Listening to Roger makes me realise that ordinary folks on the left and right have a lot in common. It is the elites that repress us all

The genius of this is that they have managed to convince us that we have done this and therefore it is our behaviour that needs to change, only our sacrifices that can avert disaster....while they soar above us in their private jets.

This is the message that needs to get out more. It's not about Climate Change it is about the System

Chris and Roger. Two of my all time heroes. Mad respect! ❤❤❤

It's a subset of class struggle... don't be divided.

I dearly love both these individuals: do I detect a glint of optimism in Chris' ordinarily stoic face as he hears what are clearly pragmatic ways forward from another somewhat awkward yet wonderful gentleman? 🙂

Humanity is so tribal divided by language Addicted to technology Religion of the rich and so many issues in between its hopeless Be lucky to survive until the next ice age

So, where did this 97% figure come from? From a study by a professor in Australia named John Cook at the University of Queensland, And what this study purported to do was review the abstracts of 11,000 climate science articles. Abstracts? Well ...No one's going to read 11,000 climate articles. Even a whole team of graduate students is not going to read through 11,000 science articles. So they read the abstracts. The abstract is always that one paragraph summary at the head of any academic journal article. Here's the abstract to the Cook papers first sentence. "We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on anthropogenic global warming." 66%--two thirds of the papers express no opinion on human-caused global warming. 32.6% percent endorsed anthropogenic global warming. 0.7% percent rejected it entirely and 0.3% were uncertain. Okay. So that means a third of those papers had an opinion on human-caused global warming. So, the next sentence says this: "Among abstracts expressing a position on human-caused global warming, 97.1% endorse the consensus positions that humans are causing the warming." Somehow this has become 97% of all scientists, when it's 97% of a third of scientists. Or, you might put it this way. 66% of scientists publishing in the field have expressed no firm opinion on the matter. Or, Among all the scientists who agree with the consensus........are all the scientists who agree with the consensus. That would be an adequate way of saying it. Some of the articles turned out to be not really about climate science at all. One article that was billed as a science article was about U.S. media coverage of climate change issues. Strangely, in those 11,000 papers, there's not a single one from Richard Lindzen of M.I.T. He's the most prominent member of the climate science community, who has been publishing on the subject since 1961. None of his papers were included...he isnt saying what they want him to say... And yet, this phrase ...97% of scientists agree. Or believe in, right? And this banner splattered all over UKposts and Facebook? It's clear to me...that the climate establishment has become as intolerant as any department of gender studies on any college campus, and for much the same reason. Its BULLSHIT! While you dont have to share that sentiment do so understanding that... the only difference between YOU and ME??? Im the one who cared to look.

I'm 76 years old and I know that I will never experience the worst of this. Apparently many are thinking that climate devastation will not affect them. Billionaires have secured properties in New Zealand believing that they will remain safe there. But an aching planet will not forgive what neoliberal thinking and denial of reality has done.

It needs only that the judiciary are held to account and publicly exposed. 100000 people focusing their resources on this would achieve much.

So with the surveillance state (to include the pending Restrict Act and CBDCs), the militarized police and VERY political FBI, and virtually all civil disobedience labeled as terrorism and prosecuted accordingly - these guys are going to do what?

It would also be immensely helpful if the IPCC process wasn't entirely corrupt. e.g. My family and community needs energy to survive and thrive...we don't need 'Cola' to achieve same. There is no discernible climate crisis and almost no serious expert in the field believes so. However, there is definitely an environmental crisis and that is apparent to all. The system that has been built around us is inevitably corrupt and serves those that yield power. They have built a cage around us and we have all been willing participants in our own demise.

Again, i must apologize for missing this last Friday at noon, central standard tim for myself. Today is April 27, 2023. With the deepest appreciation and respect to hear from Chris Hedges and Roger Hallom for this discussion of great importance of what is happening in our world. A discussion of sound ideas and not that of scintillating ignorance. With the glaciers melting and waters raising, fires raging, heat and weather conditions, among doughts affecting all life on earth, we are at a standstill because of wars for profits. No life can do without water. For many years, I have always felt the last great fight will be over clean water globally. As we have learned, that lead is in not just Flint, Michigan but all over our country. May we all work together globally for new ideas. 🙏 ❤

We need a lot more conversation like this

It's only recently I've seen a couple of interviews with Roger Hallam and I've really been surprised and amazed at what an intelligent guy he is and seemingly a great strategist. I've found Listening to him inspirational and actually gives me some hope.

The corporation and its structure and legal protection are the very problem we are dealing with here.

Back in 1992 John Ralston Saul wrote "Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West", wherein he points out how the elites have betrayed the populations that support (or tolerate) them. The elites pretend to make decisions based on reason (Voltaire's ideal), but insterad act in a self-serving manner. It was a good analysis, but no one seemed to pick up the challenge to propose some kind of remedy. In fact, one could argue that the elites are even more entrenched than before? It also seems that they have changed, from an intellectual aristocracy, into a brutal materialist kleptocratic oligarchy. I also think that we should not beome fixated on "one thing" such as climate change (simultaneoulsy and hysterically rejecting plausible solutions, such as nuclear power), but we need to seriously plan the future of humanity. I think Bjorn Lomborg's analysis needs serious consideration.

The idea that it is the system model that is the problem has been discussed by the likes of Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco, Stafford Beer, Nate Hagen's and many more, the fact is that the out-systems change is essential, not in systems change. Which is clearly what Extinction Rebellion has finally come to.

Question ? Why are they so deafeningly silent on the real reasoning behind "extreme climate events" haarp geoengineering with ill intent!@#

I would just like to add in the mix of things to take care of, the military industrial complex because it might lead us to Armageddon before the climate does.

About time you had this man on. Everything he says…….!

UK is an incredibly oppressive state, there were so many political prisoners, Hallam was definitely one of them, Assange is another. XR, Insulate Britain and Just Stop Oil are amazing organisations with incredibly brave people who have suffered badly for their activism.

Thanks Chris and Roger for the informative exchange. I really like this idea from Roger Hallam: “We are going to set up our own citizens assembly as a permanent, parallel institution selected by sortition by randomly selecting citizens from the population. The demands of that assembly will become the program for a civil resistance organization.” This is a great way to challenge corrupt and often criminal governments. I think it's absolutely a great idea.

"There are huge non climate effects of carbon dioxide which are overwhelmingly favorable which are not taken into account. To me that's the main issue that the earth is actually growing greener. This has been actually measured from satellites the whole earth is growing greener as a result of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's increasing agricultural yields, it's increasing the forests, it's increasing all kinds of growth in the biological world and that's more important and more certain than the effects on climate." ~Freeman Dyson, Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey.

On listening twice to this interview, I am more suspicious than before probably due to eroding benefit of doubt . Choosing "The Climate" (so scientism, not science) + words such as, emergency, crises, catastrophe, extinction, etc. are merely tools of his game.

"A lot of this green agenda is being pushed because someone somewhere is making a lot of money from it. Just like in COVID, when of course there was a great redistribution of wealth to the most richest people in the world and the biggest corporations. As well as power being taken away from the likes of you and I." ~Robert Oulds

They lay down and block traffic in London and infuriate people just trying to get to work or get home. In blocking traffic they also block ambulances and people have died because of it, so there's that.

Extremely important interview

Roger Hallam knows about the Aerosol Masking Effect and does not talk about it. The motto of ER was Tell the Truth. Well, Roger, tell the whole truth.

This talk is very important and I believe a lot of people will miss it because of the title. Optimizing the title for the youtube algorithm can reach more people. For example, Russel Brand's/Veritasium's team change the title often multiple times per video (which has massive effects on the videos reach). Veritasium himself has made a video on this titled "Clickbait is Unreasonably Effective". He has several other videos on the youtube algorithm that are also worth watching.

Thanks for this.

There is no theory, your protest time could have been spent on making the energy technology that is the solution, Roger. A mature response to actually care about humanity, regardless of your wealth, race or sex. Always a hedge against what bet, the force of nature? Real News.

Interesting how they don't seem to want to stop private jets ?

Mr. Hedges (I almost typed Hitchens, sad as ... as near miss faux paux go), I was not aware that Mr. Hallum's actions had been judged to be "appropriate responses". Miraculous result from the courts. Of no use to us, but for whatever reason, it put a smile on my face. Thx.

Yes 30 years down the line though I go back further in memory to Jimmy Carter educating us, wearing a coat in the White House subjecting himself to ridicule.

Roger Hallam believes in the extinction of humanity if thats what it takes to save the planet...he stated it in an interview many years ago....changing his mind as an old man doesnt make him any less a 'terrorist' in my eyes....what were his words? "If thats what it takes" I think they were🤨

I wish we would stop calling them "elites". Has a much too positive sheen on the word.

What has happened to the depreciation of durable consumer goods since Sputnik. How is planned obsolescence a factor in this. Notice that capitalist economists do not suggest mandatory accounting in the schools. How many automobiles have American consumers trashed since Sputnik? What happened to the depreciation? Why haven't academics noticed this?

I agree with everything he has said so far in the first 8 minutes, except that climate change is a problem... otherwise he is spot on about the psychopathic rich.

You are right about the risk but we wont save anything. They dont understand some things are precious on their own account so they will always think they can trade against their profits instead of not destroying them

❤ very well said Roger!!

fusion of the democratic critique, social critique, ecological critique ... should we add a technological critique ... for example, why do new technologies, on average, increase instead of decrease energy consumption

Roger is making common sense. Revolutionary change comes out of repression which people will fight to overturn.

The „human „ made climate change towards friendship and peace would allow humanity to … solve the problems created by divide and conquer, and the collective square stupidity resulting from it. The „human „ body is the best example, how collective intelligence of cooperating cells works out, if……a human soul has developed inside the body

Fantastic interview Chris. Saw Nevara one also excellent

It's never to early to preserve the planet, make right our wrongs, and uphold our responsibility of stewardship to sustaining life on this planet.

In other words, most environmentalists are discussing improving fire safety protocols while the building is burning down.

Sometimes watching nature programs, I'll see some hapless animal struggling in the jaws of a predator while its kin stand idly by. Why is it so often they will not come to the aid of their stricken companion. It would seem like such action would benefit the whole herd, yet nothing is done. We think we are different because of our ability to reason, but really we are the same. Its just the timescale that's different.

After all the talk, The problem is excess greed. Human cannibals.

An insightful, flawed, and tangled discussion. There is a problem but obtuse, circular and cluttered strategies are surely ineffective. A good thing persists, however, since some of what Hallam advocates will arrive on its own.

Generally, i have the same view and the base of thinking about the deceptive politication, capitalization, manipulation etc on climate issues and the any legislation efforts to realizing all of those system by the some NGOs, regime of govts, and capital elites, globally. But firstly, i have to mentione that in my opinion is that the carbon leap on climate crisis are mainly caused by (1). The massive industrialization and fabrications, especially on the production of mass individual comsumers products and services. (2). The point no.1 is very well supported by the hard and bloody efforts in spreading of the neoliberalism system that ignited in much more scale for the capital elits to wage more consumer products innovations and its economic investment. (3). Those two points surely requires a lot of energy and other natural resources usage that results in much higher and faster carbon leap. (4). Meanwhile, those massive industrialization dan fabrication era is under the hand of capital elites that drives and fund politician and regime of the govts to give those elites the elitic favourable regulations. So, my opinion concludes that we - whether as the proletar class, working class, excecutives, elites, or whatever you name it - have to amid and willing to sacrifice for waging the reducing of industrialization and fabrication, mainly and especialy on mass individual consumers products of industries while carry out the research -at least in the level of theorities-on finding another green and renewable energy sources to offer that doesn't never offered by the rulling elites of globalist. People have to know and understand what xcactly the fundamental main and core subjects that we're gonna hit and attact in that resistance movement. Bcoz we have to have some concrete alternative of solutions to offer to the people and to compete the elits monopolistic ideas and regulations, that is ours is more humane, logic and sane culturally..to gain the massive people approval to assembly that (you named it) "parallel civil resistance organization".

A powerful message well presented, has me onside.

Question: How much CO2 is in the atmosphere? Answer: .04% At .02% there will be mass plant die-off. Plants depend on C02, we depend on plants. 🤔🤨

Fascinating

Very useful interview for a conservative or libertarian. It begins to dawn on me what this younger generations movement is up to. And I gladly condone it.

I have completely lost respect of Chris Hedges for not challenging Roger on the outrageous climate scenarios. I used to think highly of Chris, now I question every assessment of a situations he has ever made.

Nouriel ruobini is a legit ecnomist and he called out these slow moving crisis too.

Damaging the people's property is NOT an appropriate response to annoyance with the government

Climate is not the issue at all. Everything is indeed completely f..... We need to coexist and help one another no matter where we are or come from because that will make everyone happy except the few insane psychotic maniacs that has everything.

not the same as being interviewed by Aaron from Novara, huh Roger?

You perpetuate hope, thank you

If the principal means to derisk Civilization is to choose techniques and associated technology to cover probable catastrophic failures in the system of managing and maintaining a stable society, then eliminating the menace created by those who exploit defensive actions we're obliged to make provision for is top of the lists of things to educate people about.

Sabotage is not merely 'civil disobidience'.

Excellent guest.

I like how he described a cycle of revolution that led us to where we are now and then says let's do it again.

What's the name of the opening track? It's pretty clean

The rich would rather face total annhiliation than cede one bit of their largesse.

I like that he mentioned sortition

Today, reputable scientists will discuss climate change and solutions for humanity at the International Online Forum. April 22, 2023 Global Crisis. There is a Way Out. Streaming on UKposts

As more of society continues to decline, recruiting will become easier for campaigns against the villain's ruling us.

Ultimately, we will solve this problem when each human being on the planet decides that they are willing to sacrifice their privileged and convenient lifestyle in order to save our biosphere from destruction.

RFK, Jr. is the only US candidate for President in 2024 who espouses the 3 critiques; Democratic, Social & Environmental. The US has to lead the collective West toward this paradigm.

We are all in the complaining and educating phase but if we are not implementing any solutions or any live-working models to show people there is an alternative to consumerist capitalism, it will do no good! The system isn't going to change and the free market runs on fossil fuels. Most people are not going to change because they are too comfortable with the system - sure they know that we are on a path to extinction but they are not going to do the necessary cutbacks and forgo their luxuries. And sure, they know they are wage slaves and being screwed but capitalism makes their enslavement bearable so they wont revolt en masse Here are some talking points I want to discuss: Food: fossil fuels are the only way we can feed 8 billion people with the current system we have in place. Even if we decentralized everything and say we did vertical farming in every city and village, you are going to need to use some fossils fuels for fertilizer and initial establishment. Billions of people are so conditioned to going to the grocery store, it is hard for them to conceive of going to a vertical farm to get their food. Transportation & Logistics: The System and billions of people are conditioned to accept market capitalism - one that depends on wasteful international trade and transportation to ship products around the world in order to satisfy market capitalism. How do we even begin to unwind that? Entrenched power has too much power and control to let that go! How do we un-brainwash billions of people out of market capitalism conditioning? People, with their Netflix and UKposts, are complacent and lazy to become their own producers if we were to decentralize everything and start producing locally again - they are so conditioned to being wage slaves they don't want that responsibility. Secondly, going all electric isn't the solution either. If you do the math, it takes as much energy to mine, refine and ship rare earth materials to build electric vehicles as it does to burn fossil fuels in combustion engines, so there is no real net carbon offset. Public transportation is a solution but that takes massive capital and is a public utility project - so that goes to local cities and states, whose vested interests are allied with the fossil fuel industry. How do we even force them to build public transportation? And then once again, you are fighting conditioning of people who see mass transit as for 'the poor." Social Conditioning to Market Economics How do you undo decades of market economic social conditioning? People are so fearful of losing what little they have even though capitalism can take it away in a heartbeat! How do you convince people that after 3, 4 or 5 decades of work, who might own a home and have a nice life, to cut back on their way of living because they feel they've earned it after so much time and effort? (rightfully so - and I am talking about the rank and file workers of the 99% class, not the 1%) I see Extinction Rebellion protests blocking transit and most people hate them for it because its an inconvenience for them - they are just trying to get to work so they can survive. How do you win over that person who does not understand the complexity of the situation they are in?

“Unfortunately the entire economy today thrives on the destruction of nature”, Achim Steiner, UN Development Programme, Davos 2019

Thanks!

Carbon monoxide is the bad one Carbon dioxide is the good one It's not that difficult to understand

What will crucially influence the effectiveness of civil disobedience etc is tolerance by the general public. So far it's - rather passively - onside; but should the disruption becomes more widespread, as it must to be effective, public support will wane. This is the moment the government will pounce, believing it now has popular support to do so. At that point, things could get really ugly, in terms of repressive response. On the other hand - no plausible alternative way forward is on offer.

Thank you TRNN

Goddamn I loved listening to these two men speak

Where are the interviews with these people? Are they, as has been reported, granddaughter of Getty is paying them to do these acts. Do these people have proof? What is their cred? Or are they passionate young people driven by fear?

Seams to be that democracy is a problem and is there for so long that created so much foolishness' with its own power only able to go the same direction .Democratic governments are not able due to the system do anything change truly beneficial to humanity .We need a Nobel kings guided by truly enlightened human beings to rule for the benefit of All. That should start in very local communities where everything is very obvious being supported by honesty and rely on respectful economy and work

my guess is rich people are busy renovating their bunkers for the inevitable resource wars and nuclear wars.

Profit above all else is the new religion. Everyone is aware of this. Some ignore. Some play along..all think they have no way to change it...i feel part of this. Crazy. Shameful..idiotic. cruel......add your own. ..why. why..why ....makes me cry.

Going about the wrong way. It's not right to target the working class. In the UK that's what they are doing

The arctic permafrost has been massively thawing. And that says all that needs to be said.

When XR and other numpties protest and get arrested, a good choice instead of prison would be a visit to their homes and all gas/electric turned off and any real cars taken away and destroyed.

Yes I do contribute even though I only have $875 a month.

Weird he didn’t bring up ionospheric heaters or carbon black dust, or any of the other tools they use to alter climate.

Amen,God Bless

The repercussions of bringing hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty is the source of the rapid increases in CO2 emmissions over the last 30 years. These two guys profess to care about people. Inhibiting the building of coal fired power in Africa (many projects have been cancelled in the last 3 years) is keeping those people in extreme poverty. The most verifiable effect of increasing CO2 on our planet is the drastic increase in plant growth. This is a good thing. Keeping people in poverty is evil.

The time for change is near .

"Eco activist group Extinction Rebellion have signalled a change in tack by pledging to minimus disruption to the general public in their future demonstrations. It comes after the group promised to not disrupt the London Marathon, and said it will work with organisers to ensure nobody else does so."

Are you benefiting financially by supporting the current science?

So happy to see this video! You are both Epic! Sign me Up!🍀

Carbon dioxide is plant food Water vapor is the most prevalent greenhouse gas 😮

Courage in the flesh.

It was deeply rooted within the Human 'Primal unevolved instincts .'That dominated the current out of control Sixth mass Earth extinction event ...

First question Hedges asks reveals a high level of ignorance on the reality of our situation. And climate is but one Earth boundary overshot by humans. Biodiversity loss being number two going by several sources.

EVERYONE must realize to make the transition WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH MINERAL MINING EVERYWHERE. It is going to take about 1000 times more mineral extraction than we currently mine.

Now I'm at 21 xr videos. I understand that you know how to protest. What's xr solution? Complaining without a solution is pointless. How do you get people to go back to 1800 living?