GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE, GeForce Premium Worth It?
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:34 - Ad Spot
01:19 - GeForce RTX 4070 Super vs. Radeon RX 7900 GRE
01:47 - Test System
02:02 - Rainbow Six Siege
02:21 - Counter-Strike 2
02:47 - Helldivers 2
03:14 - Starfield
03:34 - Call of Duty Warzone
04:15 - Fortnite
05:00 - Remnant II
05:41 - Horizon Forbidden West
06:27 - The Last of Us Part I
06:58 - Baldur's Gate 3
07:33 - Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
08:09 - Assassin's Creed Mirage
08:35 - The Callisto Protocol
09:08 - Resident Evil 4
09:48 - Far Cry 6
10:14 - Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
11:27 - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
12:13 - F1 23
13:00 - Forza Motorsport
13:56 - Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
14:56 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
15:50 - Dying Light 2 Stay Human
16:35 - Hogwarts Legacy
17:16 - Average Results
21:13 - Final Thoughts
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@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
Update: I found a settings error in Helldivers 2, the results are incorrect, though the margins are much the same at 1440p and 4K between these two GPUs. The correct data can now be found in the TechSpot article here, apologies for the mistake: www.techspot.com/review/2826-geforce-rtx-4070-super-vs-radeon-7900-gre/
@markolumovic2750 Місяць тому
Steve definition of vacation is weird to say the least.
@AlexHusTech Місяць тому
That's how you get to 1M subs, someone who loves his job/hobby, I need this level of dedication!
@Pedone_Rosso Місяць тому
To be fair, he didn't say how much chocolate was consumed during benchmarking... (LOL!)
@darcrequiem Місяць тому
No weirder than his definition of a shed 😄 The man built a house single-handedly and shrugs like it was no big deal. Steve is just built differently than the rest of us.
@BrandensOutdoorChannel Місяць тому
Holiday*
@Lodinn Місяць тому
Is it so uncommon though?.. Most people I know work through their vacations/holidays, maybe at like half capacity but still
@oktusprime3637 Місяць тому
It's important to remember that the 7900 GRE's memory is kind of underclocked out of the box. You can gain massive performance improvements with a memory OC, over 10% in a lot of cases.
@ChrispyNut Місяць тому
Indeed, I'm not sure that was as fully available during testing, was it? 🤔
@NeverSettleForMediocrity Місяць тому
you are delusional gains are minimal which doesn't change anything about this comparison
@keerthan7558 Місяць тому
10% isn't massive lol
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity Nvidia Shill detected.
@Axisoflords Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrityGiven the difference between the two averaged at just 1% - getting 5-10% free performance actually does change things ever so slightly. And it's still the cheaper product.
@raute2687 Місяць тому
these deep dives are always super interesting to watch. Good job and thank you!
@siddhantkamble9502 Місяць тому
That was a lot of testing. Thank you for your work Steve.
@mc_sim Місяць тому
Got GRE few days ago. Pretty happy about it. +50% gain to my 3060ti.
@PlainsSights Місяць тому
Ordered it yesterday, also to replace my 3060 TI, that 50% sounds reassurering
@walter1824 Місяць тому
@@Scott99259 is DLSS really 50% boost tho?
@mc_sim Місяць тому
@@Scott99259 i am not a marketing victim and i don't need fake performance with dlss or fsr or any other 'frame generation'. i want pure rasterization power and true native resolution quality. and don't tell me that dlss looks the same or doesn't have lag. that's physically impossible.
@Hito343 Місяць тому
Got GRE too, Hellhound amazing card probably the quietest while running cool card I've ever had so far. I don't use any upscalers they do look like shit, acceptable at 1440p tho.
@Scott99259 Місяць тому
@@walter1824 check dlss vs native comparision of hardware unboxed.
@dazzlerweb Місяць тому
We appreciate the work involved.
@poppinbubblez702 Місяць тому
Thank you guys for all your hard work!
@t5kcannon1 Місяць тому
Great content. Thanks Hardware Unboxed!
@aeropb Місяць тому
This seemed like a lot of work. Thanks for all you do.
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Місяць тому
Nah ... you cannot talk of work when the GPU's do all of it by themselves! =) [Kappa] Sure he had plenty of time searching for easter eggs ...
@steviebhoy25 Місяць тому
As a 3070 owner who fell for the raytracing waffle , I've enabled it in 3 games and then turned it off, raytracing seems to be for the spectator as I've never really noticed it while playing, what I did notice was the massive hit to fps and that's why it features stay off in my case. Also 8Gb VRAM is not enough now , the same way 12Gb won't be enough in 2-3 years
@dantae666 Місяць тому
Exactly im on a 2070 and can see it. im going xtx for the vram amount
@Flowave-cc5ul Місяць тому
Bro, same I have 3070 I just played guardians of the galaxy @ 4K ultra plus DLSS quality getting 75-89 fps And graphic are incredible ! Very tiny game drops doesn’t hurt my 8Vram or my enjoyment of the game highly recommended by the way
@lawyerlawyer1215 Місяць тому
You guys have gpus that can’t handle RT properly so you make massive performance sacrifices to get it and of course don’t see the win. Try games with good RT implications with a 4090 and then com e back tot ell em it’s not a night and day difference
@han1508 Місяць тому
RT not being as big as it is today is not the graphics card’s fault. Blame the developers who would rather spend resources and time in optimizing monetization and marketing.
@bal7ha2ar Місяць тому
@@lawyerlawyer1215 so i should buy a 4090 to see that the raytracing quality in most games is just as shit as with my old card but now with double the fps? uh no thanks ill just leave rt off and be happy
@Anukinihun Місяць тому
7900GRE in my opinion is the best high end midrange card this generation. Get last Gen Top end performance at just $550 with alot of overclocking potential and 16GB of VRAM
@zzavatski Місяць тому
Too many fell for Super branding. Regular 4070 also has 12GB and is less overpriced.
@hansolo631 Місяць тому
I have a 4080 and despite the cost, I've been happy with it the last few years. But I think AMD straight up made better cards this gen. Maybe the last one too tbh. The 6600xt, 6800, and 6800xt were monsters for their price. The 7900xtx is like 80% of the 4090 performance for what? 50% of the cost? IDK. If you guys can run raytracing at 280 hz, then fair enough. But the incoming gen I am going to have a very, very good look at whatever AMD comes out with
@sstier48 Місяць тому
@@zzavatskino.. the super is a better value ($ per fps)
@zzavatski Місяць тому
@@sstier48 When game requires more than 12GB both are the same (unplayable) performance. That's why the cheaper one is better deal.
@moc5661 Місяць тому
@@hansolo631 the 4080 hasn't even been released for a "few years" lol unless you're talking about the 3080..
@benwanders Місяць тому
Thank you Sir for apparently being the only media outlet that I know about that includes comprehensive DLSS details. I was doubting between exactly these 2 cards for a 3-4 year life span, and DLSS was exactly the hard-to-answer yet all important question I needed to know about.
@georgetowers4401 Місяць тому
Amazing video guys, this is all I needed to make an informed decision purchase. Thanks
@HeirofCarthage Місяць тому
These benchmark videos are awesome. The hard work put in definitely shows in the result. Also so helpful when it comes to choosing parts. Helps someone see what is right in their scenario.
@brucethen Місяць тому
Steve's idea of relaxing sounds like hard work, over the Easter break I was at a friends 60th birthday party and a great time was had by all
@Neonagi Місяць тому
I ended up going with the 4070 super because it has less of a power draw, and for very small case builds this is important to keep heat and noise levels down.
@m4d.d0x Місяць тому
Thank you for the great info I just really think that there should have been some OC numbers for the 7900 GRE since I think most will be rocking it with some degree of OC even more so with the new drivers and the memory unlock for way more than what we were able to. Other than being a bit more power hungry, about 100W compared to the 4070 Super the difference is quite noticeable and there’s a lot of frames to be gained from what I’ve seen, then again, thank you for all the work and the info on so many test for these cards!
@tdome3000 Місяць тому
Awesome! Yet another GRE test from Hardware Unboxed!
@ThePurplePassage Місяць тому
given how well the GRE can respond to overclocking, I think the benchmarks ought to have included this (although I get there is a separate video on this already)
@NeverSettleForMediocrity Місяць тому
it responds badly to overclocking due to the lottery, don't count on more than 5% + instability in different titles
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity lol you regardless of oc performance, Ray Tracing and DLSS premiums aren't worth if the GPU has only 12 GB . The only GPU worth buying is the 4090 for you know $1500
@MassivePaper Місяць тому
My gre memory crashes on anything over 2350mhz so yeah, basically stock. Got core to work at 26-2700 but it eats like 330 watts at max load
@colbyboucher6391 Місяць тому
@@markgutierez9922 They said literally nothing about Nvidia, just stated a fact about the cards. The GRE is cheaper because it's using lower-quality bins so the lottery is real. I get the temptation to shit on the big monopoly at ever opportunity but this comment kinda just adds nothing
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@colbyboucher6391 we watched a video comparing two GPUs all comments are made with the context in mind. His comment is basically saying there is no point in OC 7900 GRE not going to see any noticeable performance, I point out that Nvidia is still over priced. So we both point out negative aspects of one of the GPUs presented.
@alti6942 Місяць тому
The 7900 GRE with memory OC's hits the same figures as a 7900 XT (~10-15% increase on average) for $550 USD and with the 4 extra gigs of VRAM I think its a shame that it wasn't taken into consideration more heavily for your final thoughts especially since the only technical drawback to the GRE itself is its memory throughput compared to its much beefier CUs and its also relatively easy to do in AMD's own software
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Місяць тому
4 Gigs less VRAM of the 7900 GRE compared to the 7900 XT is indeed another technical drawback.
@mihirojha4475 Місяць тому
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I mean 16 GB is more than enough even for 4k gaming on most titles.
@Birdman._. Місяць тому
You could overclock rtx 4070 super too which matches a rx 7900 gre still(in hardware unboxed's video)
@tommysimonsen4043 Місяць тому
@@Birdman._. I don't know wich video you watche, but in the newest video, the 7900 GRE is faster then the 4070 super when both cards are OC'ed ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qWWllnmZpGd6uoE.html
@ulquiorrasciffer04 Місяць тому
Yeah but no amount of OC can get close to Nvidia's rendering speed. That 50 bucks difference is well damn worth it specialty if do both work and games. And Nvidia is more worth it in my country since they are priced at the same as amd cards.
@hasiktak1544 Місяць тому
Your videos are always at the point, thanks for upload
@tog2842 4 дні тому
Great timing, I am in the market for something around these price points. Superb video 👍🏼👍🏼
@NetNeelsie Місяць тому
No problem... Thank you for the video. Have a nice weekend.
@Chopper153 24 дні тому
Did you buy that AMD card?😂
@NetNeelsie 24 дні тому
@@Chopper153 I can't right now, building a house. I was thinking about getting the rx 7800xt later on.
@sergioav7278 Місяць тому
I think it should be important to point out if the 7900GRE was memory overclocked or not, since the uncap update gave this GPU a significant performance increase.
@tommysimonsen4043 Місяць тому
He was on vacation before the new driver came with the Vram OC. So this is done with no Vram OC
@wowzer4919 21 день тому
It did not give it a significant performance update for everybody. Only if you have the hynix memory. A lot of us can't even reach 2400 stable. So we're still pretty much 2316 fast timings. Nothing has really changed. And this is actually much more common than you think.
@Yellowswift3 Місяць тому
A very detailed and thorough dive into the benchmarks there, thanks for the hard work, Steve. The ray tracing deep dive you mentioned would also be an interesting piece of content should you decide to undertake it.
@sanjayr8325 Місяць тому
Liked and subscribed based in this video alone. Excellent work.
@Hjorth87 Місяць тому
Great video. I love the amount of data 😊
@Nightss10 Місяць тому
I'm really surprised there was no overclocked comparison at the end of this. Even just on 3 titles. It seems make quite a big difference actually. Great work as always Steve! Been here since before covid!
@jakeny7399 29 днів тому
Not surprised here. Overclocking capabilities varies widely depending on silicon that the cards got shipped with. You can have two 7900 gre/ 4070s from the same manufacturer with very different overclocking results.
@Extreme96PL Місяць тому
DLDSR + DLSS combo is alone worth it only way to make game with bad TAA to not look like blurry mess at 1080p. Difference in games like RDR2 or Jedi Survivor is like day and night on top of that DLDSR also help when game is aliased af.
@someasianguy8493 Місяць тому
Yep, people don't realise this. If you don't have DLDSR + DLSS, you are forced to increase the render scale and increase the sharpening in games like RDR2 if you want to reduce the blurriness of the awful TAA implementation.
@Extreme96PL Місяць тому
@@someasianguy8493increasing rendering scale increases the resolution, which is roughly what DLDSR does, but without the additional improvements that DLDSR and DLSS make to ensure image stability through AI. Sharpening isn't really the solution as there's still blurring that gets worse as you start moving. Plus, it's possible that sharpening will reveal what TAA is trying to hide. So far, the only way I've found to fix the blur is to increase the resolution, which will make the image more stable and less blurry. DLDSR + DLSS is the best because both of these things are intended to improve image stability and reduce TAA blur, but if you can't use it, the resolution scale will also improve the quality, but without DLSS the performance hit will be higher
@seamon9732 Місяць тому
Thrilled that you added Helldivers 2, the game is taking the gaming world by storm and is played so much!
@chrisfanning5842 Місяць тому
I think your wider analysis of all the existing RT-enabled games is going to be really important. I've owned an RTX card since the very start and I've found two games where the (considerable) framerate hit was even a noticeable visual improvement. Of the 75ish games Steam claims I've played since buying a first-gen RTX card, I didn't bother playing with RT effects enabled, I merely experimented with settings and decided that the massive hit to performance detracted from the experience far more than the slightly better visuals added to it.
@TerraWare Місяць тому
Thanks Steve.
@clifflenoir4323 26 днів тому
Back to you Steve.
@richardnpaul_mob Місяць тому
Yeah the non-overclocked GRE isn't great in this match up, pushing the memory interface though really let's it accelerate away from the 4070S from the benchmarks I've seen (and that was OC to OC). I've tried RT, I was not blown away by it given the free marketing everyone has been giving it, so I'll be interested in and watching the future videos.
@chriswright8074 Місяць тому
He needs test more games that doesn't favor one or the other
@richardnpaul_mob Місяць тому
@@chriswright8074 by saying that you're not appreciating the amount of work goes into testing the 25-odd games (over 50 game tests when including FSR/DLSS, RT) that he already tests
@jisjis87 Місяць тому
I'd love to see a behind the scenes video about these benchmarks. Like how you store the games and everything else you need to do in order to get the videos done.
@Guwapo77 Місяць тому
Really loving the new graphical overlay.
@norbertnagy4468 Місяць тому
Finally Helledivers 2!!!!! Thanks Steve
@Joeyratatouille Місяць тому
I love my GRE. Got it a few weeks ago finally after using the 1070 for over 6 years. It took me a while to figure out the amd tweaks and settings but once I got it all set it is working great.
@juliocardona3378 Місяць тому
what did you end up doing to the settings?
@Joeyratatouille 27 днів тому
@@juliocardona3378 memory OC and just general game-to-game optimization.
@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover Місяць тому
Lot of work, thank you so much.
@darrannorman6185 Місяць тому
Interesting and great analysis. I wonder what happened in MW3. GRE was well ahead of 4070 Super in your GRE Retest Video, now reversed. Different quality settings though.
@brad4690 Місяць тому
I went with the 7900 gre. I saved $50, got more vram for longevity, and I don't have to worry about that Nvidia power connector. If Nvidia had put that other 4gb of vram in there, they would have had my money.
@asdf_asdf948 Місяць тому
Now overclock the memory for a free 10% performance
@selohcin Місяць тому
I've watched a thousand Hardware Unboxed videos over the years, but never until today have I watched one during a week when I was actually planning to buy a GPU. I'm honored that Steve just happened to put in such an enormous amount of work on the one day I really needed it. I'm going AMD. Thanks, Steve.
@lawyerlawyer1215 Місяць тому
Do you put attention and still took the wrong choice going AMD? Yikes
@HotSexyDads Місяць тому
@@lawyerlawyer1215 Try one more time in english this time lil bud
@hollyh888 Місяць тому
great choice personally i would have gotten nvidia if they didnt ask shit prices and specs on cards that just arent good. i like amd software a lot. more user friendly.
@josejuanandrade4439 Місяць тому
So you didn't watch the video then? GRE loses at everything but 4k. And lots of tittles the performance at 4k isnt good... just better then the 4070 super. Then you also lose at upscaling, raytracing, and power consumption. AMD trained their fanboys well LOL
@dare2liv_nlove Місяць тому
@@josejuanandrade4439 You mean, Nvidia trained their fanboys well (judging by your comment). As Steve clearly said at the end of the video, "you could go either way" depending on what you are prioritizing in your purchase.
@minhoek3252 Місяць тому
exactly the video i wanted! thank you howow onbox
@adrianfr05 Місяць тому
Will this be really the last 7900gre video? 🤣 loving them btw
@spoots1234 Місяць тому
After seeing the RTX remix for NFS underground, its hard to ignore RT completely anymore.
@pkerch00b1 Місяць тому
Managed to snag a 7900gre for 510 euro. Seems like a good deal.
@izidor Місяць тому
good deal mate. Well done. Bought mine a week ago for 560€, no regrets tho. The card is a beast, specially in OC.
@PillowOfEvil Місяць тому
Sounds like mindfactory prices. I can't find anything in my country under 670€
@Sirpesari Місяць тому
Would love one for that price, in Finland they're unfortunately starting at 649
@PillowOfEvil Місяць тому
Sucks. I could find some for around 630€, but immediately after the oc unlock, prices jumped up.
@urgay1992 Місяць тому
Yeah both the cheapest 4070 super and 7900 GRE are 650€ here.
@NainGeantMiniature Місяць тому
This was very useful. I ended up going for the GRE a few days ago simply because of the OC performance uplift it showcases at 1440p. The 4070S is simply not competitive vs. an OC'ed 7900GRE
@bearsbeatsbattlestargalact4297 Місяць тому
Lately it has been just gaming performance comparison. You guys should include some productivity benchmarks as well like video editing, 3d softwares, etc. It helps in choosing relatively better GPU suited according to your needs. Not everyone plays games day & night. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
@sparkplugbarrens Місяць тому
It's great that you clarify, how raytracing drops frame rate to subjectively unplayable gaming experience in most titles at 1440p even with the 4070 super.
@AndyViant Місяць тому
I remember buying a 2070 Super over a 2060 Super in the hope of playing ray traced games with it. Oh, how I laugh about that now.
@oktusprime3637 Місяць тому
Tha's complete bullshit. Most RT titles run great at 1440p on the 4070S. They fall apart at 4K but the 4070S is not a 4K+RT card anyway.
@SimplCup Місяць тому
"in most titles" which were like 3, one of them unoptimized as shit (ratchet n clank), another is Cyberpunk which literally has real life lighting option basically and the most insane graphics in gaming history, and hogwarts legacy. And they all can be run with dlss/fsr and fg at at least 60-100 fps. while in reality most titles run smoothly at 1440p ultra ray tracing setting at 70-150 fps even without dlss and fg (tho i still turn them on, cus TSR and TAA AA solutions look horrendous compared to dlss quality mode, and fg is just free fps basically). Both rtx 4070 super and 7900 gre showed great results.
@ALLInOne-vq5em Місяць тому
Nope, they're not. Take Nvidia titles like Alan Wake 2; the 4070 Super won't hit 60 fps at RT high on 1440P. Same deal with Cyberpunk 2077. Other games don't hit GPUs as hard, though, for both AMD and Nvidia.
@SimplCup Місяць тому
@@ALLInOne-vq5em yes, but is it "most titles"? no, it's just a couple very demanding games, or unoptimized. 99% of games will run perfectly fine on 4070 super and 7900gre, some even at 4k.
@fracturedlife1393 Місяць тому
Thanks for democratically benching Helldivers 2. Must try this dx11 switch 😅
@tallsz559 Місяць тому
Good job showing the upscaling results, I feel like few reviewers do this.
@ronaldgutman5980 25 днів тому
Good Job Steve, great summary of what to expect for your dollars!
@mikesunboxing Місяць тому
Just swapped my 7800xt for the msi Rtx 4070 super slim and don’t regret it
@silvio351 Місяць тому
you`ll regret it, just not today,
@lucaschenJC Місяць тому
Congrats 4070 super is great
@mikesunboxing Місяць тому
@@lucaschenJC yeah for me it was a better choice for my work as rasterisation in games is less important than a smooth timeline in premiere
@Danny-ex3tj 21 день тому
@@silvio351 I got a Radeon 7800XT previously and had serious driver issue timed out twice in an hour, black screen. DDU in safe mode, reinstalled latest drivers(tried older and newer gen), RMA and received another dud, checked all my connections if plugged in properly. Do you know how to solve this problem, cause it's driving me crazy, in-fact I am not the only one with this issue(Can easily google it). I previously had 6800XT(XFX RMA twice) , Zotac 1080Ti (Artifacting so can't RMA since warranty expired) My current specs: 7800x3d 2x16GB 6000MHz (EXPO enabled) Team Group RAM TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI Corsair RM850e 2TB 980 Pro (Game drive) In my country it cost converted ~USD$50 more to get RTX 4070 super, so was thinking about it. I already regret my 7800XT many months ago. Was thinking about 7900XTX but even people reported driver timeout issue...
@user-qt6qe2vd1q Місяць тому
In my opinion you should add Witcher 3 in RT tests, difference there is huge in visuals.
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
True! And 4070 Super should be a lot faster in that game with RT.
@pravnav Місяць тому
It's optimised like shit
@band0lero Місяць тому
@@pravnav Only on Novigrad, where it is heavily CPU limited. On more graphics intensive scenario it can give a pretty good indication of RTX performance. It is pretty heavy, but so is every Ray Tracing implementation that makes a difference.
@evanhooper1 Місяць тому
@@band0lero The thing about the TW3 next gen update is now even with RTX turned off, the performance is much worse than the 1.32 'last gen' version. The directX 12 implementation was horribly done
@kren4449 Місяць тому
@@evanhooper1with rt off, fsr quality and pretty high settings (a mix of high/ultra/ultra+) the new directx 12 version works decently enough on my radeon 6600 @ 1440p while looking better than the old version. From what I've read online it appears that people with amd cards and rt off generally don't have many problems with getting decent performance on witcher 3 ng
@brianbarker6876 11 днів тому
Great review. I was able to get the Gigabyte GAMING OC 4070 Super for $610 (as of now from New Egg) then combine with 5% discount using a Microcenter account so a 4070 Super Gaming OC for $579.50. If you’re looking for a 4070 Super right now and are in position to take advantage of this combo discount I hope this helps you get the max value for your money. Started my search in March thinking I might get a 4060ti but reviews convinced me to stretch my budget. I wanted best possible 1player visuals at 1440 for cyberpunk and helldivers so it was a no brainer between these cards.
@MrSmitheroons Місяць тому
What a polished and thorough conclusion. If the charts were a bit complicated and showed mixed results depending on which particular games/settings you care about, the conclusion was easy to follow and went way beyond just digesting the graphs. Tons of context added about the market, games, value, upscaling/frame gen tech and what it is/isn't good for... Amazingly thorough! I won't buy either GPU, but I feel a lot more informed about the state of games and PC hardware after watching this! That said, if you folks need to take more breaks and put out slightly fewer videos, I wouldn't mind and I think most of the viewers wouldn't either. Sure, there might be a loss of revenue from having less videos (less total watch time, fewer ad views, that's how UKposts revenue works, right?) but trade-offs, you know. If it'd help you folks have a better work-life balance it may be worth it! Anyway, I'll leave that sort of thing to you folks, you know your own needs best. Just thought I'd put that out there. Best to you! Thanks for all the wisdom!
@Steve30x Місяць тому
I bought a 7900gre two weeks ago and I have a feeling my 5600x is bottlenecking it even though my ram is 3733mhz. Also I have the CPU set to boost @ 4.85ghz with pno2 curve optimizer at negative 20. I'm going to upgrade my CPU to either a 5700x3d or 5800x3d.
@roki977 Місяць тому
It does for sure. 5800x3d is minimum for that GPU.. Skip 5700x3d if you can..
@Steve30x Місяць тому
@@roki977 there's only about €30 difference between the two anyway but it will have to wait a few weeks because my cooker died just a week after buying the 7900gre
@roki977 Місяць тому
@@Steve30x i had 5700x at 4.85ghz and frames drops in every cpu demanding scenario like in cp2077 with lots of NPCs or simillar thing in Warzone and all that with rx 6800. With 5800x3d all those drops are almost gone, i have 7800xt now. Just saying its out of my exp..
@hollyh888 Місяць тому
yes just buy a 5800x3d and enjoy the motherboard for a long time still. till hell maybe even am6
@michahojwa8132 Місяць тому
Fabio from Ancient Gameplays did a piece on this, but with OC/UV - he basically redefined the Way it's done - like raising core voltage for better result. With the new way GRE becomes OC monster. About your video - I really like how you put raster and rt results in one place.
@jonadkins9339 Місяць тому
Upgraded to the Gigabyte Gaming OC GRE from my GTX 1080 and I'm happy with it so far. Unfortunately for me (and why you can't promise overclocking) the memory on mine just won't overclock well. Anything past 2.4GHz just crashes, so no big gains from overclocking for me, but those that can get closer to the 2.5-2.6Ghz number on the memory will enjoy a great value!
@eventhorizon9598 Місяць тому
Perfect timing for this review as i am currently whether GRE or 4070S.
@eventhorizon9598 Місяць тому
Reason is my 6600XT being to slow for Helldivers. Currently playing it at 1080p 16:9 60 fps on my 21:9 UWQHD monitor.
@TouzeenHussain Місяць тому
Rocking a 5600X and a Sapphire Pure 7900GRE
@dariosucevac7623 Місяць тому
i am curious on if you get bottlenecked by your cpu? how are the 1% lows on 1440p? im planning on getting the same gpu but i have a ryzen 5600, thanks in advance
@TouzeenHussain Місяць тому
@@dariosucevac7623 don't care about bottlenecks. But I will get a 5800X3d if I get a good used deal in the future. Right now all my games are 90-180fps at 1440p. I use a 144hz monitor so I can it at 144 anyway. Really happy with the card. And F RT.
@lucidnonsense942 Місяць тому
12GB vram for 600$? Yeah, hard pass...
@ScrayaZ Місяць тому
perfectly fine for wqhd
@MGK195 Місяць тому
i rather take 12GB on a functional GPU with basically flawless drivers compared to the absolute abomination of what RDNA3 is... (and i own a 7800XT and 7900XTX)
@nexii1479 Місяць тому
How about ultrawide?@@ScrayaZ
@enragedbacon470 Місяць тому
kekw you probably aren't buying either of them, you're just here to complain and validate your salt
@isaacx593 Місяць тому
Agreed, should have been 16gb
@walter274 10 днів тому
Great Video. I can think of 6 games that i think really benefit from RT: Control, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk, Ratchet and Clank, Dying Light 2, and Metro. In general, I think RT reflections can have a big visual impact. RT shadows are noticable, but underwhelming. RT GI is verry noticable, but very costly.
@fuzzylumpkins6034 Місяць тому
I feel like sitting on my RX6700xt and holding off upgrading did me a solid. I did pick up the 7900GRE (asrock steel legend white edition at £480) and it has been amazing. I have now adjusted the clock speeds and my experience was different from yours. Components will also play a difference and I do not (neither should any gamer) even think about RT or dlss. Both are still limited gimmicks. I have the 7900GRE paired with a ryzen 5 7600. The Nvidia cards have a place and it is streaming/editing. If you are using the gpu for those plus gaming you will not be wasting a single pence on the 4070/4070 super. I can do those very well on the GRE but it is not what I bought the card for. It is the exact amount I paid for the 6700xt at release and I clawed back £300 from it.
@Uthleber Місяць тому
You should only buy a 7900 GRE if you are willing to (memory) OC it. otherwise just take the 7800 xt for the AMD side.
@jimmybobby9400 Місяць тому
You just move a slider and click a button.
@Uthleber Місяць тому
@@jimmybobby9400 and even this, could be a challenge for some folks 🙂
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
It generally takes a pretty good core bump too. I haven't heard of silicon so bad that people can't get 2700MHz with a 1010mv baseline and a +15% TDP.
@pauloazuela8488 Місяць тому
@@andersjjensen so far the issue of GRE with the bad overclock wasn't silicon related but bugs due to driver issues that AMD released a driver that should be the fix and I've seen videos of it that it fixes it. But I do not know how stable it is
@andersjjensen Місяць тому
@@pauloazuela8488 The numbers above are post "fix" numbers. You could do it before, but you had to use PowerTables via the registry.
@TearyBoi Місяць тому
Can we get a massive GPU benchmark for helldivers 2? 😮
@fracturedlife1393 Місяць тому
Maybe some CPU 🤞
@magikarp2063 Місяць тому
Well you basically got everything you need to know from this video - Nvidia massive advantage. But it would be okay to see since its a veryy popular one.
@hak116 Місяць тому
Heres to hoping that amd users get driver updates to bring the gre up to par with nvidia cards, so everyone can spread democracy with smoooth framerates!
@ranjitmandal1612 Місяць тому
🔥
@toad7395 Місяць тому
Nvidia currently has the advantage (I assume in all 4000 vs 7000 series gpus). Probably because the developers tested using nvidia GPUs and not AMD gpus. Hopefully AMD updates their drivers to combat it, I doubt helldivers 2 will release an update to increase AMD performance.
@DakkhonBlackBlade 19 днів тому
Great vid!! I would still go with RTX. Ty for the deep dive.
@AndersHass Місяць тому
It would be interesting to have deep dive into raytracing in various games. It might even help future testing since it can make less sense to test for games with very minor visual improvements compared to the ones it makes a visual improvement. I would suspect more games going forward will have more worthwhile raytracing.
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
Hi Steve you probably hear this a lot but i love you
@Hardwareunboxed Місяць тому
Not enough for my liking, so thank you haha
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
@@Hardwareunboxed
@X2yt Місяць тому
Nvidia is not worth it, unless you need CUDA support. So basically anything even remotely AI related, Nvidia is a must. Also for productivity. Then it's worth it. For pure 100% gaming, AMD is almost always better for the money.
@husaink Місяць тому
Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed!
@broc4354 23 дні тому
2 GPU's over 58 games?!?!?! You're a madman, Steve, and I appreciate you and your teach so much!
@romeoszabo1340 Місяць тому
Also the gre has a big oc potentional like u show in the other video, +30% power limit,undervolt and +3gbs for the memory and u get +10-15% fps so basicaly 4070 ti performance
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
Actully, As per tpu charts, Adding %15 to the gre should actually make it as fast as the 4070ti Super.
@Reac2 Місяць тому
That's not even a overclock or just barely. Looking at the 7800 xt and the 7900 xt and comparing what the 7900 GRE parts are rated for, the entire GPU basically comes underclocked out of the box and what you are describing is just setting the GPU to what it should be
@romeoszabo1340 Місяць тому
@@Reac2 Yeah i think about the same, its nearly an 7900xt with narrower bus and comes out underclock, so u can undervolt and have the same performance as the 4070 super with max 200-210w power compsumption or u can go with the pw limit uv oc with 300w pw usage but little bit faster than a 4070 ti/4070 ti super
@nicane-9966 Місяць тому
@@TheGrizz485thsts pushing too far, the 4070 ti super is between 15 to 20% faster than the 4070s. It will just barelly surpass the 4070ti.... Barelly. Steve uploaded a video about it.
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
@@nicane-9966 acoording to TPU the overclocked 7900GRE is the same performance as the stock 4070ti SUPER
@mercurio822 Місяць тому
no the Nvidia premium is not worth it when you only get 12gb vram.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Nvidia's "premium" is more mindshare than anything else.
@joelconolly5574 Місяць тому
It's enough for 1440p gaming
@gunturbayu6779 Місяць тому
@@joelconolly5574 same mindset as people who bought 8gb 3070/ti , look at them now lol
@gcz4457 Місяць тому
@@joelconolly5574 Maybe now, but in the future?
@CrazO9111 Місяць тому
AMD need 1-2GB VRAM more ingame aswell dont forget that. Nvidia Card is fine for 1080p/1440p for the next 3 Years.
@lifeisinserthere 16 днів тому
After this video, my Ray Tracing FOMO has finally been cured. I no longer have concerns about picking Team Red over Green, which is my default bias anyway. That being said, VRAM and pricing still has me in a SERIOUS PICKLE--as I'm still undecided between 7900 GRE, XT, or XTX and seem to change my mind everyday. Ughhhh. If only pricing was the way it used to be, I would shell out for the XTX no questions asked!! Thanks for the vid as always!!
@mraltoid19 Місяць тому
This is an excellent video. I really like my 7900GRE, I just wish that overclocking was included. It looks like you can make a 7900GRE perform like a 7900XT, with skill and luck, while I don't think the 4070-Super is capable of overclocking to the performance of the 4070-TI Super. Would've been interesting to include, but I get why due to variance in models...thanks for the excellent video.
@pw1169 Місяць тому
Can we have a linux vs windows benchmark with these cards and cpu?
@user-xe6sm4jv8f Місяць тому
Oh man, that would be such a pain to benchmark! I can 100% guarantee that the moment Linux is mentioned, there will be comments like "yOu UsEd wRoNg dIsTrO" and "ummm ackshually thats the wrong version of dxvk it has 1.3% worse performance". Considering the sheer amount of variables to the amount of games tested it probably isn't worth it...
@pw1169 Місяць тому
@@user-xe6sm4jv8f It don't think it would be too bad. Just go for an 'out of the box' distro config and start benchmarking. At worst the benchmarks have to be run twice. It would be so interesting though! Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested :D
@izidor Місяць тому
I got yesterday my 7900 GRE Pulse...the GPU is just a monster in terms of OC. 25 262 Timespy points. Since they open up the MEM OC the card is super interesting. Easy 4070 Ti Super performance possible. OFC this is not the standard. Super luck with my sample.
@niteh4wkk926 Місяць тому
fr I managed to get my 7800xt running with mem clocks over 2750mhz and the uplift was crazy
@jackywickzzz7369 Місяць тому
Well done for this video. Just wondering if games like cyberpunk & ratchet use alot of performance when turn on rt. Maybe it will be better to try with mid rt settings.
@mike306dt Місяць тому
It would be nice with cards like the GRE if you actually upped the memory clock or offered something regarding overclocking. The GRE has heaps of memory headroom and benefits greatly from clock increase!
@anthonyc2159 Місяць тому
7900 GRE: 16GB VRAM @ 256 bits vs 4070 Super: 12GB VRAM @ 192 bits. Which one do you think will age better? And even Steve admits raytracing is still a joke in most games. It is NOT worth the loss of 40% FPS over some 'enhanced reflections' that I can barely notice during gameplay. If Nvidia had a bit of shame, they would be releasing RT with Blackwell since full path tracing brings even the 4090 to its knees. 😮💨
@w04h Місяць тому
What will age better? A gpu that uses hardware upscaling and has a company that consistently updates it and also introduces new features every few months, compared to company that let their sh1t software upscaling rot with no major updates for over a year so badly that Intel, a competitor that just entered the gpu market, already has a better looking hardware and software solution? Tell me. Even as a programmer who likes using AMD's Xilinx products I have to say they have been stagnating pretty bad on the software and feature side.
@ranjitmandal1612 Місяць тому
😮
@sensei_... Місяць тому
Got a 7900gre oc version brandnew with normal warran4y ect from my retailer for 480$ and I live in switzerland where prices are insane and I love it. Getting 95fps in CP77 in 4k ultra settings without frame gen, only with amd upscaling
@cybernd6426 Місяць тому
I personally think, that it would be interesting to see how both GPUs are while being Overclocked, because I personally think that if you are willing to overclock it can be a strong selling point of the 7900 GRE, but I would still like to have more data on that. I mean we already have the 12 Game tests, which makes me think that. But 50 games and side by side with RT included sounds even more interesting to me
@SilverforceX Місяць тому
I don't give a rats about ray tracing. Its still way too heavy on perf for the minor visual gains, and in many titles, the shadows aren't even better with RT, just different.
@Frozoken Місяць тому
Yep they need to learn that the most exciting features are the ones with little to no downsides. This is why barely anyone actually cares about/uses features like ray tracing and frame gen. There's way too much of a trade off with both. Thats the same reason i love reflex so much because while the benefit is mild to moderate, there's literally 0 downside so I can always enable it no matter what.
@noahflare6825 Місяць тому
💯
@pelpiBro Місяць тому
someone having amd and he cant play games with ray tracing,so mad
@baronvonslambert Місяць тому
Yep, tried rt myself in a handful of titles and also thought it just looked different, not overall better. The only things I actually prefer RT for are sun shadows and water reflections, that's it. Anything else can look just different to a lot worse than just running high/ultra settings for normal rasterization. Unfortunately very few titles offer that level of control over their rt settings where you can limit it to the sun and water. Pathtracing overall seems like it looks better though, at least in the Nvidia tech demo that is Cyberpunk anyways. Unfortunately consumer level pathtracing is the better part of a decade away and right now you basically need a super computer based on alien technology from the depths of Area 51 to run it unless you have 4090 money and are ok with massive amounts of upscaling on your hyperexpensive halo GPU just to hit barely playable framerates, which I am not. DLSS, FSR, XESS, doesn't matter which one, they all look like garbage when you try anything more than 20-25% over native, idc what anyone else says.
@Tainted79 Місяць тому
The problem with benchmarking the 7900GRE is it's bandwidth starved out of the box. It needs to be memory Oc'd to see its full potential. And then you'll get into endless arguments saying its not a fair match up.
@sgredsch Місяць тому
yea well without manual tuning its basically a 7800xt. the 7900gre is really only interesting as a tinker gpu that needs manual tuning. thats where the value of the gpu is.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Then they should have released it that way. Which perfectly illustrates steve's comment that AMD can't afford to leave performance on the table at low market-share.
@markgutierez9922 Місяць тому
@@sgredsch it's been a while since I had the chance to mess with a GPU and get decent results. And with the radeon software per game profiles I get to set individual oc profiles for each game for maximum performance. Indeed I have been having more fun playing with the GPU settings than the actual games 😂.
@stangamer1151 Місяць тому
What do you mean by "needs"? Every card can be overclocked, including 4070 Super. And it is even more constrained by it's mem bandwidth than GRE.
@josejuanandrade4439 Місяць тому
If a product NEEDS to be tinkered with, to work as it should.. THEN IS A BAD PRODUCT. Then again, all cards can benefit from oc'ing, not just your precious AMD cards. So please, lower your fanboyism a notch, would you?
@OdiumDei2 Місяць тому
Was about to complain power consumption was not even mentioned in the video, glad i watched it till the end before i did! Still think power consumption would have been nice to have an index in the timebar. I don't think 13% less power consumption for equal performance is negligible, but to each their own. Maybe before doing a deep dive on the value of ray tracing it would be agood idea to do a deep dive on 1080p native vs. 1440p upscaled first? Because if you can only play 1440p+raytracing when using upscaling, maybe it would be good to know about those tradeoffs first? I do not just mean fps vs fidelity...there is so much more going on for 1080p vs 1440p...a native 1080p display will be cheaper AND smaller, which means you need to sit a bit closer to your display to get equal FOV with your human eyes etc etc...i would really love to hear the thoughts of gamers who have access to the best displays for both resolutions.
@pccoldwar9160 Місяць тому
what a great VS done here feel very completed data and love the conclusion part. -Big wish keep the formula VS in futur review -for my price point at 1440p upscaling is more extend life of product so have interest in it. -on the other hand raytracing is out my price braket so i don't care so far no worthy game to mentionusing requiered to enjoy it seem to me a check box for flagship categorie out of my league.
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
I would love a showcase for RT. So far I am not impressed. I still remember going from Half Life to Far Cry with beautiful DX9 water. To Crysis with beautiful shader effects and great dynamic shadows and foliage and huge levels. Those games were worth the asking price of a faster GPU so you could play on high. These days I play Control on a 1080ti and 3080ti and... After a while I just turn of RT and run it at 4K where the 1080ti could do 1080P. Tried Cyberpunk at different quality levels and different RT levels. After a while I also turned those off because after playing a while I don't even know if RT is on or off. I have to check the settings or find an area where RT would make a difference.
@tonymorris4335 Місяць тому
You can't tell the reflection difference on the ground with RTX on and off with Cyberpunk? I agree with every example you gave (another old gamer) but RTX in cyberpunk, ESPECIALLY in the rain, is mind blowinging good looking and realistic.
@wakingfromslumber9555 Місяць тому
@@tonymorris4335 yeah Cyberpunk is the only game where you can see a difference since the game is just literally neon lights and puddles.😅
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
@@tonymorris4335 When I am sight seeing to see what RT can do I can see it. But ask me after 30 minutes of gaming if I have been gaming with RT on or off... I would have to check my memory if I saw better reflections in puddles. Go play Far Cry in DX8. Go play Crysis on low. You know that you have been gaming on a potato GPU. A nice example would be the DX10 mode of Crysis. That gave smoke that didn't clip through the floor. Looks nice. But wasn't worth the performance hit so you turn it off and you forget whether smoke looks normal or fancy.
@antonvlasov6628 Місяць тому
I watched a russian video about RT a while ago. The gist of it was that lights in most modern raster games are built with first implementing RT on a scene and then a person manually sets shadows and light sources (which is pain in the ass sometimes). Also that's the reason why we don't have good physics in games because there won't be a correct shadow representation on certain objects or it would take more gpu power than raytracing. The reason for implementing real time RT is to cut time and costs of production and to get more correct lightning. So I think I'll be better in general when all GPUs can use RT at playable frame times.
@Ferdinand208 Місяць тому
@@antonvlasov6628 Yes. Most of those features are in Unreal engine 5 and run on non-RT hardware. But it is going to be great for gamemakers in 2030 when every GPU can do RT with performance.
@Alexruja3227 Місяць тому
In my country, funny enough, the 4070 Super is cheaper than the 7900 GRE, about 10-20$ cheaper, so I went with that in the end.
@MikaelKKarlsson Місяць тому
Help Steve take a load off by running the summary segment at 0.5x speed. He's been sneaking in work during his time off and can use our help. 😊
@VelcroSnake93 Місяць тому
I hope they enable DX11 mode in Helldivers 2 as an option in Helldivers 2, it greatly helps performance on AMD cards, although some AMD cards can no longer run it after some of the game updates. (as in forcing it to run in DX11 mode through a launch command)
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
Hey Steve, a much fairer assessment in the final thoughts than the previous "AMD has to be 20% cheaper" argument. Fair on VRAM, Ray Tracing and the pro's and con's of both. As for the rest in my opinion: I still say the Adrenaline software suite is still a bit better than GFE (or whatever its called now), but DLSS is better than FSR. However, since both make your visual quality noticably softer and blurrier, i'd never use them either way. And FG is just terrible for both vendors. And as you said, ray tracing only really matters with the 4080/4090. This class of GPU's just isn't fast enough without upscaling. So you have slightly more accurate shadows, but a blurrier visual. Not really a selling point to me.
@tomgreene5388 Місяць тому
How is this a much more fair assessment when all you said was a bunch of opinions and things you prefer lol. Not everyone will want or prioritize the same things as you.
@The_Noticer. Місяць тому
@@tomgreene5388 The first part of the comment is a remark to steve, then a new line starts, and it literally says: "IN MY OPINION". I did that specifically to prevent comments like these. But alas, bellcurve and everything. There is no way you can provide enough caveats for some room temp IQ's that failed basic reading skills.
@user-wq9mw2xz3j Місяць тому
id easily get 4070 super even without RT/dlss consideration because they are basically same price where I live, especially if I consider the model/cooler since 4070s needs a lesser one because it uses less power. The dlss, on games like msfs with frame gen, is just a big plus.
@davidkupr_fut6865 Місяць тому
Can u include the finals for both cpu and gpu tests its very good
@darkfeeels Місяць тому
I cannot believe the amount of effort you put into testing these products consistently. Thank you so much for your sincere efforts for this community - you guys are the GOAT.
@Steve30x Місяць тому
I saw a British truck driver who is converting a truck cabin into a truck simulator. He has 4 x 4k TVs that he thinks a bog standard rtx 4070 will be powerful enough to drive the four 4k TVs 😂 He was also gushing at the 12gb Vram on the GPU 😂.
@RaceT3ch Місяць тому
uh oh
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Місяць тому
Guy thought 4090 and 4070 aren't very different.
@T0asty- Місяць тому
4070s could easily do 4k on one monitor, that's what my brother does. 4 of em though? No I don't think so. Lol
@helldogbe4077 Місяць тому
Should've just bought VR glasses...
@Steve30x Місяць тому
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I replied to one of his videos when he revealed he was going to use 4 x 4k TVs to say he will need a lot of computing power for this. He thumbed up the comment but he still doesn't have a clue 😂. He would need at least two 4090 GPUs in sli especially for euro truck simulator which he is going to run. My 5700XT had trouble running that game at 2560 x 1080 at high settings. The game is very unoptimised.
@vvhitevvizard_ Місяць тому
12GB of 4070S is a big nono Nvidia could make RTX 4070 Super much better if they make it with 256bit bus width and 16GB VRAM. With 4000 series, Nvidia lost its touch with reality. 4060, 4060 ti 8/16, 4070(ti) just feel as a rip-off. And RX 7900 GRE would be more compelling for $500.
@exception6651 Місяць тому
I’m sorry but most people that buy these cards won’t be playing in 4k or using max settings, Evan if they are they’ll be using dlss anyway. In new games 12gb will not be a issue it’s very rare I use over 12gb on my 4090 at 4k 🤷♂️
@vvhitevvizard_ Місяць тому
@@exception6651 12GB is not enuf for frame generation, RTX, etc. Even for 1080P very high settings. Also, more VRAM is required for AI related stuff. TODAY. And its definitely NOT-FUTUREPROOF.
@raimishakir Місяць тому
@@vvhitevvizard_May i know what game required more than 12GB VRAM at 1080p? i own 4070ti. So far the game i've played never exceed 12GB VRAM at 1440p (i don't have 4K monitor). Even if memory usage exceed 12GB VRAM 4070ti is not capable to run most of the game in 4k anyway. The same apply to the 7900GRE. Even if the VRAM is sufficient it cant do 4K too.
@angeltzepesh1 Місяць тому
The Nvidia rip-off started way before the 4000 series, just look how bad the RTX 2000 series was, it was basically the 1000 series with RT cores while increasing the price. 3000 and 4000 series are good in a vacuum, but they suffer from gimped memory configurations and overprice, most of the lineup at least.
@kraithaywire Місяць тому
@@vvhitevvizard_ then how the hell is 4070 Super outperforming the 7900GRE at 1440p and 4k with ray tracing????????????
@EthanLeitch Місяць тому
Thanks for the great video! I've just ordered a 4070 SUPER here in Australia for $950. It was a difficult choice between the 4060 Ti 8gb/16gb, 7800 XT, and 7900 XT. In the end I compared $ per frame on all of them: 4060 Ti 8GB was good, but the 16GB was a terrible value even at 4K. The 7800 XT was fantastic value but I really just wanted the NVIDIA features, and the 4070 SUPER actually had better price to performance than the 4070 with current pricing.
@hendersonseena Місяць тому
I believe you paid too much money. I got the rx 7900 gre for $520.00 close to the proformace of your card for hundreds cheaper. All the extra bells for the nivida card is not worth the price difference. But it's your choice.
@EthanLeitch Місяць тому
@@hendersonseena that's Australian dollars, here the cheapest new 7900 GRE is $929 and 4070 SUPER is $949.
@ishiddddd4783 28 днів тому
it depends a lot on what you value, vram won't be a concern with either of these since better asset streaming is being implemented, especially in UE5, and it's the price range were radeon is good value, so if you don't mind losing 4gb for feature set, there's the nvidia card for 50usd more, if you don't mind subpar software, but pretty decent hardware and cheaper, there's the GRE
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
Not considering the 7900GREs huge ~%15 overclocking headroom is huge oversight in the analysis. It's the only reason many people are buying it. I think that this and it's 16gb memory buffer makes it a direct competitor to the 4070ti Super.
@fVNzO Місяць тому
It's not guaranteed performance, both cards can be overclocked. And no, the vast majority of people do not overclock or undervolt. You should be able to easily make that decision yourself armed with your own knowledge about OC'ing if that's what you're intending to do. There's no "oversight", the video is not a big maths equation it just relays data. It's up to you calculate your own weighted sum. It's not that deep.
@TheGrizz485 Місяць тому
But most cards have only %4-%5 OC headroom. It's a waste not capatalize on the GREs oc headroom if it's being considered.
@Eleganttf2 Місяць тому
lol these amd fanboys are never satisfied
@AndyViant Місяць тому
@@TheGrizz485 yes, but you might get a 7900GRE that only lets you memory O/C to 2300. Or you might buy a brand of 7900 GRE with a really bad power limit. The same goes the other way, the Nvidia reference Super boards were crap for power limits but some AIB partners fixed that, and that allows more like 7-8% O/C. Some people have had minimal memory overclocking success with the GRE and stability issues. Applying the fast memory timings option on the card seem to be almost as good as higher memory overclocks anyway. The only fair way to do it is to benchmark what you get with factory settings, naming the specific products, and if you've played with overclocking and found one seems pretty good (or heard it through industry) then mention it might be a plus but YMMV. Which is exactly what Steve did.
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