone thought we would want it, and started pushing them ad nauseam, but at the end of the day, it was always going to be too much added complexity for not enough return for the average customer to ever justify it becoming the norm in the industry.

@chris1275cc Рік тому

I'm not so sure about that, once the Chinese companies start dropping electronic groupsets with more comparability/flexibility (the first steps of which have already been taken with the WheelTop EDS OX) the prices will drop considerably and e-shifting will not so much trickle down as get pushed off a cliff.

@wilfdarr Рік тому

@@chris1275cc I'll ride Chinese frames all day long but it'll be a cold day in hell I ride Chinese electronics! They're QC just isn't there and I'd bet most cyclists feel the same: I don't think that'll be what drives the price down! What will drive the price down is the lack of demand. BTW oh shit it's 3:30 and I wanted to get a ride in before the sun goes down...I wonder if my batteries are good... oh wait, I have mechanical 105s and don't need to think about that! See ya!

@chris1275cc Рік тому

@@wilfdarr Yeah and I bet you once said exactly the same shit about those Chinese frames, right up to the point you where happy to ride one. But you don't have to ride them, but many people will that's the point. I don't know where people get the idea there is a lack of demand for e-shifting or why you think the QC of Chinese frames (known to be hit and miss) is any better than for their electronics.

@wilfdarr Рік тому

@@chris1275cc I wouldn't ride Chinese carbon fiber either. The availability of Chinese carbon wheels and frames hasn't dropped the price of real carbon wheels and frames one cent, because everyone knows the score.

@chris1275cc Рік тому

Who mentioned carbon? Not me, and not you "I'll ride Chinese frames all day long" So again what makes you think that the QC on ANY Chinese frame is better than the QC of their electronics? Where do you think most of the worlds electronics are made Japan the US? LOL And yes the price of "real" LOL carbon has dropped dramatically since China started producing it, Carbon frames have gone from being the most expensive part of the bike to being cheaper than a mid tier group-set in less than 10 years. I keep hearing how Chinese cycling stuff including carbon is inferior YET Its Bianchi and Colnargo steerers that are snapping, Scott forks that are breaking, Shimnao Cranks exploding, and how many recalls have Trek and Specialized done at this point?. Where are all the Horror stories from the brands that get their stuff made in China? , I see a lot of Japanese , "American" and "Italian" brands pumping out inferior crap and making lots of excuses.

@johnthackray2820 Рік тому

I have recently upgraded by Boardman Team Carbon groupset with the 105 R7000 11 speed with rim brakes. I also swapped out the BB30 crank set and installed a Praxis BB convertor to the Shimano Hollowtech II system, so the new 105 crankset runs in the BB. I am super impressed by the shiting quality, silky smooth, so reliable. My only negaative point is the brake pads. I dont find them particiularly great, especially in the wet! Apart from that, I an extremely happy with 105.

@darrylkelley3553 Рік тому

Great summary, thank you!

@grachtschrap Рік тому

I ride with mechanical Ultegra from a few years back. For a experienced amateur like me it is still sooo good man.

@speedbird8987 Рік тому

Ultegra gets my vote too!

@gerardotelese5337 Рік тому

"1500-2000 for a bike outfitted with mech 105...and you can expect to pay half the price of a bike with Dura Ace for a bike with 105 di2" that's a pretty convoluted way to say the price of 105 di2 without saying it outloud xD. 105 di2 groupset costs about 1750£ and bike with it 4-6000£. 105 THE GROUPSET OF THE PEOPLE...what people exactly have 4-6000£ for their first sport bike?....hope they will keep selling the mech 105 at a reasonable price, because yes 105 di2 has arrived but at that price it's still not here for the beginner and amateur cyclist.

@JamesSmith-qs4hx Рік тому

I'm sure there are plenty of millennials out there who enjoy having their wallets emptied...

@invisiblescout6335 Рік тому

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx ?

@JamesSmith-qs4hx Рік тому

@@invisiblescout6335 Well you know, these millennial types with blue and yellow flags in their twitter bios.... The 3 dart finishers. They will buy it because they have no common sense.

@invisiblescout6335 Рік тому

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx aight bro

@grndkntrl Рік тому

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx OK boomer.

@AtomBom8 Рік тому

Claris is great. I run it on my commuter and tourer (11-36!). The latest shifters don't have the sticky out cables anymore so they won't rattle against the GoPro.

@asim9379 Рік тому

Claris r2000 is great. No issue at all and the mech disc brakes give me no problems either unlike some hydro brakes I've had on another bike.

@whomadethatsaltysoup Рік тому

Just been gifted a Cannondale Cann s2 rd. It comes with disc brakes and a 105 Groupset. Don't know how old it is, and have not, as yet, checked if it is 11 or 12 speed on the cassette. I am very grateful to you for this excellent tutorial on the Shimano range.

@glyon4996 Рік тому

Another great video, thanks! Ollie, have you thought about doing a road test between mechanical vs Di2? Yes the feel will be different but what about the power, speed, timing?

@nvrvnjv6362 9 місяців тому

Just got my first barely used road bike with Claris 2x8 (50-34/11-25) for less than $400 so I'm really really happy with it. Looking forward to jump to a brand new one next year.

@xMrsmileyfacex Рік тому

Super old school with Shimano Light Action SiS. Still works flawlessly.

@ronarmitage2377 Рік тому

I rebuilt my 2010 Cannondale Quick 3 with the Shimano Sora R3000 9-Speed 34/50t 170mm Crankset with Shimano Sora R3000 9-Speed Flat Bar Shifters. I did use the SHIMANO Cassette Sprocket, CS-HG400-9, 9-Speed, 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34 to give me a little range on the hills. I use the bike to ride around town and a little trail riding. I have a Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 for my road rides which I love and tried to gear the Quick 3 as close as possible.

@cherriagana Рік тому

With this shortage the only thing that was available to buy for me for 1200€ in my framesize was a gravelbike with Claris. Still does the job and is my commute bike doing 2K a month with it :D

@gcntech Рік тому

Getting great use out of it!

@bx_cyclingchef Рік тому

My ulterga I noticed recently while doing maintenance found two broken teeth in the cassette. Checked out why. The metal used sucks. Went up to the next Dura Ace and sure enough it has stronger metal just like Ollie talks about. Changing now from ultegra to dura ace. Thanks for the video Ollie. From the Bronx, NY you saved this cyclist from rookie mistakes.

@Sir-Prizse Рік тому

I think the video was made to make the unpopular new 105 Di2 R7150 groupset a bit more appealing, but funnily enough the old 11-speed 105 R7020 disc groupset weighs only 2478 g and is thus only 40 g heavier than the brand new Dura-Ace Di2 R9250.

@80robs92 Рік тому

Except that R9250 is a 12 speed group and R7020 is an 11 speed group. The 12th big sprocket adds weight (30 or 34).

@Sir-Prizse Рік тому

@@80robs92 That's absolutely right, but that the last gen 105 is almost as heavy as the current Dura-Ace is a bit sad, isn't it? The old 11-speed Dura-Ace weighed 2,016g. So you "pay" half a kilo for electronic shifting and the 12th sprocket.

@80robs92 Рік тому

@@Sir-Prizse Well with the previous 11 Speed generation, Dura Ace DI2 was slightly lighter than the mechanical shifting Dura Ace. The 12th Sprocket is the difference, the cassettes are heavier. Apart from the cassettes, the whole groupset (Ultegra and Dura Ace) are lighter than their predecessor. But the point is except for Campagnolo neither SRAM nor Shimano offer a 12 Speed mechanical Groupset. And the future will be electronic shifting. It will tripple down to Tiara and Sora. I bought my first Ultegra Di2 R8000 for 1000€. The official retail price of Shimano was 2400€. I think we all should come down an wait what the price will be when all the madness about disrupted delivery chains etc. is gone. i'm pretty sure one can get the groupset or an "upgrade" set for a good, acceptable price.

@Sir-Prizse Рік тому

@@80robs92 I'm open to everything new and because I work for an online bike part shop I'm right at the source.

@80robs92 Рік тому

@@gs78798 depends on what sprocket you are going to add. For the Ultegra cassette it is 50g.

@h3n488 Рік тому

Why no mention of Tourney? It has road bike shifters and is suitable for entry level road bikes. Would be interesting to hear about that too.

@mechanicaldavid4827 6 місяців тому

"Suitable" for what? Throwing your bike in a canal?

@calvinminer4365 9 місяців тому

I'm about to upgrade my 11 year old Specialized Crux from Sora to 105s, so this video was fantastically valuable.

@cb6866 Рік тому

Thanks Doc...it's a lot to learn ! It really depends on the salesperson when you're a noob.

@crapilanofridge7745 Рік тому

Ultegra 11 speed mechanical with discs. So good I never really have to think about it. Oddly though, I'm not sure the shifting on the cassette is any better than my old campy 9 speed chorus. I am ignoring the extra cogs, better chainset shifting and brakes from another planet on the ultegra :)

@almin9751 Рік тому

R7000 105 rocking here 😃✌🏻... Not a pro, not into racing, but cycling overall enthusiast that was my approach when deciding to purchase my Tarmac If I eventually get interested into a now and then race or event and only when i wear out my 105 i would jump to Ultegra and I guess that would be my top... Great content as always you Gcn have been my tutors along the way ✌🏻

@yonglingng5640 Рік тому

One kind of rider the community needs. 👍👍 I plan to rock 105 R7000 on my current bike too when it's time to spec it for performance riding.

@lesley9888 Рік тому

Di2 would be a dream but my Shimano Sora is doing a great job i love it

@BrianJohnson-bq9tr 8 місяців тому

I own a gravel/cross bike now and I'm currently looking for a second wheelset for this very purpose. Cheers for the video.

@bogilvie 10 місяців тому

I got into cycling 3 years ago, bought a extremely lightly used 2013 specialized roubaix expert off Kijiji ,never knew the difference between sets and pleased to learn the Ultegra on my bike was the best from Shimano at the time.

@davehollingworth5537 Рік тому

Wondering if anything trickled down? 😂 I started with Tourney - 7 speed joy - and only recently upgraded to 105 (but not Di2). Loving it!

@jonathanrobinson2628 Рік тому

Excellent and informative video :) Just a random point to note - the larger shifters on hydraulic Tiagra are great for me with my larger hands (I'm 6ft 8") and are more suited to my mitts than my other bike with Ultegra (with rim brakes).

@craigfullbrook7219 Рік тому

@Jonathan Robinson - I too grimaced at the comment around the Tiagra shifters not being comfortable! I’m not tall or have big hands for that matter but I find the shifters very comfortable, certainly helps going down fast/technical descents or climbing as you tend to grip the bars more firmly, you can distribute the grip putting less tension on your fingers and thumbs! Not to mention in cold weather when your fingers go numb, having slim slinky little shifters doesn’t help! I also find the (new) ST-4720 have similar feel the GRX shifters, nice vulcanised grippy hoods that soak up a lot more road buzz than the higher end shifters. Tiagra is a solid groupset and I have no issues keeping up with my fellow riders in the local club whom are all running 105 upwards 😎👌🏻

@gcntech Рік тому

Thanks Jonathan!

@theknights1512 Рік тому

Great vid - well explained. Would you do equivalent ones for Campag and SRAM? - even a cross comparison at a given price point..

@gekkofrog92 17 днів тому

Started on a Claud Butler Elite R2 with Shimano Tourney. Wasn’t the slickest but robust. Then onto a Specialized Allez Sport with Sora and what a difference. Currently waiting on my Tifosi with Tiagra with Hydraulic discs. Looking forward to it.

@a1white Рік тому

Good point on locking it up in a public place. 10 years ago, I locked up my new pride and joy, a Tiagra equipped road bike, in central London. I arrived back a couple of hours later to find my rear derailleur and handlebars missing. This was only an older Tiagra too, with the the external routing on the shifters. It was new and shiny though. Thankfully the insurance fixed it and I still ride that bike now 🙂

@gcntech Рік тому

Ah that's terrible Alex. Unfortunately we always have to be extra careful!

@bionicgeff Рік тому

Claris is perfectly fine, it was the dura ace of yesteryears

@davecasey4341 Рік тому

I remember with fondness, my Trek Pilot that had Ultegra components, including a 3-ring crank up front. Those were the days.

@AlySayuki Рік тому

Thanks for going over the Shimano lineup! I had a Bridgestone RB-1 back in the 1990’s with the old 105 group set then 🚵‍♀️!! Looking forward for a road bike for me so will go with Sora because my Trek mountain bike has the same number of gears for my Wahoo turbo so I don’t have to swap cassettes 😅!!

@WanganRacer5 Рік тому

I love riding Shimano Sora, it's durable nice looking and just the same Sora sounds so cool to me

@qs7391 11 місяців тому

For real , ive jumped from claris to the 8020 ultegra, the differences between them really shocked me😢

@chrisridesbicycles Рік тому

You have shortly touched on the topic but could you make a video about the cross-compatibility of the components. Especially with the 12-speed but not HG+ 105 I have lost track a bit. You could also give tips for relatively inexpensive upgrades like the 2-piece rim brake pads where you can change the rubber pad without having to readjust your brakes.

@gcntech Рік тому

Great suggestion Christian

@varrol5031 29 днів тому

I bought Shimano 10x 105s and a 9x Sora for my kids and my bikes which are 20" and 24" wheels and 1x8 / 1x7 - SS versions fit perfectly (standard MTB derailleurs just hit the ground apart of short versions of Altus and Tourney), and the gear change quality is perfect :P They can be matched with older XT/LX 8x shifters or brand new 8x Sora or Altus + many more.

@amritmaraj308 9 місяців тому

Shimano Tiagra shifters and Tiagra at the back with a 105 50/34 Crank. Mixed up but I love it.

@paulcuthbert Рік тому

I commute year round (15-25km depending on the route) and train outside all winter. I've used Tiagra for the past 5 or 6 years on my commuter/winter bike and been very happy with it. It works well, looks great (I love the Ice Grey!) and is relatively inexpensive to replace parts when they inevitably wear out. That said, I'm about to overhaul everything on my bike after 2 years on the same groupset! So not bad going at all. Tiagra is the one for me! (My summer bike is 105)

@csherminator 9 місяців тому

I've got a similar situation here in Poland. I commute around 40 km daily, and during summer my previous 105 was giving excellent results, but during winter the rain, snow, mud, salt and ice (for the falls) destroy the components quite quickly. Changing the cassette and chain so often here it's not worth, so I got a new bike and I actually downgraded my groupset to Tiagra (hydraulic brakes included) and the performance is excellent, with a cheaper replacement.

@colinmcdonald2499 Рік тому

13:00. Sora has an 11-34 cassette if you have the longer deralieur arm. My first generation gravel bike really benefits from 30x34 ratio.

@craigfullbrook7219 Рік тому

Thanks Ollie , that was a nice summary of the Shimano range, good to see a cycling content creator positively critiquing rather than slamming the entry level stuff. I will echo many others comments and say Tiagra is now primed to be the groupset of the people, additionally to clear up the limitations of the gear ratio’s you mentioned the maximum range on the cassette is 11-32….. that’s not entirely correct, many new bikes with Tiagra including Road, Gravel and Hybrids come with the Long (GS) derailleur ship with a 11-34 and as I discovered nipping up the B screw all the way outboard from the hanger/frame you can even run a 11-36 cassette pending your chain is long enough. I think what would have been more valuable here would have been to mention that Ultegra, Durace and (potentially the new 105) have cross compatible components (e.g mix and match cassettes, front mechs, callipers etc) whereas Tiagra has a limited relationship due to compatibility, even older 10speed flagship Groupset components won’t shift correctly with modern Tigara components. I think that’s Tiagras biggest flaw, it would be nice to have a 11/12 speed evolution, but all that said if you’ve never ridden 11/12 speed and only have access to this groupset you’ll still have all the gears you need, wont know what you’re missing.

@wilfdarr Рік тому

My guess is they'll bump the R7000 down to Tiagra and call it a day.

@cosinus_square Рік тому

105 Di2 is NOT the groupset of the people anymore, that would be Tiagra now which is 10 speed. 105 mechanical 11 speed in not even in the current lineup. Correct the info please.

@wilfdarr Рік тому

105 R7000 are still in production. If we keep buying it, they'll keep making it. More likely I expect though, they'll drop Tiagra and rebrand the 7000 as Tiagra.

@cosinus_square Рік тому

@@wilfdarr 105 will still be available for the next decade maybe but very unlikely to replace any other groupset in the lineup. Sora and Tourney have been in production for years, that's 1985/1995 technology, because of their price point. 105 Di2 is simply forcefully upselling an otherwise cheap technology.

@thejarrod123 Рік тому

So glad I got the 105 mechanical.

@pierrec8563 Рік тому

Now at £2,000 for the 105 Di2, people don’t understand what’s going on at Shimano. They will have to cut the price, especially in the coming recession.

@andrewpalmer Рік тому

I ride Ultegra in the summer months and Claris in the winter. Claris is absolutely fine. The only issue is the big jumps between gears. Sometimes you need to shift up to an easier gear but that jump is too easy. Come on Shimano you know you want to make Tiagra 12 speed mechanical!

@mayurbagul1276 Рік тому

Loved it but there should be video for those who like to ride hybrid bicycles for both city and gravel terrain.

@Peluche54 Рік тому

I daily use Claris R2000 8s up to Dura-Ace R9100 mechanical / rim brakes, through Sora R3000 9s and Ultegra R8000 11s, and really, when everything is set up correctly, you can't tell any functional differences. Claris is smoother and less prone to settings deviation (thx captain obvious), Dura-Ace and Ultegra are lighter and feels a bit more "high end" (obvious again). When looking at rim brakes, the dual pivot system from 105 to Dura Ace is the real upgrade from lower end groupsets. Compared to Campagnolo (I have 10s and 11s in various ranges from Veloce to Super Record), it's a bit more robust on rear shifting, where Campagnolo is more satisfying on front shifting. Campagnolo is also more convincing on rim brakes...when dual pivot Shimano calipers are out of the discussion

@kennethward9530 Рік тому

A good follow on video (especially in today's supply chain constrained world) would be a discussion of interchangeability between groupsets. For example, if one replaced a Tiagra derailleur with a 105, would it work well? Would a Tiagra crankset work with 105 11 speed set up? Asking as one who has traveled to big events having to make emergency purchases due to unauthorized modifications to my bike by the airline.

@paulcollingridge8387 Рік тому

Agree... More importantly for those of us who do the long miles, can I replace worn parts? My 2006 Tiagra, until last year, could only now accept Claris... And now I can't even get 8 speed triple rings in 50T,so I'm mixing 8 and 9 speed. I think the aim is to get us to throw old bikes away and buy new.... Its like buying an ipad and finding that Apple have deliberately bricked it

@princejemino1793 Рік тому

i hope you guys make a video about sram groupset for roadbike hahaha btw nice video ride safe guys!

@DavidLamon Рік тому

Chose 105 di2 with Dura Ace cassette + crankset and Ultegra rotors for my new TCR, far less expensive that the Ultegra di2 version and kind of the same weight

@jameslee-pevenhull5087 Рік тому

In the old days of Exage, hubs were available in the groupset, as well as seatpin, headset and pedals. In those days, the bike shop were willing to build you a pair of wheels with your chosen rims and spokes. Nowadays, wheels are Ultegra or DuraAce factory sets. IIRC, EX300 became Sora. EX400 became Tiagra EX500 became 105 EX600 became Ultegra DuraAce kept its name.

@simonm1447 Рік тому

I use EX 300 cranks from a scrap yard bike on my commuter bike. If I remember right they launched Exage in the early ninetees

@stokeszboy Рік тому

I've still got tiagra from about 2009 and it's as smooth as anything when changing, rim brakes way better than the 105 disc I had on another bike.

@newoldsteel Рік тому

Since I ride older steel bikes I’m used to 7-9 speed drivetrains and am not needing more but I like to throw in some sora components in there sometimes and you are right the quality is as equal as 90s dura ace. But I just hate that the crankset only comes in 50 34! Wish they had at least a 52 36 option or something else. Oh well that’s why I have to go new old stock sometimes lol

@trainiax Рік тому

Cranksets are one of the most forgiving groupset components when it comes to mixing and matching. I'm running a 10-speed Tiagra-level crank on a 9-speed Sora groupset without any issues, and many cranks are rated for more than one chain size (I've seen them grouped as 7-8 speed or 9-10-11 speed).

@newoldsteel Рік тому

@@trainiax What's funny is only just last night I found people on older forums saying the same thing. Thanks for that I'll be hunting for better gearing options XD

@PrzemyslawSliwinski Рік тому

6:30 - There are new (road-specific) Dura-Ace (RT-CL900) & Ultegra (RT-CL800) rotors available (in principle) now... ;)

@Rocky4719 Рік тому

my "expensive" bike (it's expensive to me, ok...) has claris. it's had one adjustment a week after purchase (just normal stretching), and it works pretty dang well

@brokenrecord3523 7 місяців тому

My 1st road bike, ~1987, Trek 2100, 105, down tube shifters, ruby red, loved that bike. Next bike, 30 years later Domane with Tiagra - way better!

@jeffreywilliams3646 Рік тому

Please do a video on gravel groupsets.

@tonycalvo1914 9 місяців тому

Not too happy about electronic group sets idea and price. Of course they are convenient but the idea of getting something electronic that might run out of battery or get interference from who knows where when u r topping a hill gives me "the chills". What good cross-brand option there is (if any) to have mechanical-disk (or rim) that could even allow to switch chain sets from 52 to 54 etc. Love GCN and your comments are greatly appreciated. Cheers from Panamá🇵🇦

@raymundcresencia1359 Рік тому

You forgot to mention that the claris to tiagra groupset has a flat bar shifters and brakes option too.

@docmccoy9813 Рік тому

Very interesting. What is a groupset. Everyday I learn something.

@MrFoxygang Рік тому

3 Bikes SRAM APEX (love it ) 105, AND ULTEGRA

@user-wq4zy3oi5d 7 місяців тому

Is it possible to pair a 105 crankset to a claris fd and rd?

@jeskli11 Рік тому

My older Planet X Pro Carbon road bike has a complete set of 105 5800 (except for the crankset ATM, I temporarily borrowed Ultgera R8000 from another bike), the newer do-it-all machine Cube Cross Race C:62 Pro has a combination of Ultegra R8000 and 105 R7000. If I were to build a new bike, I would probably combine the new 105 R7100 with Ultegra R8100 for the best performance at a slightly lower cost.

@andreemurray7039 Рік тому

Dura ace 9100 mercancal rim brake s very good works very well

@simonsepic Рік тому

I have sora have to do exactly what you described accept I spent hours thinking I was doing something wrong with my indexing.....

@tomm1413 Рік тому

I love me some 105's they're not too expensive and they are amazing! I have them on my mtb and my road bike And since my road bike is di2 ready, I will probably upgrade to di2 105's when they become more readily available!

@Koen030NL Рік тому

the new 105 is like 1800 euros/pounds... thats expensive to me.

@cuebj Рік тому

2007 Ultegra on Canondale System6 - end of life clearance in 2008. Dream bike especially with the supplier Vittoria Diamanté Pro tyres but could afford to replace. 2nd hand 2018 Roubaix Expert with Ultegra hydraulic manual was a mistake - 105 with better wheels would have been better way to go. If I could afford, I'd have manual 105 with recent spec wide rim wheels between £750 and £1k new. If pushed, I'd drop down from 105 to Tiagra to get better wheels and tyres. I am a hydraulic disk brake convert for no wear on rims and easier to have a commuter wheelset plus a joy, sportive wheelset

@neuspur Рік тому

What I always take into consideration: servicability and wear part costs (cassette, chain,....). From that perspective: DuraAce is the best option - if you have a sponsor. In terms of wear part costs: that is the main reason I dont ride SRAM.

@manoz6194 Рік тому

I like Shimano cassettes because of replaceable cogs, for instance on my mountain bike cassette I can replace the 5 smallest cogs without replacing the whole cassette

@sidthatsmoi Рік тому

I was waiting for Claris groupset to show up at the end but I guess its so bad they didnt even bother having one in studio! I am happy with my full claris groupset entry level £250 bike. Max speed achieved on flat is around 35kmph. Wondering if I should get a proper 105 groupset road bike to increase my performance 🤔

@quwers Рік тому

Just pedal more.

@dan_lazaro Рік тому

Just as an inspirational piece of information, I got to pro level on Claris 2400 on a Giant SCR bike. Since then, I got sponsored a bike with Sora in the form of the Cannondale Synapse and now I'm on 11 speed Sensah Empire, much more reliable that 5800 105 but I'd still go for R7000 if you can because despite being heavier than Sensah, the rear shifting is better because of the Shadow design. The front though not so much Shimano since the new design for the front mech suck.

@davehollingworth5537 Рік тому

Ha! Shimano Tourney anyone?! 7-speed!

@trainiax Рік тому

A speed of 35 km/h is pretty darn good! On the flat, a higher-tier groupset by itself won't create any miracles - a 50/16 cruising gear would feel the same whether Claris or 105. Probably the biggest advantage of a higher groupset would be closer gear spacing making it easier to find a comfortable cadence. Changing bikes (rather than just the groupset) can bring other improvements - although it seems that often the frame and geometry are exactly the same between entry-level and mid-tier bikes (only the components are different). If you haven't done so already, changing to faster tires would probably bring the best bang for your buck on the flat.

@stokeszboy Рік тому

A video on cross compatibility would be good, mix and match to a budget.

@chris1275cc Рік тому

With Shimano I think people would walk away more confused than they started, best to just go to Shimanos compatibility chart (although that doesn't tell the whole story either) 😅

@rachelo6673 Рік тому

My 2021 bike has the 8 speed Claris groupset and came with disk brakes. I was a little surprised to hear you say it was only available with rim brake. I haven’t seen any bikes with Claris groupset that had rim brakes

@yonglingng5640 Рік тому

The 2021 Specialized Allez E5 is one example, but it's specced with Tektro rim brakes.

@CMZPICTURES Рік тому

I have claris shifters driving tektro disk brake calipers. So I think they are saying there's no claris disk brake caliper... I feel like the tektro cable disks are ok for braking power but they seem to take a lot of fettling to keep them working quietly. Hydraulic disks on my MTB are basically zero maintenance in comparison.