Favero Assioma DUO-Shi Power Meter: Shimano SPD-SL Road Pedal Compatible

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Shane Miller - GPLama

Shane Miller - GPLama

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After a number of leaks and product teasing by Favero themselves, today they officially launch their Favero Assioma DUO-Shi power meter. Based on the much loved Assioma power meter, the SPD-SL compatibility has been something people have wanted for a very long time. How does it measure up? Well... about that... there's something you need to know before opening your wallet for these.....
Links:
Favero Official Website: bit.ly/3BluinY
Favero Assioma DUO (Amazon US): amzn.to/2TnK1wm
Favero Assioma UNO (Amazon US): amzn.to/2JW4khP
Technical Specifications:
Type: Pedal Based Power Meter (Shimano SPD-SL)
Wireless: ANT+ & Bluetooth.
Data: Power, Cadence, L/R balance %, TE, PS, IAV Power Phase, IAV Rider Position
Power: 0-3000W
Power Accuracy: ±1%
Auto Zero: Yes.
Cadence: 30-190RPM
Oval Ring Support: Yes.
Operating Temperature Range: -10°C / +60°C
Battery: Rechargeable Lithium Battery / Non replaceable.
Battery Life: At least 50hrs (proven accurate estimate after years of use...)
Shimano Road Pedal Body Compatibility: PD-R8000, PD-R7000, PD-6800, PD-R550 and
PD-R540.
Waterproof Rating: IP67
Pedal Q-Factor: 65mm
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:49 Technical Specifications
2:03 Duo-Shi Pedal Q-Factor
2:27 Pricing
2:43 Unboxing and Assembly
8:17 DUO-Shi Activation
8:57 Installation
9:32 Clip-In / Clip-Out SNAP
9:44 Pedal Cornering Clearance Test
10:34 Power Accuracy / Analysis
11:55 Q-Factor Discussion
15:30 Upgrade Kit?
16:07 My Take / Wrap-Up
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 415
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
@SonnyDarvishzadeh 2 роки тому
I got these pedals 2 months ago and I'm very happy with them. The stance width increase works in my favour as they reduce the pain in the outer feet. My right shoe no longer rubs on the crank and I can set the cleats outwards easily. I don't race, but my bike tilts 38 degrees (160mm cranks) which is beyond what I need. I have no worries to go with 650b as well!
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
@SonnyDarvishzadeh 2 роки тому
I actually moved from ultegra longer axles with 2mm washers to Shi. That'd be 52+4+2 = I was already at 58mm and wanted to go wider. Now washers removed and cleats no longer need to be positioned towards the inside of the shoe.
@danlyle4
@danlyle4 2 роки тому
As disappointing as this is, I greatly appreciate the fact that you've given us the truth Shane! I commented about this release on your live stream the other night and your response was, "Watch this space... But...but..." I was confused at the time but everything is clear now! Thanks again!
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Cheers Dan. A while back when I found out about these I was hyped. I love the Assioma DUO, my content content on them does well, people love the company. To find out these require a change to bike fit that a well respected bike fitter was surprised at... (two if you count Stuart Morton who's in the CyclingTips DUO-Shi article).... I knew these wound't be the 10/10 home run. Favero have stated on their website that based on feedback from beta testers was positive. Not this one! I tried.... :/
@CycoWarriorx
@CycoWarriorx 2 роки тому
@@gplama Thanks Shane… appreciate you pointing that out prior to for them…
@kiverrussell8369
@kiverrussell8369 2 роки тому
I knew my rampant impatience would pay off one day! Glad I went for the Favero Assioma Duo a few months ago now. Very enlightening stuff, thanks 👍
@thomaswallace3776
@thomaswallace3776 2 роки тому
I'm 6'7" and I've had to use pedal extenders since going clipless in 2010, so I'm one of the few that would probably benefit from the extra width. I've been using the DUO for a couple years now and installed the included spacers and everything has been good so far, I have no reason to go back to SPD-SL, though this would've been a good option at the time had it existed then, I did like my Ultegra pedals.
@dmbiscuit
@dmbiscuit 2 роки тому
I was looking forward to these, in the same boat as a lot of other comments, I won't be buying them due to the massive Q-factor. Hopefully they take the feedback and narrow them up in the future.
@bradallen8643
@bradallen8643 2 роки тому
Great info and Q factor warning Shane. I’ll stick to my Assioma Duo’s which have been fantastic
@tcrossau
@tcrossau 2 роки тому
Thanks for the heads up Lama! My duos will do just fine, no point needing knee pain.
@StevenMolina
@StevenMolina 2 роки тому
Great video! As I said in other comments, I can’t see benefits from one platform to another to consider SPD-SL a dealbreaker. Both just work the same. What actually is a dealbreaker is a system who doesn,t work as expected out of the box and force you to change your bike fit. Happy to keep using my Duos.
@ca2997
@ca2997 2 роки тому
Mate I love how you sprinkle technical nuggets into these vids like the spirit level app on the iPhone trick just simple awesome 👌✌️👍
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Cheers! It's more a case of "damn it, I don't have the right tools.... what can I rig up?" 🤣
@mdavies6840
@mdavies6840 2 роки тому
Very clever… 👏🏼
@ericrickert3045
@ericrickert3045 Рік тому
This was very informative. I was resisting swapping from Shimano to Look, and I already have 105 pedals. I will get these and slide them into my 105s. Thanks for this video!!
@aarondcmedia9585
@aarondcmedia9585 2 роки тому
Having ridden through flood waters in recent weeks, I can confirm IP67 for the Assioma duos. The battery life warning is fantastically reliable also, to the Garmin, and the battery life is great. Using them as MTB-converted pedals on the MTB for bike path recovery rides. Outstanding.
@Abdullah-ou7bp
@Abdullah-ou7bp 2 роки тому
Which modified mtb pedals you’re using
@cjohnson913
@cjohnson913 2 роки тому
how are you using these on the MTB?
@aarondcmedia9585
@aarondcmedia9585 2 роки тому
@@cjohnson913 see GPlama's video here: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/sZJyen-fgpeZz4E.html work a treat
@jimhansen5395
@jimhansen5395 2 роки тому
As someone who is wide-hipped afflicted, and rides Speedplay's with long'ish spindles, the QFactor doesn't concern me too much, but I'm probably in the minority here. I will wait until Wahoo releases the Speedplay PM pedals and see what those look like before I make a decision about potential changes. I've been on Speedplays for so long. I would dread having to change my shoes/cleats over.
@ryans6650
@ryans6650 2 роки тому
Same... I'm 188cm and have very wide hips. Low body fat, but big frame. Pedal extenders are a bit too wide for me, so this seems like a pleasant middle ground - somewhere near what a mountain bike would be.
@paulefanow5953
@paulefanow5953 2 роки тому
Extra Q factor is a deal breaker. Damm..... been waiting ages for SPD power pedals
@lechprotean
@lechprotean 2 роки тому
there's Garmin Rally ones... right? Looks like SPD body might be causing the power data irregularities
@adammillsindustries.
@adammillsindustries. 2 роки тому
You can convert them to SPD there’s a simple guide on UKposts.
@livingfastnow
@livingfastnow 2 роки тому
@@adammillsindustries. Не вводите в заблуждение! Конвертировать в SPD можно только Favero Assioma DUO! NOT Favero Assioma DUO-Shi!!!!!
@mantelles
@mantelles 6 місяців тому
Hi Shane, As always a well presented and thoughtful review. I have struggled with deciding on power meter pedals for many months now. I REALLY wanted to be able to use the DUO-Shi, and even purchased a set of pedal extenders which I fitted to my bike with Shimano Ultegra pedals, and rode a few Zwift sessions on the Wahoo KICKR to determine if the significantly extended Q-factor would present fit issues for me. I absolutely experienced knee discomfort after about 30 minutes pedaling during each Zwift session. Based on my experience the wider Q-factor is not something I could acclimate to. Although I'm certain for some riders the extended Q-factor would not be an issue, and perhaps even an improvement. For me, the LOOK pedal system in not something that I preferred, so I recently purchased the Garmin RS200 pedals. So far no problems with these. On another note, many commenters have stated that the Q-factor is non-issue because a mountain bike for example, has a much wider stance width to begin with. However, in my opinion these statements are not valid simply because the rider's position on a mountain bike is vastly different than on a road bike. Take care down there.
@evanchan7207
@evanchan7207 2 роки тому
thanks for your video, it's very informative... save me a lot of time to do the research
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
For people with severe limb deformation (for whatever reason) that require them to angle the cleats with extreme heel in, these could be a good choice. Hard to imagine the market is that big but nice to see they're catering to the niche markets
@ShadowzKiller
@ShadowzKiller 2 роки тому
Thank you for the insightful video. I have been deciding which power meter to get, but since this also has a q-factor issue, I will just go ahead and get a crank-based power meter as that has no effect on bike fit and yet cost-effective.
@shanelee007
@shanelee007 2 роки тому
Nice to see my bike fitter ken make it into the video. Great chap. I have the assioma duo and enjoy them. Although I do find it trickier clipping in than the Shimano I had before. That wider width looks a bit of a no no for your positioning, but I'm no expert!
@deanwaller1029
@deanwaller1029 2 роки тому
It's reassuring to see I'm not the only one who finds the Look Keo pedals a little harder to clip into. I switched from SPD-SL to Look Keo when my crank power meter broke and I got the Duos. 18 months later and I'm used to them but I would prefer SPD-SL... not enough to mess up my fit though!
@shanelee007
@shanelee007 2 роки тому
@@deanwaller1029 it must be the weight where they don't angle nicely when clipping back in compared to Shimano.
@deanwaller1029
@deanwaller1029 2 роки тому
@@shanelee007 someone else mentioned that the Duo's seem to spin a lot more as well, which I've certainly found to be the case.
@shanelee007
@shanelee007 2 роки тому
@@deanwaller1029 that's exactly what happens me!
@Nothank1997
@Nothank1997 2 роки тому
Just talked me OUT of these on my spd-sl cleats. Suppose I’ll wait for the revision! Thanks 🙏
@andyvickers1843
@andyvickers1843 2 роки тому
I Agee 100%, the 65mm Q factor is a show stopper for most people. The extra 26mm increase in Q width will totally shag your knee joints. Early Giant eroad bikes had this Q factor and was was give me knee pain within 25km of riding..
@TheRBDIGroup
@TheRBDIGroup 2 роки тому
Thanks for the report. I was about to pull the trigger and this will keep me from buying them straight away. I wanted to change back to my SPD SL pedals as I have had non stop squeaking from my Assioma duos. I have smear grease all over the bodies to have a quiet ride.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Have you tried dry lube or a wax on them?
@TheRBDIGroup
@TheRBDIGroup 2 роки тому
@@gplama have put dry lube on and it lasts 1/2 a ride. I was going to order bees wax and melt it all over the plate. But seriously a pain. I used my shimanos for years and never had a squeaky cleat. I’ve relaced with the Keo and Keo 0°. Assioma wants me to send a video to them to prove it’s squeaking.
@erinrand9168
@erinrand9168 2 роки тому
I was looking forward to these pedals but the Q Factor is a deal breaker...
@pauloh4571
@pauloh4571 2 роки тому
Great review. Thank you.
@tedjeanmahoney8547
@tedjeanmahoney8547 2 роки тому
GREAT INFO FOR THOSE OF US WHO RELY ON WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME IN GETTING IT RIGHT!!!! NOT FOR ME AT THIS TIME T Mo
@Mr4xl
@Mr4xl 2 роки тому
Just what I have been looking for. I as mentioned fit your profile, over 6ft, wide hips and generally larger than the average bear. I can't wait for the Ozzie release to update my shimano pedals. Finally I don't need to go to look cleats to get the favero pm
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
G'day wide bear! :) Ping BikeBug to see if they'll be stocking them soon. They usually have the best prices here in AU on the Favero meters.
@Mr4xl
@Mr4xl 2 роки тому
Cheers Shane. . . . . Keep up the informative vids. . . . 👍
@NathanLipkeEvilN8
@NathanLipkeEvilN8 2 роки тому
Can’t wait to see that lean test with the Wahoo Speedplays.
@Carftymk
@Carftymk 2 роки тому
i am happy for a bigger qfactor i think, and i much prefer SPD pedals
@brianbrackemyre5704
@brianbrackemyre5704 2 роки тому
Head scratcher re Q factor. It will be interesting to see if they sell. I have a wonky right knee and won't take the chance. Bummer, I was one of the people looking forward to the SPD-SL compatibility.
@1jzboy121
@1jzboy121 2 роки тому
I currently use the R8000 pedals with the 4mm wider axles. These power may be better for me. But I do see how this would be a problem for others. What they should have done and more companies need to do is give us axle length choices.
@sccxvelo
@sccxvelo 2 роки тому
Thanks for the review. Being a taller person that needs wider stance these could be good for me. Was there any other parts to install as internal body washers and or smaller parts? As my local bike shop does not carry the FA pedals brand and would have the change the spindle my self and want to lowering risk of something going wrong. Looking at these for zwift bike now. My cx race bike with CB candy the fitter said I need a longer spindle. So these could work on the zwift bike and maybe using as road pedals on an all road/gravel bike bike in the future. If they make a setup for MTB pedals good for CX as well. Odds going the lowest cost compatible shimano 540pedals I think and FA spindle to reduce overall cost.
@torevange2280
@torevange2280 Рік тому
Touching on an older video as I'm in the process of getting a new power meter, and am strongly considering the Duo-SHI. Was the bug fixed when you got the replacements? Would you consider the change in q-factor too much to handle through cleat adjustment? I'm 6'6", so rather assuming it will be okay for me, but I see a divergence in testing feedback - DC thinks it won't matter too much, while you do indeed focus on the q-factor as being a deal-breaker.
@jssaylor
@jssaylor 2 роки тому
6'2" MTBr turned roadie.. these might actually be perfect for me.
@ryans6650
@ryans6650 2 роки тому
>Legit me
@samuel8590
@samuel8590 2 роки тому
WTF!! I've been waiting on these for a long time!! Shame on Favero. Didn't they take BIKE FIT into consideration? As many miles as we log in, your hips and knees would be crying with the stance width of these spindle lengths. They will only suit a small percentage of Larger/Wider riders. I know for sure I can't run them. Anything wider than the 56 Shimano I currently ride sends my knees and hips into a tail spin. Just goes to show......the ol' bike industry forcing shit down the consumers throats. Tell them to go back to the drawing board, Lama. Unreal. Thanks for the AWESOME in debt video. Great job as always.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
I did my best to let them know this would be the number one issue with road riders who were waiting for this product. I’m an influencer with no influence sorry. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@samuel8590
@samuel8590 2 роки тому
@@gplama All good. Much appreciated. Sales will tank and let's hope they will know exactly why. They'll Remember....that Shane Miller dude was right! 😊
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
I’m just a rider. It’s the pro bike fitters they need to listen to… and they’re all raising concerns! 🤔
@B-Rad-K
@B-Rad-K 2 роки тому
Looks like my cleats might be closer to the center of my shoes now! Those that are not keen on the wider Q factor should measure their other bikes, you'll probably find your mountain bike already has a Q similar to what these will create on your road bike.
@gubber123456
@gubber123456 Рік тому
hi shane after swapping the pedal bodies around does the power reading stay in that +1 -1 bracket..the Q factor probably wouldnt bother me but would still like the power accuracy to be there. thanks
@SNS1212
@SNS1212 2 роки тому
I've been hanging on so long waiting for these... Guess I will have to get used to Look cleats now.
@bewster7
@bewster7 2 роки тому
You and me both. Gutted
@JK-wl5bx
@JK-wl5bx 2 роки тому
I went to look when I purchased the duos after years of spd , the looks are better imo
@K.D.B23
@K.D.B23 2 роки тому
Once you get used to the spin of the look pedal imo they give better power transfer and fit than the shimano pedal
@muddy250
@muddy250 2 роки тому
Got mine a month or so ago. No dramas at all moving to the new cleats. Actually nicer to walk around in too …
@dbpantani
@dbpantani 2 роки тому
Though DC Rainmaker explains the two conceptions of Q Factor 1. Distance from crank arm to pedal centre 2. Stance distance, which already varies between frames. So, he suggests don't over react because if you ride different bikes it's likely your stance will already vary by 10 to 20 mm between bikes.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The definition of Q-Factor vs stance width is neither here nor there, technically this is the Q-Factor of the pedal that changes the stance width of the rider. The end result being something that I don't like on my road bikes and that a number of bike fitters have raised concerns about. This can't be dismissed with the "mtb is wide" line, imo. My road bike(s) aren't mtb. I don't ride fat tyres on those, I don't ride wide bars on those, so there's no reason I should have to ride with an extra wide stance width (that also impacts cornering clearance). Ray falls into the 'taller rider' category and gave his experience. I fall into the 'not as tall and this sucks' category. Favero should have done better. This product puts the onus on the rider to accept a bike fit change just to use this product. Not ideal.
@kailingman1255
@kailingman1255 2 роки тому
Would love it if Assioma produxed a spindle for Look Kèo Blade Carbon pedals!
@ckk9315
@ckk9315 2 роки тому
As someone who has recently purchased these, I will have to agree w/ GPLama on this one. Unfortunately, these are headed back to Italy. Reading Ray’s (DCRainmaker) review and taking into acct my own physiology I thought the Q factor would be a non-issue. I MTB and I am slightly duck-footed. Even with moving the cleats out as far as possible, they do not feel right and I am getting knee and hip pain. I think with someone Ray’s height it’s probably a non-issue. But being 5’6″ its a bit too much.
@OTBTBDA
@OTBTBDA 2 роки тому
Out of curiosity how are you confirming the power output accuracy of pedal power meter? This seems impossible unless you are using a mechanical or electric motor to load and turn the pedals at a fix rate. Otherwise how would you know you putting a constant force on to the pedal at a fix rpm?
@rongurney48
@rongurney48 2 роки тому
Can't imagine what Favero was (not) thinking with this product. Should have designed it to have the same geometry as their popular Favero Assioma Duo. The market will be limited for these......
@MrLuigi-oi7gm
@MrLuigi-oi7gm 2 роки тому
There seems to be a relatively huge gap between the sensor and the pedal body. Why? Is that to accommodate the space needed to insert the wrench to install the pedals? I'm sure their engineers already addressed this. But I have to wonder why they just don't supply a thin wrench in order to allow for a smaller gap and provide a product with a more typical Q-factor.
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 2 роки тому
6 '2" rider, maybe I have narrow hips but 55mm feels like my limit as I will try to centre my feet more on those sometimes, so 65mm is a no go even before I think of my poor knees! shame, want a SPD-SL pedal power meter :(
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
Same here for me. Taller riders don't necessarily have wider hip joints. I haven't checked but I bet most don't from looking at what roadies use in general.
@DaveTheBikeRider
@DaveTheBikeRider 2 роки тому
Innocent (maybe ignorant question), but what advantage does SPD-SL have over the regular Assioma pedals and Look cleats? Is it just to be compatible with other bikes?
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
@@DaveTheBikeRider I don't know really. I've used both look and shimano and they feel the same to me. I think its just tradition.
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 2 роки тому
@@robertcowling4313 In my case it was about matching the groupset, I like 105 so SPD-SL it was. Current Gravel (A/T) bike has flats, as did the CX I used previously, looking at XC style SPD peddles in the future for that bike, but it breaks the standardiation principles that have served me well in the past. It comes down to what you decide to get, each has pro's and con's
@hptator
@hptator 2 роки тому
They will have to make their own SPD-SL pedal body... I appreciate you being honest and saying things as they are. Other people would have avoided the elephant in the room with a lot of BS... thanks. Any news of Assioma SPD compatible pedals straight from the box or the xpedo hybrid will be the only way?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Favero have said an SPD model is in their plans. No more detail provided (so I'm sticking with my Xpedo SPD hack for now).
@hptator
@hptator 2 роки тому
@@gplama hahaha thanks, yet another thing to wait for...
@brianmahony3923
@brianmahony3923 2 роки тому
Assioma took a good reliable trustworthy product and ....ed it up .not good business etiquette but I love my assioma uno pedals👍best powermeter pedals out there
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 2 роки тому
Very honest and informative review, thanks Shane. I can remove these off as an option for my wife. I've got more chance getting her onto Keos than these. Any word on the Wahoo Powrlinks release yet? Have they thrown you a set yet?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The PowrLink can't be too far away... but who knows with this current world situation. I've had a set in testing for a while now. I can't give anything away... other than I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing. As soon as I have more info to share it'll be straight up here on the channel. There's a lot of people interested in these.
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 2 роки тому
@@gplama You're legend - cheers. And thanks for all the work you do. It's so good to see some intelligent Aussies online. We don't get the best rep at times.
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
I just used your technique to measure the cornering angle on my singlespeed bike, 40.3⁰ :) loving my high BB
@russellbrooks2354
@russellbrooks2354 2 роки тому
Very informative Shane, thanks for another great video. Disappointed as I was looking forward to these being released. Out of interest, and for prospective, how does the Q factor compare to GRX with SPD pedals? I believe they are also considerably wider than a standard SPD SL set up but it never really gets mentioned. Thanks again for the great content.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
GRX cranks are listed a 151mm. SPD pedals 55mm. Both not aimed at the road bike market these pedals are for.
@russellbrooks2354
@russellbrooks2354 2 роки тому
@@gplama thanks for the response Shane and thanks again for the awesome honest content. 👍
@richscorer
@richscorer 2 роки тому
I am 6ft 6 and I the dura-ace +4mm and they fit me great. I had the 105 at 52 and my poor knees couldn't take it. going 56mm to 65mm is alot! I think I ll pass! But good for an early heads up.
@mib7483
@mib7483 2 роки тому
Love Shimano SPD, not in love with the Q Factor, very disappointing. Thanks for the very informative video Shane. I will just stick with my original Assioma Duo's.
@MJarthur95
@MJarthur95 2 роки тому
I’ll stick with my current non powerpedals and wait for the powerpedal version of the SpeedPlays, these Assioma Shi are massive especially when peddling out of corners
@michaelcyr9731
@michaelcyr9731 2 роки тому
I have a set of the original Duo units. I love them but I have a question. Is there an app out there that can display the left/right power data from a recorded ride or is the data only available in real time on my head unit? Thanks and keep up the great work. Awesome content and reviews!
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
It depends what you're recording the power with. Wahoo and Garmin head units (and a few others) will record L/R balance that can be reviewed post ride. As for what software can review it... it depends. Wahoo have the summary in their app. Garmin show it on Garmin Connect. More serious training analysis platforms do it (TrainingPeaks, etc).
@TheLazyGarden3r
@TheLazyGarden3r 2 роки тому
Was hoping you could use these with both road and MTB like the garmin Rally. Have you tested that?
@WeTeX30
@WeTeX30 2 роки тому
I know I mentioned the other day on the live stream that I hadn't noticed q-factor but that was based on going from R7000's to the Assioma Duos with a spacer. This looks like it on a whole different level and would absolutely be noticeable and would probably ruin my knees in an hour. Hard pass
@budikuesal7722
@budikuesal7722 Рік тому
hello Shane great info on the video.. If I were to use these Duo Shi on my used Ultegra pedals, do I need to do some cleaning on the housing at the pedal bodies? and also do I need to put some grease on the housing or the duo shi spindle before putting them in? I heard that correct torque should be done when threading the power pedals for them to work correctly, but definitely not in your opinion, can you please explain why? thanks
@gplama
@gplama Рік тому
1 - That's one for Favero Support. 2 - A torque wrench is preferable but not essential IF you've got a good feel for what 35-40 Nm is.
@stephenbetley9596
@stephenbetley9596 2 роки тому
Really hitting the limit of what the current Assioma pods are capable of. This seems a hack / bodge in extremis. For someone with short legs the 1cm+ q-factor is a no go. I appreciate the effort Favero, but really what this needs is a new pedal with a much smaller pod. It looks like from assembly that the issue is with the shape of the inside of the Shimano pedal body. Wouldn't a specific Favero SPD-L body be a better option? Is it a licencing issue? There's more pedal body outside of the spindle than on the originals judging from the above/below shots. I'm guessing that could cause some real issues with power accuracy with outer pedal torque. May be looking at the Rally with old assiomas & the SPD hack instead. I love my Assiomas, but back to the drawing board Favero. Good vid. I can feel the pain in your voice.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
When these arrived a while back I was expecting them to be THE 10/10 GO-TO power pedal. The Assioma DUO is 9/10 with that extra point being reserved for the SPD-SL version..... When I saw it was 65mm I did a double take. And I was truly disappointed as I know this isn't what people expect. People really LOVE Favero. This takes the shine off that a little. I did my best to point out the q-factor issue 12 months ago.... but apparently my voice isn't loud enough.
@stephenbetley9596
@stephenbetley9596 2 роки тому
@@gplama In the end money is the loudest voice and Garmin will benefit the most. Has the danger of being the new P1. I know Favero aren't a cycling company at heart. They will listen hopefully when the orders fail to come in. Your voice counts for the latter along with DC, DesFit & similar. All any of us really wanted was some new compatible bodies that we could swap over, not this clusterfuck.
@paulspackman9170
@paulspackman9170 8 місяців тому
Thanks for your work. Do you know whether the duo shi would fit a spd Mtb pedal body? Like the popular hack.
@timetorideon
@timetorideon 2 роки тому
Hmmm... so it's a T missing off the end of the model name?
@muddy250
@muddy250 2 роки тому
Aah Shi -t 65mm would screw my knees in an hour. Was annoyed that I bought the originals on the day they announced these on social media. I see now why you were telling me to hang fire and not get too excited.
@ryans6650
@ryans6650 2 роки тому
Screwed knees in an hour? I guess you're incapable of riding a mountain bike, then?
@muddy250
@muddy250 2 роки тому
@@ryans6650 My road bike fit is really finely tuned and even slight adjustments of cleats, saddle height or in this case, a pretty large stance change, affect my knees very badly. Never tried a mountain bike, my off-road skills are non existent. I do have leisure bikes, however I’m not trying to ride a TT on those. 🤝
@andyoffler3494
@andyoffler3494 2 роки тому
Any update on the speedplay power meter pedals that were supposed to out this summer
@artt3231
@artt3231 2 роки тому
Excellent review, as usual! Really disappointed on 65mm Q factor 😢…
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
You and me both (and a LOT of others).
@mirciusx
@mirciusx 2 роки тому
I hope they are releasing a mountain bike version soon as well!
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
They tell me it's in their plans.
@miketimmerman6336
@miketimmerman6336 2 роки тому
What are the odds Favero left Platform Center Offset out of Cycling Dynamics because it would tell you the pedal stance was too wide?
@jeeble
@jeeble 2 роки тому
Constantly switching bikes and q-factors and never notice the difference. Really not a big deal and haven't found any issues with these at all. Also, these work fine with 105 5800 pedals. Suspect the compatibility list is solely based on what Favero have explicitly tested.
@atypicaljen
@atypicaljen 2 роки тому
Hi Shane, thanks for the in-depth review. Do you think I can hack these with the Shimano mountain bike SPD pedals or get the regular dual and hack it with the xpedo pedals like your previous video?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Not possible. Use the regular DUO for this with the Xpedo SPD.
@benjsub
@benjsub 2 роки тому
Hi, thanks for the test, I bought some Duo instead of the Shim ones. I was wondering if there is any trouble hanging the bike by the left pedal on the wall? Thanks
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
I wouldn't advise it... but ultimately one for Favero to answer. The auto-calibration won't work if your bike is stored like that.
@benjsub
@benjsub 2 роки тому
@@gplama thanks for the fast answer. I will not try to auto zéro this way ;) I'll ask favero
@occyman
@occyman 2 роки тому
Good review but I’ll be sticking to my Speedplays and hoping they eventually release a power meter
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Stay tuned. :)
@davewoodyatt6590
@davewoodyatt6590 2 роки тому
Thanks for the unbiased review. This now has me re-thinking my rebate purchase. For $1K AUD, is there a direct drive smart trainer set-up would you recommend? finding it difficult to work out the best option especially as my bike is 11 speed, 42 tooth SRAM 1 bye with a thru-Axel :/ Would really appreciate any advice so I don't waste my money
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The Kickr Core is on sale over the next few days (so I see posted online). Pushys has them in stock.
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
Just had a light bulb 💡 moment: The reason I'm sensitive to wide q-factor is I have wide feet. The center of my feet is already 8mm wider per side due to my foot width! Can't believe I didn't realize this before, but it makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. This probably makes this more of a problem for taller riders, just because our feet are wider anyway, and we are more likely to have wide feet too. For reference, my feet are size 11, but 16mm wider than average per foot. So a standard road crank at 147 actually fits me more like a 153mm, since I can't slide my foot inward.
@SoCalSurfer69
@SoCalSurfer69 2 роки тому
I run ultegra +4 and a 2mm washer on one side so the garmins were always out. This might be an option for me.
@Ultegra10SPD
@Ultegra10SPD 2 роки тому
Shane, do u thicken the grease in your duos? Feel mine are too floppy vs regular KEOs and make leaving stop lights more work. Thx. -U10
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The spinning around issue? I don't put any grease on mine. I suspect a really thin dust cap might be a solution here. I haven't looked into this though.
@Swampster70
@Swampster70 2 роки тому
Sweet. Finally a power meter pedal I can use that takes into account my child bearing hips and jacked psoas. For those that are about 2,000 beers a bakers dozen donuts per day past healthy, these are awesome. Can you check to see if the accuracy of +/- 0.5% is valid at 118 watts?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The replacement set have been brilliant for power accuracy (same as the original DUO).
@sinill17
@sinill17 2 роки тому
Thank you. . Miller I have a question.... "Do you support the old 105 pedal (5800)??"
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Favero pushed the full list of compatible pedal bodies. I've included this in the video and description.
@Tamas_Torok
@Tamas_Torok 2 роки тому
Hi Shane! Did you hear anybody who use this with a nonsupported pedal body? I have a PD-RS500 pedal which has the same axel as the PD-R540 and PD-R550. So in theory it should be working, but I'm not sure about the accuracy.
@mikeywikeybikey
@mikeywikeybikey 2 роки тому
Thanks for the amazing content. My initial thought was that the added stance width would be a deal breaker. I then checked and have about 4mm float in the clear position (so can move the clear outward to take 4mm off the stance width. I also currently ride with my heel in (very close to hitting the chainstays) and definitely think a wider stance will be better than what I currently have. Going to roll the dice and see how if they work for me. (6ft tall/80kg - predominantly a sprinter)
@nuclearguitarman
@nuclearguitarman 2 роки тому
How are you getting on with them? Is the Q-factor an issue? I'm a very similar build to you, and can't decide whether to pull the trigger. Any feedback would be much appreciated!
@mikeywikeybikey
@mikeywikeybikey 2 роки тому
@@nuclearguitarman Hey Dean, The pedals have been amazing. I initially noticed the extra width but honestly think it’s what I needed. I’m now way more comfortable on the bike and feel like I can exert more power. Probably the biggest difference is felt when out of the seat. The extra width makes climbing out of the saddle so much better. Would highly recommend if you’re a similar build.
@MF-hl2ci
@MF-hl2ci 2 роки тому
I just tried them and as much as I wanted to go back to Shimano pedals these are not for me. Although I am tall (188cm) and quite wide, I quickly noticed knee pain with the Assioma Shi. On top of that my left/right balance was also off track from 50/50 (with the Assioma Duo) to 47/53 (with the Assioma Shi).
@B-Rad-K
@B-Rad-K 2 роки тому
I was impressed with the original Assioma bearing setup, although not adjustable like Shimano's they are easily replaced; also they are more inboard/outboard compared to Shimano's very centrally located, and narrow, bearing assembly. Now looking at the bearing setup for the Assioma Shi pedals I'm decidedly not impressed, it does have a bearing located more outboard than Shimano's but there are no inside bearings just a bushing; the bushing will be replaceable but my concern is wear on the axle which is not. So although I can work around the Q with cleat placement my main concern with wear and tear of this version brings me back to the original Assioma.
@orci77
@orci77 2 роки тому
Seems everybody tried big q-factors to find out that it breaks their knees 🤔 Since I have a wider stance, have my cleats as far inside as possible and use the wide spindle on my road bike this doesn’t seem a deal breaker for me. So it is not just swapping out the pedals but also adjust cleat position but I would expect anybody who is into power meters can do this. What I also like is that these would work with my 540 LA pedals 😱
@user-od8wp4xr1w
@user-od8wp4xr1w 3 місяці тому
what other options are there for spd?Garmins are inaccuarte and expernsive im going with the shi
@joshuanicholson420
@joshuanicholson420 2 роки тому
Whoa. Desfit & lama releasing a vid within a minute of each. Nice sync boys. Or embargo lift?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Embargo lift, yep.
@joshuanicholson420
@joshuanicholson420 2 роки тому
I am now looking around for any platform pedals that may happen to work with this axel. Give someone an inch and they’ll want to take a mile.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
@@joshuanicholson420 You might have issues with pod clearance on flat pedals with these. The Look (and now Shimano) variant of the Assioma clear the pod as the shoe is elevated above the cleat.
@joshuanicholson420
@joshuanicholson420 2 роки тому
@@gplama yeah there is definitely some issues with clearance. Probably the physics of their tuning too. And appears many of platforms have smaller diameter axels. Argh well will still keep an eye out for a solution of a power meter that can be moved around a bike or two, or three, or more.
@gitgudchannel
@gitgudchannel 2 місяці тому
Do these work out of the box with M520 pedals?
@AggroEntro
@AggroEntro 2 роки тому
i cant decide, this, 4iii or stages gen 3?
@el3ktrik0
@el3ktrik0 2 роки тому
I am 194cm and just ordered a pair of Shis. I am already at wider Ultegra spindles and it just looks that they will fit me perfectly. Did new pair fixed those problems with power measurements?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Yep, replacement set were on-par with what I expect from Assioma pedals.
@frankdelarosa9527
@frankdelarosa9527 2 роки тому
That increased q-factor would be a welcomed feature to anyone who rubs their shoes on their cranks. Silver linings?
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
Even on my Campagnolo track cranks (131mm q-factor) these would still be 10mm wider than a standard road crank/standard pedal setup. You can understand the technical limitations, the shimano cleat just takes up a lot of real estate. One has to ask why bother with this development process, just tell us it won't fit and stick with the original design
@michaeleebowes5176
@michaeleebowes5176 8 місяців тому
Any updates on these?
@sinill17
@sinill17 Рік тому
한글 번역하시분 고맙습니다~^^!
@whitehorseflyer
@whitehorseflyer 2 роки тому
Q factor is the killer blow, not a chance I'll be using them, a real shame and a big mistake in my view. Love my Assiomas so will be sticking with them.
@geraldtone5914
@geraldtone5914 2 роки тому
What is the significance of q factor?
@whitehorseflyer
@whitehorseflyer 2 роки тому
@@geraldtone5914 Puts your feet further away from the centre line of the bike so will affect the angle of your knees. Undoubtedly this would cause a lot of people a lot of pain. For me it's a catastrophic marketing decision.
@trepidati0n533
@trepidati0n533 2 роки тому
@@geraldtone5914 It can greatly affect the alignment of your feet/hips. For a causal rider you may never notice. If you ride for many hours per week it can cause physical issues/pain/injury.
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
Same here, unless i can find a crank with 121mm q-factor to match :)
@jt101084
@jt101084 2 роки тому
Where did the 'standard' stance width come from in the first place? I'd bet there are hundreds of thousands of people for whom it isn't ideal, and they would benefit from either a narrower or wider stance. The vast majority just use whatever they get given when they first jump on a bike, and give it zero thought. But then all of a sudden, the idea of changing it from this arbitrary width is going to result in knees exploding around the world? Also, pretty sure pedals don't affect Q factor. That's your cranks/BB. Pedal spindle width affects your stance width.
@lehtjug
@lehtjug 2 роки тому
Any recommendations to clean body from inside and add new grease before installations?.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Not in the manual... that I recall.
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
I did a crit race last night and touched my pedals 4 times in the corner. Fair to say pedal based power isn't for me anyway, but I wouldn't recommend these for anyone for cornering clearance alone.
@paulappleyard5832
@paulappleyard5832 2 роки тому
Think they have this wrong. Personally if I was them I would have waited for the next version of the Duo and engineered both at the same time rather than reusing the same Engineering with some tweaks. Feels like a custom body is needed but maybe copyright is an issue. They are a small company as I understand and may not have the resources to engineer both versions at the same time. I super happy with my duo btw haven't skipped a beat in nearly 3 years.
@R8JimBob88
@R8JimBob88 2 роки тому
What’s the Q-factor of say a standard Shimano SPD MTB pedal for comparison?
@cup_and_cone
@cup_and_cone 2 роки тому
Mountain SPDs are 55mm standard. The crankset is the massive difference, because XT/SLX/Deore/etc all have like 20mm wider cranks than road cranskets. Most mountain bikes will have a wider q factor than this setup...
@jimpeyton1459
@jimpeyton1459 2 роки тому
Hiya Shane: Thanks for the Assioma video. As I said to you in your livestream, I am ordering a new set of Duo then converting the old ones to SPD. BUTTTTTT seeing this video, could one expect Assioma to do a similar spindle sale for use with SPD? The current conversion involves some shoe surgery, which may be avoided if Assioma designs the spindle a little differently. Thought? Ridicule?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The spindle is the same as the Assioma. If a Shimano SPD could be swapped on, then it’d be super wide…. on a MTB that’s already using a wider crank. Garmin Rally XC is already on the market and nails the correct size (without shoe hackery or warranty issues).
@stephendickson9204
@stephendickson9204 Рік тому
@@gplama Sorry to comment on one of your older videos but I’m looking to upgrade to power meter pedals. The set up I had before was Polar Vantage V Titan with Polar speed and cadence sensors. This obviously doesn’t give me power and I needed to buy 4 sets as I have 4 bikes and also they are not rechargeable so have to buy new ones. I also use SPD pedals as I basically have road and gravel bikes and prefer SPD for walking in. I now have just been given a Polar Grit X Pro Titan as an upgrade present. I’ve been looking and fancied the Garmin XC 200s. The problem with the Grit X Pro is that they’re not on Polars compatible list but Assioma are. I saw your Assioma DUO SPD hack and really thought that was the route to go. Do you still think the Assioma SPD hack would be the way to go for me?
@chrisb_rc
@chrisb_rc 2 роки тому
Would be a product for a very niche number of riders, nevermind the relatively low % of riders buying power meters
@clintnieves
@clintnieves 2 роки тому
Garmin Rally RS200 vs this?
@migueljorgefurtado
@migueljorgefurtado 2 роки тому
Regarding the q factor: an adjustment to the cleats position wouldn't solve the problem to most people?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
No. SPD-SL cleats have limited lateral movement (~3-4mm). This doesn't negate the much wider q-factor of the pedals. If this was possible then it'd also change the balance(?) or pressure points (?) of the shoe/cleat contact and potentially create other issues. The solution is for companies to stick to standards when it comes to component size, unless there's a REALLY good reason not to.
@Mark5ive5
@Mark5ive5 2 роки тому
Interesting. What’s the main purpose of these? I assume the standard assiomas come with the appropriate cleats, so I’m not sure why you’d want to donate another pair of Ultegra pedals.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
My take is that it's an easy-path product to something people have been asking for. It'd be the same production line as the Assioma, put on a different oil cap, install the cartridge, done. I assume there was no change to the expensive part, being the manufacturing of the spindle/pod.
@ajfmaughan
@ajfmaughan 2 роки тому
I am using Assioma Uno pedals with Garmin Edge 820 and have connection issues. Will not connect automatically at start of ride and will randomly drop out during a ride which requires manually reconnecting via sensor setup. Any suggestions to fix the issue?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
That shouldn’t happen. Check firmware on both the 820 and Assioma. Do a hard reset of the 820 if all else fails.
@benisaredneck
@benisaredneck 2 роки тому
Can the mtb spd pedals be swapped? Do the spd and spd-sl pedals use the same spindle? I really want to try these on my XC bike.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Here's my how-to for the Assioma SPD conversion: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/sZJyen-fgpeZz4E.html
@adamossowski7627
@adamossowski7627 2 роки тому
@@gplama but will it also work for shimano version? Say with xtr body
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
@@adamossowski7627 I don't believe so.... but I haven't tried.
@benisaredneck
@benisaredneck 2 роки тому
@@gplama that’s xpedo cleat system, does it work with spd cleats too? Or should I just do xpedo pedals and cleats?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
@@benisaredneck They are 100% SPD compatible.
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 2 роки тому
Imagine trying to measure power on a long bar. Accurate force measurement really drops fast the farther the offset on the torque arm. Probably harder to do on these even vs the original
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
I asked if this was the reason for the alternative calibration requirement in the factory. They were a little reserved in giving a straight answer. The bearing/cartridge sleeve was mentioned as needing to be factored in. DCR and DesFit look to have good power numbers. I guess the set I was sent were duds.
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