Markets are so different (said that many times). I have had EV9 GT Line for 2 months now. Absolutely fine with the built-in navigation and trip planning. We have a lot of 350 kW chargers in Finland. The only minor downside during extreme cold weather is when the time car needs to precondition the battery. The maximum power used for preconditioning on EV9 (the one I saw myself) was 6.5 kWh. That might be too low for an almost 100 kWh battery pack in subzero temperatures. Things EV9 owners must remember: 1) The car needs at least 40 minutes to get the battery pack to the optimal temperature in a subzero environment. 2) The best charging ranges from 10% to 65% (fastest). 3) 55% of the battery would allow you to go 200-250 km or 125-155 miles (depending on conditions, like rain, wind, etc.). That is 2-3 hours of driving. If you are someone like me who wants to stop every 3 hours, that would be absolutely fine. In Finland, EV9 top spec with all features = 90000 EUR (97500 USD current rate). Tesla Model X (non-plaid), 7 seater with basic Autopilot = 116000 EUR (125.500 USD current rate). We are talking about a 28.000 USD difference between the two. Tesla Model X is over 25% more expensive in Finland (also smaller and older). That makes buyers easier to choose 😁 Thanks, Out of Spec Reviews, for your job and great videos!

Mom EV nerd in the couple over here! Thanks for acknowledging we exist. People are always asking my husband for EV advice and he has to redirect them to me.

Hello. Ev9 GT owner here. I agree with prettty much entire review except for one point. I’m 40 and drove ICE cars all my life, my transition to this EV was pretty much like any other car. So I disagree with your point about Teslas being “easier” and “don’t have to think about it”. In my opinion, transitioning to car without a start button, without a drivers display (all center screen), without any tactile buttons and having to do everything on the screen. That’s way more stressful and more difficult for people that are used to driving non teslas. I would hate it to mess with the center for everything. So I disagree with what u said about you won’t recommend it to new EV drivers because it’s a bigger learning curve and because the Navi doesn’t take u to the right charger on your long trips. In my opinion, this is a natural transition. Way Easier than it would be to transition to a Tesla. I bought it because it’s a great car that happened to be an EV. But otherwise, great review. The stupid orange light I couldn’t find out what it was for until I watched your previous review on the ev9. What a stupid light, eh?😅

Took delivery of my EV9 about a week ago, and after having three other EV’s in the last year and a half, this one is superior in technology, comfort, and lives up to the SUV class, unlike others that call their vehicle an SUV. Thanks for helping me better understand some of the vehicles features.

I was able to charge my EV9 two days ago at a tesla magic dock supercharger just fine. Issue has been fixed at least for myself.

I did a 4400 Km trip last week across Europe in a EV9, first edition like they call it in my market, seven seats, all full with kids. I loved it. I had a EV6 before so I was comparing. What I liked: the precondition information is clearer now; the comfort, the drive is solid. What I need to check better: The GPS took me to back roads unexpectedly, even when the rapid path was selected. It happened more than once for places I'm was sure were not the best. I had to explicitly select highways. What I expected: With my EV6 I got 239KW charges. But the charging curve was not a straight line. With EV9, the maximum I got was 209 KW, however the charging curve was very stable and constant. The battery is huge, so it works, but I expected more.

Kyle should call reviews like this 'The good, the bad and the ugly."

I love mine. Just got it a few days ago, traded my EV6 in for it. And I learned something new. I had the EV6 for 2 years and never knew what that light on the dash meant. I just assumed it meant it was getting an update. And I agree about the UI, it definitely needs some work. But like you said, a lot of it can be fixed OTA, and I suspect as they get more feedback they'll make some changes.

So I left my car in utility mode for my dog sake and I was able to lock it. It’s not convenient but if you sit in the car and lock the doors, then you get out the drivers door and pull out the mechanical key out of the key fob you can manually lock the driver door. I really hope they address this so the fob can lock the car but this is definitely a workaround. This is my dog mode for our IONIQ 5.👍🏼 These software settings are for the most part, set and forget. Let me offer an example. When have you gone in and turned on a beep. 😁🎯 That said I agree the navigation isn’t the best and should let you arrive at what ever percentage you want to. I still use it to precondition but if that isn’t needed it’s screen mirroring of your favorite nav app. I hope the manual precondition comes to all Hyundai/Kia’s so you can do this without the connection service or while using those app nav’s. Fort Collins Kia has quite the offer. 💯 49:18

I'm seeing Dublin Kia in Bay Area, CA selling $2k under MSRP now. I don't think I've seen the EV9 marked up

32:30 this is so well explained! Totally agree!

Great review. Thanks for the info 👍

stellar microphones reducing the heavy wind noise!

Thank you for this report! What a great station. I just drove from Shelton, WA to Southern California on the Tesla network. The Pasadena station had two chargers down that I tried. I found one down in Sutherlin, OR. Tesla is not perfect by any means but pretty darn good!

If you live in places with lots of tunnels, then that auto change to internal circulation is very convenient. Not everyone lives out in rural America, where you have such wide open spaces with little traffic or tunnels.

I really wish my ioniq 5 had the software/computer of the ev9. Sick of going to the dealer for updates

One thing you missed about digging through settings is the search button on the top left. It works REALLY well.

Regular listener. Thank you for the reviews and great breakdown on the EV-9. I'm one for maximizing efficiency so I still gravitate toward Model Y/Aptera. I appreciate the point made about the plastic wrap on the EV-9 when it's delivered. Along those lines, what are your thoughts on wrapping cars? My understanding is that these wraps only last for 5-7 years and then all the plastic is pulled off and.... thrown away? Also seems concerning from the sustainability perspective. You guys noticed an indicator light for the main battery charging the 12V. The location of the light looks like it would be visible when the hood is up and a technician may be working on the 12V. If I were a tech working on the electrical system I'd appreciate having an easy reference, in the indicator light, for whether the main battery was sending power to the 12V. Just a possibility.

you definitely are the gold standard in EV reviews

Will the small battery version fare any differently at V3 superchargers, or will it be the same as its big-battery brethren?

The VTG will support 220/ 240volt, the VTL adapter you have is just a 15amp 120VAC. Maybe aftermarket might fill this need?

Nice video as usual. Could we get a family to review this car since that is the attended audience on this one? I could see some issues for families that haven't been talked about

33:26 So will this ever be able to charge at over 90kw at v3 superchargers, even after the dedicated adapter or nacs plug? Or will this always be an issue due to the architecture? This may be a deal breaker in my region.

If you set DC maximum charging percentage( 80%, 90%,), It will be applied the route planer. So, It is a customize. Do not confuse. It is DC maximum charging percentage. It is not DC maximum charging rate.

love your Channel and how you educate people about electric vehicles but one thing I never see is there's not enough handicap parking for people like me in the wheelchair that can charge Vehicles without hitting the car that's next to us either with our chair or doors we need to get more handicap space so we can charge our cars independently

@OutofSpecReviews Good Review. 16:52 The Kia Telluride and the Hyundai Palisade both have heated and ventilated 2nd row available since they launched

What is the MAX power this take on Tesla SuperCharger? I am planning to trade in my MY as the WIND trim came in but still on the fence if this cripple like their Ev6

Hey Kyle where is the 0-100% charge recording?

I saw literature that this car with the right bidrectional charge can do vehicle to home charging. No videos talk about it though. Can this car do V2H?

Crazy weather today!

How come the EV9 is not pitted against the Rivian R1S as much? Aren’t they the more direct competition in the 3-row e-suv space in terms of size and looks more than the Tesla X?

31:15 is there any way to check if i got the OTA update?

Great video. One thing after watching 10+ EV9 review videos is NO ONE is showing the Land AWD middle row bench seat. Everyone is reviewing the GT or premium with bucket seats for the second row. They are nice but in Canada to get bucket seats its a TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR upgrade for premiums or FOURTEEN THOUSAND bucks for GT upgrade. We are looking at the Land AWD with no package as a result for the 5000lb towing we need for short distances. Once you drop the AWD its 2000lbs towing. I would have liked to see the middle bench seat in a video. Thanks guys!

Can it get an OTA update to be able to use the cameras as a Tesla-like security system?

Great job with your reviews

Kia are bullet proof almost 100K KM on my Canadian 2020 Soul EV limited (about 60K KM of road tripping), only issue was the cheap 12volt battery, replaced with with good AGM never looked back!

I would love to see the higher trim with the larger towing capacity towing a holiday trailer.. I would like to know if I just need to divide the range by 2 or if it is much worse with all that drag.

How is the road noise at 70mph?

Love you channel and your content, but I wish I could sit down with you and show you how the Hyundai KIA navigation works. It absolutely populates the charger and will add and remove them in real time if your efficiency changes. It will show you your SOC on arrival and it will tell you how long you need to charge. If you come to Seattle look me up, or if you contact me through you tube I’ll tell you where to see how it works.

excellent tag team review. pleasant banter. covered essential details anyone *needs* to know to decide which big@55 EV to buy. you gave kia tremendous feedback to improve their EV

How do I get heated seat to come on when I remote start right now I have to turn it on.

Thats great news about the EV9 phone key--- because of the KIA/hyundai 12v battery challenges--- will the phone key drain the 12V battery even more? Ive watched other reviewers choose to turn off the phone key to reduce drain of the 12v. Also the fingerprint sensor. Or is this something that is now an non-issue since the EV9 now has an EAGM battery? Thanks!

Wish higher trims had 7 seats. Would have bought it instantly.

The Nissan Leaf also indicates when the main battery is charging the 12-volt battery.

Just out of curiosity....how much are some of the premium services? Park Assist, Boost, Lighting Patterns.

literally took delivery of mine today

Anyone know about driver seat/side view mirror memory function? Kia's site says that's only available in Land/GT trims, which seems crazy for what's considered a family car.

Charging question: if the voltage of the "big battery" ev9 sits closer to 400v, does that mean it will charge better on the supercharger network(when available) than a comparable ev6, Ioniq 5, etc. If I am remembering my physics correctly, higher voltage requires higher Amps which is why the 800v systems don't charge as well on Supercharger.

I would be a fan of manual battery pre-conditioning for my EV6. The Kia navigation software is still missing so many charging sites. I end up wasting tons of time trying to find a site I know EXISTS but cannot find on the app. Until Kia reliably lists fast charging locations, I would love the ability to manually start battery pre-conditioning 20 or 30 minutes from where I know I will find a fast charger. I drive to Québec in the winter and cold batteries are the worst when it comes to cahrging. It's my choice to take the power penalty or not if I misjudge how long it takes to warm up the battery.

Who uses built in nav on ANY car when there’s up-to-date-to-today Apple or Android maps?

One explenation for the low voltage is that to get room for the capacity they had to choose larger cells that gave better power density. And if the cells in percent is larger than the difference in cell package there is room for less cells. And therfor less cells in serial and lower voltage. I belive this is one of the cons against 800 volt since it limits which cells to use. (if we belive larger is better)

We honestly LOVE our ev9 with two exceptions. You guys touched on it, but the door handles are SO annoying!! Especially when then family is getting in and out of the car often, the logic of only one handle popping out sometimes is frustrating. Secondly, and this is more a minor annoyance, but the transition to cruise control is choppy and uncomfortable. You have to fully let off the pedal before cruise control engages and the lag between letting off and it actually capturing the speed causes a small but annoying jolt in acceleration. Otherwise it's honestly a great family hauler for us.

hopefully you will get your hands on a 2024 id4 (Chattanooga) for review. Waiting for our delivery here in Canada

I’m also a CarPlay lover/hater. I love that my EV6 only has wired CarPlay. Wireless on my last car was infuriating.

lol new drinking game at the end of the video :)

At around 3:02, Kyle mentions that the EV9 is the largest 3-row electric SUV on the market. Does that include the Rivian R1S? 🤔

Not having plug and charge at EA is not a huge deal because it never works anyway. As for the supercharger issue, I will bet there will be a software update to fix the issue, along with making the navigation better.

2:40 isn't the buffer to keep you from fully draining the battery, which actually lessens its lifespan?

Why is this lane centering without cruise such a thing for these guys? My 2018 CRV does this. Two Toyota rentals in the last year did this… Is this not normal?

Obviously you can use Google maps or Way's navigation instead of the native NAV for route planning. But you never mention if you can get a EV charging route planning from an external NAV product through and Apple or Android connection. It would be nice if you could. Can you address this sometime and if this hasn't been integrated into a phone based NAV system why hasn't it?

I drove the EV9 the other day, and for me the cockpit functions are super important. Unfortunately the irritating Touchnetix smart surface buttons ( home, map, search, media etc.) on the dashboard controls was a dealbreaker for me. I mean, that´s where your fingers are and those hit and miss pushes was a big no. Anyone else experienced this?Or was it only this particular car that had problems?

What’s wrong with a start button?

You mentioned the 12V battery and the ICCU problems - I purchased my EV9 a couple of weeks ago and feel like those issues are looming in the future. Maybe you could do a video explaining the problems, if they have been fixed, or when they might be?

I suggest shortening your videos. You could truly stand to edit out a lot of repeated talking points and the unnecessary rambling. Not all videos need to be so long. I think Out of Spec has hung their hats and pride upon long form videos. Alas, many of them are lengthy for no good reason. Please make your points within 15 mins.

Honestly can’t believe Kia/Hyundai are still putting out vehicles with 12v / ICCU issues. If their OTA update is the same on the EV9 as the Ioniq/EV6 fix then it doesn’t necessarily fix the problem either.

Wait, does this really have air susp in the US? Here in Sweden there is no such thing.

Do the cameras also record like a Tesla?

Kia's spec sheet says it's 552 volt for the big battery and 632 volt for the small battery. They never mention that it's 800 volt.

For the value, this is hands down the best for the buck 3rd row SUV. Not even close. The lane centering and cruise control on highway from Kia/hyundai is amazing

Possible dealbreaker. Midway through the video we were about ready to buy one - until you said that it won't work on the Tesla Superchargers!!! Is that the final word on that? Any chance of fixing that problem with a software update? Did Kia respond to this problem??

41:18 - There's a workaround that folks have figured out to have Utility Mode serve more like a Dog Mode with locked doors. It works on the Ioniq 5, so I'd assume it works here. And I'll preface this: it's not great! I wish they had a real Dog Mode. But, when you are leaving the car in Utility Mode, roll down your window and exit the car. Stick your hand in the open window and lock it. Hit the window up button to close the window. Now, your car is in Utility Mode and locked! To unlock the car, you need to either use the physical key from inside the fob or the Bluetooth connection from your phone. Again, none of this is ideal. Hyundai/Kia/Gensis SHOULD have a Dog Mode. But this method works ok.

Totally agree the "relaxation" seats are a useless gimmick. Wish they didn't have the leg rests.

lmao love the ooo okay..... Just park ot yourself!! 😂😂😂

No more channels, I try to search for some of your content and have to search through too many places.

Love your reviews. I test drove an ev9 2 months ago. It is still on the lot and hasn't been sold. Issues I have with the ev9: 1. No 2nd row bench seat in the two lowest trims. Why own something this big that can only fit six. 2. No heat pump in the two lowest trims. 3. Turning radius. Get used to doing k turns. 4. Resale value. It will loose 60% with just 30,000 miles on it. And if new battery tech comes out, it will loose even more. I wonder if the Hyundai Ioniq 7 will be more efficient because it has a more aerodynamic shape?

Supposedly, ordering a Euro V2L gives you 240v. I have the NA one at 120v but would love a 240v one. I just never saw a confirmation it actually works to order a second V2L.

Why did he say it was stupid to have a start button on an EV in 2024?

Noooo! Don't take away my start button!

Our EV6 GT-Line WD and Hyundai Tucson Limited PHEV has heated rear seats.

With the steering wheel blocking visibility of the driver display screen, that's one thing I dislike about the Tesla Model S and X if the round wheel is installed. I guess if you can put up with the yoke, then that screen is not blocked but I haven't tried a yoke car so meh! The Model Y and 3 have much more visibility of the single screen in the center. I do wish Tesla would add rotation of the screen, even just manual. I can grab the edge and yank it around before driving especially if I'm by myself in the car.

Midwest and East Coast are seeing up to $4,000 off MSRP, plus incentives. Don't pay more than you have to - these are not in high demand outside of the West coast.

40:40. No, sadly there is no other AC plug other than in the rear of the vehicle. Even on the GT-Line trim. Crazy exclusion. If you want to power a laptop from the front passenger seat, you'd need an extension cord.

Fun fact 42:28 , we don’t have the orange light knob on the dash in Europe. So maybe it’s a US regulatory thing? (It’s for safety. But strange that no other EV has it then…)

As an owner now, I agree the software is the weak link. The Infotainment UI is very poor. As noted it's feature rich on paper, but just poorly executed. The user profile settings can't tie to either the key fob or the digital keys, so the car doesn't recognize you and you have to wait for very slow loading screens to change and confirm your profile on the screen. And the Media screens are comically bad. Like most newer cars, you can save all your preferred channels across SiriusXM and FM, etc. to Favorites to just browse your go-to channels. But unlike every other car, the EV9 forgets to return to Favorites mode every time you turn on the car. So if you're last channel listened to when you turned off the car happened to be an XM channel, it will start-up in the every channel XM mode instead of favorites and it takes several screen taps to switch it back to Favorites at start-up. And forget wanting to know the name of the song or band you're listening too unless you want to drill three screens down and then have it scroll across a tiny corner of the screen furtherest from the driver while the majority of the screen is literally unused. Whoever designed this UI almost had to go out of their way to make bad choices -- like they had a contest to see who could make the worst user interactions and went with them.

to add to you 'dislike' portion of the conversation, and as an OWNER of an EV9 AND a '22 Ford LIGHTNING, I don't see KIA's reasoning for how hard and confusing it is to LOCK or UNLOCK the car when it is ON... there are MANY times, with an EV especially, when you WANT to leave the car ON, for climate, a pet, people staying in the car while you go into a store, etc., but to LOCK the car when you leave it ON is almost IMPOSSIBLE!!! Crazy. I want to be able to keep the car ON, and walk away knowing that everything is secure. KIA makes this impossible. Let's just 'hope' they can provide a software upgrade/change to allow this. I can only hope. I leave my LIGHTNING on ALL THE TIME when running short errands and things. I have NO NEED to turn the truck OFF just to be able to lock it. I lock it regardless. It matters not. It doesn't care. I like that. Otherwise, though, this is an AMAZING MACHINE - 500miles in a single day on Thursday Feb 29th, our 'extra' day of the year, and not a single issue. The LaneCentering and AdaptiveCruise with stop-n-go is absolutely WONDERFUL, especially when you can leave the CRUISE set at 60mph, and yet be in the MIDDLE of downtown ATLANTA's traffic nightmare at 6pm RUSH HOUR - the car does ALL the work! Wow. I like, too, that LaneCentering stays ON even when not in cruise mode....nice. I'll admit, too, that ONE PEDAL, when you need it, just by using the Left PADDLE, is TERRIFIC, and using the Right paddle to disable it, otherwise. To be able to also use the paddles to 'change' the REGENERATION 'at will' is a great BENEFIT, especially over the LIGHTNING's 'mode' choices, which doesn't allow for any 'customization' of the REGEN, especially not ON THE FLY. We love BOTH, and both have their own special reasons.... !

Why are door handles from traditional automakers different if the car is ev vs ice?

14:00 couldn’t agree more. CarPlay is just annoying, I have my phone on a mount 6 inches from the screen I want to see the cars display on the infotainment screen.

Like the EV6 there is a work around so you can have it in utility mode and lock the doors and go. So you can leave a dog in etc. plus in europe the V2L is 230volt up to 3.5kw power. Must be different in the States. Love your review but I do think a little bit of nit picking that with a bit of looking on forums and you will find many easy work arounds. Same with Teslas and others unless you know then you don’t know. 🤷🏻‍♂️. You will also find a lot of the beeps is due to EU legislation that require this. However in the US it isn’t required and I guess KIA have just decided to stick with one type of setting.

Im more interested in the mics they're using than the car. 😅 thats amazing noise canceling.

Cool!

No pet mode and not being able to lock it while in utility mode is a deal breaker for me. I hope they change this with an OTA update in the future because everything else about the ev9 is perfect for me.

@34:07 in terms if Tesla naively supporting high-voltage vehicles this is literally what v4 is. Its not something they need to do because they already are working on it.

It takes a few video to appreciate a EV other than a Tesla . KiA Electric Telluride /EV9 I would not mind recommending to a family

I love it. Just want a dog mode. At least get the ability to turn off the internal alarm sensors nearer the top of the menu or assignable to a button

Do you think this is a good car to car camp in?

as for the NAV - well, I don't use it in either the LIGHTNING or the EV9, I just find them way more ANNOYING to manage than just using my GoogleMaps on my phone. I'll use the truck's APP to find charging stops, if I don't already know all of them anyway, regardless of whether I'm driving the Ford or the Kia. I even use my Ford Pass App to ACTIVATE stations for the Kia, since Kia decided NOT to provide any 'integrated' collection of charging Activation and Payment method thru their own app, like Ford does, which I LOVE! (I do, though, APPRECIATE the 1,000kwh of FREE ElectrifyAmerica charging from KIA - you just have to load that 'discount' PLAN into your EA account/app to be able to activate stations to use your 'free' amounts - that will take SOME TIME to use all of!)

Do we know if next year when this vehicle has the built in NACS receptacle that the slow super charging is fixed?? --- This is such a perfect car but if it can't charge at 250kw ... it's useless. Total dealbreaker.

Love to see the Land AWD with Premium pack I think being one to love most options that would be nice one to review and here in Canada is a deal, Tesla is still over priced (CAD$109,900 and no Fed or Provincial rebates) while Kia Hyundai are nominally higher (Land Premium is $74000.00CAD) before taxes and -$5K FED Rebate and -$4K Provincial Rebate go figure?

All Nissan EV's have the indicator for 12V charging from High Volt Battery...

You guys called this a mom car, then crapped on the giant cup holders…moms all have Stanley’s. 🤣