Has China Won? | Kishore Mahbubani | John Mearsheimer | Tom Switzer

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CIS Executive Director, Tom Switzer interviews John Mearsheimer and Kishore Mahubani to ask Has China Won?
At a time when tensions are running high, CIS Executive Director Tom Switzer asked Has China Won? Our debate between John Mearsheimer and Kishore Mahbubani, two of the world’s leading foreign policy intellectuals. Covid-19 has greatly raised tensions between China and the West. Washington and its allies express outrage at the Communist regime’s opacity concerning the outbreak of the coronavirus. Meanwhile, fears are growing that a pandemic that began in the Chinese city of Wuhan may end by increasing Beijing’s international influence and power.
Kishore Mahbubani is author of Has China Won? The Chinese Challenge to American Primacy (just out, PublicAffairs) A former Singaporean ambassador to the United Nations (twice), he was the founding dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. He was a guest of CIS in September 2018.
John Mearsheimer is author of The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities (Yale University Press, 2019) and The Tragedy of Great Power Politics (Norton, 2014.) He is professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago. He was a guest of CIS in August 2019.
Tom Switzer, has written for the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, The Spectator, Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, The National Interest, The American Interest and The American Conservative. He has also appeared on CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg, Al Jazeera, Sky News, SBS, Seven, Nine, Ten and ABC radio and television. He hosts Between the Lines on the ABC's Radio National.
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@queenking3520
@queenking3520 3 роки тому
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
@peace4future865
@peace4future865 3 роки тому
The question is not if China will rise peacefully. The question is if China would be allowed to rise peacefully.
@user-gf6ej9rz8p
@user-gf6ej9rz8p 3 роки тому
hahah, right, China never wants to invade other countries, but USA navy and air force always enter south China sea and Esten China sea to make trouble.
@queenking3520
@queenking3520 3 роки тому
The question is not if China will rise peacefully, the question is if US will go down peacefully.
@jfjoe6828
@jfjoe6828 3 роки тому
The question is not if both USA and China will be allowed to create supremacy but rather it's the other countries that will decide who will win.
@johnvalentino576
@johnvalentino576 3 роки тому
yes, and for that China would need to reach venezuela and cuba - help these nations develop nuclear weapons and create problems for china in its own hemisphere. help argentina develop weapons to take back falklands the five eyes need to be taught a lesson.
@stayprepared2388
@stayprepared2388 3 роки тому
@@user-gf6ej9rz8p - because china do not have any air craft carrier in the past. Now is a different story.
@pfmk8051
@pfmk8051 3 роки тому
John Mearsheimer's argument for why the US are going to win: we always won before, we will win again. I think that is the point at which all great empires collapsed...
@xiangshi460
@xiangshi460 2 роки тому
John Mearsheimer: US will win because US won before Kishore Mahbubani: China will raise peacefully because China was peaceful before Me: GME price will raise because it raised before 🙈
@philipfan
@philipfan 2 роки тому
Actually, after World War II, US never won any wars.
@cringelord7542
@cringelord7542 Рік тому
what about demographics?
@pindiwalla6160
@pindiwalla6160 Рік тому
John is a briiliant student and teacher, but his perspective is clearly skewed; his presumption is that all world powers behave the same way is flawed and incorrect. Take off your American "we are the only superpower" glasses and see 5000 years of Chinese history. China ain't a wannabe America. Kishore has a more balanced perspective..
@Thetwinsxxx
@Thetwinsxxx Рік тому
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@typhooonn
@typhooonn 3 роки тому
John Mearsheimer was simply knocked out by Kishore !
@birdyashiro1226
@birdyashiro1226 7 місяців тому
I don't think so. John explained the U.S. strategies very well. And now the reality confirmed what he said which is the U.S. has more military bases in Asia
@birdyashiro1226
@birdyashiro1226 7 місяців тому
And keep selling more weapons in Asia.
@markarmage3776
@markarmage3776 Місяць тому
@@birdyashiro1226 Yeah, that's like having a 50% mark on a test. He explained how America works very accurately, but he explained how China works falsely.
@philipcormier8388
@philipcormier8388 3 роки тому
Well it was supposed to be my last comment, but in the last 60 years China has worked hard while the West have been running their mouth.
@goochigoochs3836
@goochigoochs3836 3 роки тому
Yup, they did their best to defy WTO laws.
@martinleung5855
@martinleung5855 3 роки тому
@martinsaint, give me the figures idiot! The birth rate was around 1.3-1. 5% in the last decade in China! giving birth overseas accounts for only less than 0.001% in the last decade, part of which are for individual family reasons.....!!
@seewahleong8459
@seewahleong8459 3 роки тому
Yes the normal Chinese not the CCP that works hard. I hope you do know that all the rich people in China are well connected with the CCP. I think you are one of them or are working for the CCP, yes ?
@alexvlaxos6620
@alexvlaxos6620 3 роки тому
Yes they worked hard with western knowledge and now they use that,and by western choice when they practically gave them jobs amd money
@ph1688
@ph1688 3 роки тому
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@barakamwakibete7212
@barakamwakibete7212 3 роки тому
This is deep, "Australia is in Asia not Canada"
@alphabeta4028
@alphabeta4028 3 роки тому
Because it's much easier to protect Canada than Australia in the eye of America, Hence "Australia is in Asia, not Canada". And it's easier doing business with Asian countries than Americans in the eye of Australia. It's a double-edged sword if you're in Australia. Everyone knew what Kishore was talking about, maybe not you.
@HKChineseCanadian
@HKChineseCanadian 3 роки тому
I am Canadian and I wish Canada would move away from America.
@rajnikantchande2677
@rajnikantchande2677 3 роки тому
@@HKChineseCanadian If Canada fulfils your wish to " move away from America ", which country would accept Canada's vast exports diverted from USA ? Currently Canada also exports substantial crude oil via a pipeline from Alberta to an oil terminal on the US gulf coast. The only buyer of this oil would be China, but that would need a new pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver BC. Such a pipeline approval would be impossible on environmental grounds.
@secondopinion-i.p.8881
@secondopinion-i.p.8881 3 роки тому
Australians would not be doing what they are doing if they were not white, they are not serving Australia, they are serving white peopel
@philgwellington6036
@philgwellington6036 3 роки тому
But Chinatown is everywhere ... just joking.
@zh3216
@zh3216 3 роки тому
I may be wrong but 8min in, John & Kishore have already demonstrated the key differences between western and eastern thinking. Kishore put this very succinctly - back when China was the absolute dominating force in the world, it had no motivation to control/colonize other regions the way the western nations did. It is simply not the dominating thought in the Chinese mindset to control others unless it feels threatened and do so out of self defense. John on the other hand, "China would be crazy to not dominate Asia the way U.S. has dominated the western hemisphere..." case in point. Please don't project your bias/inclinations onto the eastern mind.
@clodiamk9873
@clodiamk9873 2 роки тому
John doesn't really understand the Asian mentality, the way of doing things that's so very different from the West.
@aykin9094
@aykin9094 2 роки тому
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@a55tech
@a55tech Рік тому
yup. China had enough trouble keeping it together and the lands w/ best lands were within China (before the use of oil, industrial revolution, etc). Anywhere they might go was either rocks, tundra, jungle, desert, etc. John Mearsheimer needs to respond to this point. Although, the Manchu expansion into Tibet could be considered hegemony, don't think they understood control of water sources back then. However, he does have a point (maybe from another vid, get them mixed up now) that intentions don't matter; a hegemon such as the US needs to be wary of capabilities because you never know what kinda nutjob could come in power some day (as happened in Germany a couple times).
@Thetwinsxxx
@Thetwinsxxx Рік тому
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@kianghy7930
@kianghy7930 Рік тому
Yes, it is surprised to hear that from John, he still have the mindset that China want to conquer or dominate the world like the West. and the example of he mentioned US won over Germany, Nazi, Japan, Soviet Union, all those 4 power is crazy for power. But China isnt going that way, China is totally different kind of competitor that US has never met.
@joey3291
@joey3291 2 роки тому
Mearsheimer's words showed us the US's last, desperate struggle to keep its USA exceptionalism, which translates into wars, killings, and subversions.
@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen
@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen 2 роки тому
If you are implying Mearsheimer is supporting US hegemony, you need to hear his all other lectures especially on Russia and Ukraine. He is a realist through and through. The Indian origin sellout is exactly that, that's why you may be thinking otherwise.
@qys911
@qys911 2 роки тому
@@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen That's because he think Russia is not their major competitor. He want the US and Russia should be on the same side to contain China. He think it is not in the ukrainian's interest to alliances with America to provoke Russia. At the same time, he think it is in Australia's, Japan's, and especially Taiwan's interest to provoke China. He is not objective, because he is on the US side.
@mohanchandra8987
@mohanchandra8987 4 роки тому
There is no point debating Western people or peole aligned to the western world as they will never have an objective view on the non white world.....The Yellow Peril will always be there!! Respect to Mahbubani...trying make the world a peaceful place!!
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
The Yellow Peril was about the spread of Communism, and it is as reasonable now as it ever was.
@dickiesdocos
@dickiesdocos 4 роки тому
@@philipcrouch How is its spread as reasonable now? Because of China's success? Which countries are lining up eager for communism?
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
@@dickiesdocos Not where I live. The actions of the CCP are repugnant to people, and we have sufficient liberty for our economy to work fine.
@smnyhl6241
@smnyhl6241 4 роки тому
@@philipcrouch China actually is socialism with Chinese characteristic (actually is with strong infusion of capitalism). No more communism. Just they never change the party's name as CCP.
@yuanweisun3019
@yuanweisun3019 4 роки тому
@@smnyhl6241 As Chinese, I totally agree with you. Now China is an absolute capitalist country, but most of the western do not know.
@questworldmatrix
@questworldmatrix 4 роки тому
I'm from the Philippines. Trust me, there's nothing to be upset about. We're fine. We're capable of having friendships from both sides.
@olubibabalola
@olubibabalola 3 роки тому
Not if you are forced to choose. It is not so easy a position to be in.
@marionplaza4240
@marionplaza4240 3 роки тому
对。我们可以当朋友中国和美国。This is why im learning Mandarin too。
@user-in5kc9eu8b
@user-in5kc9eu8b 3 роки тому
@@olubibabalola China wouldnt force other countries to choose, but USA will: either with me or with my enemy. ... remember?
@m1nty99
@m1nty99 3 роки тому
In light of recent events would you like to revise your comment?
@WilliamTravisIto
@WilliamTravisIto 3 роки тому
@@m1nty99 The revised comment would be: The U.S. is forcing us to choose sides. It's either we're with them or we're enemies.
@cathayview
@cathayview 3 роки тому
John and Kishore are both realists and great strategic thinkers. Kishore has a clearer view as a 3rd party observer of the US and China competition. US has fallen into the hegemon trap, which resulted in "endless wars". The US can do much better by 1) facilitating technology innovation and excellence, and 2) embarking on a pan-am initiative or hemisphere initiative. Based on immigrant tradition, US can do a lot in the western hemisphere and both North and South Americas.
@NoName-yb1iv
@NoName-yb1iv 2 роки тому
Loved Kishore's dig at Mearsheimer about having to wear Asian glasses; if this was a debate, Kishore clearly won it because he's Asian and has those glasses on whereas the other one is too America-centric to grasp the complexities of what is really going on in Asia!
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
traitor kishore ha..
@mushroompiggy346
@mushroompiggy346 3 роки тому
Basically John says: No one can dominating Asia and no one can dominating euro but only US can. That is the rule.
@zgyeye
@zgyeye 2 роки тому
@@zeapic8500 "oppressed and killed millions"? how do you know that? ridiculous!
@activemember1515
@activemember1515 2 роки тому
@@zeapic8500 USA killed millions just look at iraq and Afghanistan you keyboard warrior
@jerryhe2423
@jerryhe2423 2 роки тому
China is a peaceful country never conltrol any countries they are in for business
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
he don't know what he is saying an ignorant pretender that he is ha.. and you believe him ha..suckers ha...
@SromolKhmer
@SromolKhmer 2 роки тому
Exactly! It's the American way. And many still couldn't see this.
@alamm.n.1723
@alamm.n.1723 4 роки тому
Hey Australian, you are not crippled, walk with your own feet. You don't need British and American to hold you to walk your own destiny.
@ph1688
@ph1688 3 роки тому
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contains / blocks the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@masterrhythm4596
@masterrhythm4596 3 роки тому
@@ph1688 do u feel embarrassed when no one reads ur communist propaganda?
@vinryan3267
@vinryan3267 3 роки тому
@@masterrhythm4596 I read it, ph 1688, I just didn't understand it.
@fisophia1734
@fisophia1734 3 роки тому
@@masterrhythm4596 im read its, look better more then zionist propaganda in your head.
@anEyePhil
@anEyePhil 2 роки тому
Australia is providing visas to Hong Kong Chinese who want to retain their human rights. Xi Jinping and his gang have destroyed the 1997 agreement. The Republic of China is still alive and well in Taiwan. It should be restored as the true Sun Yat-Sen founded Government of all of China.
@fengwang3389
@fengwang3389 2 роки тому
What we Chinese want: 1. Get rich (Everyone on the planet deserves to live a better life.) 2. Keep the money we earned (No one dares rob us again.) I totally agree with Mr. Mearsheimer on the century of humiliation. This is one of the reasons holds us together nowadays.
@sittu24
@sittu24 2 роки тому
Why don't the Chinese government let the other countries live with peace and harmony.. Why you Chinese have border disputes with so many countries.. Why do you claim the entire territory South China Sea.. Why is your government using Dept trap policy on poor Asian and African nations... 🤬🤬
@Jackthecandlestick
@Jackthecandlestick 2 роки тому
@@sittu24 Why do you guys talk like the last 200 years ARE SO LONG? This is literally just the life of the US. China has been here for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, before US was even born guys. It feels like no one cares about the history of China, and just postulates and summarizes their behaviors based on the only 200 years of US history. It feels SO arrogant
@bench8956
@bench8956 2 роки тому
@@Jackthecandlestick 你无法理劝一个顽固分子,中国人已经是世界上最卑微的强者了,游戏规则需要改变,亚洲就是中国的地盘,美洲就是美国的地盘,我们不去抢劫美洲,但是谁也没来亚洲找事
@mace3632
@mace3632 2 роки тому
@@Jackthecandlestick I am an American, while I staunchly oppose Chinese efforts in the South China Sea I do understand it and I do respect the Chinese people.
@a55tech
@a55tech Рік тому
@@mace3632 bro, u simply got played by western brainwashing, what u think US is doing there, while China provides actual historical proof of holdings there
@sansarsah2966
@sansarsah2966 3 роки тому
OMG Kishore Mahbubani . You have earned new fan from me. Though you are indian , Indian news is completely different regarding virus
@nisar_adil
@nisar_adil 3 роки тому
Kishore is not Indian, he was born and raised in Singapore.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
a traitor to his race ha...
@CYTse-mm3yg
@CYTse-mm3yg 4 роки тому
The moderator should not be called a "moderator". He clearly either intentionally or 'Unknowingly' tries to espouse the western "misrepresentation". He tried to call the covid 19 virus the "Wuhan" virus and tried to call Taiwan formosa etc and never mentioned that it was part of the country of China in its history. Both of which was disputed masterfully by Mr Mahbubani. Thank you. Mr Mahbubani, a lot of education still is needed with these "media" sorts.
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
The CIS is a thinktank dedicated to liberty. He is moderating it from the perspective of the values espoused by liberals, in the true sense of the word.
@engchoonkoay8973
@engchoonkoay8973 4 роки тому
Agreed that shows how lowdown bootlicking Australian willing to be dog of the US.
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
@@engchoonkoay8973 What's wrong with dogs? I've always thought they were a noble animal, but then, we don't eat them in Australia. :)
@alanx1522
@alanx1522 4 роки тому
Philip Crouch stop kidding yourself. Use your eyes to see and ears to listen. Liberty, don’t make me laugh. You don’t know the truth if it slaps you on your face.
@alanx1522
@alanx1522 4 роки тому
Philip Crouch if you want to generalised about China. Maybe you don’t eat dogs, you eat kangaroo........ seriously, you guys murdered the true Australians. The Aborigines!
@johnnytsang2047
@johnnytsang2047 3 роки тому
That's the western thinking 😂 you HAVE to dominate the world ! His saying that the Chinese crazy not to ! NO YOU ARE CRAZY THINKING THAT WAY !
@Time4Peace
@Time4Peace 3 роки тому
When you are a thief, you think everyone else is one too, and silly not to steal when given a chance.
@KneelBeforeBlue
@KneelBeforeBlue 3 роки тому
@@Time4Peace aelm tbh, the West is a thief
@Time4Peace
@Time4Peace 3 роки тому
@Conor Here's a brief crash course on history of conquest. But the meatier stuff is longer in the BBC documentary. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mZx7laKrjKOjqKM.html BBC Documentary: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/mZx7laKrjKOjqKM.html
@jinvonastrea1141
@jinvonastrea1141 3 роки тому
@Conor bruh they litterally fked up iraq and yemen by supplying them with weapon, letting them kill each other. Million of kid died, proceed to convicing the world that they're doing it for democracy and so on aka war propaganda. America has a history of invading and looting oil from other country , u can't deny that i didn't happen lmao. Sending bunch of army into other country xD.
@Time4Peace
@Time4Peace 3 роки тому
@Conor When you used the word West, it of course refers to key Western European powers which are Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Germany. That's the bulk of the West, isn't it. And you said the West did not steal? It stole land, people, resources, dignity, humanity, livelihood, all because they have fire power. And then you say it's only a handful of western powers do that? All those countries I mentioned are colonial powers. They are so to extract minerals, oils, agricultural products, labour and land by force directly or indirectly, which is stealing. Learn to see from the eyes of humanity and not from your 'kind' and you can see things better. Yes, Ireland was a victim of colonialism too. The potato famine which killed millions, was a part of that misery.
@carlosaugustodossantos9682
@carlosaugustodossantos9682 3 роки тому
The difference in cultures between the US and China is the following metaphor: The US takes an orange, cuts it in half, and uses both sides to juice it until it is dry discarding afterwards. The Chinese takes an orange and study to try find solutions to grow an orange grove to become a partner. In both situations people are the oranges.
@Andy-P
@Andy-P 3 роки тому
This is one of the best debates I have heard on this subject
@hanfresco
@hanfresco 4 роки тому
Taiwan is officially known as "Formosa"? No Mr. Moderator. Taiwan is officially the "Republic of China".
@jasperc8615
@jasperc8615 3 роки тому
He was born in 20th century, but his brain was taken from a frozen body from 1700s
@skazka3789
@skazka3789 3 роки тому
I cringed when hearing that colonial bullshit
@bjorganmorten
@bjorganmorten 3 роки тому
Officially the r ..., what does officially mean? Is it what UN says, or what most people say? What the business and trade say, production people say.
@hanfresco
@hanfresco 3 роки тому
​@@bjorganmorten​ Officially means Taiwan's own constitution. Its first line reads: The National Assembly of the Republic of China, by virtue of the mandate received from the whole body of citizens, in accordance with the teachings bequeathed by Dr. Sun Yat-sen in founding the Republic of China, and in order to consolidate the authority of the State, safeguard the rights of the people, ensure social tranquility, and promote the welfare of the people, do hereby establish this Constitution, to be promulgated throughout the country for faithful and perpetual observance by all. Imagine if I went to the Kingdom of Norway and declared that Norway is officially known as Vikingland.
@wanton_sushisesame
@wanton_sushisesame 3 роки тому
When the moderator said the "corona virus was made in China" I already thought how obviously more biased can he be. I'm sure it's not due to ignorance!
@elvinccw
@elvinccw 4 роки тому
The obvious question of course it's not Can China Rise Peacefully but rather should be Can Western Accept China Rise Peacefully!!!??? just my 2 cents opinion
@kurikoweiber5926
@kurikoweiber5926 4 роки тому
100% agree
@louiswu6300
@louiswu6300 4 роки тому
Then. You are smarter than most normals.
@ritahalo
@ritahalo 4 роки тому
@@boycottchyna5400how the USA raised? Steal telants and technology from Europe.
@ritahalo
@ritahalo 4 роки тому
Rised
@louiswu6300
@louiswu6300 4 роки тому
@@boycottchyna5400 so. China should rise by colonize west? Just like what you kind did before? Sorry we are civilization. Not barbarian.
@richardchak696
@richardchak696 3 роки тому
The 2 debater Kishore & Mearsheimer exactly depict the Asian outlook & Western outlook of the world. One the Western view points it is the survival of the fittest the stronger one will walloped the weaker one. I am just being candid here the Western always look at winner take all...Asian doesn't look at it this way there is always a path to co-existence which can benefits both....that is being Civilize. That is what former Malaysian PM Mahathir said "We have been China neighbor for thousands of year yet China have never Colonised or Conquered us...but when the Western came via Portuguese, Conquered us withina few yrs" follow by....Dutch, British, French....within a few years there Conquered & Colonised everyone in Asia wow what a revaluation!!!!!
@ricotheman8139
@ricotheman8139 2 роки тому
View this video 1.5 years later, it’s amazing to see how intelligent and far-sighted Mr.Kishore was. He almost accurately predicted everything was going to happen. So entertaining!
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
intelligent that miser kishore.
@MegaSuehan
@MegaSuehan 4 роки тому
I watch this because of Kishore. Without him, it is a waste of my time. I am from south east Asia but we are not afraid of China. Please get this right.
@yuanhaochue2889
@yuanhaochue2889 3 роки тому
You are absolutely spot on, it takes an Asian to understand China though not absolute all such as Japanese...and Vietnamese...
@chandrakumar-ne7ru
@chandrakumar-ne7ru 3 роки тому
Kishore speaks with humility whereas John subscribes himself to a flawed view of the international political scene from the American point of view. Let us not forgot that Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement in Europe especially Ukraine and the US role in the Middle East has always expanded now in the South China Sea. John is more on offensive realism which seeks power and influence to achieve security through domination and hegemony. That is why he favours containment.
@christopherbegley6461
@christopherbegley6461 3 роки тому
@@yuanhaochue2889 Why is it that China has no friends apart from perhaps Pakistan and this in itself speaks volumes. Going around the world threatening economic reprisals for not towing the party line and kowtowing to their world view is hardly conducive to mutual prosperity, Throw in the blatant malign influence of domestic manipulation and you have the 3 legs of terror.
@yuanhaochue2889
@yuanhaochue2889 3 роки тому
@@christopherbegley6461 how do u define friends, in comparison US has many allies partly because trade n military nights to protect them ..do u see that US is screwing up its allies including Canada because of trade, the gas pipe line, Norm Pipeline from Russia to Germany, US were protector of Imperial Shah of Iran as well as The most corrupt fascist, Marcos of Philippines, the most notorious war criminal of Japan that has yet to officially apologies for Comfort Women issue that was given the Chinese Diaoyu Island as a premeditated tactical scheme to contain China... 130 nations has China as the biggest trading partners while Australia has 36% export depending on China that amounting US, Japan and UK total, and next election, Morrison will need to pacify the voters either to go to war with US against China or negotiate trade ! Unless you understand Chinese culture, " a true friend will not do to others, what you do not want others to do unto you!"...the Belt & Road Initiatives, 140 nations have signed up.. geopolitics has no permanent friends, a friend in need is a friend indeed!.. having the benefits of enjoying the best of 2 worlds, Eastern culture n Western education, most of us should have better ideas and manifest the eco systems to make friends base on mutual understanding, mutual respect and most important mutual expectation to forge a shared win win prosperity for world communities..
@yuanhaochue2889
@yuanhaochue2889 3 роки тому
@@christopherbegley6461 in real geopolitics within the context of Western dominated democracy, a uniquely Socialist state has no other choice but using economics while US has 3 unipolar power base. Fiat n Swift financial systems. Military industrial complex and Western dominated propaganda machinery/platform and Australia as its mouth piece, Google. FACEBOOK. UKposts CHANNELS... while China has the flexibility of financial capability/capacity to initiate Asian Infrastructure Development Bank, yet the West classify as Debt Trap, mind you China has no choice but to develop its capacity n capability in infra structure to one level above others in terms of technology and cheaper cost to compete, has to show case its Green energy and Regreening the dessert to demonstrate its equitable share of worldly good, most important of all having up lifted 800 million Chinese from abject poverty, mitigated constructively during the 2008 world financial crisis are benevolent contribution to humanity and world property.. albeit the continuous abuse of sustainability by extravagance in living standard by the West unabated... Think rationally about the Western based ignorance and arrogance!
@johnwayne-zy5cz
@johnwayne-zy5cz 3 роки тому
I really like Kishore's rationale and pragmatic solutions to potential conflicts. No wonder he was a top diplomat in UN security council. Need more peacemakers like him. My salute to you good sir!
@guitarninjarick8179
@guitarninjarick8179 3 роки тому
Meh, kind of sounds like India'sversion of Neville Chamberlain
@rajnikantchande2677
@rajnikantchande2677 3 роки тому
John Wayne I think Kishore has theoretical brilliance in rationalizing & producing solutions to potential conflicts. But, I believe, he is so dazzled by China's exponential rise , that he has overlooked or has not understood CCP'S strategic aims to conquer & dominate the world without firing a shot . As we all know by now, the CCP'S has repeatedly used a devious means to achieve its strategic objective: viz. debt- trap for financial colonisation of weak nations in Africa, Asia, Latin Anerica, etc. What Kishore also seems to ignore is China is regularly using its financial & military firepower to bully etc and dictate terms to weaker nations for trade & infrastructure deals ....these nations, being dependent on China's domination of the global supply chain, often end up surrendering their strategic land or their key infrastructure assets. This is economic & financial colonialism imposed by China by devious backdoor methods. .....If Kishore finds this colonisation of the world by China " without firing a shot" a " rationale " way to avoid US intervention & loss of influence in countries of strategic & security interest to USA, then , certainly , China has avoided a potential conflict with US in the SHORT TERM ONLY. Sooner or later , US will wake up & challenge China aggressively when its long term interests are threatened by China's ( debt trap ) back door colonisation of the world . Hence, Kishore's " pragmatism " to avoid potential conflict between China & US has NO LONG TERM validity. 4.9.20
@johnwayne-zy5cz
@johnwayne-zy5cz 3 роки тому
@@prongs He's Singaporean
@johnwayne-zy5cz
@johnwayne-zy5cz 3 роки тому
@@rajnikantchande2677Historically, the British and Americans did exactly that ? Only difference is that China beating them at their own game without blood shed. No country is perfect and china not an exception as its already the largest economy in terms of PPP so her rise inevitable. Kishore argument was really about seeking balance through power sharing. China is located in Asia and naturally with their economic might will be the dominant country. The issue right now US refused to relinquished its influence citing democractic freedom..conveniently. Bullied countries around the world that dont share their master slave mentality. Look at UK, Canada and Australia fate by following US footsteps and bidding blindly.
@johnwayne-zy5cz
@johnwayne-zy5cz 3 роки тому
@@prongs After stepping down, he served as a Senior Advisor at NUS during a nine-month sabbatical at various universities, including Harvard University's Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation.[3] He is currently a Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Research Institute.[4]
@StrongbyLee
@StrongbyLee 2 роки тому
A problematic issue I see with John's argument in this interview is his stance on Taiwan/West relations vs Ukraine/West relations. When discussing Ukraine, John believes the best way to have avoided the current crisis is for Ukraine to have either remained neutral or went pro-Russia since it's neighbors with Russia. However, when discussing Taiwan, he believes it's best for Taiwan to side with the West, despite China being its neighbor. I wonder why the stance is different. I'm guessing it's because John theorizes that Russia would have been OK if Ukraine was just economically friendly with West and not associated with NATO. This is also assuming Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine on the basis of the civil war in the east. But what of Taiwan? Would China have been OK with Taiwan if it was only pro-West economically and didn't have a military relationship with the US?
@ruoyuli4091
@ruoyuli4091 2 роки тому
first thing that would happen is Taiwan became independent is that they will ask the U.S to setup a military base there with Nuclear missile ready. This would be an existential threat. And the Chinese will not let that happen
@StrongbyLee
@StrongbyLee 2 роки тому
@@ruoyuli4091 if it's an existential threat when Taiwan is independent, what's stopping them from doing it now?
@tonylai6702
@tonylai6702 2 роки тому
@@StrongbyLee US wouldn't let that happen, because it is much more valuable for Taiwan to continue to remain as a conflict or bargaining chip. Do you know Sun Tsz's Art of War about defeating enemy without fighting? Look at how Ukraine served as US's pawn in weakening Russia, without US committing much into the war themselves? Then you might understand why US would prefer Taiwan issue to be a loose end.
@mensrea1251
@mensrea1251 2 роки тому
Mearsheimer is a realist. He sees the world the way it is, not the way we may wish it to be. Staying neutral would have been a viable strategy for Ukraine vis a vis Russia. Finland has done it, same with Sweden. Ukraine was fine staying neutral until 2014. In Taiwan’s case, neutrality is simply not on the table. It’s not a matter of whether Taiwan is aligned with the west or not. Even if it wasn’t, China would want it back. China simply believes Taiwan is theirs. And of course the island holds enormous geostrategic value. Neutrality has never been an option the way it was with the Ukraine.
@StrongbyLee
@StrongbyLee 2 роки тому
@@mensrea1251 I agree. I guess after the dissolution of the USSR, Ukraine claimed soverignty and was given it. Taiwan, on the other hand, was founded by an opposition party who engaged in a civil war, and there was no formal ceasefire, and is still considered a part of China. I wish John would have specified these points because I'm sure it will lead to a lot of confusion in future if the US and China ever fight over Taiwan; it is NOT a sovereign state, so therefore it doesn't have the same right to sovereignty as Ukraine did.
@theodorelaurence1790
@theodorelaurence1790 2 роки тому
If kishore doesn't give australians the chills, I don't know what would. A person like Kishore takes a lot of delight in making the australians quake in their boots.
@Vlog-hu8gb
@Vlog-hu8gb Рік тому
Kishore is a paid CCP troll, I am sure there are similar people in Australia
@j4rey989
@j4rey989 Рік тому
He is blunt, he doesnt sugar coat. Australia has been hyping up "China threat" and the recent behaviours by Australian administration are a great concern to Chinese. 1. Solomon Islands hype up. 2. Nuclear Sub deal with US, which has been rebuked by Keating, is not a defence deal. 3. Various fearmongering Chinese PLA army videos played on media. 4. Lack of diplomatic talks. So his blunt response that Australia needs to rethink their diplomatic strategy is a perfect response to the question posed by the interviewer who asked him why is China doing trade ban with Australia.
@j4rey989
@j4rey989 Рік тому
​@@Vlog-hu8gb I disagree he is a CCP troll. Kishore is a realist and an optimist. Realist because he sees China's growth potential to become an economic super power, he also sees India's growth potential. Mearsheimer says China will try to be a regional hegemony, which I think is not easy, because of the very fact that China is near other great power like Russia which it is heavily dependent, and there's India which also has great potential. Additionally, he sees as I see, that China doesnt want conflict. China has another 30-50% of development to do. Entering into a military conflict will stall the international trade, look at Ukrainian conflict. China wants peace, peace promotes trade, and right now China is the world factory, its also building BRI trade routes to facilitate trade. Optimist, knowing the above two points, he is hoping that China would be able to rise peacefully, but the real question is Would US hegemony die peacefully? Like Mearsheimer says US is hell bent on containing China. Right now US is trying to wreck Russia, which is China's "no limit" partner. US is also arming Taiwan, preparing Aus-China conflict, India-China conflict. I would think China's peaceful rise is not possible, because US wouldnt allow it, but Kishore is an optimist and he believes that Chinese administration is capable of tactfully managing US aggressive foreign policy. Footnote: China brokered a peace deal of a decade long conflict between Saudi and Iran. Reports are Russia is close to brokering Syria-Turkey peace deal. Which would essentially mean stability on Northern Middle East.
@donparky1812
@donparky1812 11 місяців тому
@@Vlog-hu8gb We ASEAN countries still vividly remember imperial Japan's cruelty in WW2 and US bombardment of Vietnam war. Even now there always are casaulties from dud bombs and unclear minefield. American soldiers are not welcome.
@Vlog-hu8gb
@Vlog-hu8gb 11 місяців тому
@@donparky1812 You still remember a few years of war and forgot centuries of oppression by Western Europeans, who besides other atrocities were involved in trafficking and slave trade of your women for hundreds of years
@billyyap9188
@billyyap9188 4 роки тому
My question is.....why US have 200 over biological labs throughout the world and the nations that the labs located is in the dark?
@sunray9941
@sunray9941 4 роки тому
Because the labs are private, and they dont want to be under US control, while in any other country they can do anything they want to. Same with coronavirus 19. Just because some american individuals runs to your country, America as a country not responsible for your government to allow them to be on their territories. Ask your government why these labs are on their territiries.
@seanzhang5554
@seanzhang5554 3 роки тому
@Heather Larson Democratic labs? Humor of the day!
@jennyl4275
@jennyl4275 3 роки тому
I don't see any security concern if Austrlia does not join US containment of China. I do see the economy concern if Austrilia Follow US on the containment.
@danielzhong4224
@danielzhong4224 3 роки тому
It is maybe a right political decision for these politicians, but it is defientlly a bad governmental decision especially after this crazy pandemic, we will see pretty soon.
@matthewmorgan9269
@matthewmorgan9269 3 роки тому
weirdo.
@atmark666
@atmark666 3 роки тому
wumao
@zhangyi5145
@zhangyi5145 3 роки тому
If Australia do not follow uncle Sam. There will be security concern coming from uncle Sam and uncle Sam will screw up its little lap dog.
@matthewmorgan9269
@matthewmorgan9269 3 роки тому
@@zhangyi5145 Australia will willingly follow the USA because it is the moral and ethical thing to do due to the circumstances. Morality and ethics are a very foreign thing to the CCP and its cadres so I wouldn't expect them to understand. The CCP are sub human scum and must be defeated or the world will never forgive our generation.
@sheeteshaswal
@sheeteshaswal 3 роки тому
Awesome discussion. The sheer quality of the conversation was tremendous. Coming from an interview of Kishore where the interviewer was the limiting factor, this was a welcome change. In the end, it is not important who won, but how well you played.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
read my replies above we filipinos were victims of the chinese mongoloid expansionism...
@clodiamk9873
@clodiamk9873 2 роки тому
I have lived in Asia for a long long time, and I agree with Kishore Mahbubani more. The way the Chinese conduct their business is vastly different from the Western way, the American way.
@kijjawiswakoranant2743
@kijjawiswakoranant2743 3 роки тому
The book “Has China won?” was published in January. Now it’s June, so I suggest it should be followed by a second addition named “China has won!”
@xingchen2492
@xingchen2492 3 роки тому
Why 😂
@urbanremodel793
@urbanremodel793 3 роки тому
China won the worst country award?
@DipakBose-bq1vv
@DipakBose-bq1vv 3 роки тому
china lost
@calvyncraven1141
@calvyncraven1141 3 роки тому
@@urbanremodel793 China survived and won media propaganda brainwashing attempt on Asia and Europe.
@twinklelittlestar1226
@twinklelittlestar1226 3 роки тому
Urban Remodel you are right. Are you going to stop buying any Chinese products ?
@hanhgoldman
@hanhgoldman 3 роки тому
As the old saying goes : Don't bite the hand that feeds you !
@Andy-P
@Andy-P 3 роки тому
Then get fed by another hand
@hanhgoldman
@hanhgoldman 3 роки тому
@@Andy-PThe irony is that the other hand has not food to feed you. get it ?
@Andy-P
@Andy-P 3 роки тому
@@hanhgoldman Yes I do. There is the rest of the world but in the short term that won't help Australia. It will cost both China & Australia more. In the short term it will cost Australia more but China could lose its economic leverage over Australia.
@hanhgoldman
@hanhgoldman 3 роки тому
@Dr Evil My evil deed. Leeching , not feeding is the correct word. it is exactly a self indulging glib tongue and twisting mind of you that has brought you to what you are today.
@hanhgoldman
@hanhgoldman 3 роки тому
@Dr Evil my evil friend, continue be who you are. It is not an issue of calling a spade a spade but mistaken a sock as a shoe, . your head as your butt and so for ..
@mguo8190
@mguo8190 3 роки тому
As soon as the host says “communist regime”, everyone knows he shitted on the name “independent studies”.
@ahmedphaisal1658
@ahmedphaisal1658 2 роки тому
Hehe so Australia must be democratical regime
@dimelo3027
@dimelo3027 2 роки тому
Communist followed by regime is part of the English grammar. Especially in Australian English.
@Grizzlyx9
@Grizzlyx9 2 роки тому
But it is communist reginlme , is it not ?
@wyattlines7228
@wyattlines7228 2 роки тому
Why does John think they need to become a regional hegemony? His view of things is so tainted by hawkish American biases. China has played its game the same for 30 years. Use their huge labor base to outsource all if America's productive capacity to them, use that to fuel GDP growth, which they then turn around and use to build infrastructure for their own people, thereby raising a generation of incredibly smart people who bolster their enormous tech and engineering sector. Because of that, they now are not reliant on US capital to pursue projects, allowing them to use surplus' they have to give money to other nations disillusioned with America. Now they have built ports, rail, roads, and all this crucial economic infrastructure while America privatized every social security net they had, resulting in a generation of Americans disenfranchised from their own nation, and because of a lack of investment in public education, the people of America are pretty dumb to be honest. Now the board is set as China has many positive relations with foreign countries, as well as the infrastructure and currency to defeat the USA without firing a shot. They need only get more than half the world to switch to their currency, isolate America financially, and squeeze the west with in fighting as western nations decide whether to stay with American dollars and trade routes, or side with China. America put all of its cards into conventional weapons of war EVEN AFTER THEY INVENTED the device that made conventional war impossible between any nation that has it. The US isn't going to lose. They already have and now we are just waiting here to see if they proverbially flip the table and kill us all if they can't have their manifest destiny.
@wyattlines7228
@wyattlines7228 2 роки тому
@@reviewsfreestyled14 Automation is a really useful thing, especially when I said in that same paragraph that they've been raising a whole damn generation of engineers. Seems like maybe automation was the plan. And the one child policy was only ever for Han Chinese, all other 50 some ethnic demographics I'm China could have more (including Uighurs) Also, the US literally bullies everyone in a much more aggressive way (see their nearly 800 military bases abroad.) There really is no criticism of China you can make, which the US and western allies haven't committed or have committed fat worse.
@TommyBeaux
@TommyBeaux 4 роки тому
Jimmy Carter describes America as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world... China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us in almost every way.” Carter then said the U.S. has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history. China’s peace dividend has allowed and enhanced its economic growth, Carter said. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. China has around 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of high speed rail lines while the US has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. According to a November 2018 study by Brown University’s Watson Institute of International and Public Affairs, the US has spent $5.9 trillion waging war in Iraq, www.telesurtv.net/opinion/Jimmy-Carter-Lectures-Trump-US-Most-Warlike-Nation-in-History-of-the-World-20190418-0020.html
@cheryldeboissiere7824
@cheryldeboissiere7824 3 роки тому
Rafael Acosta you seriously need help. Investing in warfare does not enable financial growth. I thought the US military was bloated when I was serving in Japan. Keeping it at the size it was, was ridiculous and then it expanded. Deep cuts had to be made during the Clinton administration just to save the US economy. Wars by the Bush administration, necessary and unnecessary, placed the USA 🇺🇸 in even greater debt than the ever ridiculous Reagan administration. Where is that force field sci fi worthy technology anyway?
@joanribi8209
@joanribi8209 3 роки тому
Clearly: total ignorance of the rise of Islam out of Arabia throughout the Middle East, Turkey , Asia etc.
@Clusterboy
@Clusterboy 2 роки тому
Soviet Union collapsed for same reason.
@oliverjamito9902
@oliverjamito9902 2 роки тому
Beloved just know there are wolves dressed in sheeps clothing among all the nations beloved. Including here in America. Indeed came from us but not of us beloved. Wolves dressed in sheeps clothing. You may know them by their fruits! Now is able to see! Remember the tree is known by it's fruits beloved. Kings and priests of YESHUA Jesus christ the blameless 1! YESHUA his HOSTS are awakening and becoming WEARY! Commanded to uphold God's True Will and for all FEETS upon all the CHURCHES of all the nations will be YESHUA Jesus's christ our blameless 1. Only 1 who is good, revealed God's true image and attributes to be able to approach God as a child. Beloved remember can't separate 1st. Love God 2nd. Love thy neighbors as thyself! In due time. Enslavement nor TRAILS of tears HOLOCAUST TOTALITARIAN mindset. Who can ABORT precious babies! Will you tell these same minds that your life is worth more than a precious babies beloved? Remember YESHUA Jesus christ HOSTS and own are upholders of God's True Will. 1st. Love God all our minds, hearts, souls, and STRENGHT. 2nd. Love thy neighbors as thyself truly without ceasing but with boldness. Intent, based, foundation, and where your heart will be also beloved! HEIRS. Intent to BECOME new. Noone can uproot nor shaken but here to stay for good. Outpouring of God's spirit upon all flesh and LANGUAGE is given and LANGUAGE is understood indeed. To all who received and hearkened with delight. Became a child in front of God with sincere conversations. Talking and utterance has an Aim belove! I judge not yet ye be judge but do judge the tree by it's fruits! Can be eaten or spit out! Intent to BECOME New indeed. Truth and peace reunite. Haven for our innocents youngs sons and daughters as intended. Kingdom of God and its righteousness. Walking in humility, spirituality, and faith with delight and sincerity. Repentance and becoming a child in front of God. Is like who am I?
@willkydd
@willkydd 2 роки тому
The problem with America is that it is losing its military edge. Having that military edge is/would be *by far* better than any "peace divident". Who would you rather "be": someone who can build roads well and fast or someone who can destroy anyone's roads while protecting its own roads?
@juanuang2924
@juanuang2924 3 роки тому
in this case ,nobody win! But I really want to know how Australia feels when he knows that his American brother exports beef to China and makes a lot of money.
@MsDiscofever
@MsDiscofever 3 роки тому
A lot of Australians have taken note and realize the U.S. has back stabbed us. So we are now little more sceptical of america and no longer trust like we use to. But we still trust china even less. Having that said, our approval of both superpowers has gone down over the years but we are way more distrusting of china than we are with the united states.
@MsDiscofever
@MsDiscofever 3 роки тому
@Black Knight I wasn't asserting that this incident was abnormal nor unexpected when it comes to free trade and the viewpoints weren't in just "my eyes," the general sentiments in respects to China and Australia were recorded statistically, at least to gauge general sentiments. People still view America favourably in relation to China, it's just favourable viewpoints decreased steadily for both countries. And on the point of "everyone kicks and puts down America," first off, people still view China unfavourably in relation to America, so China still is dealing with the brunt of poor reputation; secondly, this is the natural consequence of all superpowers: scepticism and poor reputation as an abuser of power as well as an opportunist are natural occurrences for all hegemonic powers; thirdly, as Australians, we should be noting the fact that our trade was essentially taken from us; are you suggesting that we should remain quiet and just accept. "Oh it's free trade, that's what we should expect." We can't do anything against America but at least we should be realistic about international affairs at least for the sake of making decisions as a democracy to garner choices that would serve us, not for other countries. And a lot of people hate America for good reasons. This didn't just occur out of nowhere...
@juanuang2924
@juanuang2924 3 роки тому
Black Knight I do don’t care about who you trade with,Just to show that Australia should not be so stupid as to follow the instructions of its big brother from the US
@wingkeungkong415
@wingkeungkong415 Рік тому
@@MsDiscofever It is the view of the western world Most countries in Africa Asia Middle East Just do not trust American
@anthonyhon2682
@anthonyhon2682 3 роки тому
Eleven months after your debate, it is getting crystal clear that the predictions made by Professor KM are precisely right. My ThumbsUp
@lowkeyconvert8971
@lowkeyconvert8971 3 роки тому
lol, props to Kishore Mahubani. he already knew the trajectory that this conversation was going to take - a very biased, anti-china stance - and he corrected and addressed switzer's statements politely but swiftly when necesary. it's not even conclusive yet that the virus was "made in china" to use switzer's provocative and slanderous language.
@funzone4468
@funzone4468 4 роки тому
I DONT KNOW IF CHINA WON OR NOT, BUT KISHORE WON EASILY .
@1980raj
@1980raj 3 роки тому
Yeah.. Won lot of money from CCP
@medialcanthus9681
@medialcanthus9681 3 роки тому
@@1980raj YOU think everything is based on money, very shallow minded. OTHER people have intelligence and values, you know.
@1980raj
@1980raj 3 роки тому
@@medialcanthus9681 You mean the CCP which cares only money and kills own people right ?
@medialcanthus9681
@medialcanthus9681 3 роки тому
@@1980raj you know you were referring to Kishore so don't pretend.
@1980raj
@1980raj 3 роки тому
@@medialcanthus9681 Both him and the evil CCP
@johnliang2006
@johnliang2006 4 роки тому
Dr Kishore👍
@jialiang4500
@jialiang4500 3 роки тому
I have to say many Singaporean politicians are so knowledgeable, always addressed facts! I like them, so insightful. John Mearsheimer ......now make me think no matter which school you graduated, as long as you only follow ideology and feelings but not facts, then you will look 50% less smart.
@sandymaulana8358
@sandymaulana8358 10 місяців тому
Fully agree with Kishore on Eastern way of dealing power. Only one conundrum with his theory: how to explain the behavior of Japan during WW II? Surely Japan was not peaceful internally and tried to conquer to Korean peninsula. However, when the potential power they possess very large, they may change their behavior like Japan back then. In this way, the West especially US has very understandable reason to worry issues may come from Pacific side by project that historical experience.
@-tiktoktrend1212
@-tiktoktrend1212 3 роки тому
John: china is becoming more and more powerful, other countries should unite with US to contain it... Question: what's the logic behind it? I mean US is powerful, why no other countries containing it?
@axmed1987
@axmed1987 2 роки тому
Because they are White and just🙄😁😂😂
@murphymurph8282
@murphymurph8282 2 роки тому
What John is doing is terrorizing American allies to enforce them to obey as always. Then he's threatening any potential enemies or rising regional powers. But ruling by fear and intimidation will fail one day when their claws are not as sharp as they was
@StrongbyLee
@StrongbyLee 2 роки тому
@@murphymurph8282 where do you get the sense that he's terrorizing allies? Threatening? I assume you believe in state sovereignty. Are you saying those who ally with us do so under duress? His basic argument for the Ukrainian conflict is that it broke out because the Ukrainians did not act strategically WITH Russia when they have many opportunities to. In a way, the strategy argument makes sense. Who wouldn't want to align themselves with great powers, even if they're located on the other side of the globe? At the same time, how do you resolve the military issue of countries, because I assume that's what you're referring to be "terrorizing".
@mimiwinarto9164
@mimiwinarto9164 2 роки тому
Because he is a racist.
@murphymurph8282
@murphymurph8282 2 роки тому
@@StrongbyLee cool
@jacobl5488
@jacobl5488 3 роки тому
What do we think of when we think of the US government? Highly inefficient, gridlock, corporate interests controlling government. China on the other hand.. states a goal.. and gets it done. No qualms, no bickering. It's just done. Now isn't there something to be learned here?
@kekeshuoshuo
@kekeshuoshuo 3 роки тому
Mai Ly Trump fires government watch dogs any time he wants, he punishes whistle blowers and face no consequences. It seems plenty of American people let him do it.
@familydc7810
@familydc7810 3 роки тому
@Mai Ly China is never about dictatorship.
@naththandigedilanthanishad6463
@naththandigedilanthanishad6463 3 роки тому
Chinese are well set towards the goal ,they are so fast , well planed, accurate on the track.
@mattpagel2328
@mattpagel2328 3 роки тому
Misguided CCP members
@LT-mc8vj
@LT-mc8vj 3 роки тому
Behind the peaceful, white Whitehouse is the ugly face of the wicked greedy oligarchy that is leading the President by his nose.
@angeliquewu8318
@angeliquewu8318 3 роки тому
The only reason why I upvoted was because of Kishore. If the world followed John Mearsheimer's Cold War kind of thinking, we would be doomed to a WWIII and then it will definitely be a lose-lose game all around.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 2 роки тому
Not at all. China has the ability to reform to include more freedom and flexibility in its system, which would be a net benefit to everyone -- especially Chinese citizens. Cooperating with a tyrannical government wouldn't be beneficial to anyone.
@angeliquewu8318
@angeliquewu8318 2 роки тому
@@jimluebke3869 ? Wdym by not at all? But personally, I think that the Chinese system is already quite flexible. In fact, most people are free. Whether or not Western people understand/are able to comprehend this is up to them, I guess, but it doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day, Chinese people are just living their lives happily.
@jimluebke3869
@jimluebke3869 2 роки тому
@@angeliquewu8318 Hong Kong is free? Falun Gong practitioners are free? Christians are free? Does it ever bother you that you lie so much?
@kaimanyu586
@kaimanyu586 Рік тому
@Jim, I can't stand fools like you, who don't know anything about China... But at the same time you fools think you know better than Chinese people what's happening in China.. Are you guys stupid or what? You don't speak Chinese, you never been to China, only time you ever speak to Chinese is in a restaurant... The media and govt of your nation can't even tell you the truth about your own nation, they are constantly lying.. But you believe everything they say about China... That's the definition of being an idiot... Anyway, no one kills more people, destroys more nations than Western democracies, and that's 100% facts. You went around the world stealing resources, killing people and destroying nations and it never stopped till this day... But dumb people like you, who don't know their own history, think they have a right to lecture others.. Just STFU, you Western POS...
@wingkeungkong415
@wingkeungkong415 Рік тому
@@jimluebke3869 Hong Kong enjoy far more Freedom under China You are just opening your big mouth You know nothing about Asia and Asia history
@zhoubaidinh403
@zhoubaidinh403 3 роки тому
The only way a kinetic war can be avoided is if China can maintain a credible nuclear deterrence. The Soviet Union was top heavy, she had the nukes but collapsed economically. Right now China is bottom heavy, she has a superior economic base...she must build a military that is commensurate with her economic power. If China wants to rise peacefully, She must have the military power to Allow her to do so, because the West, America in particular cannot, will not, allow a competing power to rise without the threat of war...China must remove that option by making a kinetic conflict Unacceptable.
@sukuba2
@sukuba2 3 роки тому
My observation is that we Asians are outnumbered in this debate hosted by a very close alliance of US. Professor John is reaching his decision with a very clear American way of marshalling the world in the Western way. Sadly this debate has not been fair to the Asian side without accepting the repetitive advice that Kishor asking the West to look at the situation from the Asian Point of View. Nobody wants a war even if they think a friendly Giant has grown in their neighbourhood. The American has been hostile to show the military might in a foreign region Which IT has Not Understood fully.
@Jackthecandlestick
@Jackthecandlestick 2 роки тому
I agree. John M is just pushing through with such a brief history and very ignorant view
@StrongbyLee
@StrongbyLee 2 роки тому
What's wrong with creating alliances? How do you resolve the issue of military conflict? Why even have strategic alliances if there was no physical conflict? Even if everyone wants love, peace, and prosperity for all, we can't erase history, culture, religion. Do you believe Taiwan wants to side with the US or China? Perhaps they want to be independent, but China around, do you think that's possible? What about Ukraine? John has made it clear that Ukraine SHOULD have sided with Russia. That's clearly not a pro-US side. In fact, he states that the West bears the responsibility for the Ukrainian conflict.
@intothemoat
@intothemoat 2 роки тому
@@StrongbyLee The US will never look at Asian states as equal players, even on their closest Asia ally: Japan. Asia needs unity, we haven't gone to any major war instigated locally. We should maintain that and focus on prosperity and economic growth
@lucyfiniarel2347
@lucyfiniarel2347 10 місяців тому
Agree. I found John M's pov very tiring. He's american, so it is in his interests to 'contain' china. but that's not in ours at all, as asians in this region.
@rodneychew9893
@rodneychew9893 3 роки тому
The moderator is partisan when he proclaimed the virus made in China. Kishore rightly pointed out that it merely was 1st discovered there. If u want more respect, do not use words to spin your veiled attacks based on your obvious inclinations. And make statements that are proven facts instead of oft-repeated accusations.
@DipakBose-bq1vv
@DipakBose-bq1vv 3 роки тому
the virus was manufactured by Shi Ziang Li and was published in the journal NATURE in 2015.
@WarmheartedKyubey
@WarmheartedKyubey 3 роки тому
@@DipakBose-bq1vv the virus was manufactured by Kenneth M. Rhymer and was published in the journal The Lancet in 2009!
@Zerpentsa6598
@Zerpentsa6598 3 роки тому
The man knew the scientific views but chose to quote the false accusation that it leaked out from a Wuhan lab. He is blatantly a China basher.
@godoflight558
@godoflight558 3 роки тому
the moderator literally ran for parliament for the LNP (conservative party) and the CIS is literally a right wing libertarian think tank so to say that this guy is partisan is an understatement
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 3 роки тому
What, the Kung Flu isn't a China virus / China plague?
@richhew9395
@richhew9395 2 роки тому
Listening to this old discussion, it so real that Meisheimer epitomizes the war mongering USA who 1. Cannot bear to lose its imperialist and hegemonic status when he insist that USA will do anything to contain and destruct China based on fear, jealousy, lies and anger 2. How USA is the king and colonial master of Australia when Australia really did forego its prosperity for security (remember how he threatened, humiliated and cowed Australia in his talk in Australia)when Australians were thwarted from exporting to China and foolishly agreed to an Auskus deal where its prosperity is taken away by US and UK for some outdated subs. So much for a lap dog Scumo to boot when USA sells to China what Australia abstained from. Americans had the pleasure of choosing who to run American policies every 4 years which actually are the same regardless of GOP or Demos in charge. They continue to decline and go into poverty, enjoy decaying infrastructures and being ruled by plutocrats. My respect to Kishore..He is the present and future representation of WORLD PEACE as Meisheimer is the Past as a disrespectful warhog and bully.
@Pluto102
@Pluto102 2 роки тому
Meisheimer is realistic
@johnniea4684
@johnniea4684 2 роки тому
You're completely wrong on Mearsheimer. He illustrates, as a realist international relations thinker, what in his view Great Powers have done in the past, continue to do in the present and will do in the future. He considers that all the wars the US has fought, or sponsored in the past 30 years have been bad ideas from a policy standpoint; he does not get into morality, that's not what he's talking about. He's a liberal democrat but believes that the US fighting wars to spread liberal doctrine has been a foolhardy foreign policy strategy, that is ideological, not realist. With all due respect, you cannot be at all familiar with him to consider him to be a "war monger".
@Diderot68
@Diderot68 3 роки тому
Australia had been warned months ago. They did not heed Kishore’s advice.
@MNMian
@MNMian 4 роки тому
How did NATO Alliance worked out in Afghanistan???
@pkwong1940
@pkwong1940 4 роки тому
I think Kishore has been forced to excel himself. Containment, containment , containment. I have never before heard it stated so explicitely by Meirsheimer. So China must accept the USA as funnily "a regional hegemon" in "the world" and not rise to challenge the USA. China must know its place and be like Japan and S Korea subservient to the USA forever? Has Meirsheimer lost his mind?
@alanfriesen9837
@alanfriesen9837 4 роки тому
I don't think that Meirsheimer is saying that American containment of China is the ideal situation. I think he's arguing from a realist's perspective that says whether it's the right thing to do or not, it's what the U.S. is going to try to do.
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
I think the argument would have some merit if the PRC wasn't run by the most thuggish dictatorship that blends the worst of radical Left and Right into its politics: the opposition to religious faith and the international imperialistic ambitions of the Communist Left, and the ethnically rooted ultranationalism under a dictator for life of the Fascist Right. I don't oppose China rising, per se: I oppose the influence of what can only be described as the evil Chinese Communist Party from gaining a greater foothold in international politics.
@richiesd1
@richiesd1 4 роки тому
Alan Friesen, that’s exactly it. Hugh White of Australia says it’s not going to work and that the US will eventually withdraw from Asia. I tend to agree with Hugh because the US will not be able to build a containment coalition. The US tried already with TPP and led its partners down the primrose path for a decade only to withdraw at the last minute. So in Vietnam for example, the conservative pro China camp has gained power over the liberal pro America side.
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
@@richiesd1 Time changes perceptions: the perception in the Obama era was that the USA had gone a bit soft despite its rhetoric. Trump has altered that perspective, although he also did some damage with allies. Essentially, all that Australia needs is time to develop a nuclear deterrent. We have heaps of Uranium, we have good physicists. As long as the US remains firm until we can do so, we could be more self reliant, in defence terms, if it withdraws from the region. That would make it far harder for the CCP to exert military force in our direction, and strengthen our diplomacy.
@richiesd1
@richiesd1 4 роки тому
Philip Crouch, if you read Hugh White, you will see that he’s advocating a go-it-alone way for Australia. That would mean more military spending at great cost. I don’t think nuclear weapons, but a stronger defense for sure. The USA will withdraw so it would be a mistake to do the bidding of America’s geopolitical ambitions. Australia needs to find a way that is neither pro USA or China. That’s actually safer for Australia because Australia is geographically in Asia. Here’s another talk with Mearsheimer and White ukposts.info/have/v-deo/p4KdqGetmaSJyYU.html
@mononoke721
@mononoke721 2 роки тому
To me, Kishore is the idealist and Mearsheimer is the realist, and finding the ground in between is perhaps the only way conflict between the US and China might be avoided. That being said, if history is anything to go by, realism is the more reliable approach to understanding how events might actually unfold compared to idealism's approach to understanding how one would like events to unfold! Peace and harmony is what everyone wants even as world powers increase their military capabilities and presence in the full knowledge of that most frustrating of human paradoxes put a classical Western way: 'Sic vis pacem para bellum' - if you want peace, prepare for war, or put a traditional Asian way: 'Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack' - Sun Tzu.
@johnvimalan
@johnvimalan 2 роки тому
Well said.
@demonridera
@demonridera 3 роки тому
It would be great to have two blocs. Anglo Saxons exclusively interacting among themselves alone and all the rest being a separate club. Both should be happy with the arrangement.
@ivoferreira931
@ivoferreira931 4 роки тому
The underlining question that was not mentioned, Who or what is going to contain the USA.
@delveling
@delveling 3 роки тому
Ivo Ferreira @UCARQi8EXSotPjub7aIrhc9g "This channel doesn't have any content" It seems the 50 cent army hard a work in the comments section in this video, so many profiles with nothing in them at all.
@misterhill5598
@misterhill5598 2 роки тому
Good question. Even American study concluded USA government is the biggest threat to world peace, is a clear and present danger to earth, and will likely cause an extinction level event. Don't ask Australia. It is too oppressed to even dare to ask.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
what ? ha..
@zachlksow9950
@zachlksow9950 3 роки тому
John, can you name one superpower who stayed on top forever?
@user-gf6ej9rz8p
@user-gf6ej9rz8p 3 роки тому
None, but China last longest as No.1, China is just going back to No.1. Uncle Sam, please get out of the way and we need a fair competition.
@Amidat
@Amidat 3 роки тому
US history is short - so he doesn't understand that
@Andy-P
@Andy-P 3 роки тому
@@user-gf6ej9rz8p Please get out the way. I think you have a good point. America won't so China will have to fight to become No1 else remain No 2. Whats wrong with being No2?
@nathan-ck3je
@nathan-ck3je 3 роки тому
I agree. But I don't think china will get it. Not without a war. You have to remember China GDP is 12.5 trillion annually. And have 1.4 billion people. The US have 19 trillion GDP and only 330 million people. The US is not only 6 trillion annually richer than China. But also have a larger GDP per capita. Meaning they can out match China if it awakens
@zuzanazuscinova5209
@zuzanazuscinova5209 3 роки тому
@@Andy-P 8
@qilu2004
@qilu2004 3 роки тому
US has never taken off the cold war glasses.
@JonROlsen
@JonROlsen 3 роки тому
Mearsheimer: "We could afford to behave in reckless ways." Wars of Aggression, massacre and mayhem? I wonder if all the families of the murdered will get Justice.
@MrMSalexanderMK
@MrMSalexanderMK 4 роки тому
The anglos are inclined to choose war where no one wins and danger to existence oh life on earth
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
At least the Anglosphere defends the liberty of the world: something that folk whose ancestors were oppressed by communist dictatorships in Central Europe should be very thankful for!
@MrMSalexanderMK
@MrMSalexanderMK 4 роки тому
It's weird you think the angles liberated eastern Europe you must be watching the BBC the Anglos propaganda instead of reading history to which they are historically colonists over the world
@philipcrouch
@philipcrouch 4 роки тому
@@MrMSalexanderMK The pressure of the USA on the Soviet Empire brought it down. They certainly embody the Anglo-Saxon valuing of the individual person and his liberty. And to be frank: I'd prefer to be part of a people that took good, civilised values around the world, and created places like Australia for ourselves and others to enjoy, than the peoples caught up in the intrigues of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire, then between the pro-liberty West and the Russian core of the Soviet Empire. Colonialism has never been a swearword in my vocabulary. :)
@noninsignia
@noninsignia 4 роки тому
@@philipcrouch Good civilised values like murdering indigenous people and taking their land. Such an exceptional example for everyone to follow.
@noninsignia
@noninsignia 4 роки тому
Yeah, my worry is the Anglosphere will flip the table and kill everyone once their loss of power is undeniable and it's apparent restoration to hegemony is impossible. They are quick to violence when things go their way (just look at why the British initiated the Opium Wars). The only problem is this time, the only dependable and irresistable part of their military is the nuclear arsenal, in which case a lot of humanity will die.
@bonkujo
@bonkujo 3 роки тому
It's like the man who cheated on his wife is always in fear of being cheated on. lol
@coroner2141
@coroner2141 3 роки тому
Thy name "Projection".
@lowkeyconvert8971
@lowkeyconvert8971 3 роки тому
yep. they're projecting cos they've done so much colonising, exploiting, pillaging and dominating in the past 100 years. china on the other hand, has done virtually none of that.
@PhiloSurfer
@PhiloSurfer 3 роки тому
@@coroner2141 A.k.a. Trump
@arunsar7893
@arunsar7893 3 роки тому
@@lowkeyconvert8971 If we are talking about the last 100 years, China didn't really have the capability to do much of colonising, exploiting, pillaging etc.
@lowkeyconvert8971
@lowkeyconvert8971 3 роки тому
@@arunsar7893 you are one of the last people who should be defending the west since the indian subcontinent was one of the worst of the exploited.
@nanoshka7484
@nanoshka7484 3 роки тому
Great respect to both researchers, but how can John still seeing the US is in a better economical position and will continue to be one??? This statement is purely emotional not data backed..
@rdf098311
@rdf098311 2 роки тому
USA still has largest economy
@tigerjhouston7880
@tigerjhouston7880 3 роки тому
Time changed and Australia and others have to recognize it
@grumpyrabbit1934
@grumpyrabbit1934 3 роки тому
In China, many people think of Australia as a no brainer that when he was been sold out by someone else, he is the one who is helping that person who sold him to Counting money.
@vinryan3267
@vinryan3267 3 роки тому
Quite a lot of young, bright Chinese students chose to study in Australia, before the Wuhan virus, they all received excellent education. You clearly weren't one of them. What on earth are you trying to say ?
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
you can't even post intelligibly ha...
@grumpyrabbit1934
@grumpyrabbit1934 2 роки тому
@@baldogtondo7017 我的母语又不是英文,讲得有差池有什么好嘲讽的👎
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
@@grumpyrabbit1934 namo rin ha..
@TheReflexlive
@TheReflexlive 3 роки тому
Mr Kishore run the America...the world would instantly become beautiful and peaceful! Proud of u and respect to you Mr Kishore.
@rmazim500
@rmazim500 3 роки тому
A M E N
@44jwong
@44jwong 3 роки тому
No chance in hell. Their democratic is corrupt. To win election, you need money from vested interest, gun lobbyist, pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc. By the time he gets to office, too many documents waiting for him to sign that take away the primary reason why he is in the office in the first place.
@rajpatil3309
@rajpatil3309 3 роки тому
@@rmazim500 is
@prof.dr.4224
@prof.dr.4224 3 роки тому
Then the whole world will be colonized by the Han Chinese.
@prof.dr.4224
@prof.dr.4224 3 роки тому
@Marc Jackson Did the British stay in England to keep up the productivity? Also, there are people like Kishore and Biden.
@victorlim1561
@victorlim1561 3 роки тому
It’s a clear win for Kishore by his pronunciation of “Taiwan”.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
pronunciation or denunciation ?
@petertiang71
@petertiang71 3 роки тому
Issue with Australia started way before this. Australia banned Huawei from their 5G infrastructure without providing any proof. When you poke your largest customer in the eye, you still expect them to come back and do business with you ?
@Chadmeleon
@Chadmeleon 4 роки тому
Kishore is the best!! Much wiser than that old white guy!
@sheenesteves2167
@sheenesteves2167 4 роки тому
racist
@Sketcher86
@Sketcher86 4 роки тому
@@sheenesteves2167 You Americans are racist too...why did you vote for Trump.
@Sketcher86
@Sketcher86 4 роки тому
@Katana Sharp You are such an idiot to say trump has made more answers...you are talkimg about a man who doesn't belive in climate chage. I don't have to say anything.
@michaelwan6640
@michaelwan6640 4 роки тому
I agree. But try not to be abusive by labelling people old or white. He is a decent guy.
@michaelwan6640
@michaelwan6640 4 роки тому
Love this program. Really objective, not so extreme. Good discussion.
@victoews6842
@victoews6842 4 роки тому
Tom if you want to start a sound policy: Start it equally by asking about the "Communist Regime " and refer to USA as "" The America run by the military industrial complex " . Tom that would be a good start.
@youngz13o
@youngz13o 4 роки тому
Largest threat to world peace is the US regime
@adazed829
@adazed829 4 роки тому
Vic toews amen amen. Call it by what it really is.
@arminius6506
@arminius6506 4 роки тому
@grimm reaper when it comes to US interest, he speaks sense 😉
@nizicike759
@nizicike759 4 роки тому
good and equal point
@jmvs5294
@jmvs5294 4 роки тому
Tien Men Square is a good start
@st0rwing
@st0rwing 2 роки тому
This is like watching Taichi Master sparing with an American boxer
@dcfc555
@dcfc555 2 роки тому
I respect both of the speakers with valid points on both sides. If you follow Mearsheimer's earlier works he talks about why leaders lie and one reason is to build a case for war. I wonder how much is fear mongering and threat inflation against China and how this can become a self fulfilling prophecy. Mearsheimer also proposed a solution with Ukraine whereby it remains a buffer between Russia and Europe and abandons any ideas of joining NATO (which would have brought NATO right up to Russia's doorstep). The idea being Putin would feel less threatened by Nato expansion and it could de-escalate both sides, Could the same be said of Taiwan? The more Taiwan talks of independence the more threatened China will feel and the tensions rise. Is it better to maintain status quo and pull back on the independence rhetoric to de-escalate? It's not fair or ideal for the Taiwanese who want independence but realistically it might be better for peace in the region and avoiding a war.
@chiakeesame972
@chiakeesame972 3 роки тому
Kishore Mahbubani Sir, I have great respect for you listening to you speak. I agree 100% with your thinking. Wish there are more people of your stature.🙏🙏🙏
@jamesmay1375
@jamesmay1375 3 роки тому
You mean sucking up to China after being bought sure. The only people liking this are China mainlander's and traitors who has Chinese ancestors staying in foreign countries.
@acharya8959
@acharya8959 2 роки тому
@@jamesmay1375 you re emphasised the fact that the west can't digest the fact Asia is taking over the majority of the geopolitical sphere.
@jamesmay1375
@jamesmay1375 2 роки тому
@@acharya8959 Well I'm Asian but not Chinese so you have to be specific which country or part of Asia. Cause most South East Asians and South Asia hate China period .
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
that ishore miser ha..
@toriokras1582
@toriokras1582 2 роки тому
He is just broadcasting Chinese propaganda
@hankebactinh6308
@hankebactinh6308 4 роки тому
Kishore Mahbubani, first time i am listening to Kishore , i give you 10/10 . best speaker . i was worrying you got attacked by John , but you didnt let me down , very smart answer .
@toby-xo6rb
@toby-xo6rb 3 роки тому
@Marc Jackson So what are your beliefs mate?
@kensim8378
@kensim8378 3 роки тому
thenew aust pm scott is an idiot anbecoming another stooge of trump justlike abe of japan
@hankebactinh6308
@hankebactinh6308 3 роки тому
@Marc Jackson this is how Trump behave and same as the rest of people who follow him
@fw3954
@fw3954 3 роки тому
Absolutely, he is the best and smartest diplomat worldwide.
@akadannuakkadannu6112
@akadannuakkadannu6112 3 роки тому
@@kensim8378 yes CCP virus, you may be right.
@modekiller
@modekiller 2 роки тому
Kishore is like a caring father and John is like a naughty child keep saying only I can win.
@user-ug6ct5cv1h
@user-ug6ct5cv1h 6 місяців тому
It's great to be back with you.😊🎉
@mountkailash6127
@mountkailash6127 4 роки тому
Why Australia keeps provoking China? If we look back at all the recent issues between Australia anfmd China, it's always Australia that start picking a fight.
@kenm3ng121
@kenm3ng121 3 роки тому
Australia is America‘s bitch.
@youfanfoo7580
@youfanfoo7580 3 роки тому
Internet freedom:Some people of Australia provoked by social media. Multi-party system : US can support Australia's Pro-US party against China Freedom of the press : Australian media are supported by American capital, and of course they are controlled by American capital. At the same time, think about the U.S. military base in Australia. The United States tells Australians that China is a villain through newspapers, television and social media. People are the foundation of politics. As a result: Politically, Australia is a puppy of the United States. The United States asked Australia to do sth, Australia has little ability to oppose it , even if it is not in Australia's interest.
@zhengzhichen1316
@zhengzhichen1316 3 роки тому
Didn’t Napoleon allegedly compare China to a sleeping giant/lion that shouldn’t be woken? Now that it’s awake. At least don’t poke it.
@lawrencengu9505
@lawrencengu9505 4 роки тому
it is not correct by saying that Southeast Asian leaders are fearful of China raising power. I have noted a number of Asian leaders have welcome China's investment and its cooperation. Just ask the president of the Philippine. Kishore is sensible, logical, who spoke frankly and the truth, and on the other hand, John is on the defense who is refusing to accept sensible reasoning, he needs to communicate with the people in SE Asia region with an open mind or maybe he just cannot bear to lose his White European superior status (Been a white American he would have experienced the "the white european superior status"). I am not been rude as I can understand the mentality when I mention "the white european superior status" as this superiority thinking was forged during colonialism and slavery period it is regretfully to say that this thinking and colonialism still largely exist.
@donhansen1175
@donhansen1175 4 роки тому
Baloney.
@cosmopessoa1556
@cosmopessoa1556 4 роки тому
John cant, his mindset is that of a usurper, he and his elk will always be uneasy as the asians presence becomes dominant in their one home region Kishore is from the colonised class he understands Johns fears.
@banamalipanigrahi9972
@banamalipanigrahi9972 5 місяців тому
After 3yrs, I am watching this. This is masterpiece. Kishore should join a forecasting team…see how US is tangled with Ukraine and Israel. China has far better vision compared to other countries.
@gdccpmo
@gdccpmo 2 роки тому
John does not seem to really understand China, and that is going to be a big problem for him to guide the US policies. Reading up on Martin Jacque's When China Rules The World will help you, John. Still respect your works though!
@seeseay7993
@seeseay7993 3 роки тому
Kishore really knows China and knows how the westerners should work out through this turbulent time.
@michaelynharris4282
@michaelynharris4282 3 роки тому
Yes, we need to bow down and do not provoke the Dragon. US is inherently evil and we must humble ourselves and give over our wealth, our way of life and our freedom. F that.
@jennylee685
@jennylee685 3 роки тому
Michaelyn Harris you are so insecure that this is your mentality. China did not ask the US to bow down or give the Chinese all their money. Did China put a gun to the US to give them all their money? US is the one who’s trying to put a choke hold on China.
@michaelynharris4282
@michaelynharris4282 3 роки тому
@@jennylee685 yes I am insecure in knowing that the US China relationship is deep and interdependent much like a marriage
@martinleung5855
@martinleung5855 3 роки тому
@@michaelynharris4282 ,marriage between China and US ? ! One with civilization of more than 3 thousand years and the other with only about 250 years of history in which 80% were engaged in warfare, starting from CONQUERING of the WEST internally to COLONIZING globally by setting up military bases all over the world!? And then finger pointing to China for so called 'occupation' of Xingiang and Tibet, both of them had established long relationships with China since the HAN dynasty almost 2000 years ago...!!??
@seewahleong8459
@seewahleong8459 3 роки тому
Jenny Lee , it’s the USA and the Western country that help China to become developed and rich for the ordinary people. But this good deeds only benefit the CCP. Like I always said, its not the normal Chinese that are evil, it’s the CCP. I guess you are offended by my thinking because you might be one of those people that have connections with the CCP?
@zatoichiable
@zatoichiable 3 роки тому
empires rise and falls including US empires...
@egosatwork3255
@egosatwork3255 3 роки тому
CCP 🇨🇳 to follow its rise,, than fall,,,,, 🤔 🤔 🤔
@zatoichiable
@zatoichiable 3 роки тому
@@egosatwork3255 not after thousand years like before.
@egosatwork3255
@egosatwork3255 3 роки тому
@@zatoichiable,,, i won't be around, lnner peace,, good fair well to you
@zatoichiable
@zatoichiable 3 роки тому
@@egosatwork3255 God bless ...
@zatoichiable
@zatoichiable 3 роки тому
@Dr Evil democracy is only used to overthrow regime that is not supporting US policy... wehere is democracy in Saudi Arabia?
@kmsdhaka
@kmsdhaka 3 роки тому
There is a big fundamental difference between China and the US. China has a one-party system, People can´t change the party. But the party can change the policy including foreign policy. The US has a multi-party system and people can change the party, but they can´t change the govt policy, particularly foreign policy. Aggressive Foreign policy is almost unchanged almost all of the time. Which is very strange.
@VemiX1000
@VemiX1000 2 роки тому
I get both sides here. What I would do if I were living in that part of Asia and were told that one of my neighbors is a growing threat is to pay attention on what is going on in my country and area. Are there any changes made that would suggest my way of life is changing for the worst and if so, can I determine the cause of it and can I see anything that wold prove foreign involvement? What is the general atmosphere in my area and country? Can I feel tension or anything negative in my community and if so can I determine the source and is there anything leading me to an external source? Looking at the broader geography, can I see any activity that would allow or in any way enable an outside actor to use violence against me effectively? Finally, I would try to look at what is happening in my broader region be it diplomatic, economic, militaristic or otherwise that could lead to future developments that would disadvantage or endanger my ability to protect or improve my way of life?
@youngz13o
@youngz13o 4 роки тому
John reminds me of John Bolton without the mustache
@olubibabalola
@olubibabalola 3 роки тому
He is not Bolton by any stretch, and is insightful on many issues. Unfortunately, I'm not sure this is one of them.
@user-ej3jy6eg6h
@user-ej3jy6eg6h 3 роки тому
Yeah check the record mate
@philipcormier8388
@philipcormier8388 3 роки тому
This man is talking about the viewpoint of a colonist and imperialist.
@TPerm-hj4sf
@TPerm-hj4sf 3 роки тому
Colonists and Imperialists did not have to deal with nuclear weapons, so I really don’t understand why that guy was cheering for war.
@teky
@teky 3 роки тому
So close, no matter how far Couldn't be much more from the heart Forever trusting who we are And nothing else matters Never opened myself this way Life is ours, we live it our way All these words, I don't just say And nothing else matters Trust I seek and I find in you Every day for us something new Open mind for a different view mister mind of the wonderful :]
@xiangli2452
@xiangli2452 2 роки тому
The key here is the interpretation of 'domination' - I agree with John that China will have its Monroe doctrine regarding SE Asia, or becoming the dominate power in Asia. But does it bring a war in the region? I highly doubt that - if the US can act reasonably in China's view. If US deviates too much from rationality, a war is surely possible. However, I do think this is a very unlikely.
@landahans1568
@landahans1568 2 роки тому
Many want to, but nobody can. Very simple
@deepzzzzz8
@deepzzzzz8 4 роки тому
Kishore Mahbubani says he's speaking as a friend to Australian. He did with his wise and candid words. I only hope more ozzies will listen to him.
@wahyuindrasto8307
@wahyuindrasto8307 4 роки тому
*I doubt it. Most Australians don't like the information being conveyed by Kishore because it doesn't match with their very narrow world-view. Sad, actually, as what Kishore said makes a whole lot of sense.*
@deepzzzzz8
@deepzzzzz8 4 роки тому
@@wahyuindrasto8307 So true! And so sad.
@wespolley9397
@wespolley9397 4 роки тому
@@wahyuindrasto8307 Correction: they are both as with this site Pentecostal Church owned.
@ddng.private
@ddng.private 3 роки тому
Kishore share a same sense with me about the anti China agenda in Australia. My godness Sky News Australia insists on anti China narrative meanwhile Sky News UK practice journalism neutrally and progressively
@vinryan3267
@vinryan3267 3 роки тому
You are aware that China commenced a trade and cyber war with Australia a bit before your post. Around 70 % of Australians regard China as a threat ? Why ? You can work it out
@bluenoz
@bluenoz 2 роки тому
I think John's work are great and he able to predict a lot of the issues for great power politics, the only thing that cripple him is that he seems to unable to understand culture is also a important factor to decide the action of a great power, according to the realism all great power would want to expand and take as most space of influence as possible, but how they implement that would be largely different base on their culture, and not every culture do that by using military force and wage war against others
@henryng9406
@henryng9406 9 місяців тому
An international inquiry should look into the extermination & genocide of indigenous people of Australia. 😢😢😢
@terencekwong3033
@terencekwong3033 4 роки тому
This is clearly political and Australia has picked their horse in the US when no one has really asked them. Kishore is correct reminding them they're geographically in Asia and picking the other side is not wise long term.
@cam35mm
@cam35mm 4 роки тому
No balls to stand on their own. But hey they have a racist history and so does the US. birds of a feather flocks together.
@noninsignia
@noninsignia 4 роки тому
@@cam35mm That is the brutal truth. A lot of virtue signalling commentators here will comment they prefer the US because of superior morality or common values (easily invalidated by observed past behaviour). They are too cowardly to admit it's about race and power, and they don't like the idea of jaundiced Asian shorties surpassing the mayo ubermensch, to the point they will incite devastating armed conflict.
@terencekwong3033
@terencekwong3033 4 роки тому
@@noninsignia I live in Vancouver and I understand the resentment. Vancouver real estate is similar to Australia's, a lot finger pointing at China over the inflated prices. But the truth it's the Gov't fault, we took the tax revenue. I have realtor friends that say on the extreme, some mainlander are buying 50+ properties. Lineups for presales that buy one for every member of the family is definitely a thing here. If I had to guess it's the same in Australia.
@noninsignia
@noninsignia 4 роки тому
@@terencekwong3033 Can confirm it's similar here. And there's no finger pointing at other nationality's larger ownership of Australian assets (primarily because they are of the correct ethnicity), or the culture that promotes property as investment. Quite frankly there is no oversight of the property market, because governement wouldn't want upset the rentier class (which I'd wager are, by far, not exclusively Chinese)
@victorbreazzeal7715
@victorbreazzeal7715 4 роки тому
YES CLEARLY! THE CCP DEATH GRIP IS BETTER THAN SELFMASTORY! COMMUNIST CONTROL>> WHERE YOU ARE PADDLE LOCKED IN YOUR HOME BY THE POLICE IF YOU WERE OBSERVED IN CONTACT WITH A COVID POSITIVE. SO IN STEAD OF GETTING THE TREATMENT NEEDED IN ISOLATION,YOU REMAIN LOCKED IN WITH YOUR WHOLE FAMILY! FAMILIES IN WUHAN WERE INFECTED AND DIED AT HOME BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET OUT TO GET MEDICAL HELP. THE CCP IS EVIL LIKE THE VERY VIRUS THEY SPREAD! WE WILL FIND A VACCINE THAT WORKS ON COVID AS WELL AS A VACCINE TO WIPE OUT THE CCP!
@jdc3636
@jdc3636 4 роки тому
54:06 John: “America is an incredibly rich country“. How arrogant you have to be saying that with audacity, my goodness, how many trillions in debt? Without the ability to print money and letting the world to shoulder the mighty $, it would be bankrupted many times over.
@Lotus.F
@Lotus.F 4 роки тому
I agree with you, the US almost bankrupted if it wasn't for China helping the US during the 2008 financial crisis. The American's never mention any about that.
@wespolley9397
@wespolley9397 4 роки тому
:@@Lotus.F You are correct, mind you this site is owned or the property of the Pentecostal Church & they only view their followers.
@martinjames1548
@martinjames1548 4 роки тому
There is no limit to printing money and passing on inflation to other developing countries, as the us has done before.
@willjames1712
@willjames1712 4 роки тому
It's not as simple as that I'm afraid. The extent of US debt is a reflection of its enormous power, economically, politically, militarily and technologically. You know creditors have a choice over who they wish to lend to.
@jdc3636
@jdc3636 4 роки тому
Will James obviously, but do you think the productivity of US workers resulted in the high standard of living? There is no way that is the case. We enjoy the high standard of living is based on the dollar being a reserve currency everyone on the earth have to use for trade, that enables us to print money as we wish without worrying the consequences. When we import from China and enjoy that half trillion deficits we simply print the paper money and get the goods.
@MyLife-og2kr
@MyLife-og2kr 2 роки тому
I like these 2 guys. I've been watching them for a while now. They have legitimate answers. They don't play one side.
@spiritofgoldfish
@spiritofgoldfish 2 роки тому
The classical role of government is to tax away economic rents and use it to lower the cost of production. This is done through subsidies for such things as public infrastructure, education, and health care, not raising the cost of living and therefore the cost of labor, as with monopolistic privatization. The problem with economics as it is understood in America, is that there is no distinction between wealth production and wealth extraction. Production of goods and services speaks for itself, but monopolies and the banks (FIRE, finance, insurance, and real estate) extract what is called economic rent. The free market Adam Smith talked about is free FROM economic rent, not free FOR economic rent. This is Chinese Economic Policy as opposed to American Financial Capitalism favoring the rentier class, and it is what the conflict is really all about. American democracy is entirely theatrical with the majority having no more effect on the rentier oligarchy than the Chinese majority on the Communist Party of China. If the US was a democracy, we would have a decent minimum wage, public health care, free education, parental leave, and gun control, to name a few, all by popular demand.
@MrSagowoon
@MrSagowoon 3 роки тому
It's just sheer arrogance if not racist for a westerner who lives thousands of miles away to think he understands Asia better than an Asian who lives in the region
@davidknecht
@davidknecht 3 роки тому
Arrogant? Yes. Racist? No.
@sharadapai7501
@sharadapai7501 3 роки тому
arrogance and racism are the attributes of the middle kingdom.
@ph1688
@ph1688 3 роки тому
** You're absolutely correct. Addition, the Western, especially the U.S. & Australia as minion are trying to contain / block the raise of China ( naturally ) by and always accustomed to using disgraceful politics and smearing methods to play with almost anything, anyone, anywhere in order to achieve their goals _ regardless of facts, conscience, nature, science, etc. and ultimately. . Just how naive, shameless, farce and nonsense. In short, when a man and girl fall in love with each other, he or she is obsessed by saying most beautiful words with each other .... then gets married. For some reason or a deliberated to force a divorce. Next, one of the conspiracies will make or fabricate the most dirty, nasty or even the most inhuman and immoral things to accuse the other party (maybe a poor victim)! On the other hands, people of the Far East (Chinese) have traditional self-cultivation, received family education at childhood and shame, they have rarely done such a thing to corrupt ( his or her ) themselves reputation, typically their family and clan reputation.**
@Amidat
@Amidat 3 роки тому
what do you expect...? been that way a loooooonnnngggg time
@ph1688
@ph1688 3 роки тому
@@Amidat **Since this is the 21st century, everything is globalized and must go forward. Regardless of race, sex, age, religion, stance, rich or poor, small or large country _ peoples need to be friendly, cooperate better to live peacefully and self-refrain any conflicts. Time is not a matter. If there are no enemies, you are deliberately building them, then you will be your own enemy!**.............................
@zephyermin7035
@zephyermin7035 3 роки тому
Clearly, Prof. Mearsheimer doesn't understand China and the Chinese, moreover the history of Aisa, but he does understand the US mentality. Prof. Mahbubani is trying to give the solution that we can avoid tragedy, but they just don't believe that we could have a solution.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
they knew nothing of the geo political aspects of south east asia idiots panelist.
@KenHuyn
@KenHuyn 2 роки тому
Mearsheimer is too influenced by the Nixon/Kissinger era of foreign policy. Not everyone country operates in the same incentive system as the westerners. What happens when the counterparty doesnt care about « dominance »? There is no need for containment in that world. Mearsheimer is a bitter old man in a wrong era.
@hairtrigger8317
@hairtrigger8317 2 роки тому
Prof. Mearsheimer gets the US part right in their approach but he then applies that to everyone else which is a mistake but at the same time history has shown what most great powers do. I don't think the US will allow China to rise peacefully, it will do what's it already doing by trying to support color revolutions, student led protests etc... that are funded by ngo's like the NED, The National Endowment for Democracy which funds these groups, look at what happened in Myanmar, Hong Kong, Thailand what goes on in any country that's part of the belt and road initiative should be watched closely because the US doesn't want it happening. The Pakistani President just recently said the US tried to pay off Pakistani politicians to try an oust him, remember he wouldn't condemn Russia or sanction them and instead made a gas deal. He says he's got evidence so we'll see.
@darmanto1963
@darmanto1963 Рік тому
west people always like that 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@tanl7756
@tanl7756 2 роки тому
China-Thailand relations officially started in November 1975 after years of negotiations. ... China remains as an important ally to Thailand, partly because of its influence and prominence in the region. Thailand participates fully in international and regional organizations. It has developed close ties with other ASEAN members-Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Brunei, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Vietnam-whose foreign and economic ministers hold annual meetings. Blinkin's cut off trip was blamed on covid, but the word is that these countries, ASEAN want nothing to do with the US problems with China. China is their friend. Harris in Vietnam was a disaster and head of Vietnam called in some representative of China right after she left. He also had to tell the press to leave when Harris started to trash China. I mean, in VIETNAM? US dropped Agent Orange on them. China never did anything like that.
@baldogtondo7017
@baldogtondo7017 2 роки тому
mahhir muhammad has rescinded malaysia's contract with china finding it onerous and detrimental to his country and people.
@ys29229
@ys29229 3 роки тому
Kishore represents Asian's subtle way of solving complex issues John M represents white's punitive way of solving simple problems
@RPSartre01
@RPSartre01 2 роки тому
LOL, name one complex issue Asia has resolved or solved? you mean like ASEAN solving Myanmar now, South Sea China, Taiwan, HK, North Korea, etc.? LMAO. Ignore the China bots here, Asia is going the way of Western Europe in the run up of WW1 and 2.
@joydevsarkar4474
@joydevsarkar4474 2 роки тому
@@RPSartre01 nope
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