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I knew we forgot something!

at least, we got a tinfoil saturday now :-)

Sad. BUT!! With those assets, you can always join the flerfer army!! All set to do THEIR "own research"!! Go for it, buddy! Rgr

​@@UpperDarbyDetailingAlways forget that 😮😮

What did he forget to covert his measurements?

@@thatsacoollookingmissl- He was asked to convert kms to meters and didn't know how and then didn't understand the answer when it was provided .

"We need to convert millimetres to kilometres" But do we though??

Well you don't need to actually. Size of image and length of box should be in the same units, so convert former in cm or latter in mm. After division this coefficient will be unitless.

@@blizzaga1 But then you need to convert the distance to the sun to mm instead..

And share with the young earthers.

😂😂😂 you killed it.

And then be the guest star on Tinfoil Tuesday.

🏆Awesome! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

How many flerfers brains could one cover with that size piece of tinfoil?

We in Oregon feel your pain.

It’s sunny in Glasgow today! Taps aff!

Vinny, move to Dundee. Scotland's sunniest toon, official. Twa fitba teams so you'd see your sides about 8 times a year. 😁

Seems right, I was in Glasgow 30 years ago and it was a hot sunny day

@@jumb0j0ck Scumdee? F#ck that mate 🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's using your brain!

Best giggle of the day😆😅🤣😂.

1st belly laugh of the day 🤣 Cheers 👍

..Tried to measure the intelligence of a flerfer with a shoebox, the result was negative ...

:noway: 🫢

😂😂

I'm not sure we have that much time to wait.

That takes brain cells - so it can't be done

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that section of the video 🤣

Which Nathan? Thompson, who only works in miles, or Oakley who'd get it backwards? (I knew which one you meant. I just like making fun of all the flat-earth Nathans. But I forgot the one who rips up books 🤦)

Don't forget the tinfoil, and you can make a hat afterwards!

Your cat will never give the box back.

Cats rule.

Realistically that applies to any Science & Mathematics, oh & spelling, writing cohesive sentences... maybe just simplify to anything that requires any form of education as listing them all takes too long 😂

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Given they don't do their own research and just accept everything that the Flerf masters tell them, it's only to be expected.

most ‘flat earthers’ would have noticed that its impossible to measure the diatance to the sun and therefore impossible to “measure” the size of the sun. you are a deceptive liar and have the iq of a small rodent

That was my thought exactly. Technically, this experiment begged the question! I think the Greeks began with the diameter of the Earth (using some safe assumptions which turned out to be correct). They went from there to the Moon, the Sun, etc. Simon Singh's book about the Big Bang explained all that. P.S. I think that the Big Bang might be false, but the facts about the Moon and Sun and so on are obviously accurate.

I use foil for baking. I feel such a fool.

@@MonkeyJedi99 I used it for covering chicken whilst cooking it, I am so embarrassed.

Oh, there are other uses for tinfoil as well.🐉

As flerf theories tend to contradict each other, they'll never grasp the concept of multiple experiments and measurements complementing each other and making our findings more and more accurate.

You can use the rule of thumb. Point your thumb towards the sun. Then look first with one eye and then with the other. Now you know exactly why you shouldn't look directly into to the sun.

My thought exactly. At least that shows I’m among thinking people on this channel. 😉

Funny how they say, "looks flat, is flat" but when you point out that at dusk the sun appears to be going below the horizon, they say "nuh uh, it's just getting farther away". They only want people to "trust their senses" when their senses fool them into thinking the earth is flat.

@@wizardsuth Confirmation Bias is a hell of drug. Edit: by which i mean they only look for things that confirms, and disregard anything that contradicts. A common theme in pretty much every conspiracy theory and pseudo-science type groups.

there is still no explanation about anything on a flat earth, that holds up to scrutiny.

... much less how the seasons change ... or sunset/sunrise ... eclipse ... phases of the moon ... etc.

Or why equatorial camera / telescope mounts do what they do.

Or, thanks Bob, there is a drift of 15 degrees in an hour using a specialised device designed to measure the angular momentum of Earth rotation.

That's because there can't be - you can't produce a self consistent plausible explanation for multiple different observations using a completely incorrect model of reality.

God's cosmic lampshade keeps the light only on part of the mystic pizza at a time, science.

@@petehjr1 I want to be skeptical of that claim but, if it's science it's science I guess. Checkmate me!

Uh Oh! Busted! LOL!

The sun is a spotlight. It seems you're a little confused about how the luminous bulb that circles above our heads works.

@@randal_gibbons I'm a little confused a lotta the time so that tracts.

Nah

@@Nickakanugboy I get a 'translate to english' link under your comment, and when I click it, your comment is translated to "Now". Thanks google, A for effort, F for result. Lol

Nah, the hole in the shoebox would be too big and the image out of focus. Can't be a flerf if the image is sharp.

They will attempt to debunk it quite easily. The equation used for the calculation includes the distance to the sun. They do not accept the sun is that far away so they will dismiss it.

@@andystokes8702 Sad, but true. If you accept the calculated distance of the sun, you might as well accept the calculated diameter. Nonetheless, it is an interesting experiment you can do with your kids on a sunny afternoon.

That's the average size! 😝

Michael Scott *sweating* bites lip

That's what she said.

You lost them at the 2cm square for the hole.

Given that, for the sake of this experiment, the distance to the sun was assumed in both cases, then the 92km diameter is equally valid.

first task: flatten the shoebox

A fifteen degrees per hour drift?

@@pembrokeshiredan the speed being more or less constant throughout the day is already a problem for a lot of the flat earth proposed models./vague ideas

​@@pembrokeshiredanThanks Bob.

@@kevinstewart1285 RIP

Its 15 degrees per hour. All day, every day.

Just a bit lol

Bob the science guy has already done this.

Any math for measuring this with a reticle eyepiece? I have a Celestron eyepiece with 12.5 mm Focal Length.

is some simple parallax aparatus too inaccurate?

@@Mandelbrot_Set Off the top of my head, the two lens equations are 1/f = 1/di + 1/do and M = -di/do = hi/ho, with f = focal length, di = distance to image, do = distance to object, hi = height of image and ho = height of object.

now i understand why americans still stick to measurements in feet !!!

G'day @Enigma_Real, Yeah & Dan's Mathematics has to be wrong because English & American shoe sizes are different 😂

@@shaneeslick Yeah, the metric system is just made up numbers!!

And refraction / buoyancy / 8" per mile squares...or something?

Don't forget that the scale of the ruler has to be tempered with. Also what is a mm or a km? 😅

That 747 has some impressive heat shielding attached to it.

Most Flerfers work in FU (Inches and Miles), or "Freedom Units", because nothing says "Freedom" more than using an Imperial measurement system.

Yes, I did wonder about that, but then realised that if he'd not done it this way, the flerf response would be that he's stupid, and thinks a mm equals a km or some other nonsense.

NHS waiting list is worse than I thought.

That's ridiculous, how have you managed to get a doctor's appointment at all???

Absolutely, it will work on a night with a full moon

Calculating the diameter this way has to assume the distance, so the flat earthers would just call foul.

It’s closer though, so presumably that would help. I mean my radiator is a meter wide and a few centimetres behind my and I’m roasting 🤓

That's not just heat. You can get about a thousand watts per square meter of photovoltaic electricity at the distance the Earth is from the Sun. From the Sun, the Earth presents an apparent disc of about 127.8 million km^2. (You have to use apparent disc instead of daylit surface area due to the curvature of the globe). According to my math, 127.8 million square kilometers is a metric buttload of square meters - and the flattardians have not presented any physics for how an object is near and close as their sun produces that many photons.

It would have to be quite a bit hotter, arguably even blue as a result.

basically it's impossible to reconcile - the closest thing would be a Neutron star and the gravitational forces would rip any flat earth apart. you need a critical mass to density ratio to achieve fusion - either massive physical force like a super nova to create it or magnetic fields so strong they would rip the iron out of your blood corpuscles to maintain the size. this is not to mention the amount of radiation that would be pouring out of the star. flerfers know nothing about astro-physics.

What sort of accounting/changes are you doing aside from the 90km star? Probably a really awkward way to ask the question. Inverse square falloff is going to be a big factor and my astrophysics is a bit oxidized... so ballpark a 90-100km star going to break physics in some major ways. Issue 1 - the lower limit for a spherical body is like 400-600km. Issue 2 - you now have a bunch of gas with no real way of really compressing it. For the sake of simplicity, I'm treating 'heat from sunlight' as just keeping solar flux at its current ~1373Wm-2. Option 1) Apply the Flercopeic force and the sun is now 90km but otherwise the same? A quick check to make sure you didn't accidentally singularity... Schwarzschild radius is ~3km. So your good on that. Its only going to need to be a little hotter to make up for the extra ~1.3927 million km you just shrunk away. Its only ~1/108th a change. The average temperature on earth just fell ~1%, maybe 5C, and we have a few more years to sort out the whole carbon emissions mess. Option 2) Using the Flercopeic force to ignite your 90km ball of gas into a star... Not wanting to have to deal with emission spectra lets just scale the sun down to ~90km. Distance to diameter ratio is ~108:1. Plugging in sizes (1.3927 million km and 90km) get a shrinkage scaling factor of ~15474. Scaling the distance gets the 90km star 9735km from us. Re running with 100km star for more data points: shrinkage scaling factor of ~13927 with a distance of 10816km. Did anyone have 9735km to 10816km as the distance to the sun on the bingo cards? I'm sure that will fit right into their model... Option 3) Using the Flercopeic force to ignite your 90km ball of gas with the same mass as the sun and keep it at 90km. Everything just got a whole lot hotter. More pressure on the gas from the Flercopeic force heats things up. And much more blue. Look up WR 102. The 'surface' temp just jumped from ~6000K to 210,000 K. 35 times hotter so apx square root to maintain solar flux. So Mars just got fried, Jupiter is toast. Luckily Saturn hasn't been sauteed, so that might be habitable. Also don't forget your going to need like SPF 9000 with how blue shifted everything is. Option 4) You get a giant ice cream scoop and scoop out a 90km ball of sun and use the Flercopeic force to keep it going. Density of the sun is 1.41 g/cm³. Volume of the 90km ball = 381703507411159878473 cm^3, 5.3820195e+17 kg of gas. At a burn rate of 6e+11 kg/s gives you a hydrogen supply of 900000 seconds...or just under 10 and a half days. 0.67% of that becomes energy, giving you 3.6059531e+16 of helium. Assuming the same burn rate, you then get 0.69 days of helium burn. And things become quite periodic from there. Debatable if that is an issue, your 'star' didn't last two weeks. Can someone check my numbers? Nothing like a bit of peer review.

Yeah, that's what I thought he was gonna do initially! Look through some mylar or such and just measure the Sun right there at various times of day!

Equatorially mounted shoebox shouldn't be too hard to realize. Attach step motor, 15° per hour. 😆

It would simplify the arithmetic somewhat.

I just found out that a good friend of mine doesn't believe in "the" moon landing. I asked him, which one? He looked confused and said, we've only been there once 🤦‍♂️

Yeah, this was purely to show a method to get the (rough) size if you know the distance already. There are methods for that also, so it would need some prework :)

@@RSProduxx agree

That one might take a little longer. Many decades longer, not to mention needing multiple people & travel. Flerfers don't even want to Google answers for simple things from their own homes, let alone do real experiments.

Just tape a ruler to your cat and hope she sits still for the measuring :)

@@Voidsworn He declines. Thankfully I retain enough fingers to send you this reply. =P

This 👍 Converting everything to KM complicates things more than needed. The divide part is just a ratio calculation so only needs the same units top and bottom.

I was wondering about this and was going to pose the question(about what would happen with different-sized pinholes). Thank you for your input 😊, it helped me gain a better grasp on this experiment.

Only because a shoebox is too small.

Thank you, I had the same thought. It seems to me a bigger hole would make the projection larger, but the pinhole diameter is not taken into account. I'm not a flerf, promise.

It certainly makes the math simpler. Basically, what you're seeing is the rightmost edge of the Sun shining to the left, and the leftmost edge of the Sun shining to the right. IIRC, you need to deduct the size of the hole from the resulting projection.

No. The aperture of the lens (in this case, our pinhole) has no bearing on the projected size of the sun. The only thing it alters is the resolution of the image -------> the smaller the hole, the sharper the image.

@@ReValveiT_01 but isn't what you're describing a measure of how much light hits the sensor, if you open up the aperture, more light will hit the sensor, in this case a bigger pinhole will allow more light to hit the sensor, ie the ruler. Much like the eye opening up the iris to allow more light in in low light envorinment. If you take this to the extreme and make that hole 1 cm wide instead of 1 mm the light blob would be larger. But I guess what you mean is that the light outside of that center is "blurry", with a smaller hole you get the real size and the projection will not be muddied by light "out of focus", that would make sense in this case when you're trying to estimate the size of the light source.

@@ReValveiT_01 Not mathematical projection, literal projection of light in the box.

Gravitational lensing... wait no, they probably don't believe in that either. Atmospheric refraction!

Curse my vile enemy PARALLAX!

Perspective...it's a law, don't 'cha know...???🌎

It's better practice to convert everything in the equation into the same units. Technically it's unnecessary, you're correct, but laziness like that breeds mistakes.

G'day @mce_AU, & those who grew up with Curiosity Show are old hands at this type of Backyard Science 🙃👎

Good shout!