If hes getting pummeled yes... if it's a choke though. Gotta let that shit go the extra second or 2

@@jonbaxter4063 yeah brain dont need blood that bad rly

Very true

@@norgepalm7315 it takes about 10-15 seconds of blood flow restriction for a person to lose consciousness. It takes 4-6 *minutes* of restricted bloodflow for permanent damage to occur.

Word

Gotta love both of them

Most fighters would Bitch about it forever

yeah id like to see more fighters take his approach. the world looks at you a lot differently if you're the guy who just shrugs it off and shakes everyone's hand, vs throwing a temper tantrum and showin your ass in the middle of the octagon.

Lawler is a badass. Nothing changes this fact. I respect his no-excuses attitude.

Robbie is such classy guy, he could’ve easily went off at Herb for that but he decided to show respect and realize that everyone makes mistakes.

Hahaha why is this so accurate

716 Fanatics more like he has a lisp and just overcame it slightly...

Speech therapy if i had to guess ,i was thinkin thr same thing

No, he definitely has a little lisp.

I have a lisp myself and I can tell he has one

whole heartedly agree with you here. Respect to Dean

Yeah, if he'd stopped it just 120 seconds later, and Lawler might've got brain damage.

Yeah i never really heard him speak before

Get Em Detric same.

@JMFS wot

JMFS the fact you went there shows you’re the only one thinking that..

montygrip21 do you compliment white people on being articulate?

But he wasn't

Marco Esteban even so, he was fucked. He was not getting out of that. The fight was over .

I was ur 400 th like

Marco Esteban shut the fuck up

Marco Esteban - “but he wasn’t out” - you didn’t know that. The only person on earth that knows is Robbie Lawler. Did he let his arm go limp on purpose? He’s a veteran, he knows that’s a sign for the ref to stop the fight.

Sophistschoice It’s because he presents a nice face. That’s how we judge right or wrong. If you present yourself as likable then you’re right. If you present yourself as unlikable, then everything you say is wrong, even if you’re right. I happen to agree with Dean, but that’s why the comment section is so calm. If he would’ve presented information in a loud, not soothing way and he had messy hair, everyone would be yelling and being nasty about how wrong he is. That’s how our society works

@@MrShanester117 I noticed this from my transition from 16 year old good looking lad to 24 year old ex heroin user that's half fallen apart, I act the same but the stigma of drug use or how you look in other cases really effects how people treat you. Guys don't hold open doors for ugly girls or old chicks either so it's both ways

I love seeing that people rather see a fight stopped a second early vs a dangerous second late.

@@jackrobinson9403 men date ugly chicks all the time. Lol

Rare these days

Bishopman 2 ikr

true, the crown of his head was pointing straight down as well lol

@@fred6839 I have rewatched the whole fight about 5 times since I posted this. Lol. I actually like both Machida and Jones, but as we all know Jones is pretty much throwing his career down the shitter with his behavior outside of MMA.

"Hey baby. You're alright baby." That's what I remember most about that one.

Watched that fight live as a teenager and I thought jones killed a dude on live TV.

Perfectly said!

markus andrews damn, very very well put.

Very well said

True, IF the arm went limp. And I'm not saying it was a bad stop at all, I'd call it an unfortunate stop more than anything

Octavian Dumitrascu besides once a guy like askren gets you like that your either going to sleep or your necks gonna get seriously injured and your just not gonna get out of it

mario mazzagatti: Hold my beer

Mario Yamasaki will want them to be a warrior.

This. At the end of the day his job isnt just to moderate its to protect the fighters

@@allyw7405 hahaha

Human Resources Bring it! 🤣

Tyler Thurman except when he never does... he respects Herb Dean more than most people though.

@@marshugs5512 he does when the are sober

He didn't let like finish and he got pissed

Herb was gonna tell a double KO story from King of the Cage and Joe talked right over it lol.

Joe is a really talented talk show host. He makes the guests feel very comfortable, the environment is chill af, and Joe himself is just a nice dude. He always makes you feel like he is intently listening to what you have to say. That's why his podcasts are so popular

Herb is the best

Peoples arms get tired..no matter who you are

@DJ C Robbie would of been out before Ben got tired

poop head I agree

@DJ C have you seen what ben did to a watermelon in similar he would of broke his jaw

Thank you

@mateo reyes lol not that extreme he was still conscious

@@topbanana8724 you can be conscious and still get paralyzed. going unconscious is much safer than a spinal injury. and askren has an insane squeeze, I am sure he could break his neck is he really wanted to

Until he met gamebred

@@topbanana8724 so ive done lots of judo and jujitsu tournament and honestly my personal weakness is neck cranks like those. People say that was a choke submission but even if lawler wasnt out the insane force askren was putting on his neck must have been tremendous. Like getting guillotine choked i can handle it pretty well and dont get tapped from it often but if they roll back with it and start a neck crank i immediately tap. Stuff to the neck/spine area can easily hurt people and yea i agree lawler wasnt out but if askren cranked harder he easily would have fractured or snapped lawlers neck before the tap came through.

@@Vjamesx13 i mean if he wasnt out tho why would he drop arms

99 percent why? I knew about it tbf tho there's a lot people who just follow ronda Connor to now UFC and not all the other events and it's history.

Struggling yes, unconscious no. There is a difference.

With how he explains it about paralysis and possible implications of leaving a blood choke for to long he was 100% right to stop it, better to stop it 'early' and be safe than leave it and have someone permanently hurt. You can be upset about the lack of closure but herb had to stop it.

J Leos009 it was hopeless for lawler.

J V 100% agree

I like Ben but he didn't win that fight. He was givin a gift by the ref

cameron yogibear Learn about the different chokes and their effects before you start throwing around big words like “his” and “head” there buddy. The referee’s job is to stop the fight BEFORE serious damage occurs.... Actually nevermind learning since Herb took the time to explain it to you, ya freakin’ scrub.

cameron yogibear All respect is due to Robbie for this fight...he is a classy fighter and didn’t get the job done that night. You however are clearly a tool.

cameron yogibear yes “clearly” that’s it. Meanwhile, you are such a purest that in your mind and heart he wins even though he loses. Never mind what I said about you being a “freakin’ scrub” and a “tool”....I apologise for that. You have defeated logic and entered the shadow realm where losses, wins, and records no longer affect reality apparently...

@cameron yogibear it was a loss for Robbie there is now way in hell he was getting out of that i bet any money put someone you know in that choke they will not get out I let someone put me in it just to see and there is no way you can get out and it was Ben askren who was doing the bulldog at thag

@cameron yogibear Jesus christ he lost the fucking fight get over it. He looked unconscious so the ref stopped the fight. What do you not understand? And before you respond with more of your uneducated useless cursing, try and think about a logical response.

I honestly thought all refs had some sort of experience in competing

@@sweetpeaches6916 most do

He didn’t compete until after he was already a longtime ref lol. His pro debut he was 47 years old 😂

its good because so far in mma there's never been a death in the octagon, and I attribute most to the amount of good referrees that are in there making sure it stays in the realm of sports, and not in courts

MMA is actually a very safe sport. A lot safer than boxing due to the fact of three 5 minute rounds vs boxing with 10+ rounds and the 10 second count. So you can theoretically get knocked out twice in the same round and still continue to fight in boxing. In mma with the ground and pound if they hit the deck they’re done. Also with the grappling aspect and submissions, fighters might take some damage but not very much and not for too long. Boxing is 100x more dangerous than MMA, that’s why people HAVE died in the boxing ring multiple times as well as tons of “punch drunk” boxers. We haven’t really seen too many MMA guys, even from the “no holds barred” crazy ass era, be punch drunk like these old boxers

@@Noles4life77 I hear ya.

@@Noles4life77 I get what you are saying and i agree with you for the most part, however i think calling mma a "very safe sport" is wrong, yes there has been no deaths but mma causes brain damage and cte bro

Gibbet Hoskins Dudes arm went fucking dead he was out! Then he very quickly came to with no recollection of being unconscious.

@@seangreenz420 and that happens all the time. Sometimes fighters don't even realize and other times they're just playing it up to try to look better. But dudes can be totally out and pop up 2 secs later yelling...doesn't mean they weren't out completely. Anyways, I agree with you and Herb made the right call.

He was out. When Herb first got over there, Ben let up on it for a split second thinking the fight had already been stopped, and that's when Robbie came back to life. At the time I doubt Robbie even realized he'd gone out, but the fact that both he and his manager just kinda dropped the whole thing after a couple days, tells me that even they ultimately came to the conclusion that it was over. I know Robbie's a quiet respectful guy who doesn't like to rock the boat, but he's not a doormat. If he truly felt like he had the fight stolen from him... he would've said something when asked about it at last week's press conference. Instead, he didn't even suggest that he'd been wronged in some way

I'd have lost some respect for Herb if didn't stop the fight. If he doesn't act when he sees an arm go limp like that, he's not doing his job. Dana calling it a bad stoppage is pretty shitty.

I think askren won 👍🔥but robbie could've tried to bluff the unconsciousness with the limp arm. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

He changed his opinion based on the information he had at the time. Herb raises some great points, the ref is in there to keep bother fighters safe.

Joe is using a law of power there

Always

@Mike G He doesn't dispute this, he himself has said many times he just lets the guy talk and agreeing just facilitates that. Everyone is so confrontational these days. There's times for it, but that's not it.

@@SaturnVII exactly, agreeing merely helps the flow of conversation stay steady, rather than stopping to fixate on one thing while also stopping progress toward other topics.

The problem is he’s a ref😂

😂😂😂 exactly!!!

Hahaha exactly

Not only that but Marty trained with lawler for that fight

Marty is hard to take, I tried listening to him on the podcast and he just came across as annoying.

Daniel Marty makes me like Colby lmaoooo, I hated Colby till Marty started running his mouth acting tough against Ben askren back stage.... Marty’s top three most unlikable fighters in the ufc

Big John LITERALLY wrote the book on MMA rules.

@@alexkmoz That he did.

RDM 010 I’ll co-sign that all day! The best thing that ever happened in Big John’s life was being denied entry as fighter in the UFC’s first show

For sure

Big John has written them. Literally. The future happened.

HUH WHAT the fuck You talking about

Henry “Greatest UFC Fighter of All Time” Cejudo

No no, the Olympic medal won a Henry cejudo

@cody I see many ppl with ur profile pic? What does it meme?

@@BallJuiceOfZeus ikr i'm confused. Everyone has it

Agreed. Great point

No WAY, even one single tiny mistake and these refs must be publicly executed Yeah nah, guys like Herb are the best in the business, the man has probably saved lives

you're 100% right. if we're still talking about this after a million replays, to me, it proves Herb was right

I agree with the stoppage like why would your arm go limp like that

At least one person gets it. Not only was it the right call, it was the right call made within a second during an intense fight, where the wrong call can lead to some serious shit.

yamasaki or mazzagatti. Leave no doubts or lives in the octagon.

@@seanthemoneymagnet2158 haha. You gotta be a warrior in there.

you're the ref

K Harris nah man !! There is one thing that I don’t like about herbs refereeing he lets guys ride the clock all to often either on the cage or canvas

For real or thier will be permanent damage to fighters in the future

Hahaha

Pretty sure hes the only Olympic gold medalist to be a ufc champ....but if im wrong please educate me.

Well if that's true how come he never mentions it. such a modest kid

Lmao

DhDeadMan *Cue Kurt Angles Music*

I love em

Awarded to him by Henry Cejudo

Herb “Henry Cejudo” Dean ?

That's cool. Didn't know that

More like fucking up fights. Herb used to be great but he has fuck ups regularly and when he fucks up it's mostly scandalous. Watch CB Dollaway's last fight where Herb wanted him to die lol. Guys like Keith Peterson are the real elite refs today. The ones where people don't know their names.

@@castle273 ight

Hahahhahah!! Ben was rockin' the dad bod for sure.

Damn that's a good point lol

@@troypimenta3883 he always has looked like that

Would you prefer to see a six pack?

@@babysin1984 what kind of question is that, you arer watching a professional athlete, obviously you want to see the athlete in their top shape.

Fun fact: Herb dean used to fight in mma himself in his younger days. There's afew fights of him uploaded on youtube in some british/uk cage fighting shows.

BretN7 yep we watched the podcast and him talking about his fighting career lol

Irishman checkin in i was like tf his voice don’t match haha

Do they bring up that he got kod by joe Riggs.. herb is one of the the only ref to have fought... I wanna see Frank trigg reffing some bigger fights n see if being a high level pro fighter helps with becoming a referee

Every fighter on twitter thought It was bullshit

@@TheLearyDon The initial reaction to Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir was the same with everyone booing and calling bullshit then on the replay you seen Tim's arm being broken. Herb is rarely on the end of a bad decision, so i'd give him the benefit of the doubt here.

@@dean529 furthermore, the few times that he made a bad call to stop the fight, he owns up to it. he will come out and say if he made a bad call.

@@TheLearyDon Kinda fucking nerd shit dork male is looking at other guys Twitter feeds?

100% right. Usman is just a jealous and cocky chump who tries to bully people.

John needs to come back

@meaturama if you're using sarcasm it wasn't clear enough. If you're actually serious go watch the plethora of fighters losing pinnacle fights because of shitty refs. People being killed because of shitty refs. Referees are as important as the fighters themselves in a professional setting.

Don't forget DAN the man

Beltran is good

I perfer Mario...

Your arms can burn out very quickly from the squeeze

Robert Jacob Wrong, if you’ve ever wrestled or done BJJ, you’ll know that grapplers have undeniably strong arms and grips. Some at the level of Ben Askren is simply gonna let go of the choke because “his arm is tired”. That reasoning is actually fucking stupid, Lawler was going to be slept if Herb didn’t call it.

Robert Jacob maybe if it was a different choke and any other fighter but Ben askren

@@robertjacob3910 that's true of some chokes, yes, but with a bulldog choke, in that position, your back is sharing the workload with your arms. It would take a long ass time to burn out your arms on that one.

Cool Grey Lawler could have made it to the end of the round without a chance of going out the way Ben had that thing gripped. Now, if he can slide his bicep a little lower then Robbie is in real danger. Robbie was in good position to make it to the 2nd unless the angle of the choke is changed

Big John made far less mistakes. Herb is too emotional.

If Robbie brakes his neck ,, mma is in danger , everybody wil say herb is a murderer ! So he did the right thing , he has to because he is a great ref...

It was a mistake But Herb is still the one of the best. Great call for fighter safety, just Robbie wasn't out. But oh well #runitback

Watched the conor khabib fight?

​@@professionalshittalker What you talking about? Conor v Khabib ended in a neck crank Lawler v Askren was a bulldog choke ???

Tully Holmes young jamie “I cant find the ebsecutioner” shut the fuck up

Herb had that picture handy with him already.

Yeah but Jamie went to college. He got an A.

not only an A, an A in physics

you're a smartphone

Spot on with that analysis 👌

Don't forget Mario yamasaki

Olivier S. Jesus he nearly killed a few fighters

@@brawleyhd6853 hes making a joke

anon86 poor form from me there 🙃

Alex Orozco you want Yamasaki to ref? If he dies, he dies.😂

Sam 😂😂😂

I mean he is 100% correct in this case.

😂

His running a very successful iPod I think he knows what he’s doing he definitely has to keep the peace debate and conversation but I would def agree with herb dean on this call

Of course Marty would try to convince him otherwise, he hates Ben😂😂😂

Thomas Gregorich probably because Marty and abdelisleeze would have tried to fight him like the classless animals they are

Joe “Lets just admire this male form for a minute” Rogan That’s his best nickname.

Cubic Man he’s Robby’s teammate also lol

Joe “my opinion changes depending on who I’m with” Rogan

Anybody that knows anything about chokes knows, that no matter who you are..your arms tire out.. robbie said he was gonna wait for that.

@MrBrenman21 Could of broke his damn jaw...

@MrBrenman21 not really...peoples arms get tired...PERIOD

bod smith real fans know you can’t choke someone unconscious with your arms wrapped around there jaw

@@thottydagod457 remember it was the first round. hes train for this his whole life. he woulda kept that grip till the end of the round if that's what it took

EXACTLY

Lol this cracked me up. I can picture that goofy bastard in an empty arena, still holding on, two months later.... waiting for a ref to come in and tell him to let go.

For sure folks

Devlins10 hahahahaha

Brett Perry bro this shit is funny as hell

Its actually called a speech. "Speach" isn't even a word, buddy.

@@eddienicx *success *dictionary

@@eddienicx, why do gay ppl always assume everyone else is too as they constantly beg other men to "succ my dicc" ??

@@eddienicx how do you spell wrong with spell check

Wesley Hempoli It’s*

Alexandros Theodorou where was robbie gonna go ffs

Dumb ass up

What fights are those ..

@@dayra6425 were you listening to the podcast? he literally talks about one of those fights.

@@dayra6425 7:20

Exactly right. Out or not, the ref did his job and he can live to fight another day.

Any secon robbie will tap out or sleep thougg.. herb save his live..that grip can break robbies neck at any second

lmao it took me a second

JLDoubleU lol took me a few

@Sick World herb is weed

gay

Lol

He is.

I played that game once. I gave my character the best possible stats for leg kicking and kicked the fuck out of Dana White's legs until they broke. Pretty satisfying.

@@oceanwaves83 😂 I gotta try that

@@jayfrmbrklyn4543 lol do it

@@oceanwaves83 Just got the game yesterday and I just saw this comment and I tried it just now. It's really satisfying. Good tip bro.

Lawler isnt known for lying or making excuses though. Dont know why that would be the one and only time. Really. Lawler is about as "all class, no excuses" that there is.

well he wasn't exactly out was he

@Fluke he was fully conscious and was arguing with herb dean immediately after the stoppage. plus, it wasn't a blood choke it was a bulldog choke which bends the spine so it wouldn't have choked him out anyway. honestly a bulldog choke is even more dangerous and I'm happy dean stepped in when he did rather than him doing so potentially too late

@Fluke sorry but where are you getting this info from it all seems like conjecture

@Fluke ok well as I said before you can't get choked out with a bulldog choke since it works by bending the spine, and how could've be been out for 2 seconds if he was fully conscious when the fight was stopped?? at what point was he unconscious for 2 seconds?? before the ref stopped it during the bulldog choke where his arms seemingly went limp (which rightfully gave herb dean the impression he went unconscious), or after??

Casey Doan bro I just died laughing at your comment

I'm surprised your comment didn't get dogpiled by the MMA experts trying to explain why going limp counts as defending a submission

LMAO this killed me

Yeah, I remember he was suggesting he was conserving energy or some such, which is why he let his arm go limp. I don't even have to call him wrong. I would still expect the Ref's to end the fight if you go limp intentionally. We don't want to set a precedence of telling refs to try to figure if the fighter is really out or just pretending.

@@RageDaug why waste energy flailing your arm around? Care to explain. Or is Ben the Bum really that good? I mean he did get knocked out by a disney kid. Disney making some real fighters over there.

A fighter might go limp to make the other guy relax (make them think the fight is over), but this is not the way of the Samurai.

​ Probability But that's not how it works. You must defend yourself at all cost as stated in the rules. If you allow your hands to go limp and try to play the coma card the referee can't tell it's a strategy and might just see you being out and will act accordingly. So, I just don't see how that dangerous plan (waiting for Ben Askren to be tired? Really...?) could work anyway, no matter how we look at it he was out or pretended to be. In both cases he lost the fight.

@@tenseiproductions3016 I agree, it's very risky and probably won't even work. But OP asked why would you go limp willingly, that was the only thing I could think of - just as a ploy.

Ben wasn’t hurting Robbie that’s why he went limp. He didn’t need to waste energy trying to get out of, so he relaxed. But Herb did the right thing.

Playing possom bro Robbie wanted a slight advantage and when herb came over he thumbed up so he was good

Wholeheartedly agree... Curious of what you thought of this past weekend?? I think Herb is getting a hard time, for the simple reason Dan Hardy has a microphone and a wide opportunity to voice his opinion. Herb's explanation is enough for me. Totally valid stoppage and not as late as is being talked about

James McG yeah man I agreed with the stoppage last week. Herbert went down with his hands in a relatively intelligent defensive posture , so I can see why Herb gave him a chance. So I agreed wholeheartedly with herbs decision. I don’t really get the outrage over the decision ! at best maybe some can say the stoppage was a tad late , but that’s all. I seen nothing egregious about the stoppage. I agreed with herb dean all the way

really? i didn't know that. the guy never mentioned that before

@@lou5368 Pass it along, mate!

i don't believe you. will have to google

@@richedwards4590 he has a gold medal too wow! He should wear this medal in press conference and weigh ins..

Thats a really good idea, surprised it isn't already a thing.

Rhada manthus PRIDE did it, not sure why it never carried over it’s actually interesting as hell to see their perspective

Rhada manthus I think maybe because refs dive in to stop fights a lot, so it might hit a fighter on the way in. But that’s just a guess, I don’t really know. Cool idea though

Idk I think we might just be questioning the ref then.. and really the referees know so much being there and educated that it's a perspective that a camera doesn't do justice... See hear touch taste smell 'feel'.

You wouldn't be getting the refs eye view tho. Body cams for cops is different because your trying to get a live recording for an event that isnt recorded, but for a referee the field of view is of utmost importance. Simple experiment, put your hand up and block the view of something, now dont move your hand but move your head down to your chests former position. Body cams arent reliable.

Dont be ignorant. He for sure wasnt out COLD.... foh

Dean Veni I’ve trained & have been choked out cold many times. You’d be surprised how many people can get right up as if nothing happened afterwards. Doesn’t mean they didn’t go “unconscious”

I dont think he was out cold yet, but it was coming, ben wasnt letting go. Good stoppage in my opinion.

If he was out cold why didn’t his knees go dead and stood up as soon as askren let go

@@OleMisss That is 100% not what happens when you get choked out.

hallelujah a sane ufc fan

Nah that stoppage was shit that was a high-school headlock not a bulldog choke.

@@stevetheripper7675 how?

bikibaws pathetically casual. Robbie gave a thumbs up, he remembered giving a thumbs up. He gave a thumbs up

Your God possibly true. But even if it is, or isn’t, was he going to get out of It? I doubt it and I DO like Lawler better than dad bod Ben.