Firearms Expert Reacts To Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun’s Guns
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День томуJonathan Ferguson, a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries, breaks down more of the weaponry of Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun, including the several variants of the iconic Boltgun itself.
In the latest video in the Firearm Expert Reacts series, Jonathan Ferguson--a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries--breaks down the guns of Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun and compares them to their potential real-life counterparts.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Boltgun
3:36 - Shotgun
7:17 - Plasma Gun
9:32 - Heavy Bolter
11:33 - Meltagun
14:40 - Vengeance Launcher
16:55 - Volkite Caliver
18:23 - Grav-Cannon
@PaladinDervish 11 місяців тому
Johnathan reluctantly explains the Boltgun for the 12th time as a commissar watches on just off-screen.
@jamesnorman9160 11 місяців тому
While said Commisar's hand drifts dangerously close to his bolt pistol...
@seanbrazell7095 11 місяців тому
Watches off screen.... with a Lasrifle
@raiden1766 11 місяців тому
"Your tithe to the Emperor is not done Jonathan...The Imperium still needs you to review ALL ITS MOST SACRED OF RANGED WEAPONRY!"
@Prince9743 11 місяців тому
😂
@ramonandrajo6348 11 місяців тому
Too bad this game is a disappointment as a boomer shooter.
@peterclarke7240 11 місяців тому
"This is probably a rabbit-hole I can ill-afford to go down..." This is basically what every grown adult who discovers 40k says, right before the Call of the Warp starts to invade their sleeping mind... Next week, we find out which 40k army Jonathan has started collecting, are introduced to his already impressive and ever-growing Pile of Shame, and get a detailed breakdown of his Army list, Unit composition, and weapon specs. 🤣
@EverianKalim 11 місяців тому
Joanthan would 100% collect Imperial Guard.
@creed8712 11 місяців тому
@@EverianKalimspecifically the Praetorians I’d imagine
@r.lum.r 11 місяців тому
literally tho. I started with the Darktide beta and now I’m considering why I want to go with a Necron army. How did this happen so fast lol
@Cakesadamant 11 місяців тому
@@r.lum.r that escalated quickly lol
@imjustsam1745 11 місяців тому
@@r.lum.r cool trick for Necrons, Citadel shade paints look AMAZING on metallics, you're going to be able to get some cool effects early as a painter.
@myfaceismyshield5963 11 місяців тому
The muted sound for a heavier gun DOES have an in-universe reason. Space Marine helmets have what is called "auto-senses" to make sure the marine doesn't go blind or deaf even in the brightest or loudest situation. So essentially it darkens the eyes if the environment is too bright and it blocks out sound if the environment is too loud. So active noise-cancelling, but over explained in the lore because active noise-cancelling wasn't a big thing back when that lore was typed xD
@DamienDarkside 11 місяців тому
Imagine explaining someone in the 80s from the alternative scenes what "noise cancelling" is. They only knew "louder".
@myfaceismyshield5963 11 місяців тому
@@DamienDarkside exactly xDD
@doomspud6302 11 місяців тому
Also, during some of that footage, they had the infinite ammo powerup active, which muffles some of the sounds in the game. You can see the icon for that in the upper right of the screen. So that might be what he was noticing.
@beastofchaospureanarchie 6 місяців тому
Some Run around without helmet. Emperor protects
@cunning_linguist. 6 місяців тому
@@DamienDarksideNoise Marines man
@Tounushi 11 місяців тому
My armor is contempt My faith is my shield My hate is my sword In the Emperor's name, let none survive!
@Manslayer-eo1nh 11 місяців тому
My faith is my shield !
@foreng3095 11 місяців тому
My face is my shield.
@Tounushi 11 місяців тому
@@foreng3095 My hair is my sword
@mariodoomfist1049 11 місяців тому
My shield is disgust My armor is contempt My sword is hatred In the Emperor's name,the heretic the xeno the traitor shall be purged Or something like that IDK
@theexiled4345 11 місяців тому
KNOW ONLY WAR!
@DhruvaDevOnline 11 місяців тому
" I have high hopes for Mr.Cavil and friends though". My man spitting facts. So do we all Mr. J.
@timmanning5206 11 місяців тому
YES
@blockwithaglock96 11 місяців тому
Honestly i'm almost scared he's gonna try too hard and overwork himself
@Khorne_of_the_Hill 10 місяців тому
@@blockwithaglock96 he's probably going to need to if he wants to protect the show from being ruined by locusts, unfortunately 🙁
@blockwithaglock96 10 місяців тому
@@Khorne_of_the_Hill i am more worried about ambitions getting too high and money running low, just look at high guardian spice or no man sky
@fluffywolfo3663 11 місяців тому
The heavy Bolter is actually electronically fired! :p Also it’s okay. Nobody actually knows how Meltaguns work. Sometimes they’re beams, sometimes they fire individual shots, sometimes they’re shotgun effects..
@StacheMan26 11 місяців тому
And, given the state of military standardization across the Imperium of Man, it's entirely possible that all of those descriptions are equally correct and the term "meltagun" is used to refer to multiple technologies that function differently, but achieve more or less the same result.
@leadpaintchips9461 11 місяців тому
Meltas are described as a 'short range beam weapon' almost universally but it doesn't get really any deeper then that. Since all of the effects that you describe could still fall under that description (a continuous beam, and short burst of beam, or multiple short bursts of beams), it's a tossup.
@bilateralrope8643 11 місяців тому
I wouldn't be surprised if the Imperium has multiple kinds of meltas, with different operating methods. All called meltas because they melt holes in tanks. Though Jonathan might have something to say about them being short ranged weapons.
@Hurricayne92 11 місяців тому
@@bilateralrope8643 That definitely sound like the Imperium
@chrigoog 11 місяців тому
Porque no los tres? Haha, Microwave gun go fffffffwoosh. It's basically a cutting torch that doesn't need gas, so it certainly got a small-ish cone of effect. But lore-wise it's focussed microwaves, superheating air for a few milliseconds until it gets very violent (as superheated stuff tends to get) and then releasing that out the front/towards the heretic of your choice. No clue why it needs ammo and not just power.
@yarrbraxas 11 місяців тому
I think "plasma - hot, splashy" is a perfectly fine and physics accurate description of what's happening.
@rayanderson5797 11 місяців тому
I put into a tabletop game I was working on a plasma launcher that essentially caused explosions, since that was near-enough the most realistic effect as far as I could tell. But the most interesting idea, to me, was that the weapon was completely capable of destroying itself with an overcharged shot, and you could disable the safety to create a massively powerful blast which would destroy the weapon.
@joaquinvelasquez6252 11 місяців тому
Plasma hot splashy- needs more dakka!
@CIoudStriker 11 місяців тому
Plasma is the hyperactive, ADHD-ridden love child of liquid and plasma that will ruin your life if you get near it.
@CM-os7ie 10 місяців тому
@@rayanderson5797 Sounds like Blast templates
@luigivercotti6410 3 місяці тому
Kinda missing out on the EM effects that constitute the bulk of the complexity in plasma physics, I would think but hey
@Tounushi 11 місяців тому
"How the bolter rounds really work, I don't know" The closest equivalent would be 155mm M549 HERA shells. Base bleed rocket-assisted shells, so essentially bolts are .750 caliber (11 gauge) APHERA shotgun slugs. Gyrojet's greatest weakness was that it has a minimum lethal distance. You can disable the weapon essentially by holding your finger to the muzzle. Having a case that hot launches the projectile at already lethal velocity ensures that there's no minimum lethal distance.
@SWTobito0702 11 місяців тому
Oh, never thought about it like that. That's quite clever.
@vortex594 11 місяців тому
the lower lethality of a low initial velocity would also be mitigated by the explosive payload.
@Daktangle 11 місяців тому
Botl rounds get round that issue by being 2 stage: initial cartridge like a regular bullet, and then the rocket kicks in after it exists the muzzle.
@Schproemftell 11 місяців тому
@@Daktangle that would also make sense because Bolter are made for every battlefield use be it Low Grav or even Under water where Initial ignitipn could prove difficult without an encased projectile
@hankj.wimbleton_gamer-madn2412 11 місяців тому
actually the space marine bolter rounds are 500 magnum , the 750. are the primaris marine bolters and i think the heavy bolter is in 950.
@StressmanFIN 11 місяців тому
6:54 the line you're looking for goes "My armor is contempt, my sword is hatred, my shield is disgust, in the Emperor's name, let none survive."
@ombrepourpre7562 11 місяців тому
Shield is faith. Not disgust 😉
@xDSqxRazoRx 11 місяців тому
and most of all contempt in this game is the equivalent of armor in dewm - the blue shield pickups, the twist is that they do drop out of enemies
@yocapo32 11 місяців тому
@@ombrepourpre7562 *"MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD"* "Dude, my face is my shield."
@StressmanFIN 11 місяців тому
@@yocapo32 Channeling 'Therussianbadger' I see. xD
@Tounushi 8 місяців тому
@@yocapo32 My hair is my sword!
@Tajealos 11 місяців тому
A bit of elaboration on the Plasma Gun mechanic: On the tabletop game, Plasma weapons have a mechanic where if you roll a 1 on a dice when trying to shoot one, it explodes in the user's hand and kills the wielder, the idea being that the plasma is so volatile and dangerous that any mishandling has catastrophic consequences The overheat mechanic seems to be a compromise for the sake of gameplay; I can't imagine that shooting the Plasma Gun with a 1/6 chance of dying instantly would be very fun to play with
@kbassassin8308 11 місяців тому
As of 9th & 10th Edition the rule now only applies to supercharged Plasma weapons, increases the strength of the weapon but gives it the hazardous rule which on the roll of a 1 causes it to explode, otherwise you can shoot plasma guns with no fear now.
@Tajealos 9 місяців тому
@@kbassassin8308 Right, sorry forget to mention that But let's be real, who actually uses the standard fire mode?
@kbassassin8308 9 місяців тому
@@Tajealos I do got tired of blowing up in 6th since my dudes only came with Plasma weapons as upgrades, lost plenty of battles blowing up.
@Ninjat126 4 місяці тому
Darktide has a similar overheating mechanic on its plasma gun. You can vent it manually but take damage to do it. Normally you just lose a little of your regenerating temp HP, but if you're in combat or not watching your health then it might do some more permanent damage.
@Ninjat126 4 місяці тому
Darktide has a similar overheating mechanic on its plasma gun. You can vent it manually but take damage to do it. Normally you just lose a little of your regenerating temp HP, but if you're in combat or not watching your health then it might do some more permanent damage.
@blizzardgaming7070 11 місяців тому
The reason the bolters never have stocks is because the gun itself is so heavy that the recoil is surprisingly low.
@v0dka885 11 місяців тому
Its like a stockless version of the AA12
@StressmanFIN 11 місяців тому
And most likely because of an armored Space Marine's sheer weight and arm strength, that there's no need for stocks.
@Ramonatho 11 місяців тому
Also Space Marines have auto targeting systems.
@inthefade 11 місяців тому
AFAIK they have targeting and are also just so good they don’t even have to look down sights for typical use, like aiming at center of mass. They can aim intuitively. I’m not sure if that is canon or not, since it is hard to remember if I heard something from any official source or not… It certainly rings true.
@leadpaintchips9461 11 місяців тому
@@StressmanFIN TBH there's bolters that are designed for humans not in power armor that are stockless, but I chalk that up to keeping the weapon easily identifiable instead of practical reasons.
@elite393 11 місяців тому
Honestly appreciate the inclusion of Dave providing context on some things
@ukrattus 11 місяців тому
Wholeheartedly agree. The conversation style interludes really add to it.
@jonathanferguson1211 11 місяців тому
Dave is a proper 40K fan 😊
@Necromancist 11 місяців тому
"Big hot thing punch hot hole through other thing" is the best description of a Meltagun's function I've ever heard.
@ramonandrajo6348 11 місяців тому
Too bad this game is a disappointment as a boomer shooter.
@Necromancist 11 місяців тому
@@ramonandrajo6348 How so? In my opinion it captures the feeling pretty well with the presentation and especially with the powerups, though the arena style "purge" battles are a more modern (but not bad) concept to center the levels around.
@garygcrook 11 місяців тому
Meltaguns have an interesting story behind them. In 40K there is a "super-metal" called Adamantium, a rare element that is super strong and can be used to make monomolecular blades and incredibly strong armour. So in order to beat this armour, they took the cutting tool used to make it and turned it into a weapon. That weapon is the Meltagun, and the Multi-Melta.
@kbassassin8308 11 місяців тому
In truth Adamantium exists in real life, I don't know how great of armor it would be, but real Adamntium is more commonly referred to as Diamond. So essentially a Space Marine has either Diamond, Diamond Plated, or Diamond Alloy Armor.
@garygcrook 11 місяців тому
@@kbassassin8308 I believe you are confusing this Sci-Fi metal with the Classical Mythological substance called Adamant or Adamantine, which is seen as a form of Diamond. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamant Adamantium is a very different substance, as it is a metallic element within 40K. Space Marine power armour does not use Adamantium, only Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Tanks, Dreadnoughts and larger fighting machines do. SM power armour uses Ceramite.
@RipOffProductionsLLC 11 місяців тому
@KbAssassin Marine Power Armor is made of a material called Ceramite, which by name implies it's some kind of ceramic material, Terminator Armor is made of Adanantine though.
@garygcrook 11 місяців тому
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Ceramite is a composite material that is basically Ceramic. Tactical Dreadnought Armour, also known as Terminator armour, uses Adamantium which is a unique metallic element in 40K that is also used tank armour, Titans and Spaceships
@sahilrahman5066 11 місяців тому
@@kbassassin8308 Uh no that doesn't work like that
@DoctorM42 11 місяців тому
Fun fact, heavy bolter is normally electrically fired, but it have primers for firing it if the batter runs out, electric cable is damaged, or entire system is fried by EMP. Which happens in 40k often enough to have a back up built in. It have lower rate of fire when not electrically powered, but still works.
@labrat810 11 місяців тому
I like how the writers thought. While not employed in a commercial or military firearm (to my knowledge): 'Traditional' primers are sensitive to (a sufficiently strong) ESD. With modern miniaturized high-power components, the tough part would be making the 'electric-override ignition' reliable and durable. (Oh, and potentially the micro-EMP/EMI/RFI emitted from the weapon. Notice: most DIY 'gauss guns' mess with the camera; that's what I'm talking about)
@Fulgrim2 11 місяців тому
“Now here’s our Guardian Spear from the collection….”
@weldonwin 11 місяців тому
Considering that spears with a built in gun have been a real thing historically, don't be shocked if he actually does say that some day
@JCGver 11 місяців тому
"Hi, Ian from forgotten weapons here on Mars at the armory museum of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Today we are going to have a closer look at the standard template Bolter"
@Scorch052 11 місяців тому
I really respect how much Johnathan is willing to go down the proverbial rabbit hole to explain these obviously absurd weapons. It really is probably the best content Gamspot has put out in a long time imo.
@p_serdiuk 11 місяців тому
The pump action on the Deathwatch shotgun allows manual loading of specialized shells against different types of aliens.
@businesscasualsauron 11 місяців тому
The moment Jonathan drew a brace of Gyrojet Pistols I expected him to be drawn into Boltgun and start purging the enemies of Mankind.
@Rossen42 11 місяців тому
I really want to see Jonathan break down the guns from The Order 1886
@theblackbaron4119 11 місяців тому
I almost forgot about this game. It was dead in the water when it came out.
@user-hc4lk4lp9o 11 місяців тому
i second this
@zXPeterz14 11 місяців тому
Yes please, on the royal armouries channel he also seems most excited to talk about weird, victorian era guns so this would be cool to see
@TheSchultinator 11 місяців тому
@@zXPeterz14 Things were moving so fast during that time, it's wild the variety
@tbotalpha8133 11 місяців тому
I appreciate your persistence, posting this request every week.
@tonarsilverwolf6485 11 місяців тому
the way a bolter functions is that there is a normal primary charge to propel the "bolt" out of the barrel already at fatal velocity, after that the rocket propellant within the "bolt" to propel it even further. also lore wise the heavy bolter uses electricity because of the required high fire rate
@phucletran2860 11 місяців тому
Yes,exactly. The misconception about the bolt gun is that the bolt round is a two-stage gyrojet ammunition
@tonarsilverwolf6485 11 місяців тому
@@phucletran2860 also the fact that the round shown is far too big to be '75 caliber
@phucletran2860 11 місяців тому
@@tonarsilverwolf6485 about the dimension , i’m not sure, there are many discussion about that, but i believed the consensus is ‘50, ‘75 is for heavy boltgun i believe.
@tonarsilverwolf6485 11 місяців тому
@@phucletran2860 I've understood that the heavy bolter bolts are 1 cal aka 1 inch in diameter. the '50 cal version was mentioned being in use by the techno barbarians of terra during the unification wars. at least if I remember correctly. Also that would make my point even more accurate since the round looks way too big for the canonical diameter
@phucletran2860 11 місяців тому
@@tonarsilverwolf6485 oh, i dont know about the techno barbarians, thanks alot. Yeah, i think you’re right. I like the idea mr. Jonathan mention in the vid, it is a 40mm round, more fitting for a space marine.
@sametsahin6863 11 місяців тому
The difference is the bolter round's case ignites and shoots the rocket as if it was a normal bullet THEN the rocket starts flying and lodges itself within the targets flesh exploding right after negating any momentum loss
@hellsambassador666 11 місяців тому
I really appreciate that the vengeance launcher uses the reticle from Spacemarine. I love those kinds of little details.
@Hurricayne92 11 місяців тому
Im so keen to see what they give us for SM 2
@theshinken 11 місяців тому
Boltgun actually plays on the same planet as Space Marine and is set some time after the first Space Marine game. The Ultramarine player character even mentions Captain Titus at least at one point.
@hellsambassador666 11 місяців тому
@@theshinken this is absolutely incredible. I will be playing this.
@DaraGaming42 11 місяців тому
This game is just space Maine FPS
@Mutant1988 11 місяців тому
Jonathan should definitely read at least the first of the Ciaphas Cain novels. It's a very fun warstory (With some perspective shifting to capture some of the strategic/tactical deployment of the Imperial Guard, the regular human soldiers of the setting) and really likable characters.
@SamuraiHonor 11 місяців тому
Before I read it, I figured it'd be a bit overhyped. But no. Ciaphas Cain books are THAT good and funny. A lazy, cowardly master swordsman, with a desk job he hates, working along one of the grumpiest regiments, facing the horrors of the universe. Blundering into success 9/10 times like an old james bond movie.
@stephen9894 11 місяців тому
@@SamuraiHonor yeah, my only real complaints are that by the final omnibus Sandy started running out of ideas. The first two are amazing though
@garygcrook 11 місяців тому
I haven't read Ciaphas Cain, yet it always seemed to me that they were the 40K equivalent of the Flashman Papers (with a bit of added Blackadder). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flashman_Papers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Flashman
@jtho8937 11 місяців тому
What about Gaunt's Ghosts?
@templar804 11 місяців тому
@@garygcrook TvTropes, at least, makes this direct comparison. Cain's less skeevy than Flashman or Blackadder as far as I'm aware, but it's still apt.
@Samus5164 11 місяців тому
The Deathwatch shotgun uses mainly three different types of ammo: wyrmbreath, cryptclearer, and xenopurge, being essentially dragon's breath, exploding buckshot, and I can't find specifics on what the xenopurge ammo is since it's less often talked about than the other two. In essence it's, yeah, a scaled-up shotgun. Probably talking what is essentially the equivalent of a 2 or 4 gauge compared to our 10s and 12s. The ammo is not entirely like the Bolter ammunition though, since the Bolter is essentially firing a bullet that then activates the rocket on the rear to launch the bullet at higher speeds, since the recoil from launching a projectile that large by itself would make even a space marine unable to handle the gun well.
@paulshaw3907 11 місяців тому
It is also pump action to swap ammo types on the fly without a full reload
@Schproemftell 11 місяців тому
As for the Plasmagun overcharging and hurting the player is actually based on the Tabletop version where it then can even result in fatal malfunction and well these are also called ,,Sun-Weapons" as they fire miniature suns and a space marine armor provides "just" little protection against that
@Taffer-bx7uc 11 місяців тому
"To a Space Marine, the boltgun is far more than a weapon; it is an instrument of Mankind's divinity, the bringer of death to his foes. Its howling blast is a prayer to the gods of battle."
@Whitewingdevil 11 місяців тому
The Bolter has no shoulder stock of course because the Space Marine holding it is wearing a powered exoskeleton capable of controlling what recoil there is, when you see models of normal humans using them (not common, but there are a couple) they tend to be fired from the shoulder rather than the hip like a Space Marine would.
@stamfordly6463 11 місяців тому
The Melta... Gunner Ferik Jurgen's favourite weapon, popular with those around him too because not only does it put large holes in enemies but the small of ozone and burning things temporarily drowns out Jurgen's own skunk-felling bouquet. Jonathan might be more familiar with Ciaphas Cain as a 40K combination of Blackadder and George MacDonald Fraser's Flashman and Gnr Jurgen as a combination of Baldrick and G M-F's notoriously filthy Pte MacAuslan.
@Daktangle 11 місяців тому
Has anyone explained to Jonathan that Imperial tech is incredibly varied? From stone age spears and bows all the way up to weapons that tear holes in the fabric of reality?
@raccoonking7566 5 місяців тому
Isn't there a tank/cannon round that utilises the dying scream of a planet to cause earthquakes?
@ballistic9644 19 днів тому
@@raccoonking7566quake cannon
@aurenian8247 11 місяців тому
From memory, the reason space marine weapons don't have stocks is because the powered armour exoskeleton does all the recoil compensation.
@adamcaldwell4345 11 місяців тому
The armour of contempt thing is more about being immune to corruption. Its pretty hard to be swayed by someone or something you have nothing but contempt for.
@thewinterprince1731 11 місяців тому
My idea for how boltgun bullets work: Rocket-propelled bullet with a kickstart, basically. The case is loaded like any other cased round, but then the bullet itself has extra fuel within it. When the bullet is fired, it's blasted out like any other bullet, but that blast also ignites the bullet's fuel, allowing it to keep velocity and possibly increasing said velocity until the fuel runs out.
@BloodWolfXZ 11 місяців тому
Keeping the clips in the video of Dave explaining the Warhammer concepts is a good call. I'd like to see this style continue.
@MaybyAGhost 11 місяців тому
2:00 - There's something brilliant about seeing Jonathan basically dual-wielding these two large gyro jet pistols, especially knowing he's of smaller stature. Definitely the most intimidating museum curator out there! DO NOT touch the guns!
@vzerby 11 місяців тому
Pushing as always for you guys to have Johnathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well.
@bloodrunsclear 11 місяців тому
I loved the description of the Bolt Gun round I heard once: a 75mm brick attached to a firecracker
@w4rpf1nnlad 11 місяців тому
.75 cal
@Dom_Maretti 11 місяців тому
75mm would be just under 300 caliber...ouch.
@gi5epi_579 11 місяців тому
The Heavy Bolter actually does fire its bolts electronically. Bolt guns also eject casings because the cartridge is two stages, a conventiaonal primer is set off and then the rocket propulsion ignites as it leaves the barrel of the Bolter.
@invictusangelica 11 місяців тому
The boltgun ammo is cased as it's a two-staged ammo system with a conventional powder charge to launch the bullet from the gun then the rocket booster on the bullet ignites, pushing the projectile to the target, effectively either giving it more acceleration or to remove the decelleration of the bullet
@jackthereaper5560 8 місяців тому
"A vengeace launcher?" "that sounds promising"
@philritter9042 2 місяці тому
Johnathan explaining these type of guns is always a joy to watch
@AntonAdelson 11 місяців тому
ARE WE not going to talk about how CASUAL Jonathan just holds the gyrojet bullet inside that piece of wood?!?! That's a VERY famous gyrojet round to me!! Wait, did Jono just suggest a shotgun with mini bolter rounds as shot???
@chrisbgoodv2178 11 місяців тому
Yea, he did, which doesn't make much sense. But nothing in 40k really makes sense.
@jamesnorman9160 11 місяців тому
The heavy bolter is far and away my favourite weapon in the game. It might take up half the screen with its muzzle flash and with the massive cartridges flying out of it, but I don't care. It's perfect for killing absolutely every heretic in the room in seconds. Well, that and the meltagun, which is absolutely devastating.
@Thegreatkrok 11 місяців тому
I appreciate the cut-ins of the host providing more information, very nice as both a bit of extra lore and knowing what the guest is basing their thoughts around. More Warhammer! I've love Jonathan to see Tau and Eldar weapons.
@bilateralrope8643 11 місяців тому
Then Ork weapons. Just to mess with him.
@brycevo 3 місяці тому
"My armor is contempt, my sword is hatred, my shield is disgust, in the Emperor's name, let none survive." The full quote
@law5121 11 місяців тому
Can you please do either one of these: The exotic weapons of the division 1&2 or necrovision (WW1 "horror" shooter)
@1IGG 11 місяців тому
Necrivision was such a great game. On the best 1st person melee executions.
@sauronmauron6965 11 місяців тому
Johnathan ready to pull out the gyrojet gun,again😂 Hold on there are two this time
@DFloyd84 11 місяців тому
My interpretation of the cased boltgun cartridge is that it's a two-stage rocket: a traditional powder charge kicks the warhead down the barrel to give it a boost before the rocket engine engages, which explains why the gun ejects a case despite firing a projectile that doesn't need one.
@barrybend7189 11 місяців тому
2:44 bolters are cased because they are two stage launched. The first stage is conventional reactants while the second stage is the rocket motor. Like a mini Sturmtiger cannon round.
@BSRaven 11 місяців тому
The more I look at it, the more I realise that the Shotgun here is like a really elaborate KS-23, but cut down to a super-shorty...
@under-chonker 11 місяців тому
I would like to see Jonathan reacting to the weapons of Warframe
@buntamara5491 11 місяців тому
Haha, that would be multiple videos worth, or specific weapons you got mind?
@under-chonker 11 місяців тому
@@buntamara5491 maybe the weapons of each faction: grineer, corpus, tenno, infested, sentient
@HighRaptorjr 11 місяців тому
After having looked at the individual bolts of the Bolter, watching them spit out the side alongside the fact it's still gyrojet. I have to say it could be a two-stage projectile. It would also explain the blast from the muzzle and the sound of it firing. First stage is a standard bullet, gunpowder reaction shoots the warhead out the front and the jets kick in for stability and extra velocity. Fun Fact: The Boltgun/Bolter is a .75 Caliber. The Heavy Bolter is a .998 Caliber
@labrat810 11 місяців тому
I can only imagine the number of people that have tried, but: I need a "12 Gauge" in 2-stage gyrojet. Fun Fact: "Twelve-Gauge" shotguns come in bore diameters varying from a tight 'nearly 13 gauge' (.7165) on some European shotguns to 10 gauge (.775) on the Mossberg 935. (SAAMI/US 12ga bore is 'normally' 0.731)
@TheDeinonychus 11 місяців тому
The reason bolter rounds (and any bolt weapon, including heavy bolters and some even larger weapons) are cased despite using a system like the gyrojet pistols is that the case holds only a 'kick-charge' that's meant to accelerate the projectile out of the barrel and ignite the primary charge. Once out of the barrel, the round continues to accelerate under it's own propulsion. This solves a problem with previous gyrojet weapons, in that the projectile has much lower muzzle velocity compared to a standard bullet, and require a minimum distance to reach max speed. Using the kick-charge, a bolter has a higher muzzle velocity and requires far less distance to get up to full speed.
@r.lum.r 11 місяців тому
I now want to see Johnathan try to hold up a Bolter replica of an adequate size and weight. I just want to see a regular man hold what a Space Marine does. Like one of the infantryman holding Captain Titus’s weapon for a sec while he adjusts his helmet. Lol
@HolyDeviant1 11 місяців тому
The scale of Space Marines is really frankly absurd. There's a line in Receiver 2 about the Desert Eagle, how the weapon was chosen for Arnold in Terminator because other guns would *look like toys*, and the Bolters are very similar. Space Marines are like eight feet tall OUT OF ARMOR, built like fridges, and can handle recoil and heft that would render a normal operator useless after two shots. A bolter is like, half a man's torso.
@w4rpf1nnlad 11 місяців тому
@@HolyDeviant1 When did arnold used desert eagle in terminator?
@calvincameron354 11 місяців тому
@HolyDeviant1 Arnold didn't use a desert eagle in the terminator he used a .45,t2 he used a lever action shotgun
@jacobfarley2332 11 місяців тому
@w4rpf1nnlad76 he uses one in Last Action Hero and Raw Deal
@w4rpf1nnlad 11 місяців тому
@@jacobfarley2332 Well they are not terminator movies right?
@potatoface4698 11 місяців тому
Can we all agree that Jonathan is one of the most wholesome people on UKposts? 😊
@rautamiekka 11 місяців тому
Hard to argue.
@goreobsessed2308 11 місяців тому
That's actually why Their cased rounds some of the earlier rogue trader material before 40k proper had bolters do caseless exploding ammo but it got changed back later persumedly cause cased rounds look more iconic. Even later it's great for video games and cinematic seeing shells fly
@Lunite76 11 місяців тому
Would love to see Jonathan cover Ultrakill's arsenal! It has a revolver that throws a coin, and when the coin is shot, it ricochets into the nearest enemy's weakpoint. It also has a shotgun with an alt fire grenade launcher, and the regular fire can be punched (called a projectile boost). The railcannon has the most variants, most notably the malicious railcannon that can be paired with the core eject (the grenade on the blue shotgun) to create a red explosion, called a Core Nuke. There are an extremely large number of combinations to pull off and try, you'll just have to figure out most of them yourself.
@phucletran2860 11 місяців тому
Call me a nerd, but if i remember correct , the volkite laser is the predecessor of the bolte. It was preceded by bolter because it was difficult too mass produce for marine legions pre-horus heresy.
@CannonGerbil 11 місяців тому
Yeah, the guy got the broad details right but the timeline off, bolters replaced volkite weapons during the great crusade because they couldn't make enough volkites to outfit the millions of space marines, not because of technical decline post heresy.
@dimitris2936 11 місяців тому
So is the caliver more powerful?
@spacetaz3382 11 місяців тому
Yes, it is more powerful than a bolter
@dimitris2936 11 місяців тому
@@spacetaz3382 Thanks.
@KT-pv3kl 11 місяців тому
volkite weapons were initially planned as standard armaments for the imperial guard together with land's raider (yes this is it's real preheresy name) and predator tanks. bolters were a stopgap measure of the emperor as his thunder warriors needed a cheap yet powerful weapon that could be produced and supplied by the millions on Terra itself with a pityfull industrial base as it was still a post-apocalyptic hellhole at the time. space marines were planned to be equipped with plasma and gravitic weapons for the most part with different legions specializing in different weapon technologies. when things started to get sideways long before the heresy big E opened his stockpiles to the fire legion who to this day have most of the guns the emperor planned to use for the entire adeptus astartes which is why they are using so many "rare" plasma weapons as well as "other" (*coughs*enslaved men of iron *coughsininquisition*) special toys.
@notimportant768 11 місяців тому
If i recall my 40k lore correctly the gyrojets are first fired like a normal bullet and then accellerate
@batteredwarrior 11 місяців тому
I mean...that isn't 40K lore. That's a gun fact.
@notimportant768 11 місяців тому
@@batteredwarrior actually the gyro jet guns just accelerate like tiny rockets, no initial blast
@patrikhjorth3291 5 місяців тому
Btw, I love the fact that Jonathan goes into a lengthy explanation of the history of electrically primed ammunition in order to _not_ have to nitpick the lack of dimples on cases ejected from the Heavy Bolter. This man is the perfect person for this job.
@dude11579 11 місяців тому
I enjoy having this little back and forth with Jonathan being given little bits of in-game context
@AE1OU 11 місяців тому
Please make a video breakdown on *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* weapons. So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone.
@r.lum.r 11 місяців тому
YES YES YES. Especially since the entire premise is so grounded a specific time period of the Cold War, AND with the focus that Snake himself has on evaluating the combat readiness of specific weapons. This is a great idea
@chadfrerichs2611 11 місяців тому
Fun fact: Lore states that the Heavy bolter has electronic Ignition. There isnt primers on the cases because it indeeds fire through electric means. Its fire rate is substanially higher in lore compared to its smaller cousins. (Though not depicted in game, probably due to balancing the gun for gameplay)
@Zinkhar 11 місяців тому
The fire rate is kind of represented in the game. Currently, bolters get 1 shot, or two if you can rapid fire. Heavy bolters get 3 shots all the time and do twice as much damage. Edit: I just realized you probably meant in Boltgun, not actual 40k. Oops.
@AlexNovakim 11 місяців тому
A great analysis as always. What I enjoy most about these videos is that Jonathan has knowledge about games as well
@decnal24 11 місяців тому
I enjoyed the back and forth between Dave and Jonathan this episode, I've been watching since this series started and had seen Jonathan on other channels before. Love the content keep it up :)
@IrregularDave 11 місяців тому
Thank you!
@TCRP117 11 місяців тому
Would love to see this series tackle the weapons in Starship Troopers Extermination. I think those would be well within Jonathan's wheelhouse, especially given the real-life inspiration/models from the films being actual firearms covered in greeblies. If you're lacking in a weapon count or just a glutton for punishment I guess you could also reach back to Strangelite's effort at a ST fps to make up the numbers. Fantastic video once again guys.
@deadsignal7723 11 місяців тому
Normally when a plasma gun overheats it explodes killing everyone in a 5m radius, so they decided to tone it down for the game and just make it hurt you instead.
@MegaSim3 11 місяців тому
4:55 "I think the Rule-of-Cool is sufficently powerful in this context that even I am obliged to not care about that" Man, he's just wonderful, this moment was hilarious 17:53 I love how Jonathan makes this Star Trek comparsion in such good faith
@glitterboy2098 10 місяців тому
honestly he's probably not far off.. Volkite weapons in the fluff don't really go into the mechanics of how they work, other than their beams cause the targets to catch on fire. so "phaser" is probably the best description of what apparently is some sort of heat ray.
@sbraypaynt 11 місяців тому
This based on the assumption that not everyone in the comments is a 40k aficionado (which they probably are already) but: Melta gun induces a fusion reaction within the ammunition canister and projects the heat directly out of the barrel at close range turning everything in front of it including the air into plasma, whereas the Volkite weapon directs a concentrated beam of thermal energy along a path turning anything at the end into ash and usually-if it hits an organic being-instantly vaporizing them and often promoting an oxidising fire explosion setting fire to the air and anything nearby.
@theblackbaron4119 11 місяців тому
The Emperor protects!
@tylorcarson2486 11 місяців тому
The Emperor Provides!
@CAP198462 11 місяців тому
The Mon’keigh god-king?
@mikeoxmall69420 Місяць тому
A bolter certainly helps
@sleepingsnorlax9948 11 місяців тому
For the plasma rifle, yeah they’re not used oftentimes because they tend to explode on their user. They’re effective and deal heavy damage but even in the game, if you roll a 1 with a plasma gun it blows up. They’re reliably unreliable.
@uUuWolf16uUu 8 місяців тому
Actually, artifact plasma weapons are very reliable. Aka the original, well made plasma weapons. The modern ones are a shadow of their former selves. One of the primarchs has a original plasma weapon, never overheats or explodes. I think that was the primarch of the salamanders.
@ScorpionRox 11 місяців тому
Am I the only one that got SUPER happy with the Ciaphas Cain and Jurgen shoutout during this episode??? Absolutely LOVE that book series!
@IrregularDave 11 місяців тому
Death or Glory is one of my personal favourites. I really loved the Mad Max X Ork vibe
@ScorpionRox 11 місяців тому
@Dave -IrregularDave- Jewitt I am literally listening to that one now, well Wil be again in a moment as I get back o the road for work. Lol (Just finished The Traitor's Hand)
@Bob-Dole-Hole 5 місяців тому
Love his cheerfulness and open-mindedness towards every subject matter.
@Toadaboticus 11 місяців тому
I love about the 40k universe is that while a lot of these are futuristic in terms, the Non-Unique, un-reproducible Ancient weapons were replaced overtime with mass-produced kinetic based downgrades so they can be easily repaired and maintained in combat while a more advanced energy type weapon might not be able to so without the proper Tech Priest.
@Civfan26 11 місяців тому
Fun fact about plasma guns. On the tabletop for Imperial armies, since its a D6 tabletop game, when you tell a model to fire a plasma gun and supercharge it but roll a 1, your model's plasma gun explodes and usually either instantly kills your model or maims them (if they are a character/hero unit usually)
@Verminion777 11 місяців тому
It would be great to see Jonathan react to the firearms of Receiver 2, the attention to detail in that game is insane
@dalokohs3901 11 місяців тому
2:30 The reason the Bolter rounds are still cased is that the rockets are still fired like a bullet, with propellant inside the casing being ignited by a primer. The reason for this is that the round already starts at a high velocity when fired, meaning it doesn't need to use time and fuel to do it with the jets. That's what I've heard, at least.
@toaolisi761 11 місяців тому
I can't wait to play this game. It looks mad fun. Great breakdown from Jonathan. Sure hope Dead Space is on the list.
@MajorSmurf 11 місяців тому
I am kind of curious whether you could get the rights for him to react to the Astrates series to break down the weapons in that and show them in their full gritty glory. From what I remember you have a bolter, plasma gun, laser cannon, anti infantry LMG's (Maybe some others I'm forgetting). Okay it isn't a game but it is tied to a game franchise.
@andrewe2057 10 місяців тому
I love that Johnathan understands and respects the "rule of cool" and the concept of video game balance. While he's a gun guy, he's also a video game guy and gets into the lore of the universe.
@Zoraxon 11 місяців тому
A potential reason for having cases on bolter bolts is to allow for a "soft launch" like what we see with the javelin (and I think the stinger but I'm not 100% on that) where it has two charges. A lower pressure one to get the shot out of the tube, and the full power one to propel to the target.
@DanTheMan10293 11 місяців тому
It might have already been said but, the reason the bolter ejects cases is that the projectile is initialy launched conventionaly then after leaving the barrel its rockets ignite. Why do they do this? who knows - it looks cool though👍
@danghostman2814 11 місяців тому
I wonder if anyone has actually tried putting a rocket into a casing with a charge? Sounds mildly dangerous, but could be an interesting experiment.
@SergeyWaytov 11 місяців тому
Wh40k got fun guns, but Titanfall 2 part 2 when, please?
@andrewfranges7807 11 місяців тому
I really appreciate seeing the conversations between Dave and Jonathan.
@IrregularDave 11 місяців тому
I'll take any excuse to chat about Warhammer haha
@HellbirdIV 11 місяців тому
The silliness of the Bolter firing caseless rocket ammunition that for some reason still ejects a casing is actually the result of a conflict between the creators and the artists, back in the 80s. Specifically, the creators at GW *did* make the Bolters caseless on purpose, and early Bolter sculpts didn't have ejection ports. But the artists who drew the covers, Codex illustrations etc were all heavy metal inspired and so couldn't resist the urge to add flying brass and hundreds of spent shell casings laying at the feet of the badass supersoldiers they were drawing. Rather than telling them to stop, GW eventually retconned the Bolter to fire two-stage ammunition, with a brass case containing the starter charge and a rocket motor in the bullet once it leaves the barrel.
@HIT14MAN2 11 місяців тому
Do SAO Fatal Bullet and COD Advanced Warfare
@killtryray6643 11 місяців тому
7th or something idk
@Hellberch1 11 місяців тому
The Plasma Gun getting hot and hurting you is another Easter egg to the good old fashion "Get Hot" rule that all Imperial Plasma weapons had at one time (not sure if its still a thing as not played since 5th Ed)
@Beowulf-sn8ir 11 місяців тому
6:23 The contempt thing is in reference to the quote "My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred. In the name of the Emperor let none survive." In gameplay terms your armor is actually contempt which is pretty funny. Oh they say this in the video, I paused to leave the comment.
@mattias969 6 місяців тому
Hello former Swedish army dude here. The way a shaped charge in for example the Carl Gustaf grg works is like how you said there is a pin made of copper in the conical charge that turns into a welding rod almost and melta through the armor and thereby turning the pressure in the armored vehicle into non survivable levels along with massive heat.
@autarchprinceps 11 місяців тому
Bolters are cased, because they still get accelerated like normal ammunition. The rocket aspect is additional & timed to ignite after leaving the muzzle. There is a whole in universe explanation about how that fine tuning makes them too complex to be wasted on your average infantrymen, etc. And I suspect out of universe they wanted the effect of massive cases falling down and significant recoil even on a space marine strength level.
@fjshdf 4 місяці тому
2:40 as I recall, lore-wise they're hybrid rounds, using both gyrojet style rockets and more traditional powder for an initial kick. Gets around the gyrojet problem of low initial velocity.
@Phunny1 11 місяців тому
So as far as I remember as per a lore video by the templin institue on bolt weapons and how they work: The bolt round is apparently a cased rocket projectile that uses a pressurized gasses and the usual explosion to accelerate up until it leaves the barrel after which time the rocket propellant is ignited to continue acceleration. Basically every different length of barrel has a different tuning of when the rocket ignites, and this is achieved by advanced tech and manufacturing on a planetary scale, and a sacred religious reverence for the production of the weapon and ammo.
@archer8492 9 місяців тому
It's cool having Dave explaining some of the fictional background of things when it helps Jonathan to contextualize them better for explanations or finding real-world parallels. I have zero knowledge of or interest in Warhammer, but hearing someone who's a nerd about something explain it to someone else is always fun.
@gokbay3057 11 місяців тому
To add something on the Volkite, other than being an older gun that was mostly replaced due to the general loss of technology stuff is that it is essentially a radiation gun rather than just a laser (as laser based weaponary are what the regular guardsmen use. Lasgun, the space AK-47).
@mikebrodhead 11 місяців тому
These are always delightful. I need to put the Royal Armouries on my list for whenever I make it back to the UK.
@unchartedrocks1 11 місяців тому
I would love to see a top 10 over the top absurd guns that John loves that he wishes were real.
@lowenergyvideos4658 11 місяців тому
Dunno Jonathan ever has done this or thought to do this but I would love to see his own creation of video game weapons for different settings. I mean the man is literally a expert on this and has been seeing so many different styles of game & gun that he mite come up with something pretty cool.
@templar804 11 місяців тому
I'd love to see a video on Planetside 2 with Jonathan, particularly with how that game uses the term "Gauss Rifle" to mean "conventional bullet with coilgun assist".
@Mx.Canada 11 місяців тому
Jonathan is so wholesome, I love watching him gush about guns and love the fact that he covers fictional stuffs and looks genuinely interested in learning about them.
@Cousin_Uli 11 місяців тому
"Bolts" are usually depicted as having a two stage propulsion system. There's an initial propellant charge in the case that kicks the round down the barrel, and then after exiting the rocket kicks in and accelerates it to it's destination where it detonates after penetrating the target or detonates against a harder surface.
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