The we use 5.56 to wound has been debunked about a million times over. The military has never been and never will be trained to wound. This also assumes that whoever you're fighting gives a crao about thier wounded man. In the middle east they aren't us they would be just as apt to take the wounded rifle and continue fighting.

people did this in ww2 and you know what we called what they did after the war?............ war crimes

Thanks for the reply, valid points!

I concur; although, have you seen anyone stopping to aid anyone lately

@@wormwoodfive398 pretty much all OIS aid is rendered to the badguy doesn't get the same play time cause you know "narratives"

It's failed in a few calibers, big time...

Most gunshot victims live

@@nathancummins8728because most criminals are bad shots

@@whisper8742other types of rounds fail other calibers too

@@nathancummins8728 only if its a pistol...

hence my comment in the video about why fmj is important. It makes sure you don't miss with your defensive loads

@unclefreedom213 I think you're too hung up on this defensive load stuff. Some of it is great, don't get me wrong, but I think you're doing a disservice to your audience by telling them FMJ's are not a viable option. Especially when you consider the current economic state and what's actually commonly available. No potential threat is going to care what ammo you used after getting shot in the face. Again, shot placement is everything. Training is key.

@@airborneivan "Man, I sure am glad that guy is shooting at me with just regular ol' ball ammo!" lol Don't get me wrong, I love this guy's videos and his opinion on things, but @UncleFreedom I think the idea of defensive loads is kind of irrelevant - longevity, in my opinion, is far more desirable in any SHTF scenario... I have never been shot at, never served or anything like that. But I do know for a fact that anyone that has been shot at, probably wasn't thinking to themselves "Oh shit, i really hope that guy isn't using 77gr Mk262 black hills ammo". I also do not think most of us civilians would be able to shoot sub MOA groups at 100yds under immense stress of being fired at.... I'd rather have 10,000 rounds of M855 than 5,000 of the gucciest ammo available.

Exactly

@@WillPerry-ez9rn WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!! In spades! Got multiple flavors of ammo on hand - The key is putting shots on target. Everything else is meaningless jabber. Punch holes that let the blood fall out. Mission accomplished. Doesn't matter if it's 20-30 cents (OK, OK, so inflation made that number obsolete before I even hit "post") a shot FMJ, or the latest, greatest, ultra-mega-mondo super-duper 10 dollars per round ammo.

think of what they can do now that they have 1billion worth of high quality arms from the usa. i bet we left alot of ammo too. we probably left it so they would kill each other with it

@Sageofthe16 yet we went hand across America because some guy lost his canteen or getting counseling because I "misplaced" a headspace&timing gauge for the M2

@unclefreedom213 from what i understood, the guys who were in Afghanistan were told to leave personally issued gear, and not worry about it, only to get billed for it after returning home.

Spot on Doc, thanks!

I love it when tech nerds get debunked by real life experience.

First, thank you for your work in the ER and the countless lives you saved. Something I always wondered, do you get all the GSWs into your ER or is there a more benign subset with muscle tissue pass throughs that get treated somewhere else? Thx

You show a great ammount of knowledge about the rounds ballistcs and pro and cons about this or that ammo . I appreciate you sharing that with us here and it is interesting. I see a small problem when people are getting lost in their religously believe in what works and what not works anymore just because something is a little better than the other .There is no doubt that hollowpoints are better regarding stopping power . I call myself halfway knowledgable when it comes to guns and ammo. In the end a hole is a hole and fmj will kill you as dead as every other bullet. And in every decent caliber fmj will always penetrate enough Fmj will kill and take you out the fight. especially in a shtf situation when no emergency room is working any more. First thing to have is a working gun and a bullet that will reliably go bang when you pull the trigger. Second is that the bullet needs to have the penetration to punch throu vital regions of the target which leeds to the main point - you gotta hit that spot. Everything else , all the benefits of expanding bullets etc are just a slight improvement . Yes , you should have premium self defense ammo in your personal firearms you should test it for reliability in your gun and you should have a couple boxes of it stashed. The other main reason why law enforcement and civilians are usig HP- ammo is that you do not want to hit bystanders because of overpenetration and legal reasons . For an shtf i would feel not undergunned if all i had was fmj .A quality fmj will always feed better and more reliable than any hollow point , it will penetrate obstacles better and it costs maybe a third.If I stash ammo for shtf - and i do in an - for me reasonable amount -it is quality brand fmj. I gues everybody does according to his prioritys . Chances are imho pretty good that in any realistic shtf situations most other things are of way more importance than that if my ammo is fmj or hp. You can have the best gun and gear and the newest technology gear but it will make no difference when a low life shoots you a .22 l.r. bulk pack round nose bullet into your backhead to get your stuff. Probably we will die of old age before we went trough the first box of our stashed ammo for shtf reasons. For me its having a reliable gun or a couple , practise with it on a regular base and to have a certain ammount of reliable ammo stored. Then i call it done. To many others things to do.

Good info doc

Problem with thousands. Who is going to carry this weight out. In a vehicle maybe. But different guns; different calibers. It’s ALL weight. If SHTF carry a mag or two for 2/3 firearms and bury the rest secretly. If you’re still alive you can get ammunition and maybe upgrades. It all comes down to weight. I’d rather carry an extra canteen of water on hikes.

@@user-fj7vm9fz2h It's about continually training not carrying it all.

​@@user-fj7vm9fz2h been saying that for decades.. Why stockpile thousands of ammo for SHTF scenario when you can only carry a couple of pounds worth.

@@im2lostIn SHTF, you wouldn’t want to be alone, so having a stockpile would allow you to give some to friends, family members, neighbors, etc. in your clan who are less prepared and of course you can always barter for food, batteries or other items

​@@larryh311plus, if you have the ability to bug in and it's the wiser choice for the scenario, you won't have to worry about moving it all. You'll have the extra stocked up. I do think it's smart to bury extra arms and ammo in case you have to bug out from your home for any reason. Having a hidden stash would really be beneficial.

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And you win the common sense award…..Thank you.

Right, its the same thinking that says "don't carry a 22LR " I've yet to find people willing to get shot by it.

What about the kid on the other side of him when it goes right through him?

"And if anyone actually thinks a FMJ is inferior, ineffective, or obsolete. Stand down range." EXACTLY! Forget criticizing someone's 9mm or rifle ammo stocks....all of that is easy to kill/disable with. Sh!t, today's pellet guns can do some good damage. Most of these experts have not been shot to honestly say it doesn't matter what you get shot with.

Is it ok if I use wheel weight lead in .45colt and 45-70? I do have other stuff but it's just hunting and varment stuff . Ball ammo I have may even be corrosive.

@@daleharvey3278 Cast for big heavy slow bullets is fine for shorter ranges. It beats harsh language or a rock. I use a lot or cast LRN for subsonic .308, where jacketed is an unnecessary extra cost. 45Colt isn't a long range cartridge, 45-70 really isn't either. Cast will kill something just as dead as any bullet if placed properly. If it's what you got then go for it. If the 45-70 will kill an 1,800lb cape buffalo then it should take anything ya want. And lots of people in the old days were dispatched with a 45colt.Just don't expect any anti armor or barrier capability.

Lol

@@daleharvey3278 Most wheel weights *used* to be lead, but a lot of them are aluminum now, so make sure it is lead and I would suggest adding around 2-3% Antimony and the same of Tin by volume. This should give you a solid hard-cast lead bullet that will work better at higher velocities and help prevent leading. I would recommend using a copper gas check for the .45-70 if you intend to bump up velocity past around 850-900 fps. Haven't dealt with it in a while so there may be better options available than what i've mentioned here.

Yep,always.

5000 gives you more opportunities to practice

true shot placement is paramount but I'll still take better bullet design with great placement

​@@unclefreedom213how many people have you killed? What works best?

Were you in military? Id number? I can see how many confirmed kills you have

Sure it is..nerves are shot , BP up, fear , adrenalin up, lead flying at you in all directions.. No such thing as shot placement druring that time .everyone think they are or gona be a Rambo or like on tv..

@@hondaservicecenter getting mighty defensive for a honda fan

well with my previous life and current one not so worried about the stressor of a two way range.

Thank you… guntubers are getting cringe AF 🤦🏾‍♂️

Hp is better but I agree , everyone thinks they gonna be Rambo or the 5-10-up to 50 bad guys that surround them isn't going to have weapons and or shoot back ..or tv has spoilt them to think cover is walls or whatever with as small as a .22 will go through.. Reality is we all better hope it never comes to that loss of life is the wost possible thing and not to sound religious but we all should be pray to god peace for all and everyone gets along and helps eacother

I was hoping the mindset videowould do better than it did I cover most of the real truth behind how it works

I create educational content lol I wish I was a guntoober them boys make bank

I mean I did say that it was a terrible financial decision. Yep shock works but the temp cavity and shock is much better with a round that always performs

@Tmanowns thank you. Defensive Load's offer incremental performance increases just to do the same job where shot placement is of a much higher priority.

@unclefreedom213 it's always performing, it's just not NEARLY as effective. Right now, hollows are vital in a home defense and hunting scenario. No doubt about it, that in the event of a break in, you want them dead, and for you to not deal with the hassle of a lying survivor claiming something else happened. And the less rounds you put in them, the easier your defense case will be. In a SHTF situation, volume of fire is vital. Even if you're able to afford a lot of ammo, being able to afford 4 to 5 times as much is better. But, to each their own. You're financially able to afford more quality ammo, and that's awesome! But I know I would pick ammo that performs at 80%, with 2-3 times the stockpile. God bless, and thanks for the reply!

@Tmanowns I will always advocate having better performing rounds in a gunfight I don't want marginal or it could do this or even the shot placement argument. I agree shot placement is paramount but you're not gonna 1 shot stop a guy in a running gunfight even in Sims force on force with highly competent accurate shooters. Low percentage shots and incapacitating shots are minimal even from 30 feet away. And this is with guys who've all seen the elephant, know what to expect and are pinpoint marksman. Shot placement goes right out the window on a two way range, so in my mind I would rather my primary ammo be as nasty as possible if I connect with thier hip joint, gut, thigh hell even thier arm. I'm all for having a ton of 193 I have close to 50k rounds of it but it is not and never will be my primary. Always love a good debate, thanks for being sporting about it vs most of what I get..... Grrrrrr you're wrong because I spent money on this ammo and the military uses it. Makes my day to have a good intelligent convo with yall. Cheers

Fmjs will always be better at hard barrier penetration (ie cover or armor) than soft point or hollow point ammo because of penetration. That's why they use it in war. Expanding rounds are for civilian use because it functions better on unarmed and no cover targets. Use the right tool for the job. Both are good.

Precisely my comment - so I see you beat me to it. Well done....

bull shit. a wounded man can still potentially fight. end the threat, dead enemy is also demoralizing. make the risk exponentially higher than the reward.

@@wisewhiterabbit I love when smooth brain people respond thinking they know everything.... It's a well known tactic, look it up!

@@JohnDoeTheTroll it's also well debunked.

@@wisewhiterabbit Mmk... if you say so

What are some good sites to get gold and silver

@@kelshotssThere’s so many good spots. I personally use Silver Gold Bull. Easy ordering and fast shipping.

@@kelshotss US Mint has a list on their site but uou can also get both from Walmart or Costco shipped to your door.

Put a Binary Trigger in it. Lol.

Work on that grip strength

I’ve done the same thing with my home defense gun and my every day carry gun. I’ve staggered FMJ and JHP rounds.

Yea and it sucks! Watch videos of vets and there stories of when they took there 45's and gave them m92's with the baby 9mm.and all the bad stories with they switch from .40 to 9mm how thousands wanted there .40's back because they worked way better

@@hopebrowning6300 Nobody ever asked for their .40 back, don't lie lol. The .40 is literally the worst of both worlds, it's a pathetically weak 10mm at best.

@@billyholman4495 Convert that 40 to 357 sig and you've got the best hammer in a small package there is.

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yes pretty solid, not the best SD so a little inconsistent in the load but overall moa capable and the bullet is good

Yes, and work very well for hunting as well.

stalk

For +p power try to get something that the fps is 1,200fps or says NATO like Winchester white box NATO will feel like +P rounds

@@rico989 Many thanks

correct we didn't but we did however fall in line. Also the gubmemt is cheap and and will simplify logistics perfect storm

@@unclefreedom213 we did it because it was cheap, not because of the convention. My MK211 Raufoss rounds I used in Afghanistan are a prime example of us not abiding by the Hague Convention

@RickSanchez167 you're still off base but probably not for the reason you think. I love the m107 and m82a1 and everyone loved the M2. The ammo Mk211, AP, APT, API, APIT, Ball, etc. We never followed any rule and neither does any other country in regards to 50 cars or 12.7 soviet or the 14s. So why is that? The heavy bored rifle and machine gun is a purpose built anit material rifle and ammo ecosystem. Do we use it only for that hell no, but I can tell you the 50 round is list in our inventory as anti material and not anti personnel.

9mm would be 135gr +p critical duty, 124 gr+p good dot or HST, 5.56 would be fiocchi loading of vmax, or winchester sbsp 64gr

Thank you

⁠@@unclefreedom213So I’ve got Hornady Black 75 grain saved, as well as some MK 262. Mostly because my stores if they don’t have one they have the other, so that’s how it went. Should I choose to keep stockpiling both? Or should I move to just stockpiling one? If so which would you choose? And I use SPEER Gold Dot for Handgun Ammo. Is that fairly acceptable?

@@silasmadden5159 The best thing you can do is not listen to the guy in the video. For up close defensive rounds, use HP for anything else stick with FMJ.

@@silasmadden5159just buy cheap stuff and actually practice. Bullets are OP

I agree other stuff is more important but I will always view guns and ammo as an equalizer. Where are these elites you speak of Robin Hood time

@@unclefreedom213 I agree. As far as those elites' you know their names and you know what they've been doing to the people.

This is terrible advice. Don't waste you money. FMJ is perfectly fine. Especially 55grain softcore.

Ya after watching more videos and rewatching a section I missed in this video I can see how Application and What you can afford is definitely more important and for someone like me with hardly any shooting experience and wants to start shooting, buying a few thousand rounds of fmj is good for me. Fmj better than nothin

@@evllve1441 Do you want a good round performance wise, 55grain is good. M193 is the military designation. 55 grain has a soft lead core, and if it's moving around 3000 fps and hits a human target, the round fragments. It's a well proven effective round.

@@evllve1441 Freedom Munitions makes a 42 grain zinc core bullet as well, slightly less pricey and a bit faster, better at penetrating kevlar. Not very accurate past a few hundred yards though from what I hear.

so you prefer to use a less effective round, not judging I don't have to be at YOUR gunfight.

They've been around a long time old times were turning around wadcutters, Keith bullets were drilled out and we ran soft bullets that flattened. Prior to that most died from infection from the wound

The first bullets were pure lead, in other words, EXPANDING. This was the standard for several centuries.

I like your comment,something to the affect of"if you don't get plugged right out of the gate". I agree that you shouldn't handicap yourself ever. if you have 5k FMJ maybe take it and get some training. as you train with it replace it with some good stuff.

solid round with an excellent bullet only issue I've had is they are not as consistent as far as SD and ES go as the Black Hills variant

100 percent 55gr 193 in this role possible even a otm 60gr. In this role is where fmj shines suppressive fire, accuracy by volume, recon by fire. otm 60 would have better terminal but I would still take m193 for this

@@unclefreedom213 Thanks for the quick and descriptive reply! I love your videos and agree with much of what you preach. Keep up the great work!

@PlainsmansCabin anytime my friend these videos are meant to spark debate and force people to think. As you can see from some of the comments people get big mad when you tell them there's an issue with what they stock. But sometimes just sometimes, people stop, learn something new, challenge themselves, and ask excellent questions much like the one you've asked.

@@unclefreedom213 You sound a lot like me when I got onto internet forums 25+ years ago. I asked thought provoking questions to get people thinking and spark conversation. It eventually lead to my own website and forums, Plainsmans Cabin. With a fledgling family, the internet hosting just became too much and I allowed it to dwindle. Hence, Im happy and appreciative to find others doing similar things and wish you the best and hope your endeavors continue to grow. Thank you for all you do!

Same to you my friend. I get a ton of hate from youre, just a tyrant cop to you don't know what you're talking about, to you should encourage people and not be so harsh telling them things don't work lol. My thoughts are without cops like me you woild already live under kings rule, and I would rather me tell you it won't work instead of you finding out in the fight. I love getting into good debates with people that are open minded sometimes I learn stuff sometimes they do but we always leave with a different angle to see from

You don't have to be rich. I've been stockpiling hollow points for years. I pick up one extra box from the range once per week, and overtime, it has added up to a lot.

Well said...the human body is fragile and an fmj will do the job.

@@silvermine2033 Not sure where you live but in Southern California even Winchester white box hollow points are outrageously priced let alone boutique hollow point rounds. Don't get me wrong here, I have hollow point rounds for my handguns but just enough to fill all my magazines for self- defense.

Your wrong on many levels and issues but ahh your right to think as you may.solid proof test beats any options so my opinions has back up proof! For bears , or heavy skin/muscles critters , fmj is the best .for self defense, hp is way better .take a .40 or .45 , it will expand to nearly .60/.70 ! And modern ammo don't plug as you claim !

@@rangerup1804 They’re expensive in my state of CT as well, but instead of trying to buy bulk all at once I bought two boxes at a time every week when I went to the range, and have been doing this for the past ten years and it adds up to a lot!

because it's not a hollowpoint it does however reliably fragment from a 14.5 barrel. Nothing in any rule prevents the use of rounds that rapidly dematerialize in fact we used fragile rounds for years in shoothouses and some astute guys used them for cqb because of how nasty they were. We have been hunting ways around stuff forever take mk262, m118lr for example they fragment reliably but were never intended or designed for actual combat they were made for shooting targets. We figured out they worked and started running them. 50 cal is another great example mk211 explodes when it hits stuff but in our description of the projo for deployment it's listed as an anti material munitions not anti personnel

@@unclefreedom213 ohh I see. Thank you so much for the response. That helps.

@conro7003 Glad that helped, thanks for a great question.

💯 I'm trying to get folks to stop only stocking it as thier do all

it's a match round same thoughts as what I mention on mk262

@unclefreedom213 do you have any recommendations for who makes tmks or mk262 for cheap enough to justify stockpiling it? I'm not buying 20 rds for 30 bucks 4 times a month tho that's too much

your point No. 1 is inaccurate mk262 is the 77gr SMK loaded by Black Hills ammo the SMK is an OTM or a BTHP. it's a match round that does not expand nor is it ever intended to. HP in the name but it has a hollow tip with weight rearward the damage from as inconsistent as it is in the way it delivers it. Is from that hollow tip deflecting in a fluid media causing tumbling and fragmentation. It does not expand at all in fa t when we recover them all you recover is pieces

All my reloads are HP but I keep a fair bit of FMJ for drive-bys. 🤣

so I'm curious you're a handloader and choose to load 62gr when all the other options including blems that we have access to exist. are you loading the bonded 62s I mean I just got 2k of the 64gr sbsp from the ranger loads for 230 bucks

I’ve loaded a bunch and the 62 grain seems to be less picky and holds a better group. Yes you can get further with 77g and less crosswind but unless your case prep are all perfect, it’s going to take away from accuracy big. Not so much with 62 and still hold 1-1/4 MOA@100yards1:7 twist. So I get pretty close to match grade without all the extra work which allows me to mass produce without worrying that the case isn’t perfectly concentric. I do flare inside the case and remove the burrs from the flash hole to create a more even ignition from the primer.

Everglades Ammo has a version 2 62g that I’ve been using for 4 years. Blems are blems for a reason, too much inconsistency makes them blems and are only useful for a mag dump lol SP’s are good in accuracy but aweful on a hard target. Ss109’s are aweful if there’s any crosswind and become easily unbalanced. 55 grain is only useful in a 1:8 twist. 1:7 won’t stabilize it well enough to hold accuracy 62 seems to be the magic number for 1:7 using FMJ BT

And if all you have is crap, you're going to suffer.

No worries, we never signed but we did fall in line. The big issue was logistics which is why we issued the sake round to everyone. Second point yes we use OTM but OTM or BTHP isn't designed to expand. You're referring to the Mk262 77gr used in 5.56 and m118lr used in the m110sass. Both have hollow point in the name. However the hollow point in those fuction as a ballistic efficiency increase for a more accurate and long range effective projectile. I refer to them in the end, they are absolutely more effective on target just not from expansion. The hollow cavity at the front of the bullet will deflect one it enters a target causing rapid destabilization and the round to reliably fragment and tumble but open it does not. Hope this helped

Quantity over quality beat the Germans. Ask the Soviets. I'd rather have more ammo than not enough. For hunting, that's reversed.

Side note I'll get back to more of this comment once I get on a computer. Midway had the 64gr SBSP pulled bullets just FYI if you load

@@unclefreedom213 I look forward to your additional comments. I'm always learning. Thank you. I don't reload 5.56 or 223, but I reload other rounds. Thank you for the tip on Midway. I'll have to get some small quantities of loaded 64gr and see what I can learn.

@@dimassalazar906 I get the Germans vs Russians argument. I think we see that in Ukraine right now too. But I think there are limits to the argument. I think it's situationally dependent. When you have "enough" quality, it's better to have Quality. If your choice is between "quality, but not enough," or "quantity, and plenty of it," I think the better option is Quantity. That grossly oversimplifies Germany/Russia, and Ukraine/Russia. It ignores tactics. And the USMC have found that a quality rifle and quality ammo yields superior results out past 200m. But inside 200m, quantity becomes very important. So context matters.

As have I and have been present at autopsy when you actually see what bullets do. There is zero comparison between a FMJ out of a 5.56 and a CQB round like a VMAX projo VMAx has superior damage and always will

And I have had the privilege of getting training from Mr Clint Smith and I can tell you for a fuckin 100% FACT he uses premium Self Defense ammo in his H.D Firearms, not some bullshit hard ball. Training yes, FMJ but if you're not smart enough to use good ammo to defend your family or yourself you have missed everything that man has been teaching since he was at Gun Sight.

@@adamrodgers2377 But this isn't talking about every day carry ammo. He's talking about telling people to not stockpile fmj for SHTF, which is completely stupid. Two completely different things.

@@nickdial8528 I have yet to hear him say DON'T BUY FMJ. I have heard him say multiple times it's fine for training but not for Self Defense use, and he is 💯 correct, FMJ is shit ammo for Self Defense Use. Would I want to get shot with it? Hell no! But I'm not fooling myself thinking my 10,000 rounds of 55gr FMJ is SD ammo. Self Defense Ammo is more expensive but it's also easy to find on sale 4 or 5 times a year. Hell why not being the "best" Self Defense ammo I was able to put back around 7,500 rounds of Federal 9BPLE and it wasn't but $79 bucks per 1000 round case than hard ball at the time I found it on sale. I have used 9BPLE at Training Classes the last 3 Classes I took because it is super accurate outta my G17, the shit works my Comp decent and it's good to shoot full power loads during training. As far as 223/556 I have a nice supply of 55, 62, & 75gr Gold Dot for SD and Hunting, in case I was to need it and a nice supply of Black Hills MK262. Yeah it's cost $ but is money worth more than your family or your life? I know money can't compare to my Daughter and my Girlfriend. Also, and this is not directed at you, but anyone else who thinks this. I'm not "rich" in fact I'm on a strict monthly income, but I still find myself stocking up on premium Self Defense ammo because it works. I also have my Daughter and Girlfriend that loves to shoot as much as myself so we reload for that purpose, and we are able to shoot damned near daily. Having a range in the backyard is wonderful! Finally, and I don't mean to sound like a asshole but I don't care what ammo YOU or ANYONE else uses, what pisses me off is this guy is giving solid ass information and folks are shitting on what he is saying. No matter what FMJ SUCKS ASS for Self Defense and also it is not the most accurate and accuracy is No. 1. It's a good training ammo. Oh, he also said when and if you have to bug out that he wasn't carrying all his ammo. I know damned well I couldn't carry all my ammo even if I load my Suburban with just ammo and let my Daughter ride with my Girlfriend. Look at the big picture, not just the little things like ammo. If anyone had to actually bug out, they won't be taking all 56 Rifles, 83 pistols and 37 Shotguns. They won't be carrying 15,000 rounds of ammo for each firearm. They will probably have 5 guns per person MAX and about 2,500 to 4,000 rounds of ammo. Food and Water will be WAAAAAAAAAY more important that Ammo.

100 percent I speak about this as a part of my real cost of building a ccw I run about 5 to 700 of the 124 nato lobe that stuff for training