Framework Laptop 6 Months Later. I'm Less Impressed 😐
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День томуI've been daily driving the Framework Laptop for the Past 6 Months and this is my long term review.
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0:00 - Opener
0:30 - Intro
0:50 - Innovation and Features
2:47 - My Framework Version
3:37 - Clearing up Some Misunderstandings.
4:41 - Maybe I changed My Mind
4:51 - Form Factor and Build Quality
5:42 - The Screen
6:07 - Webcam, Microphone, Speakers
6:30 - Keyboard
6:43 - Trackpad 😕
7:27 - Ports and Expansion Cards
8:22 - Performance
9:32 - Battery Life 🙁
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@ElevatedSystems 8 місяців тому
UPDATE! Many of the issues I point out in this review have been fixed addressed by Framework. For updates be sure to check out my full Framework playlist. ukposts.info/slow/PLwMvJ82pMgANOBK9ZL9rY4s2ExgLiYnYm&si=q18f-cBHd2vePJZF
@harper84 4 місяці тому
I think it speaks to Framework's radically different approach to hardware that a "long term review" has such a different meaning when the product ecosystem is built for long-term support and reparability. If this was a black box laptop from any other manufacturer then six months of daily driving would have identified most, if not all, of the quirks and given an idea of whether or not the manufacturer was going to offer any more fixes... and that would be that. With Framework, firmware updates and hardware fixes keep trickling down through the range months after release, and as other people have pointed out, some issues can just be nullified with a part-swap. I'm not sure there are many other laptops where you can come back 18 months after your original "6 months later" review and find that the situation has improved :) Framework systems aren't perfect, but I'm convinced they're doing good things, and seem to be improving all the time.
@ChaoticDucc 2 роки тому
I agree with your conclusion at the beginning. If someone is looking for raw performance or battery life, they would probably go with something from a different company. But because of Framework's focus on repairability and sustainably, alot of people (myself included) have shown interest in the device, even if it's only to support this movement. Great video!
@martinschmidt1652 2 роки тому
Voting with your money is one of the most important thing we can do for a more sustainable planet. Thats why I am buying framework!
@star43able 2 роки тому
i am the same way about the repairability of the laptop its going to be my next laptop
@pmester228 2 роки тому
I do wonder if it would be possible to have battery extension slots. Basically like a power bank for phones. Now that would be interesting to see.
@star43able 2 роки тому
@@pmester228 i know as long as its a usb c 60w+ it can charge a laptop
@Carterthielftw_ 2 роки тому
@@pmester228 im not sure you would get any meaningful increase in battery life with something that small tho
@gouveia00 2 роки тому
"Battery life is bad, about 6 hours" Coming from a Dell laptop that, in three years, ate through 2 battery packs and even on a fresh one never delivered more than 3h, that's awesome to me.
@blue4059 2 роки тому
It is relatively speaking, problematic, considering that competing laptops at the same price point can easily get 10 hrs or more.
@swift7169 2 роки тому
@@blue4059 so why is the framework worse on battery life then
@blue4059 2 роки тому
@@swift7169 because it's not optimized well
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
That may be true for you but what about someone coming form an older MacBook that still gets 8+ hours of battery life? That's why I compared it to current similarly spec'd laptops.
@rowdyyates7247 2 роки тому
@@blue4059 So is it hardware or software optimization? Can one expect it will be better with updates?
@gargaj 2 роки тому
So I have a Framework en route to me and my first reaction was "oh man the trackpad is crap" and started having buyers regret, until I realized I can just... swap it out if they provide better ones? That's what makes it remarkable - I have to unlearn all my consumer paranoia.
@ThunderDraws 2 роки тому
this will be the big revolution if framework *actually delivers* on new motherboards and other upgrades (like trackpad) that are compatible with their first gen laptop. If they really manage to do this then hats off!
@coolspot18 2 роки тому
That's IF they provide an upgraded trackpad. Framework will likely struggle to stock all parts... or be able to engineer next generation laptops while keeping compatiblity with the old form factors.
@EmergencyChannel 2 роки тому
That's if they stay in business at all. Bringing a laptop to market costs millions and this is a niche product at best. The average consumer is still going to buy whatever Amazon or their local big box store has. The average business man or grandma that checks her emails isn't worried about repairing their laptop.
@afallingtree9114 2 роки тому
thats a really interesting way of putting in, i think the term "consumer paranoia" sums it up well
@gargaj 2 роки тому
@@EmergencyChannel It is true that we as a society have traditionally have done a crap job at educating consumers about what's really pro-consumer (and most countries have failed to create laws to match) - but there's an economic argument for "hey, swapping out a broken charge port when someone steps on your cable with this particular laptop is only $5 and 5 minutes, not a $100 repair for a week", both for end users and businesses.
@JinKee 2 роки тому
i hope they succeed. the sheer number of IoT devices you could make out of Framework replacement parts is crazy
@fatherWolt 2 роки тому
Refreshing to see someone talk about internet of things in it's ORIGINAL context. Too many cryptards have bastardized the terms web3 and IoT.
@akivaweil5066 2 роки тому
@@fatherWolt You are such a clown for calling people "cryptards."
@joonaskali2337 2 роки тому
@@akivaweil5066 found the nft clown
@akivaweil5066 2 роки тому
@@joonaskali2337 Nfts are not my jam
@AlJey007 2 роки тому
@@fatherWolt "cryptards" I love it. So accurate.
@xx1norm1xx 2 роки тому
Having an engineer as a CEO is a huge + in my eyes.
@davidr7304 Рік тому
Working for a company whose CEO is an engineer I can say that this is not always a good thing. The CEO should be a business leader. I would prefer a CEO know accounting and marketing instead of Maxwell's Equations.
@iamsuperflush Рік тому
@@davidr7304 All "business leaders" know how to do is hire overpaid consultants, layoff employees to boost value for shareholders, and take multimillion dollar bonuses. I'll an engineer who understands the value of R&D and long term reinvestment in the company as a CEO any day.
@Djaenzee Рік тому
@@davidr7304 Two things can be true at the same time. I agree with @iamsuperflush that a CEO who has no idea about his/her company's products or how they are built/developed, usually does only the min-maxing, but not good product (or rather company direction) decisions. But of course, a business leader should also understand how to run a company. That's not always easy to balance, but it is doable.
@Omar-kl3xp Рік тому
@@iamsuperflush the CEO can be both ,A CEO should know about the product is selling but the CEO must absolutely need to be a business leader ,if not the company will go down , so yh you shouldn’t just put an engineer that doesn’t have business knowledge as a CEO
@eone199 Рік тому
@@davidr7304 yes and you will get greedy companies like intel and apple
@theena 2 роки тому
This being the first generation of the framework, I am not surprised there are teething issues. I agree with your conclusion wholeheartedly - I want to support the company because of their stance on issues that are important to me. I am not expecting perfection or anything, just yet.
@dirtbike662 2 роки тому
Is there any rumors of a gen 2 of this coming out soon?
@OzzyTheGiant 2 роки тому
@@dirtbike662 Not sure if there will be a gen 2 per se, I would think it would be more of an expectation of upgraded motherboards and/or expansion to AMD
@wandew7057 Рік тому
@@dirtbike662 12th gen intel released
@dirtbike662 Рік тому
@@wandew7057 ships August👍
@nnnnnn3647 Рік тому
This is a project for people who are just plain naive. The company cynically uses the sentiment for self-repair, but in fact sells expensive laptops with poor parameters.
@gavinmorton7682 Рік тому
Cool part of this is that they have a user installable hinge and backplate upgrade, which solves your hinge issue. They have confirmed and ethernet expansion, and they are working on the power draw. Awesome to see that Framework is hearing the userbase and working on fixing it.
@caspyberry4951 Рік тому
The thing is, framework should be supported not only to enable them to make better laptops, but also to force other companies to make better and more repairable laptops
@outtokill7 2 роки тому
This review basically sums up my thoughts too. For me deep sleep inconsistencies have been my biggest problem with the laptop waking up when I plug it in while its asleep etc. The trackpad I do think has gotten a little worse over time with it not being as sensitive as it used to be. Battery life is still a problem but was better than the Thinkpad I was using before it. All of that said I am still really excited to see where the company goes. I would like to see some 12th gen Intel or Ryzen 6000U mainboards soon so I can re-purpose my current mainboard for other things. No regrets.
@Fee.1 2 роки тому
Price of these mainboards will dictate everything afaic. Do they sell a replacement of the stock launch mainboard units yet?
@Carterthielftw_ 2 роки тому
@@Fee.1 yes, I believe that the I5 is ~$600, which is reasonable
@cdoublejj 2 роки тому
in all my years sleep has been the buggiest feature of any computer for decades. i usually disable. my walmart motile with pop os is probably the only one i haven't disabled it on. i usually keep my laptops plugged in. ive never been able to afford one with good battery life any how.
@-_._-_._-_._-_._-_._- 2 роки тому
@@cdoublejj definitely, I got a laptop where sometimes it will sleep sometimes it won't. just depends on what it's feeling I guess
@MCOGroupNews 2 роки тому
@@cdoublejj it's more of a notorious issue with Windows OS more than it is the laptops themselves per my understanding
@abemann3400 2 роки тому
Great job! More reviews should be like this. Detailed yet concise, fair and ballenced. Provide the positive and negative points and give the viewer the info to choose for themselves. Thanks for not giving us sponsored fluff.
@mobiousone363 2 роки тому
Good review! I’ve had mine for a couple months now (batch 7) and I enjoy it, but agree with your criticisms. I really hope we see future hardware upgrades (better trackpad, for example) hit the marketplace, as that could really set the framework apart from devices by other manufacturers.
@lunaumbra5179 2 роки тому
Good review. The fun part for me with this laptop is how I upgraded from a 2011 machine. So this is worlds ahead and most of the battery life or performance issues don't register for me because it is so much better than before. How often are people replacing laptops? Because I'm just surprised at how tech youtubers obsess over certain factors which would be negligible for someone like me..
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
It's not about comparing it to old laptops It's about comparing it to the other comparable options you have when you are considering upgrading from your old laptop.
@lunaumbra5179 2 роки тому
@@ElevatedSystems I appreciate it, I guess I am suggesting the pros of the framework being adaptable, repairable, upgradable, useable outside the chassis, and pro right to repair outweigh the tech differences since they seem trivial to me from my 2011 stance. However, you are right, and my 60% luddite attitude biases me.
@swift7169 2 роки тому
@@lunaumbra5179 I too will be coming from a 2011 machine, more specifically a T420. Nice machine but its really starting to show its age. as far as battery life is concerned, I am used to only having a few hours anyway so the framework would be a major improvement to me as well.
@FakeDadRealFriend 2 роки тому
About 5 yrs. 8 with a real banger of a machine. I think 10+ is very rare. Laptops are, unfortunately, way more disposable because of issues with repairability and upgradeability, moreso the latter, since you can at least rma around the former. Unless you only ever really needed a device with the limited functionality of a Chromebook to begin with, its at that half-decade mark that not being able to freely do either will start to kick your ass and make the device unreliable or just plain annoyingly subpar for your workload.
@vivek_v 2 роки тому
@@FakeDadRealFriend Nope, business laptops last a hell of a long time. 10+ years is nothing for them. And a lot of people just need a basic laptop to check emails, and a 2nd gen core i5 should be adequate for that.
@itsfonk 2 роки тому
If I had the means, I would support them. This is their first model. I see a bright future ahead for them, if others in the industry also appreciate their long term goal.
@ocrab6947 2 роки тому
Going the DIY and i5 route (very very similar performance) you can get the whole system for just under $1000 which makes it an easier pill to swallow versus $1500, still not perfect but look forward to the future
@ShirleyMarquezDulcey 2 роки тому
The performance disadvantage of the i5 is small... IF you put two sticks of RAM in it. Tiger Lake loves dual channel memory; you take a 25% performance hit if you use only one module.
@swift7169 2 роки тому
@@ShirleyMarquezDulcey I would love to see actual comparisons of thw two in real world tests. I was considering getting the i7 with 64 gb of ram abut i might change that to i5 if it makes ssense.
@leonro 2 роки тому
@@ShirleyMarquezDulcey Tbf all cpus work much better when all memory channels are used, otherwise you are leaving lots of memory bandwidth unused. This might not matter in certain applications, but it is clearly felt in a lot of others.
@bradhaines3142 Рік тому
@@ShirleyMarquezDulcey the generation means nothing, single channel ram is around a 25% hit across the board, including my 8th gen i7. literally half the ram speed.
@goliteyourworld6 2 роки тому
I appreciate your transparency and honesty. I thought your review is very trustworthy. I purchased a framework back in December, but don’t use it all the time simply because I don’t have that level of workload at home. So I appreciate hearing your perspective as someone who has used it consistently for 6 months.
@dholocronkeeper 2 роки тому
i love seeing long term reviews like this that REALLY get into the aspects of using a device every day, and this one was brilliant. truly awesome content man, i enjoyed watching it
@erwinamanciosilva7693 2 роки тому
The good thing about framework is that even its flaws are easily fixable, like if a better trackpad is released all we would need to do is to swap it, the same with better batteries, you dont need to buy complete new setup to have better and improved experience, much like pc you just swap a component, i wasn't expecting framework to nail everything from the start, but now is the time for them to truly shine, if framework get the component market to work right than it will start its rise to leadership.
@MarkiplierOfficial 2 роки тому
Even then I don’t think framework will be even close in terms of performance to companies like Apple, who people mainly only buy products from because of the brand name, and how common it is.
@bpurkapi 2 роки тому
They also launched at a time when parts shortages were at their worst. Hopefully, they can make up some ground in the next year!
@starletscarlet 2 роки тому
this isn't essentially true
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 роки тому
I don't see the framework laptop as a product made for the brand-aware apple crowd, the high demand gamer or the professional video editor, but for someone who wants easy availability to replacement parts and repair. Sacrificing some performance and battery life and gaining user serviceability. Which is a great thing in principle.
@jabezhane 2 роки тому
@@HappyBeezerStudios Most of the Apple laptop crowd would actually be better served with a $300 Chromebook from what I've seen of their usage patterns.
@Kathlanus 2 роки тому
The nice thing about the problem with the mousepad is, even if it is a hardwareproblem, you pop it out and put a fixed replacement in and you're off to the races.
@petitpanierdosier3206 2 роки тому
This with ryzen 7000 series with rdna2 igpu would be insanely good. Given they improve the minor issues with the battery touch pad etc
@Apollo-Computers 2 роки тому
I think if they used a cpu that wasn't intel battery life would improve quite a bit.
@footsorebird0365 2 роки тому
This is the exact configuration that I am waiting for. Because it will have the really good battery life and single thread performance that I need for my applications. And from what I heard, they may have rDNA three graphics instead especially on the Phoenix series which is the lower watt Apus
@psyk0l0ge Рік тому
@@footsorebird0365 same
@ghjong001 2 роки тому
Great review. I've been experiencing similar issues with registering mouse clicks on the touchpad. I bought it knowing it was a beta (batch 3), but the nice thing is that nearly all of the issues can literally be fixed in the future without buying a brand new machine. I'm still hopeful somebody will eventually figure out how to build and mount a Thinkpad-style keyboard (with trackpoint) to the existing chassis.
@uva2805 2 роки тому
Great review man. Really nice work, you sound like a very honest man and pointed to all the issues. You also made a great case for why we should support the product, even tho its far from perfect. Honestly I think this will be my next laptop.
@redwinedrummer 2 роки тому
Thanks for your review! I've been running a Batch 6 machine since January and I am forming an opinion very similar to yours. The more I use the Framework, the more I realize it's an average laptop from a performance standpoint. Battery life has been my greatest pain point. The hinges have been very similar to previous laptops I've owned and the trackpad has been fine. Nevertheless, I risked freight forwarding a unit to my country due to the serviceability, longevity and value for money. My Framework build is still cheaper shipped compared to a getting a similarly spec'd machine locally. Part of being an early adopter, but I'm still enjoying the ride!
@alexandermyrthue1987 Рік тому
I'm DEFINITELY INTERESTED a laptop that I can upgrade and repair just like my Desktop pc. What has always irritated me about laptops was their proprietary locked system of hardware. Great video 😊
@atreusduvelll600 2 роки тому
Great review! Although I am excited about the potential of this company, I had yet to see a "real" review of this product. Thanks for being honest about this. I am hoping they fix some of the pain points, ie battery life in a future model somehow. Thanks!
@sabergo1 2 роки тому
Fair review and matches my experience. I don't have a problem with the trackpad or hinge so far. Battery life matches your testing, sometimes better, sometimes worse -- depends on workload. I consider this more of a "mid-term" review though. The principle of upgrade "ability" will be the key to a long term review IMO. Can I upgrade to fix those things that could be better? That is the key for me. Thanks for your review!
@spdcrzy 2 роки тому
What's amazing to me, also having daily driven one for the last few months, is that it's far better than any other first-gen product I've ever seen in this space - even WITH all its teething issues. I'd much rather have this than anything else. Period. The fact that everything is swappable makes a lot of the issues you mentioned much more easily fixable than with any other laptop. The killer feature for me is the FOUR TB4 ports - more than I've seen on any other laptop, period, and it's not discussed nearly enough.
@bradhaines3142 Рік тому
TB4 is just marketing. all they did was take the bottom out of the tb3 spec and call it tb4. its not better at all. and im pretty sure higher end macbooks have similar specs.
@robinarora8137 Рік тому
“Issues with features not working, bios and driver problems, component problems” “Sensitivity has definitely gotten worse, the pad routinely doesn’t register single or double taps, multi gestures are often missed two fingers tap three fingers swipe, it’s hit or miss, even the right click area sometimes click but doesn’t register”
@The_Penguin_City Рік тому
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@sear9993 Рік тому
This video has such great production quality. This channel needs more subs!
@steffenp7384 Рік тому
Love the review. I'm excited to see how Framework continues to move forward.
@ThalassTKynn 2 роки тому
This seems about what I expected. When I can justify buying a laptop it will probably be from framework. I do wish smaller, more netbook-like laptops were more common in general, and if framework made one I would buy it in a heartbeat. Hopefully they'll be around for many more years!
@HappyBeezerStudios 2 роки тому
The return of the subnotebook. Some 12-14'' laptops would probably hit the mark with super portability while still offering all the OS and software compatibility one is used to from bigger machines. Even with a cut in performance for longer battery life.
@b19293 8 місяців тому
theres the 13 inch framework laptop now! suports amd cpu too for battery efficiency
@r4yker442 6 місяців тому
If the company succeeded first 2-3 gens of laptops, they might be able to create even slimmer casings for replaceable parts and slimmer connectors.
@maxmustsleep 2 роки тому
I think most of what you show does give me hope for the product. It is the first revision of a new product from a new company and if they release upgrade boards hopefully using ryzen and new versions altogether addressing the problems I'm still optimistic that they will get it right
@alialiyev6168 Рік тому
Thank you for the review. Waiting for 16 and its review too :D
@Overthought7 2 роки тому
This review was so incredibly helpful! Exactly what I wanted and more. Thanks so much!
@em0_tion 2 роки тому
You're different and real compared to other channels. 👍 Love these later comparisons. Used to be the way reviews worked back when we weren't spoiled by new hardware every month. Respect for this video and all the work you put into it, thank you! 🙏
@Mi.i.i 2 роки тому
Please keep us posted on your experience with the framework laptop and their costumer service in the future. I feel like most (if not all) of the issues (except battery life) can be fixed by the nature of the company, in offering replacement parts. Do you know if there is chattering on the fw forums about this? I am very curious if this will happen in the future. I do agree with you and wish they'd rolled out more io swap options over the last months, thatd have been great marketing for them. Personally I'm still on the fence, mainly for reasons of price, and my current laptop is slowly becoming unusable, but is still not there yet. Basically im not in a rush and dont like spending money haha. I'd also love to go fully open source and hope they will bring amd to their mainboards in the future. Maybe ill buy myself a graduation gift in a couple months✌️:)
@XDSDDLord 2 роки тому
I appreciate the candid review and am glad UKposts recommended this video. I'm confident the trackpad is covered under warranty, so hopefully, the issue gets resolved with a hardware revision.
@manufacturedgoods6102 2 роки тому
extremely informative, i've been debating this one since your original review and if its still looking solid then i may have made a decision
@thibaultmol 2 роки тому
Fair review, I mainly look at it from a TCO total cost of ownership. This laptop is going to be usable longer than any laptop i've ever owned (cause I can just upgrade and replace stuff if needed)
@EliteSniperTV 2 роки тому
Depends, cheap used is best unless you need more power
@bentongarrett 2 роки тому
IF the company stays in business.
@walking_on_earth 2 роки тому
This was a really excellent video, more people need to do high quality long terms reviews like this for consumer tech! This gives so much useful information for both potential customers and Framework.
@AdventureBrad 2 роки тому
Great video! Honest, long term reviews are very valuable. Thanks!!!!
@MarioScott 2 роки тому
Man you did a great job with this video. Good long term review
@spareroomtech 2 роки тому
I love the concept of the Framwork Laptop. If I needed a portable machine, it's probably one I would strongly consider. I would like to see some better battery life - though 6 hours is in the "okay" category, and I would love to see more screen options, including one with P3 color gamut coverage for designers. As much as I hate Apple's choice to solder everything to the board, one thing they really have going for them is their wide color gamut, high resolution screens which are beautiful for serious designers.
@luisantoniogonzalezvillase7978 2 роки тому
Hope they can improve battery life with Alder lake. I'm really interested in owning a framework laptop.
@obedulloa6219 2 роки тому
If they get to use some amd 6000 mobile CPUs, they will get some very power efficient systems and with fairly good integrated graphics
@samsowden 2 роки тому
I'm excited that by the time im ready (able) to buy one, it'll be a much more mature product.
@Dxntoo 2 роки тому
AMD Ryzen 6000. Enough said.
@xWholeGrain Рік тому
Just heard about Framework laptops online yesterday and was looking for reviews this morning. While watching this one I instantly fell in love with your review style and really respect your unbiased analysis.
@WillianMolinari 2 роки тому
Great video. I have my framework laptop here, but didn't have the time to configure it yet. It was great to watch the video and align my expectations. As others said here, I'm there because I believe it's a movement worth investing and the laptop feels good enough for what I need. I hope I can just do small updates long term. :)
@mrmarker98 2 роки тому
If framework gets ryzen 6000 CPUs I'll definitely be getting one.
@frankhuurman3955 Рік тому
how about a ryzen 7000 one?
@pioneer_1148 Рік тому
FYI they now have Ethernet modules and AMD options
@woohoo2491 2 роки тому
Saw your 1 week review, was one of the first tech-y videos I watched after emerging from BMT. I've since finished tech school, gone operational, and am in the market for a replacement for my 9 year old Dell Precision... lo and behold this video gets released. Thanks for the honest review! Definitely keeping Framework in mind when the time comes.
@UserUser-ww2nj 8 місяців тому
Love the fact that if you upgrade the entire board you can get an enclosure to put the old one into ad use as a desktop , what a brilliant idea
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
Sorry about the intro sting volume. The audio got into the wrong track somehow during the edit. Update: Thanks for the suggestion @Lüminism , I cut the intro.
@thyscott6603 2 роки тому
Aren't you the actor in the movie Triple Frontier?
@luminism 2 роки тому
you should probably just delete it entirely thru youtube studio to avoid killing people's ears hahah
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
@@luminism Brilliant! Done.
@ScottWallace5 2 роки тому
Great update! Hopefully they add a AMD version and improved battery life and trackpad and we'll be good to go!
@deldarel 8 місяців тому
Coming here a year late, I love to see that most of the issues have been addressed. Battery life still seems to be a problem, but there are upgraded replacement hinges, track pads, and speakers.
@carlosmafia 9 місяців тому
I'm new here, love the two videos I've watched so far! You've helped encourage me yo buy a Framework and it's really exciting. I may end up with a Framework 16 as I'd like the DDR5 memory!
@carlosmafia 9 місяців тому
Also, is there any further follow-up videos now next gen hinges and larger battery are available?
@JoseLgamer05 2 роки тому
I just wish they made a gaming focused laptop, like a second chassis, that could fit a dedicated gpu, and such things that appeal for gamers, keeping the modularity Not that gaming laptops tend to be as much of a pain to repair/upgrade as non gaming machines, but still, would like to se a gaming framework Edit: this aged like fine milk, they made it
@NareshSinghOctagon Рік тому
Amen,comrade.
@thebravegallade731 Рік тому
well not only that, but a lot of us want a 15" laptop with the associated full numpad keyboard, bigger screen, and potentially battery and/or GPU.
@poormansdreams2183 Рік тому
Framework 16 :)
@uis246 10 місяців тому
@@poormansdreams2183yep. They just did.
@JonYeoAU 2 роки тому
A great and balanced review. Thanks! Pity about the battery. It's the deal breaker for me
@Nikolatetios 3 місяці тому
Pretty detailed and honest. Thank you ❤
@arminweise3768 Рік тому
Excellent review! Thank you!
@hobytube 2 роки тому
Great review! I agree that the battery life leaves much to be desired. I work from home so don't run into this issue too much, but I am hoping that future firmware updates plus Framework-specific Linux improvements (I run Garuda right now) will improve this. That said, if it never improves, I'm still happy I bought it and am very excited for the first time that I am able to forgo buying a new laptop by simply upgrading this one. Can I ask where you got your wallpaper? I looked for it online but didn't find it (although I did find a lot of other cool Framework wallpapers).
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
I made the wallpaper in Photoshop.
@lucadiprima3821 2 роки тому
@@ElevatedSystems could you give us the wallpaper? it's really nice
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
@@lucadiprima3821 I don't own the original files but if you google image search "colorful mountains wallpaper" you'll find it. I just overplayed the framework logo.
@Panicvisual 11 місяців тому
Nice review, thank you for your time 👍
@iMeta4 Рік тому
I appreciate these long term reviews. It gives me reassurance in my decisions of whether to move forward with the products or not. Subscribed.
@c4sualcycl0ps48 2 роки тому
Pros: - It’s the most well-built laptop I’ve ever had. It just feels solid when compared to the plastic-shelled one I was coming from. - expandability and modularity is great. I just built an eGPU setup that compliments the laptop and all goes in a small backpack. - best screen (in terms of resolution) I own. Cons: - super loose hinge. was a passenger in a car with poor suspension on Michigan roads and had to constantly readjust the screen. - I fell victim to the odd failure to post big in the bios after not using it for a few weeks and accidentally nuked my boot drive by trying to diagnose it. - I would pay for a touchscreen replacement/new enclosure for old screen to make a portable display but nothing has surfaced yet so I cannot help out more.
@cheeselord8153 Рік тому
I believe they came out with a hinge replacement recently, it's amazing how repairable this laptop is
@JoesAverageAdventure 2 роки тому
I think the next iteration of this will be a lot better. After all this is version 1.0. I’d like to see options for motherboard with dedicated graphics (3050/60 at most) for the casual gamer/editor . I don’t expect this to ever be a hardcore gaming machine or at least not in the near future.
@thatguyalex2835 Рік тому
I'd say, a Framework laptop with even an Nvidia 2060 would be awesome, though a 3060 would be even better. :) While I don't game or do computer art, it would be beneficial to gamers and artists alike. Blender models could be rendered well. Also, some scientists may use GPU computing for running simulations.
@danzjz3923 Рік тому
@@thatguyalex2835 issue is generations 2060 is the same as a 3060 in terms of power. 3050 wouldbe great
@TALKCalgary Рік тому
Looks a fantastic machine. I definitely plan on ordering one as soon as they get there logistics sorted out.
@kelownatechkid 2 роки тому
Really impressive review. wow! great production.
@sipos0 2 роки тому
It is pretty crazy that battery life has got to the point where you can do a full work-day. I remember when 2 hours was amazing battery life.
@matiasg19 2 роки тому
4:59 Things you can only do in America: Fit a full size laptop under the armrest of your car :D
@Alex-yj9xl 2 роки тому
They have even bigger ones here 💀
@tim3172 2 роки тому
It's not a car. It's a full size truck. It's sold in: United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Angola, Peru, Europe, and the Middle East. So no... not just America.
@MrLazini 2 роки тому
Excellent video man. Battery life is really important to I would say all people looking to buy a laptop, and I sincerely hope they improve it in the next gen! Cheers
@PhinAI 8 місяців тому
This video was recommended to me after watching another video from a month ago that began with a hinge upgrade. I'm grateful for honest reviews and honest engineers with willingness to use feedback constructively.
@00SNIVY00 Рік тому
Since it can be charge via USB Type C, I would usually have a battery pack that could charge it when I'm on the go. The only thing that held me back from it is the lack of dedicated graphics. If they can get something like an A370M into it, I would be interested in it. Very nice company, very much hoping they can expand further.
@Rokabur 8 місяців тому
They have an AMD RX 7700S for dedicated graphics.
@00SNIVY00 8 місяців тому
@@Rokabur Yeah, I've preordered already. The 7700S will be a big improvement from the A370M I have now.
@ShirleyMarquezDulcey 2 роки тому
Unfortunately, battery life is an unavoidable tradeoff for expandability and repairability, at least in this generation of hardware. The XPS and other comparable systems achieve their longer battery life with the use of LPDDR4x RAM, which uses a lot less power than standard DDR4. Unfortunately LPDDR4x is not available in a removable form factor like SODIMMs; it must be soldered to the motherboard. Alas, it looks like the same situation is playing out in the next generation of memory. DDR5 can be bought as SODIMMs, but LPDDR5 and LPDDR5x cannot. Let's hope that changes, though it may not be possible because of the super-low I/O voltages used by the low power RAM variants.
@xPandamon 2 роки тому
I don't have LPDR4X in mine, battery life is similar, about 6 hours with mixed usage, web browsing, gaming, workloads using Photoshop and such. So definitely seems like I push my system harder, but I still get atleast 6 hours out of it, more without gaming. In my case from yesterday Switch Emulation, Burnout Paradise Remastered and Dead Cells. Vivobook 15 Pro OLED, Ryzen 5600H, no dGPU
@siontheodorus1501 2 роки тому
Part of the reason why it got mediocre battery life is due to software optimization and using intel, i mean intel 11th gen chips were never known for their battery life
@bradhaines3142 Рік тому
ram uses hardly any power at all, its a rounding error compared to the CPU or even the screen, more than likely its the wattage from the CPU staying too high, or a less efficient screen. intel the past few generations is well known for pulling LOTS of power. which is why apple had a huge jump in battery life when they switched to ARM, they went from 30-100w down to 10-30w, which is a way bigger difference than the MAYBE 10W the ram pulls
@ShirleyMarquezDulcey Рік тому
@@bradhaines3142 RAM is a small part of active power consumption. But it IS a significant factor in standby power use, which is a big factor in battery life.
@bradhaines3142 Рік тому
@@ShirleyMarquezDulcey in standby, when it should be on the charger, which is NOT a big factory in battery life. and if you actually shut the computer down you have no standby power usage
@Hyatice 2 роки тому
I don't have my hands on a framework to test this, but there's a few options in the BIOS such as "enable TCSS wake from sleep" and PCIe power savings in the windows power plan. You should *definitely* take a look at those and see if those reduce the power usage of the dongles at the very least. I found these settings initially because I noticed that when my eGPU was plugged in, I literally could not get my computer to go to sleep fully. It would remain on and more importantly, generating heat as long as the eGPU was plugged in. Disabling the TCSS wake from sleep and reducing PCIe power savings to max power savings fixed this.
@westaycoolin9038 2 роки тому
I subbed, the explanation and visuals are stunning
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
Thanks and welcome.
@andythurman2390 2 роки тому
Just ordered mine, and my biggest worry is still the battery life. I really want to love this laptop, and looking at measurements I think the battery should theoretically fit into my workflow, but just barely. If not I’m returning and getting a used x1 carbon, but will pray for framework as I really want them to succeed.
@OhSoTiredMan 2 роки тому
You could try looking into undervolting your laptop, depending on the cpu and gpu it could give you an extra 10 - 20 minutes of battery life.
@darkmugetsu6572 2 роки тому
Framework Laptop does have several flaws but is otherwise very impressive for a 1st time product from a start up company I must say. One major flaw I have is the weak speakers and the flaw where the left speaker creates an annoying buzzing reverberation within the laptop chassis that makes me go into the volume settings and bring the left speaker output down to 50%.
@krykxz Рік тому
sub earned, i really wanna get one of these but im kinda waiting for some more info on it, very helpful video, and very based points
@julienwickramatunga7338 5 місяців тому
A complete and honest review, thank you very much 👍
@notimportant7682 2 роки тому
I really want to support framework, flaws and all, conceptually I can accept a higher price for something that is meant to be repaired rather than replaced coming from a new company with an uncertain future in the market. But in reality I'm worried that for the price I'll be left wanting something a little more capable as I want to take on more graphically intensive work, and don't have the money to have a separate modern desktop pc and a non potato non falling apart laptop. Tough position to be in, honestly considering simply upgrading to a steam deck and living with the slight inconveniences the formfactor presents when trying to treat it like a laptop.
@Winnetou17 2 роки тому
Hopefully Framework will have another laptop, with dedicated GPU, soon. Though I have no idea if that soon will be Q3 2022 or 2023 or even later. Designing a motherboard + chassis like this is quite the challenge.
@illuminati229 2 роки тому
The 12th Gen Intel chips for ultra portables are looking very promising. Hopefully they will show promising results with regards to battery life.
@licustoms 10 місяців тому
It's really nice that for all of your complaints in this video, they have fixes/or new parts to address these areas. They have an upgradeable new screen hinge that is much firmer, a matte/matted screen replacement (instead of being stuck with a glossy one), they have an optional speaker system that's much louder (if that's what you wanted), they have an Ethernet adapter that slots right in like any of the other square slot port adapters, they have a larger capacity battery (not a huge difference in size since physical sizes kind of limits max watt hour capacity for the time being until battery technology gets better and evolves, but it is larger in capacity), they have replaceable touch pads, keyboards, etc. It's a really cool design and something I have been wanting a company to come out and make since 2001. Oh yeah! And they have an AMD option motherboard too that you can easily swap out!
@GaryStewart2020 2 роки тому
I’m glad to hear your 6 month thoughts. I think I would still get it for my wife if they ever include a touch screen. Serious note, when I was researching Framework and looking at projects for the adapters, that is when I stumbled across your channel and ended up subscribing because you were trying something cool and different.
@kelvinnkat 2 роки тому
The ports are not technically Thunderbolt 4; they do not have Intel's stamp of approval, although it seems they're working on getting it
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
I explain this in detail in my initial review.
@kelvinnkat 2 роки тому
@@ElevatedSystems I saw that and I appreciate your explanation. However some of the viewers haven't seen it, so IMO it's not ideal to call it TB4 without giving that explanation in the same video, it's possible it might confuse or misdirect viewers.
@DylanMatthewTurner 2 роки тому
I almost got a Frame-book recently while I was in the market for a new laptop. There were really only two deal-breakers: 1) No other screen options. I really need a 17in screen to be happy 2) No discrete GPU options nor a way to do it over some sort of exposed PCIe I realize that those options are outside the kind of laptop Framework wants to make, but I'm just saying, if they were to have another laptop build option that falls closer to a gaming laptop with a larger chassis, place for a GPU, and a bigger screen at the cost of higher price and battery life, I would've certainly bought it instead. I bring that up bc I was willing to pay a lot of money for the laptop I did get, so I feel like that might be a missed opportunity for Framework as theoretically adding an exposed PCIe slot and a bigger screen to their existing setup shouldn't be that difficult, but idk maybe it is; I'm not Framework.
@Mi.i.i 2 роки тому
What you gotta realise is, this is a young company, they are still proving themselves to the consumers. They have a small team of people, itd be a waste to split that capacity over making 2 different laptops. Better to make one laptop now that is good for mass market, rather than 2 that might be less good and take longer. This way they get their name out into the world. And down the road, after seeing some growth as a company they could always focus on making a gaming laptop.
@gregorypaul0 2 роки тому
You have thunderbold 4 in there. You can use an external gpu that will have more raw power than a discrete gpu. Of course you wouldn’t carry a gpu everywhere, but for me I wouldn’t need one most of the time so at home I could game or do some heavy workload.
@DylanMatthewTurner 2 роки тому
@@gregorypaul0 Unfortunately, from what I saw from others who tested it, the performance with the raw gpu wasn't good enough
@adsrbad9733 2 роки тому
I has similar trackpad issues when I first got mine, even after I did the fix suggested in community forums (something like pushing down on the centre hard) but it has gotten better. Though I definitely agree with you
@philipp5433 Рік тому
This framework thing has just recently gotten my attention and I have the feeling that pretty much all the downsides have been addressed in the meantime in one or the other form. I'm hyped about this laptop
@jazzynupexbox6008 2 роки тому
While not Linux, I'd be curious how something like FreeBSD or GhostBSD works on that laptop. If the support is there or if it falls flat.
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
I have GhostBSD on my list for testing as it seems to be one of the most beginner friendly and regularly updated BSD distros.
@kenzieduckmoo 2 роки тому
I’m still waiting on the AMD option for the framework. I’m definitely interested in getting one, but battery life is more important to me on laptop so not interested in an intel chip.
@thestorminmormin1442 2 роки тому
The new 6000 amd chips aren't going to be much better...
@royk7712 Рік тому
Amd is on short supply, they just can't make more chip than intel because DUH
@felix.koehler 2 роки тому
Thanks for the amazing reviews ☺️
@sentranne Рік тому
Thank you for the great review!
@mvevitsis 2 роки тому
Still no Ethernet or 5g expansion cards, so it's a non starter for a lot of people. It also really needs a matte screen option.
@houghwhite411 2 роки тому
Probably the company hit hard by the chip shortage
@timplett1 Рік тому
Would love to see a gaming laptop from them, I think that could be very successful as PC gamers are generally quite familiar with upgrading individual components of their rig progressively, and if they can make a chassis that will allow for discrete GPU upgradeability as well (I have a feeling the different cooling requirements would be the harder part here) I think they would have a big market to pull from.
@JinghisKhan Рік тому
I think the GPUs are going to be a pipe dream because the cooling, as you say, is going to be impossible for anything more powerful than something like a 3050 due to the form factor. External GPU enclosures are likely the best you're going to get with this one.
@timplett1 Рік тому
@@JinghisKhan Well I would expect a gaming laptop to have a bigger form factor than their current one, basically all current gaming laptops are in fact larger than the Framework, so would make sense for them to go with a similar form factor; I wasn't expecting them to cram that into the current machine.
@naforul Рік тому
What a good review. Thanks man
@gregbirger5810 Рік тому
Hey there, may I ask what matte screen filter aftermarket option you used? I've got a 12th gen DIY Framework due in some time in July and I'd like to get a good matte screen filter, really don't care for the glossy screens. Thank you. Very curious to see first hand how much battery life I can squeeze out using Manjaro Linux and tools like TLP. But mostly just looking forward to using a great laptop I can tinker with for years to come.
@BenMilford 2 роки тому
Still a great looking system now that some kinks are apparent.
@BB_Sebring 2 роки тому
I love your style of review and your conclusions. I do hope that Framework can continue to succeed as a company as I hope to buy my next laptop from them when I decide to move from my current Dell XPS 15. As you mentioned, there will be issues with a first gen product such as this. However, I have faith that they can and will iron out these issues in future revisions. In particular, a version with a dedicated GPU
@OskarBravo 2 роки тому
Thanks for the dope review, subscriber earned.
@ElevatedSystems 2 роки тому
Welcome!
@unutilized 2 роки тому
I own a framework and this review is pretty spot on. The sleep and battery stuff getting better would be killlerrrrrrrrrr, it'd be perfect!
@dubOZ 2 роки тому
I feel like the hardware related issues are definitely a big problem and might also be what makes it or breaks it for the company. now what they do after these issues arise is what will actually determine whether more people consider the brand or not. and rn I can't say for certain like I did half a year ago that I will be getting this as my next portable device.
@iskabin 2 роки тому
For a first gen it seems solid. But I still think it's too expensive for what it's worth :/
@marcosasisrodriguez 2 роки тому
Who would have thought the algorithm will recommend me this incredible channel!! Awesome review man, now going to the keyboard size computer video😆
@rijaja 9 місяців тому
I'm planning on buying the framework 16 when it comes out (after reviews, I don't want to preorder) but this is actually a useful review for things to look out for, to see if they've improved on what was suboptimal in the framework 13. Thank you
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