@قلبٌ بريءٌ Why we can't find any Arabic letters in petra. do you know when these letters were invented!? when was arab writing invented?

There is a phenomena called CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Continental drift is the theory that the Earth's continents have moved over geologic time relative to each other, thus appearing to have "drifted" across the ocean bed.

@قلبٌ بريءٌ lol, why do you think that? Did Romans know youtube?

@@brominder CONTINENTAL DRIFT Geological times are counted in million year periods, they can not explain why the pyramids are perfectly aligned while early mosques are not

@قلبٌ بريءٌ I know when you answer my question that's why I asked

Omar is the one who changed the direction of the Muslims prayer

I gave you a Quranic verse with the source and you say "Omar"!!? So, if you want to play dumb, find another place to do so. It's narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet PBUH said: “Whoever believes in God and the Last Day, let him speak good or remain silent” (Authentic in Bukhari and Muslim).

:)

@@windbauram7659 true, best answers

God is great he replied to this fool before he was born 1400 years ago am just amazed by his infinite wisdom

Please elaborate

@@demitrijones6922 the eyes see how right the Muslims and Islam is, But the hearts don’t give in…

It usually starts from the eyes and then descends to the heart. It is not possible for the heart to be blind if the eyes can see.

And to think....all muslims bow in the WRONG direction... 😭😭😭

This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas. This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pGheZIl4mWqD0pc.htmlsi=U9X12OllMd5WTzQC Best confirmation

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pGheZIl4mWqD0pc.htmlsi=U9X12OllMd5WTzQC Yes, this is the proof

The belief system will not tolerate objective analysis.

Lol

Fatwas will get issued and examiner would be cooked for blasphemy

@@themsmloveswar3985Why are people like you so ignorant and liars and deceivers. It’s open for anyone to explore Leeann the history of Islam and even put it under the microscope. People like you are the problem in society spreading hatred.

@@nfmg1719​​⁠Why are people like you so ignorant and liars and deceivers. It’s open for anyone to explore Leeann the history of Islam and even put it under the microscope. People like you are the problem in society spreading hatred.

Kudos for noticing that .

Also, if Petra is Becca .. why the Masjid Qiblatain face Mecca in Saudi Arabia (fact: Masjid Qiblatain Was Built When Prophet Muhammad is still alive)

I thought same.

Genesis 16:7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. Shur is a location mentioned several times in the Hebrew Bible. Scholars believe that the 'way of Shur' was located along the Wadi Tumilat - an arable strip of land to the east of the Nile delta, serving as the ancient transit route between Egypt and Canaan across the Sinai.

Zam Zam is somewhere near Wadi Tumilat, nowhere near Saudi. Near Palestine. Ibrahim is from Assam Palestine, so Wadi Tumilat is within rational walking distance, not Mecca 1500km. A woman and a young infant is not possible to walk that distance let alone the heat of the dessert. This proof that Quran is a compendium of LIES.

Prostration has literally been a form of worship across virtually every culture. Everyone and their mother bowed to their respective gods all over the world. You Muslims really think you invented the practice. 😂😂😂

Makkah is not Petra, the descriptions do not match

I found the answer.. it's in the Qurán, There was a different location as a test to see who will follow the prophet.. Some American wrongly joined a Quranist cult, then left it and studied Islam properly, he learned how to pray and that there was a different location.. Here is where he mentions it ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qJ6cgKyBf59myWw.html start at timestamp 40 minutes

You like an idea that does not exist and is incorrect, and your source is UKposts😂

Its a vile cult

Since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage throughout history since then.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot

Well said bro

Thanks for the explanation. This helps in getting better clarification.

My friend please understand that I am telling you this from many years of research the black cube at mecca is a representation of Saturn worship. The cube is a representation of the prison of the titans. This is idol worship. Mohammed received much of his information from a spirit deep within a cave. This spirit is most likely a powerful jinn or demon.

Its actualy forbidden to NON-muslims !

@ The Human Experience The Truth is rarely pure and never simple.

I agree with you

This theory has been disproved so easily and so many times, even by other orientalist that I’m honestly shocked that someone would even waste their time in creating this video. 1 hour plus video which can be refuted in like 5 minutes lol

This is amateurish garbage based on a totally debunked thesis from the 1970s.. Ancient Muslim historian accounts are extremely accurate and match very well with contemporary accounts written by Byzantines, Armenians, Copts and Syriac monks. _Hagerism_ actually did a great service to Islam and Islamic studies

Dear @rosevale3218. Consider the fact that since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad (peace be unto Him) in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage and annual Hajj throughout 1400 years history since then with no break.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot on. That is fact not beautifully narrated theory

let them be in their wilderness, they're motivated to just put all the curiosity in all Muslim readers. a waste of time.

No-one can convince us brother.Faith is not that easy thing

I ask this question with respect to all Muslims and there faith! If Mecca is the place where the 365 windows were, then they are right, its not there. That place of the 360 windows or niches is in the americas! Many of the ancient places today geographically are not the ancient place mentioned in the ancient records. Horace Butler in his book When Rocks Cry Out has shown many of the sacred ancient places temples pyramids and cities in the Americas. I know that to you i sound crazy like i was hit in the head by a large flying stone. Even the great pyramid in the ancient records said that it had stair cases and a summit at the top of it, when we clearly see that today it does not have any of those features. When you take a look at 'El Tajin' the famous pyramid of the niches in Mexico, you will be looking at that the ruins of the 360 window temple where Muhammad destroyed the idols in those windows.

@@brianglisson968 what windows?

@@kibriaali536 Well, they are more so "niches" or cubbies, than windows, where the idols were placed for veneration.. there were 360 idols that Muhammad destroyed according to the history. Each idol had its own day. And 360 Niches that were in the 'Temple of Windows' at ancient 'TaJin' in Mexico.. the "place of the Jinn" That means this temple "Temple of Windows" is the original Kaaba!! Now that begs of answers to now know that the Kaaba was in Mexico as well as these old events recorded. This was history that was deliberately destroyed and hidden yet somehow in our lifetime it was found uncovered by Horace Butler, author of 'When Rocks Cry Out'

Good day/night Sir, does your book not say the following And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you (2:115 And please according to Muslims the Quran is written very simple. so that whoever reads it can understand.

Hello@@henrypacquette1489, I hope you are well, and thank you for your question(s). Yes, it does say so, I believe I even referenced it (2:115) in my original response above. It was added to highlight the point that Dan's whole production is moot due to the fact that God doesn't need a direction to be reached, rather the direction is for our unity as a people, among other things. Not sure I understand your second point/question. The message is easy to understand yes, "Belief in One God, and serve God by serving life". That's pretty much the crux. A child can understand this, but then Islam also caters to the deep thinkers that can take it to a scholarly level. So hamdillah it covers both spectrums. Not sure if that's what you are looking for, but you are more than welcome to ask anything you want :) Good day

I learned more from this comment than in the documentary lol

This comment is worth reading than to waste time on documentary which obviously tries to fool people. Don't let anyone shake your belief, these are the propaganda of shayatin to deviate to create confusion but we should have faith coz faith is the base of our deen..

1) if bekka comes from (ب ك ك) it would be (بككة). therefore bekka comes from (ب ك ي) so it can make the word (بكة) + the meaning makes sense than (ب ك ك). God said the quran was explained and detailed (Sourat 41:3 for example) so the meaning of بكة based on its root (ب ك ي) makes perfect sense. 2) God said that he sent down Torah, Injeel and Psalms, and sent the Quran as a discernment (Sourat 3:3 - 3:4 for example). So as a believer, we must read those books in their original language and use Quran to detect problematic verses. in the case of the chapter 84 of Psalms, this chapter confirms what God sent before because both books talk about the valley of Bekkah. Therefore, for a Quranic believer, the chapter 84 of Psalms verse 6 and 7 are correct. 3) why didn't you write the whole verse? Abraham tells god that he established his family in an uncultived valley and he demand him to provide his family with trees of fruits. Abraham came before Mohamed so if God accepted Abraham demand and blessed his family with trees of fruits, then when Mohamed was born those trees were already here. 4) those verses doesn't prove your point in anyway??? they don't even mention Mekka it only describes how the believers were persecuted. Thus, Dan Gibson has solid elements to prove that masjid al haram is in Petra. But, nothing proves that this Masjid al haram was in Mekka so why do you use these verses pretending that it was happening in Mekka without any proof? 5) Nothing proves that God in the Quran named the city that is called today "Mekka" to be named Mekka. you say you're a believer yet you assume stuff about God without anything to support it, if you're a true believer then stop your shirk by pretending that you know what God is doing. "Millions of people come to mekkah so it is definitely a sacred city". Dan explained with evidence why people started to go to mekka have you even watch the video? your arguments doesn't make any sense you just assume stuff based on your own personal thoughts the Abraham example doesn't support anything of what you said. 6) If you're a true believer stop lying about God! God made us a Qibla towards Masjid al haram and told us to turn to its direction (Sourat 2:144 it is even used in this video! And you even used it in your commentary! Why are you lying!). in Sourat 2:115 Actually God says where ever you are where ever you turn God is here and everywhere. God is actually telling us that he is everywhere and knows everything and everything that happens. Again why are you lying! 7) Lemme laugh a bit i'll be right back. Your argument makes absolute no sense! STOP LYING God never told us to face the city that is currently called "Mekka" . STOP assuming stuff about God when God himself never talked about it. Stop your blasphemy! Stop your lies! Open your mind and use your brain! This documentary is a tresor for people who seek knowledge! You're the fooled one!

Yup, that's the issue that all blind slaves of Al-Lah face. Their brains have been shut down for sooooooo long, that abrogation and Bid'ah makes more sense to them then going back to the source of origin when it comes to historical facts. 🙄 That is why there's no point in digging or questioning for them.😔

What do you think of it

I wish id done the same.

Even when presented with crushing proof ...... Dumb, Dumbest & Dan often believe that the very proof that they are WRONG .... is a proof that they are right ..

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@@zionisthindurepublican7989 who are you referring to? Please clarify!!!

“I believe that since he cannot go there as a non-Muslim he created his own Mecca.” Also you: “… I’ve watched this with an open mind …” ☺️

@@kierenmoore3236 wouldn't finish it at all if I had a close mind. He basically says for thousands of years Muslims were idiots and worshipped the wrong place...

Very good brother. I've made a rebuttal to this video on my channel to show his blatant deceit.

The map that he drew, was he eluding to the "Ottoman Empire" ? How come Spain was also put into this too ?

@@theguidancecounsellor2948 where?

no old walls no figs no olives

This should kill your "emaan" right here....Jesus Yeshua who lived a whopping 700 years before the quran+hadiths said that 👉He is The Truth👈 Sooooooo, who do you think is lying, Jesus or muhammad?

Thank you for the clarification

And the black stone is in the Kaabah🙂

Beautifully said

Exactly

Totally not relevant. Have you even seen the rest of the documentairy?

Kudos. Very good answers.

Good

not a good comparison they did. yet again ho w can he claimed being an historian without speaking about evidence and studying the linguistic before tried to understand Quran?

All Religion is man made with medieval mentality , nothing wrong with that , they were the times . We need to move forward with science and reason . Faith is a just not enough . That’s trickery at its finest .

All Religion is man made with medieval mentality , nothing wrong with that , they were the times . We need to move forward with science and reason . Faith is a just not enough . That’s trickery at its finest .

Bro this is a Zionist Christian channel. 90% of what they're saying have been has ben debunked by academics. For example, the Nabateans are 100% Arabs and spoke Arabic not Aramaic, that's agreed upon. Second the Roman province was named Arabia Petraeus nor Syrian province. Also the in the Arabic text it does not say Syria but the word Sham is used which mean the Levant. Also notice how they call everything in Palestine - "Israel", and avoid mentioning the word Palestine even though that was the name under the Romans.

Press the CC button it may help

The message is a joke and insult to western scholarship. No mainstream scholar from either the muslim or western tradition endorses this ridiculous theory.

Lies in English is enough, unless you want the Arabs to be more disgusted with white man

"Deaf Dumb Blind, they will never return" Quran 2:18

Ikr. Dan missed that part. He tried

I think it's because extraterrestrials shared their knowledge with them just like they did with all other ancient civilizations and tribes all around the world. We are not alone.

@@margueritearavena2256 stay led astray

@@margueritearavena2256 Yes thats the true answer as in my research. Througout the bible theres talk of alien visitation & the book of Enoch had lots & it wasnt even in the bible.When i was younger i love Astromony & found to my suprise that the Saudis im sure it was had the greatest knowledge in civilization even better than China & planets & star systems etc were named by them wayy back in time.Where did they get the knowledge, where did anyone back then get it.And through the ages word has been passed down by mouth & carvings on rock till to this day we know it was because of visitation of other beings. Funny how time can eraze a lot of great information, burning books & missinformation etc. But we have great ppl who spend their lives on finding the real truth that others wish to hide from us but we keep finding it .Love IS the key i believe not war & murder.Have a great life

Look also into the work of Dr. al-Jallad on epigraphy (rock inscriptions). It sheds light on the origins of Arabic and the type of Arabic used in the Quran, which is northern Arabic. This agree well with Gibson's findings, as well as the geographical descriptions in the Quran, which are to places much further north than Mecca. Cheers!

Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)

@@theastronomer5800 yes it is true that muslims are praying in the wrong direction- because that's what satan wants them to do-qabese=ka bese= in Albanian language means to COVENANT with GOD and this word QA+BESE is only in Albanian language- which means that that land is the direction the prayers should GO- the holy land and the language that was spoken with GOD- many things are hidden, the truth is very deep but who knows ALBANIAN understands what has happened ; praying to the ground and not to the SKY where GOD sits, dressing in black; going around against the spirals that GOD rotates the univers; dressing women in black like dead mummies; islam was just a business to cover the east and peoples to be divided and controlled - Alexander the Great spoke Albanian- who burnt the Library you think and WHY???!!!!

This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas. This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pJ-WeoRqjX50uJc.html

The black rock was a diety the ancient pagan arabs used to worship

Hristiyanlar aşırı yalan söyleme yeteneğine sahiptir , kutsal kitapları İncil'i 6.000 ayrı şekilde yazdılar , yalana asla doymaz bir hristiyan😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

مكة البتراء وبكة القدس

No history of peeps in mecca

❤notice the doorways "larger made for "giants"

Documentary filled with endless lies. No offence but the stupidity in your comment of thinking mosques were around before Islam 🤣🤣🤣

@@theguidancecounsellor2948 I don’t take offense from idiots. Some cities predate all religions and not just Islam, Damascus is one of those. As such, the Umayyad Mosque is an ancient site that once held a temple to the Roman God, Jupiter. The same site was later made into a synagogue, then a church, then, during the Umayyad period, it was made into a mosque. PS: before you go around calling people stupid, I suggest that you be knowledgeable, cultured, and smart enough so as not to make a fool of yourself.

@@Mrmrnobodymr I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was because Mosques did not predate Islam. Yes the site at which the mosque is built predates Islam but as it was expanded in size and completely changed, a distinction must be made. I also don't believe Damascus predates all religion. Pretty sure the Canaanites (if you're referring to this far back) were polytheistic.

@@theguidancecounsellor2948 you contradict yourself wildly. When the site was expanded and changed, the prayer wall of the mosque faced exactly between the two cities of Mecca and Petra and still does so till this day. This proves the video correct and your first comment to be made of ignorance and completely irrelevant.

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/b3qbh4yng4mXo2w.html

I don't understand why people can take Quran seriously... Maybe out of curiosity. The Quran was written in a way that it was out of order unlike the Bible. I mean ...it was not written in a chronological order...there was no order.....it was a bunch of Arabic documents put together and with Muhammad's beliefs...

@@geoffreyk6229 LOL BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@The1Bozkurt1The Holy Bible was written in a well mannered order. Quran wasn't. Look at them both.

@@The1Bozkurt1Quran is just like Muhammad..F.A.K.E.

@@geoffreyk6229 DID JESUS CURSE THE FIG TREE BEFORE OR AFTER DIRIVING THE MERCHANTS FROM THE TEMPLE A-)AFTER : MATTHEW 21:12-19 B-)BEFORE : MARK 11:12-17 😂😂BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣 u killed me !!!

Facts

That's fascinating but the problem is I can't find who asked.

No one was trying to convert you dear. Just Historians sharing knowledge with the rest of us laymen.

The black stone was a worship place for pagans and muslims to this day do the same pagan rituals😃

Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/amR7jGiYnISawok.html

Ibn zubayr did what in 690 AD? Care to explain further? You should read the real history of qibla direction change. Muhammad and the early Muslims in Medina initially prayed towards Jerusalem, and changed the qibla to face the Kaaba in Mecca in 624 CE.

Lol facts because they not agreeing on nothing

There was no Sunni & Shia in the days of prophet Mohammad PBUH Go correct your knowledge first

@@wakdoj bro did you even watch the documentary ? lol

@@DrAliWD Why there is no ruins of ancient city on the place of modern Mecca as well as why there is no evidence of agriculture?

@@Btrutaltruth ikr

***////////⚠⚠ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠⚠ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠⚠//////////**** Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH"" The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "** Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"*** John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""*** Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""*** ******are all prophets according to the Quran*******

Christians God is not the God of Islam, Allah was made up.

Both was made up

First off Petra was not Mecca this guy Gibson is in total error guessing. He is guessing because he knows that modern day Mecca is not ancient Mecca. So he trying to guess at an important place that it could be. But he is wrong. He is right that modern Mecca and ancient Mecca are not the same place. The descriptions do not fit modern Mecca. Modern Jerusalem also is not ancient Jerusalem and they have not found any of the biblical stone cities. These place dont just disappear. And its not that they disappeared, they were never there, but some where else. These cities were hidden including the ancient biblical cites and Mecca. When you read the book When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler you will see where these stones cities still stand in the americas! Yes, it sounds impossible but the proof is having the stone cities! If you cant find the ancient stone cities and historical monuments like the Kaaba then you don't have the ancient geographic locations of these places.

@@brianglisson968 well said.

@@brianglisson968 You’re saying that precolumbian ruins in the Americans are actually biblical locations? How high are you dude?

@@kill_em_dafoe Thats Horace Butler's research that he found and wrote about, in HIS book 'When Rocks Cry Out' not mine. Read that book first then you can talk about it. Right now you have NO idea and dont have the knowledge to even argue against or for it! You dont know that Adam is not the first man in existence but the first of the creation of the Egyptian Empire after he gathered and combined the scattered groups/tribes to defeat his own real fathers empire. You also have no idea that Cain and Abel are the other names for Khonsu and Bel(Ausar) and that they are the sons of Amen their father who is 'Ed'Amen, "ADAM" You dont know that when the biblical records states that Jerusalem was in a high Mountain surrounded about. that those hills over their in todays so called Jerusalem are not it. So yes, modern ancient egypt that was built after they left and fled the Americas, on its walls and records are talking about their dawn and beginnings in South America where Amens temple was in the high mountains of Peru.

Avi Lipkin the Jewish historian claimed that Prophet Moses did pilgrimage to Mecca in his book "Return to Mecca" which was in the Arabian deserts. He also claimed Jethro was the high priest of the Cube / Ka"aba and Moses was married to Jethro's daughter. The Phylacteries that Orthodox Jews put on their heads or arms are replicas of the Cube/ Ka'aba. The time of his pilgrimage was during the Israelites' sojourn in the Arabian desert for 38 years followed by 2 years in the deserts just to the east of Jordan River. Please google for the image of the phylactery.

You are clearly missing the point though. If Muslims were told to "change the qiblas" and then they build so many mosques pointing towards a specific point, and this point is not Mecca, what does that tell you about early Islamic history.

@@theastronomer5800The mosques were not pointing in any particular direction, but were just built facing random directions each, ukposts.info/have/v-deo/g3x6iXmpm2uZqGg.html

I understand your point of view, and largely agree. However, I don’t believe this documentary was made with the purpose of being offensive to Muslims. I think the researcher is simply trying to clarify inconsistencies in early Islamic history. I certainly do not take his claims at face value, but it is an interesting theory.

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pGheZIl4mWqD0pc.htmlsi=U9X12OllMd5WTzQC How amazing this is

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/b3qbh4yng4mXo2w.html.

U want a 🥇?

The crescent moon and the black stone the Muslims walk round at Mecca are from the pre Muslim religion, when the people of Arabia and Iraq worshipped the moon. These symbols were absorbed into Islam.Mohammed travelled with his uncle around Arabia and Across into Egypt. He picked up Jewish and Christian teaching when he visited Synagogues and churches, but neither the Jews nor the Christians would let him convert to their religion, from worshipping the Moon God, so he started his own religion -- Islam. He incorporated the teachings he had heard into his own teachings. Non of his followers could read and write so it was important that his followers learned his teachings by heart. Even today Jewish children learn the Law (the first 5 books of the Bible )off by heart , when they go to Hebrew classes after school. The Quaran was codified 250 years after the time of Mohammed ,and there were 8 ancient copies written on vellum ,rather than papyrus . One of these ancient codices is in Cairo and the other is in Baghdad. The other 6 have not survived. The earliest Jewish Scroll dates from 100 years before Christ ,and individual books of the New Testament date from the late 1st century and 2nd century AD. All 3 of these religions had a long tradition of scribes faithfully copying the sacred texts, until the art of printing was invented. The Christian scribes did not only copy the Old and New testaments. They also copied Greek and Roman poetry ,plays and historical documents. There are over 5ooo copies of ancient New Testament books .

It's filled with lies.

yeah vids amazong how a group of peopls dedicated in debunking their religion.. fascinating

@MrA If all of my claims can easily be broken down, then do it, you are obliged to disprove my claims if you have the nerve to speak. I think I have put forward a rational argument with many of my claims opposing specific parts and statements in the documentary. It seems like you haven't paid attention to the details in the documentary and probably have not read my argument carefully, it's obvious by you saying that I will talk about zamzam water, which I already did, and to your bright attention, I have not claimed that the Quran mentions zamzam, as it does not need to mention zamzam, it's presence is a scientific fact. The Quran does not say there are olive trees in Mecca, this is the verse: “By the fig and the olive; By Mount Sinai; By this City of Security (Makkah)” this verse does not make a claim that there are figs and olives in Makkah nor on mount Sinai, it's an oath to those fruits because first of all they are very beneficial to the human body, secondly, figs and olives were known to the Arabs of Makkah because they were widely traded commodities. As a matter of fact, any commercial produce which was available in Petra - Palestine - Levant area, you could have also found in the markets of Makkah because there were merchants trading these goods. The prophet Mohammed had also travelled to the Levant in his youth as a merchant, people of Makkah were familiar with many fruits and products such as olive oil. Anyhow your understanding of history is very shallow, which explains why you would believe a clumsily prepared documentary like this one, I guess it was aimed at an audience of your caliber. Go read some history books, Mr.self proclaimed donkey genius

How do you know the translation was deliberately wrong?

@@michael7324 probably because he is an arab and knows classical Arabic?

@@xondeez757Hi XON, Im sure a lot of people speak the language. My question is why does he think it is deliberate? He can not know the translators intent.

@@michael7324 Arabs know what classical arab means.

You’re not giving them enough credit. They knew exactly what they were doing as they had mastered mathematics, astronomy, etc.

they use false logic to mislead us as if we are facing the wrong qibla. Indeed, it is an act of Satan (Deceit - Talbis) to confuse Muslims. The evidence that is claimed is widely distorted and spam. one of the proofs is that he does not include where the water of zam-zam and hills of shafa and marwah are located.

Interesting but...

@@blorac9869 of If E your week AA

His work is very interesting. I recommend reading his book "Quranic Geography". What he says is not that new though as it is supported by other evidence and a long time ago scholars started to notice for example that the linguistics and geography of the Quran does not agree with the Mecca region. If you're interested in the history, two excellent books are Early Islam by Ohlig and The Hidden Origins of Islam by Ohlig & Puin. They contain many fascinating works within!

@@blorac9869 There is always a but when the answer you get is not what you think or told. the evidence is strong he is right like all holy books there is always changes to suit the leader of the time in the early years maybe in today's world specifically over the last twenty plus years.

Right? 👍🏻

Regardless, there was no evidence of any city where current day Mecca is fitting the description of the city in Islam. No trees, fertile fields, or any archaeological evidence there was any city off the trade route, even on ancient Arabian maps. Where all the maps in Arabia changed? How did mecca become a desert instead of the fertile fields the Quran describes ?

Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism: they all survived over a thousand years. It's a long time but it doesn't say anything about veracity. It's quite imaginable that the Qibla could be moved if you were only roughly supposed to face it and weren't required to face it 100% accurately 🤷‍♀️

Turn around. Look at what Muhammad prophesied.. Find nothing...he was NOT A PROPHET.

Please view this video by Dr Shabir Ali on Dan Gibson's qibla at the link on the right; ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iqink4eLhI2F06M.html

I guess anyone that protested met a knife in the back afterall the ruler's words were ultimate back then pretty much everywhere in the world, unlike today.

@@Vengeance22 lol so how did you know that everyone who protested got killed? Sources right? The where are the sources that say anything about the change or the protest? Exactly nothing it's all in your imagination

Indeed... You're definitely right with that last part

Wow! That's a lot of splanning, Sir!

I totally agree that this video is so misleading, or perhaps he was misunderstood. For the direction of praying, what actually matters is the location of Kaabah, not the city it was in. Kaabah was not built because Mecca was chosen by Prophet Muhammad as a Holy city of Islam, but rather the city was built around Kaabah itself. Not only Kaabah, but also the location of Zam Zam well, the Tomb of Ibrahim, etc.

The founding father of modern sociology 😂 Is that why we have so many rainbows these days?

@@r.l.9986 I think you meant psychology not sociology.. do your research my friend

I wish they thought of themselves as a bit more similar and stopped killing eachother over which version of Islam is correct or not

Just like Christian people are the heart of killing and wars. Just look at USA in every country… We still don’t say Christians killing people eventhough in reality they really are. People really need to stop stereotyping religion…

@@Hums916 No one is killing in the name of Christ. It has nothing to do with our war fighting decisions..

@@jimmythe-gent , that’s because no one stereotypes a religion like Christianity because people don’t care. When it comes to Islam, people of other religions go crazy. Russia’s war with Ukraine and it’s all CHRISTIANS. Therefore don’t stereotype any religion.

No one kills in the name of Religion.

agreed balqis

I think further research might need to be made about the Zamzam well. But my theory is that the Zamzam well would just have always be there and formed naturally. And that the story about Hajar and Ishmael about the well might be just that, stories to justify the existence of the well in an arid area that's seemingly in the middle of nowhere. And the Maqaam Ibrahim, it's a stone that has an imprint of where the prophet stood when he built the Kaaba. If theories about the stone to be the related with the Black Stone that's descended from heaven is correct. Then I think that it might be coming from the same meteorite where the Black Stone comes from. Which matches the description that it's a stone that comes from heaven which can be interpreted as fallen from the sky, in other words, a meteor. Which then we can admit that the stone is definitely not of earth origin. But this is just my baseless theory, and I think further research needs to be made about it. I am a muslim, but I don't practice my religion through blind faith. I approach my religion through scientific views and always make sense of things using common sense and with historical socio-cultural contexts.

@@NeoKingArthur this kind of confussion about the kiblah already predicted and answered in the Quran. This make me realize how amazing The Quran is. So regretful that i am not a perfect moslem, yet. Sorry bad english. 😂😂

ARE THEY TWO OIL WELLS?

Please view this explanation by Avi Lipkin, a Jew on Moses pilgrimage to Mecca at ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jJmlioB-bmahyoE.html

Ehh. We never changed directions. Explain zam zam well, city of medina. Etc mecca is filled with homes and graves and mosques of the prophet's time.

it's also an inintentinal sin to pray in the wrong way, same thing in christianity

this is what happens when you dont understand arabic yet you judge like he expert you are not

Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)

seems you solved the issue very rationally :)

Yeah trueee. We should have pure heart ❤️ spiritually, rather than taking these all human made concept seriously, making no sense... 💯

But the quran isn't the same, you still believe Muhammed got it from the angel, even if he did, we don't have his copy... Jesus christ saves

@@thelegando4281 but still, there's no original manuscript of Muhammad's quran. So how do I believe this quran is real, after all, your allah said the bible corrupt then he sent Muhammad, but your allah couldn't preserve Muhammad's quran... you're reading a nonsense book... the roman Catholic Church created Islam. Fake aggressive murderous religion.

You guys are stupid if you think this would effect muslim people and make them disbelieve

Some people are too sentimental about their religion and seeing something bad or contradicting being said about it hurts and brings out the worst in them !! But as per islamic teachings we are supposed to ignore all other comments and not force anyone in to our views ....islam is a religion peace ..people forget that..i dont agree with this video at all but I'm fine with it..

that's somewhat true to every other member of any religions though. wouldn't you agree? It depends on how you were taught and your upbringing and how actually you are as a human being. True, some forgets the main ideology of how Islam should actually act, but most acknowledged it and actually preaching it even have greater understanding of Islam. Also, some people would react differently when their faith or what they truly believed in is being questioned you shouldn't be surprised about that. I don't know what your faith is, even if you don't believe in any religion, i wouldn't ask since it's not my business and you are free to choose. But i would say you or other people who have the same view or faith as you would react just about the same if the role is reversed here. I love watching or reading any history, but i think you are smart enough to know that you can't find conclusion by watching just one side of it. I don't agree or disagree with what was said on this video, but i would agree that this is informative and people who actually cares and want to learn like me should try and find more information before drawing any conclusion. I know your comment is relatively old but i just hope that you managed to read this before drawing any conclusions. Good day 🙂🙂

@@osamasaqib2465 Thank you!! ❤

All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA! 1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa! 2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2! 3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36). 4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea. 5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.! 6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re

Did you made reseaeched if what he said are true..

مكة البتراء وبكة القدس

Islamic beliefs are all fiction. They said Abraham and lsmael are the one who built the Kaaba. But it is beyond trueth. They also believed tha lsmael is the father of Arabs and it is also false. Arab came from different leneage some deceneds from Esau, many came from the decendants of Kethura and Abraham and some from decendants of lsmael. See, it is not lsmael itself as the father of Arabs. They are mix from different ansestors. Another lies is they said Jesus Christ is a muslim while as in flesh He came from thw lineage of David who is a Hebrew or a Jew. There are so many lies that they want to believe. They don't believe Lord Jesus is Son of God, but only a propeth. So sad for them that they will earn the lies they have.🙏🙏🙏

​@@zahra_alaqsaAllah is dead and he has forsaken all Muslims.

1- No mention in Roman or Byzantine Chronicles about a rebel in Petra named Muhammad 2- DG lived in Arabia for 30 years and translates Masjid wrong? The word comes from sujud (prostration) it does not mean a place of gathering! 3- The conflict between Ibn Zubair and Ummayads lasted years not months, ibn Zubair did not claim to be a caliph in Petra (blatant lie by gibson) 4 - Mecca is not some sort of sand dunes as DG describes, it has trees and water 5 - Tofail Al-Daosi is not from Mecca, he's from Daos, a place known as Al-Baha in modern Saudi Arabia, it is very green and has water and springs. 6- there are tons of Arab idols that were shaped like humans, many Arab idols were found in more than one location and historic accounts claim that Daos worshipped the idol he mentioned to only exist in Petra

7- No Muslim ever claimed that Mecca was a "trade center", it was a simple city with some simple trade and the people of Mecca weren't educated, in fact, Muslims believe that the prophet didn't read or write

Ancient people used stars for navigation, this is how they travelled and reached China

They're smart enough to build a mosque but not smart enough to determine north, south, east or west?

@@seanavp Hi Sean, The point is not if they knew North or South, the point is can everybody who built a mosque in those days pinpoint the exact angle to the nth degree, or as you say point north or south. A key premise in the documentary is they could determine it to the nth degree!!!!

Exactly what I wrote 👍

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@@Babycakes_2001 This video is made to *DESTROY* Islamic History.. The point in this research is that *the original Qibla is Petra,* not Mecca & not Al Aqsa with Evidence : There are several Old Mosques facing their Qibla to Petra (Data Defect) IN FACT, to judge whether Mecca is now in accordance with the Qur'an or not, it is Very Very Easy : *1. Is there a tomb of the prophet Abraham near the Kaaba ?* *2. Is there a spring of Zam-Zam whose water never runs out ? (in Petra there is none)* Very Very Easy. *Don't Be Fooled.* ukposts.info/have/v-deo/j11zZoF5kYep1qs.html id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka%27bah

Amazing explanation to what Muslim scholars neglected for hundreds of years! Bravo!

fake video and full of lies

It’s in Mecca where Kaaba is.

Masjid Al-Haram is not in Petra.

Bro, There is a water passage in petra where the Zamzam would flow, this water still appears in petra even today but it's rare!

@@thelegando4281 , I will repeat again. Zamzam water’s location in Al-Haram. Whatever is in Jordan it’s not zamzam. You can’t just call any water zamzam…

​@@Hums916 Zamzam means flowing water, not a well.

True

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the book burning -- i'm still in mourning after all these centuries. i week for the information, the knowledge that we lost.

Maybe it might make you happy to know Dan fabricated that whole thing amongst other things.

@@theguidancecounsellor2948 :sigh:

This video is made to *DESTROY* Islamic History.. The point in this research is that *the original Qibla is Petra,* not Mecca & not Al Aqsa with Evidence : There are several Old Mosques facing their Qibla to Petra (Data Defect) IN FACT, to judge whether Mecca is now in accordance with the Qur'an or not, it is Very Very Easy : *1. Is there a tomb of the prophet Abraham near the Kaaba ?* *2. Is there a spring of Zam-Zam whose water never runs out ? (in Petra there is none)* Very Very Easy. *Don't Be Fooled.* ukposts.info/have/v-deo/j11zZoF5kYep1qs.html id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka%27bah

What?? we never said mecca had any agriculture or trees. Also, if the prophet peace be upon him and his household, his wife, his father, and his grandfather were merchants, doesn't that mean that Mecca was full of merchants and thus was on the trade routes??

them, they their :)

what proof is there, forget about everything you wrote about muslims and forget that probably the 10 most bloody wars has nothing to do with them but what proof do you have about having a problem with science and blindlessy following things, considering the islamic nations had been the centre of science for centuries and in the quran there is mentioning that heavens and earth were joined together which science proved and mentioning that all living things are made of water which science has proved and mentioning that allah has sent down iron(from the heaven) which science has proven and another verse where allah says he has built the heaven and he is making it expand which science has proven and another verse talking about the development of the embryo inside its mother womb and there are verses that could be understood to imply that earth is shaped like an egg and another that has been understood that the sun makes its own light while the moons doesn't and this could go on so what is the thing with science posing a challenge to our belief?

Yep, fight and kill for the sake of a man-made story

What you just said is a total ignorance.

Muslims ignore this. I've also made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel if you're interested in the other side. Then you can critique fairly

He researched the truth for u. Otherwise, create your own documentry with scientific basis, arheologically speaking. I will wait you for that.

Yeah especially since this is nonsense Good work indeed

Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. - Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉

@@mhikeefuentes2073 then this is ur answer. ukposts.info/slow/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

And the stream "weeps" though the crack. Double entendre ftw

I AM The Daughter Of Heavenly Hosts

You probably smoke alotta “Bekka” then 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@dennissettlemyre917 Do I know you?

@@ross3818 தி,

Today’s direction of either mosques was made later. Dan Gibson has researched that too.

After the Muslims moved to Madina, a prayer of the Prophet was accepted and Muslims were told to face Mecca instead of Palestine, so its clear enough that they faced a different direction in the early days. Read all of Islamic history then make assumptions.

MADINA mosque more than 5 times reconstructed...

Weak documentary.

@@twitterer if anything against Islam it is weak.. so funny.. weak hadeeths and weak quran, weak Muhammad and weak Allah.. But I know woman and perfumes are the weakness of Muhammad.. Brother he saying with historical and scientific evidences... so you have right to answer the same way.. God Bless you

Yes! It is probably one of the most famous rivers on the planet of earth - despite its historically and relatively small actual political significance! Even though it during certain specific instances in history has had some level of importance as political border, especially ever since the birth and establishment of all of the three 'Abrahamitic religions', it never the less didn't really get the indisputabel political importance that it has today before the mid 20th century. Beginning with the carving up of the former Ottoman Empire - and especially so the (re-?) establishment of the modern nation-state of Israel. Never the less, despite its religious and symbolic meaning and repute that is so firmly grounded and found within all of the tree greatest religions as well as its later political importance - I believe it in our days have been trumped by its importance as a mere natural resource... Materialism and capitalism trumps everything - at least in the end, and sooner or later. Wars will from now on probably not be fought for a desire for gold, wealth or 'even' political religious or ideological reasons, but more as a seeming necessity - to 'win' vital resources such as water and rich farm-land....back to the Viking Age, but with Nuclear Arsenals instead of swords. Unfortunately.....

And what makes you believe this?

Common sense 👍😃

@@stupendouslife8128 fair enough. I've made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel which you might find interesting.

@@stupendouslife8128 by the way, could you give an example of something said which is factual?

@@stupendouslife8128 Common sense doesn't mean it makes you believe...here is the common sense..only Muhammad the false prophet speak the name allah,,Abraham speak to God, MOSES speak to God make miracles in the name of God, and thousands of prophets speak to God.. BUT NONE OF THEM SPEAK THE WORD allah... SO tell me where is your common sense .. a one Muhammad compare to hundred and thousands that speak to God? God has no name before..because He was not been born yet and never He gave names.. people just call him before ,He WAS NO NAME and ,. I AM, FATHER, and GOD.. there is no allah. No w i will ask you where is your common sense And FAITH to God? AND DON'T INSIST allah is god... BECAUSE GOD IS GOD and allah is only allah both will never be the same.. GOD IS 3 letters ... AND allah is 5.. it will never be the same..

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I have always faced McDonalds when I prayed & have now been blessed with type 2 diabetes

Haa

@@carpecervisiam9366 LMFAOOOO WTF

dang

Watch - The life of Mohammed (According to Islamic sources)

وقد دعا سيدنا إبراهيم الله أن يرزق أهل هذا البلد من الثمرات، وكما يفسر الباحث الإسلامي الدكتور عدنان إبراهيم، أن الثمرات إما تزرع أو تجتبى من خارج البلد، وهذا ما كان في قوله تعالى: { وَقَالُوا إِن نَّتَّبِعِ الْهُدَىٰ مَعَكَ نُتَخَطَّفْ مِنْ أَرْضِنَا ۚ أَوَلَمْ نُمَكِّن لَّهُمْ حَرَمًا آمِنًا يُجْبَىٰ إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رِّزْقًا مِّن لَّدُنَّا وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (57)} سورة القصص

OK! lets use old resources to know where was Muhammad born ? and who are his ancestors ? These resources before he was born hhhhhhhhaaa Old Testament Isaiah 21 : 13:An oracle concerning Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia 14:bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives. Tema is in Saudi Arabia "تيماء" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayma Genesis 25 13:And these were the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam Kedar is Ishmael's son Isaiah 42 11:Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, The villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, Let them shout from the top of the mountains. mountain Sela is in Saudi Arabia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)

جزاک اللہ۔

@@user-bj8ni2wo6o that is not muhamed read harry potter, much muhamed there and there is a muhamed in that disney movie but muhamed is not mentioned in holy books

@@worfoz shut up

Check out my rebuttal on my channel to this silly documentary

Exatly my point ,he sees we should follwo his place of birth ,great documentry thought has history for muslims to learn

Bener om, ini mah "cocoklogi" mau ngerusak

ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kJFod6Vufquhx3U.html Also as you correctly translated from the Quran; Zamzam "springs," the one in Mecca is a well and not a spring.. Does make you think!

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@@harriskhan7671 you expect me to open a fake youtube link?

This ‘documentary’ is based on false information and assumptions. Please read this article: muslimheritage.com/the-petra-fallacy/

@@jalilm.9668 face it you been lied to now grow from that knowledge

Except that he is wrong and this is why: He almost fooled me until he started misquoting hadiths. And to my surprise his “documentary” is full of deception that most non-Muslims won’t notice. For any one that is interested you can watch this video which debunked this theory ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pWOmaqGDoqqKkZ8.html

also Haraam meaning is holy, almost similar to haram which means forbidden or prohibited. That's why when learning about arabs we must carefully understand the words meaning

@@rizalawaludinmalik2226 both of you could be correct, but in order to let the researcher analyze your arguments you need to provide your reference and the language/ place/ time you derive your meaning from. Otherwise your statements are of no use but for personal opinions.

Check out the rebuttal on my channel to this documentary.

Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. - Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer

Faiez Evans your a very good looking guy, but the fact is no one was present for the events recorded in any historical text, and the fact that none of it can be confirmed to be factual, discredits most of human history ... which is really disappointing, but that’s the reality!

@@camerontaylor7471 That's why this video is about archeological records and contemporary texts. History isn't scary!

The climactic change and lack of water supply doomed Petra, that was why it declined. Any conquest would have wanted a place where people could thrive.

Foxy Cinnamon Destruction of Petra’s extensive irrigation systems doomed Petra. Just like the destruction of the Great Dam of Marib ended the Kingdom of Saba.

@@allangibson8494When the water goes, the people go.

but muslim prayers are only heard by Allah if they are facing the ‘forbidden gathering place’

​​@@michelkhater3032what? where did you get that information, is there a hadisth that explains it?, as far as I know, the qilbat is only a direction, so that Muslims from all over the world can unite, just it

@@michelkhater3032 This documentary has been disproven many times. But you still follow anything that is against Islam without any proof. Sad.

@@CentralFusion disproven??? What evidence they have to disprove it ?? Muslims are living in denial.

For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all.

These people especially in the comments really tried their hardest to mislead the muslims either openly or subtly but all they can do is to mislead themselves and those who have weak imaan. Like shaytan who whisper to your heart and ears so that you would disbelieve. I'm not surprised there are Muslims who will have a change of heart based on this video alone as they are ignorant of their own religion.

All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA! 1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa! 2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2! 3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36). 4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea. 5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.! 6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re

@@iMan-610 2 - No such thing, since it was written after mr. Muhammeds death. 3 - Wrong - Byzantine only banned idols hundred of years later. 4+5 - Doesn't really matter. The people who adopt it makes the rules and sets the language. 6 - Interesting read

@@SKeeetcher thank you.... @IMan is an idiot...

Haha, nice one! On the real though, I think there is a huge disconnect for any Muslim that learned objectively. Things just don't connect. Don't know if the video is right... But it connects way better than the agenda we have today.

@@aliyuolalekan8276 I’m born and raised muslim , I’m sorry to disappoint you but this video was lie . Quran has never been edit or any change ( word of god ) and we people we know it and we use it on our daily routine. Simply this’s video mentioned the story against Quran’s story

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@@K-noise. If it was the words of God, should not you follow every word?

@@K-noise. lie or not has nothing to do with your birth and the way you were raised, I'm also not sure you've read it.. If the Quran is not the same as history, then which one is wrong? All I know is: history and fact is very stubborn

If you read Dan Gibson's counter reply to David King you will feel ashamed for King and never respect him again. On his main claim that scientific methods were not developed for accurate qibla direction at the time Gibson debunked it by pointing out the fact that Arabs travelled 1000ns of miles on trackless deserts away from Arabia and come back home safely using stars and solstice. Arabs were able to navigate accurately to China within same periods qiblas were pointing to Petra. Such people building a structure to face a certain direction will never commit an absurd mistake by making it face an opposite direction or deviated direction. This David King replied that Arabs were able to reach China on flying carpets . At this point it was clear that a scholar has turned into a moron on the side of Islamic propaganda fuelled by Saudi dawa dollars.

JazakAllah brother for sharing this, I was looking for someone to put light on these facts, I myself had not this much knowledge..

“And no example or similitude do they bring (to oppose or to find fault in you or in this Quran), but We reveal to you the truth (against that similitude or example), and the better explanation thereof” [al-Furqan 25:33]. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “Here Allah, may He be glorified, tells us that the disbelievers do not produce any rational argument to support their falsehood but He refutes it on the basis of truth, and presents arguments and evidence and examples that offer a better explanation thereof, are more convincing and give a clearer explanation of the truth than their argument and analogy.” (Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (4/106) Thank you for posting the truth.

Ahsant. This theory that Mecca isn’t Mecca is very ignorant and nothing but new world order propaganda. This channel has lost my respect and credibility as well as that of any knowledgeable person watching it. Muslims have been in Mecca since Islam. When was Mecca forgotten? Stupidity, sir. And shame on this channel

@@remotAge They shouldn't look to it if its bs. There is evidence suggesting otherwise, in fact it's extremely simple for anyone with half a brain cell. The prophets mosque is still around to this day, and the kaaba aka the black stone that symbolises the centre of mecca and muslim faith has been around since Abraham built it. It is also the direction we pray to... and have been since the time of the Prophet.

@@suleim1357You don't know if it's BS, or the truth, UNTIL you look into it.

It's been investigated and nobody has corrected anything.

Wow...we’re experiencing a digital book burning now

@@MelaninMagdalene yes ma'am we certainly are....and many people who can afford it are buying up print books.....because the more we entrust our "books" to kindle and such, the more chance we have of losing all our books suddenly. We are already not allowed to SAY what we want on line.....oh yes, they'd love to take our books.....and create the dark ages once again...🤦‍♀️

They are not interest in the worldly life,they are interest to spread the word of God,the Qur'an.to save the human to the punishment of hellfire after death.

@@nixonbayabao4613 good to know......👏🏼

@@nixonbayabao4613 Well, unfortunately there are MILLIONS of people in the middle east who live in poverty and terrible conditions. Since allah has not provided for his followers, perhaps they should have other interests to provide for themselves?