Became*

It very much looks like a laptop from years ago so i guess they hit their mark.

@@quantumdot7393design is not everything, repairability is better. The fancy modern design of your MacBook won’t help if something breaks and you have to trash the entire thing cause they’re not serviceable.

Bruh, it came out years ago and tech UKpostsrs talked about it a lot already in the past.

@@pyokent become mainstream=/=become acknowledged by bigger YT channels

Amen to that! Commenting for the algorithm because I believe this is probably the most important thing about Framework and similar projects. Freedom from various consumer traps which companies keep adding one by one, step by step.

Great analysis 😮

I think you said it perfectly so just commenting so others will see this

Well said man

and I wont be buying this if 3 years down the lane, a gpu upgrade cost 900$

Agreed. My next laptop will be a Framework, even if it's more expensive than a similar laptop from elsewhere, purely because I want to support this move back towards the days of repairability and truly _owning_ your device.

@@benjaminoechsli1941 The Price right now is what's inhibiting me. Not necessarily the price to performance ratio itsself but the price by itself. Its still too high imo. Im willing to pay a bit of a premium for what you get considering its upgradable but right now its too high for me. My general principles is Reparability of any product shouldn't come at a premium.

Yeah, that's one of the biggest reasons why I bought one!

Nobody outside of your tiny fanboy niche cares about Fedora.

@@bearzilla2462 *Are you sure about that?* Steam gaming is bigger on Linux than on macOS.

Running Fedora 39 with hyprland and just loving it. Hope framework comes to India soon. Keeping my fingers crossed.

@@sourabhpatel7952 Kispe chala raha hai bhai?

8040 is noticeably faster than 7040 in tests done on gaming handhelds which offer models with both chips but which are otherwise identical. I don't remember how much exactly, maybe 10% or so.

Both have NPUs, Hawk Point's NPU is just 60% faster (I think they are actually the same NPU but Hawk Point's NPU is being run at higher clock speeds).

@@kylereis7854 If it;'s just higher clock speeds and no actual architectural improvements, then there really is no reason to upgrade from Phoenix, especially if that user was lucky enough to get a 7940HS.

Also, it has yet to be released, and no other laptop uses it either. The Framework team has just as much chance of creating and integrating a new processor as any other laptop company has of creating a new laptop for it.

@@ColeBerkley Actually, the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 and Razer Blade 14 are confirmed to be using it. That being said, they aren't out yet afaik.

@@cameronbosch1213 He is not understanding it. We love the minimal Nvidia chips on low power. he needs to play games, please buy the OMEN only for that ! Alienware good build ?

As a visually impaired person that is also taller, double yay for this honestly. Makes for much better ergonomics. I wish there was less lid flex though...

I had the same thoughts. I'll take the ergonomics and repairability any day

Excelent point.

It's not a reason to not buy it but it's nice to know beforehand. I always find it suspicious when someone does a review and mentions nothing negative because there are always tradeoffs

Now imagine having the speakers all on the right side. Why? Because!

Well sure, but if you're wanting real acoustics, let alone actual bass, you're just not going to get it with flat laptop speakers that have little to no air volume. You're way better off dragging around portable speakers along with your computer.

With the shallow space, your be looking at high pitch, treble enhancers at best I think. Good for spoken word at least

either they aint windows or tech guys

How many don't know that Rufus isn't needed to make a Windows installer?

Honestly, I thought the same. A great program from that one developer, it has been the go to to install Linux for over a decade and now that Microsoft has easened up a bit it also is the better way to install Windows. Basically Microsoft blocked it (it might or might not be that it was the intention, I won't speculate) for the longest time but now that you can just download a Windows-ISO this problem has been solved.

I guess when all you do is windows based laptops, making a boot drive isnt really something you do very often. I personally used windows for nearly a decade and didnt come across rufus until I decided to mess around with Linux.

@@JoeNokers The problem was that MS refused to put an ISO on their website so an independent tool like Rufus or Etcher couldn't install it.

I did the math and only 16.4" would be possible while still having enough of a bezel to be able to screw the screen in. If they glued the screen on (which is against their mission) they could potentially achieve 16.7". However Framework is limited by the displays already being produced. Getting a completely custom 16.3" display would be really expensive so they went with a slightly tweaked (slightly tweaked is a lot cheaper than completely custom) variant of the second largest panel already being produced that could be fit. The reason they went with the 2nd largest panel they could is because the largest panel already being produced that would fit is much lower refresh rate (60 Hz instead of 165 Hz), lower brightness (330 cd/m² vs 500 cd/m²), and reduced color space (74% DCI-P3 vs 100%). So they choose to use a 2.6% smaller panel that they could've in order to get much better other specs. It's possible my math was off, tomorrow when my FW16 is supposed to arrive I'll take measurements of the actual area available for the screen and if it can fit a larger screen than I calculated I'll update this comment.

A slighty-thicker-than-average bezel is very low on my list of criticisms. But then again, I don't treat my computer as fashion accessory.

And and an extra 45Wh battery option for the expansion bay!

@@kylereis7854 good observation.

@@handlemonium Why only 45 Wh? Let's shoot for more! On the Framework forums there have been several discussions about this. Framework's CEO suggested that either five 18650 cells or four 21700 cells could potentially be an option. Five 18650 cells would fit within the same form factor as the existing GPU module. The largest 18650 cells are slightly over 12 Wh so five calculates to an impressive 60 Wh! Four 21700 cells would require a slightly larger enclosure but the largest 21700 cells pack slightly over 20 Wh each so four calculates to 80 Wh! So 60-80 Wh of capacity could potentially be added through the expansion bay. Nothing has been officially announced by Framework, but given the amount of discussion that has occurred on the Framework forums (including by Framework's CEO) I think it is very likely that either Framework will make one or at the very least some community members will (it sounds like some people are already working on it).

I'm buying one partly because I want to see this idea succeed, and to see Framework grow large enough that they can sell future laptops for less money so more people can afford one. I'm fortunate enough that I can justify the price, and hope that one day everyone that can't will be able to get one.

@@ilikepizza1275 Fair enough, but there are still limits. I don't need one of these, but, if I did, I'd be willing to pay a premium for repairability and long-term hardware support. There are still limits to this. When a machine with similar or better performance can be had for half of the price, the Framework becomes very hard to justify. Especially since most gaming laptops (the competition for the 16" model) already have user-replaceable RAM, storage, and batteries.

@@ilikepizza1275 I have an old XPS 15 and when I eventually have to get a new one in the near future I'm thinking of going with a Framework, as I also want this to succeed. Imagine if more went fully or at least partially modular, then there could come some standard which were uniform and would allow one to mix and match components from across the vendors, a benefit for all. Also when enough starts to adapt into Framework and people start to want to upgrade, then it should be cheaper for those who doesn't have much to upgrade, as you could probably get a better used component than the one you have, as someone might have upgraded to the newest component.

Joaco I replaced most parts in my HP Elitebook, unable to replace the GPU. never will replace the Keyboard, HP Elitebooks are the best. If i need a faster GPU, i need a new CPU too, replace the Laptop works better for me. You ever did any parts swaps ? I do love this concept, fancy people will love it, keep upgrading it !

Replacing is really really cool. That's why I have an eye on framework. It makes it so easy for the community to make and sell their own solutions.

Will i ever replace the GPU, replace the system better ?

If you got a micro center nearby don't for get to get ram and storage from there, cheeper and MC it another peace of the puzzle we need to implement right to repair.

@@ceterfoJust make sure the RAM does 5600MT with JEDEC timings....

Plus even if you use Windows keys are cheap and you can even use MAS

also there are hacky ways to trick windows into activating without a liscense key so the only problem is the instillation media.

maybe consistency and reliability arent too matter for you then grab em, theyre good, better mostly

there will probably be a touchpad sidepanel made. the interface is usb :-)

It takes time. It's the first step to make it mainstream. And if it is, it will surely get cheaper. It's a quite young company. I see it the same way though

You can always get the Framework pre-assembled and with Windows already installed.

This is a ridiculous critique. The connector is just an electrical interface that sports 74 pins capable of a bit over 10 amps at 20V which interfaces between a user facing port and the PCIe in the motherboard. Currently it supports more than PCIe 4.0 at 8 lanes. If in the future components change and need more than that, then you just update the specs with more electrical capacity over the same interface, or hell, if it comes to that, even a different one which could still keep backwards compatibility to allow you to swap in older expansion bays. We've done that for decades with USB, and recently we even have Thunderbolt, several different USB specs, HDMI, and other stuff over the same type C interface. This isn't new science nor engineering. It's a goddamn $19 part in the marketplace with the purpose of exposing the PCIe interface to the outside with something that can withstand users connecting and disconnecting stuff with some relative frequency. That's all. You're literally hitting on the strong point of the Framework as if it was a weakness and pretending it's the same as companies using proprietary connectors with no financial incentive to keep supporting them. This isn't like that, this is an open interface to an open standard, PCIe. If in the future we have components with bandwidth beyond the capabilities of the current interposer, and you want to connect your new powerful expansion bay that uses that spec, just spend the $19 and buy the upgraded interposer that supports it, plug it in place of the current one, and you're good to go. That's the beauty of this ecosystem. Every single part is repairable, replaceable, and upgradeable, including the interposer. Now, the expansion cards. The USB-A interface is backwards compatible all the way back to 1996. The first laptop with USB-C came out in 2016. There's a long way to go for the type C interface, which will very likely be longer lived than USB-A because it was designed specifically for that. You could upgrade the internals, which is doable without changing the interface. That's how we have different USB specs using the same backwards compatible interface or even Thunderbolt which is a different spec and still uses that interface and keeps compatibility with the USB spec on top of that. I think you just don't understand what electrical interfaces are and how they work and think the interface is the entire spec or something? Let's still entertain your scenario as if it was like I'm understanding you think it is. Let's assume 40 years down the road we have completely and utterly abandoned USB-C and any sort of internal compatibility connection somehow. Then yes, when you upgrade the motherboard you'll need to buy 6 new cards at $10-20 each at current prices aside from the storage ones. That's the worst case scenario of this extremely unrealistic time frame of 40 years.

@@thefelix7767 I appreciate your extensive reflections. I hope you are correct.

Refine yes, slimming it down is unlikely. The size is the screen size plus the required bezel. And since they're not going to do bezeless because they're not swappable that's pretty much it there. As for the height, it's a similar situation. The business model isn't the mainstream trend of slimming and swapping for less functionality and less repairability. If you want a smaller laptop get a 13.

@@newolde1 Yeah I am not too worried about portability Im mainly referring to how bulky it looks and is.

@@SirBlicks I'll never understand those that choose form over function, especially for a tool. Alas to each their own.

Pre-prod. the first Batch 1 units went out end of last week.

Imagine you bought the Dell XPS laptops 5 years ago. Loved the devices but when you went to buy a new Dell XPS device it was twice as expensive with worse thermals and no function keys. Then it becomes clear why modular laptops are better. The $3000 modular laptop is ALWAYS going to be a better investment because a company isn't going to force you to deal with a crappy hardware feature that you don't want.