Neither. Daemon with all his faults should be heir. Imo Rhaynera and Daemon should of married and had children. Disgusting but targaryan af

As typical with these stories, everyone is both wrong and right.

Corlyis!!!!

the important thing imo is that the show is making a way better case for Alicent than the book did

They're both in the wrong. I'm not picking any side.. I know what both sides are capable of and I'm just interested in seeing how everyone defends their "team"...

While it was nice of Daemon to not be prioritizing the mother over the child, I thought it was a bit hardcore for the mom to allow the baby to fry with her. She might know she's gone for sure, but the baby could be saved. Daemon, I assume, isnt that big on kids anyway, and wouldnt have stood in ehr way

@@DeathsquadDemongods she thought they were both done and decided to leave her own way. Can you blame her?

Daemon married Laena over politics and to get away from Rhaenrya and his brother. The show makes it clear and Daemon was miserable without his Targ family. Asking if the mother will survive would be a way out. That's just Daemon. And, Raenys was suspicious about Laena's death. Daemon did not show any emotion but shock and admiration. The death of Viserys and his child with Rhaenrya brought him to his knees. Daemon had a fleet of ships, 2 childten to use as heirs, and dragons. That is what he wanted from that union. All to help..Rhaenyra.

Me neither.

he's literally falling apart 😂

He lost 2 hands this episode 😉

Dont worry, Neither did Alt Shift X lol! someone pointed it out in the livestream, and he was like: Oh he iiiissss missing an arm!

ME NEITHER 😅

nah it’s gotta be her genes making them weird, rhaenrya and her sons are normal. same w daemons daughters

@@clemenIemon has nothing to do with their genes, they mostly have quirky personalities and Aemond being obsessed with being a dragon rider while seeing his nephews and brother have dragons is not strange at all

@@clemenIemon how much hatred you incest loving Daemyra shippers are holding for fictional complex characters, lol? A child is weird because of their mothers gene?🤦

@@clemenIemon Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin...

@@justt1984 I just realized I was rewatching an old video I was like there's no way this man just described a drunken rapist as a quirky dude, but I get it hadnt happened yet lmao

Yeah :(

Rhaenyra's kids are just eyeing to play with Aemond. I hope they get the chance to

@@rkiwtir1146 I see what you did there :)

Aegon's interactions with his nephew were so sweet. I love the part where Jace looks at Aegon first before telling Vermax dracarys.

Hard to tell. Aegon seems like a typical first royal spoiled child. Not sure if he likes his nephews or just likes that he is older and can manipulate them. The teasing of his own brother is pretty normal for siblings but definitely bad parenting for Alicent to say he can bully Aemond at home. The message should be no bullying obviously. It's interesting Rhaeneras kids know of the rumors about them and flat out ask their mom about it.

Yeah at this rate without it they’ll start giving birth to half dragon hybrids. Wait…

🤣When your family tree slowly becomes a stick you have to act...

Viserys did too lol

@@merrittanimation7721 Laena was supposed to have one of those

@@thamayor6324 Viserys' wife was Aemma Arryn she was a cousin her mother was Daela Targareyen

Agreed. As someone who has not read the books, i appreciate it. Plus, the show deviates from the books somewhat

I mean he did spoil that Helaena's prophecy will come true. Sure he censored what she said, but anyone who remembers what she said would have gotten spoiled.

@@JoJoJet100 It's in one of the trailers also

I smile anytime I see one of those "winks"

As a non-reader it kind of stands out when he does this

I'd be pissed if they changed the names

Glory to Grover, lord of the riverlands and protector of Sesame St.

Oh, we're going to see most if not all of them. I'm sure they'll keep all the same names, and maybe even drop a cheeky easter egg in somewhere. :)

Holding out hope for a Ser Snufflelupagus Tully

I'll be upset if there's no Kermit Tully

Now a murderer kingsguard AND a devious kinslaying psychopath. She's on a role picking and choosing her allies.

Yup, hypocrisy at its finest. It's a huge theme. The standard of honor she imposes on others becomes suspiciously lenient when applied to herself or anyone that furthers her personal interest. She is corrupt already and it will only get worse. On the flip side, Rhanerya has been quite foolish. It would've been prudent to have at least 1 legitimate child, even if she had to go full Margarey Tyrell and bring in help to get her husband going. Really curious where this goes

​@@onTimeAlways404 I believe both are shit anyway, Rhanerya is getting pass cuz of good acting cuz her job would be to gain people's favour as women cannot be "head of the state" instead of that affair. I believe Alicient is more "moral" in medieval times.

And wants her rapist son to ascend the throne, has a disgusting session of grossness with Larys and never punishes larys for killing his own family. Alicent doesn't think Rhaenyra would be fit to rule but her son, who rapes any woman who's not giving him consent would be fit to rule. Sure, there's not been Aegon the rapist.

@@thehumanity0 "devious kinslaying psychopath" that can be said for almost every Targaryen who shows up in the show 💀💀

Man just wants everyone to get along and indulge in his hobbies, but reality keeps getting in the way

@BanquetOfTheLeviathan lmao micromachines

I love that they made Helaena into just as much of a nerd as her dad. They both just want to indulge in their nerdy hobbies.

I think its really telling that a few episodes ago Viserys mentioned that he's not even the one making the minatures himself, he just tells the stonemasons what to make for him. He really needs help to do everything, even his hobbies.

@@Sajirah I really want to see the relationship between Viserys and Helaena. He dotes on Rhaenyra and calls her "my girl", and I want to see if he and Helaena have a similar bond

Shows that the dragons have nothing against eachother. It's the riders.

Spoilers The Battle Over the God’s is gonna be painful in the best way possible

Back when Aemon and Baelon were alive, they danced back then as well. 🙇🏻‍♂️

😭💔

What the fuck is this comment

@jeon vlya what

@jeon vlya are you smoking crack

In the history tome, they said Leana, delirious from dying to child birth, went out to ride Vhagar one last time cause she wanted to die as a dragon rider but then fell off her dragon. Idk, I think this might've been a better way for her to go, but obviously wouldn't have been so dramatic. Suicide of herself and the baby makes her seem a bit selfish. Not saying it's a bad change at all cause it was very interesting to see Vhagar's reaction, but I think the alternative route might've been a better overall for her character arc.

Yeah i think it's been established that Dragons are near if not equal in intellect as humans. So it would be like a queen asker her royal knight to kill her. I love how they are giving the dragons individual perosnalities. The dragons in GoT were largely interchangable save that Drogon was the one rode by Danerys.

@@thehumanity0 I disagree on it being selfish. Better not to suffer. She was going to die anyway, and I kinda see it like almost an assisted suicide for those that are terminally ill. The babe probably wouldn't have survived without her, and because they opted out of the c-section the child would've suffocated in the birth canal and it would've killed them both anyway. Hosting a dead babeh in you without being able to purge it is a poison.

@@thehumanity0 she fell on her dragon? Isn't it more like her falling on the stairs and daemon Carries her back to bed and she dies besides Rhaenyra and Daemon

@@lgt_jne Alt Shift X had said in another video she falls off her dragon. Idk maybe I'm remembering wrong and she was just on her way to try to ride her dragon before she died

Yep Larys little favor is gonna come back and haunt her one day

I think she is still a little naive but I def believe her when she expressed shock at the method. Also, while Larys does have dirt on Alicent kind of, she is still the queen, still a member of house hightower and I think could dispatch of larys(or attempt to) if she ever saw him as a threat

@@mattm7798 was thinking about this. If she was smart she would have turned him in immediately and still gotten what she wanted.

I think she would have no problem with Garwin etc. being executed after an official judgement - but this kind of underhanded backstabbing, that's too "dirty" for her. In this mediaeval culture that values honor and courage, execution and assassination are not the same - despite having the same end result.

@@Dell88music True, if she was scared enough but right now, she needs all the allies she can get and Larys has shown to be able to get things done. Larys also doesn't profess any outward ambition for himself, so is not an immediate threat to her. The show seems to be building up a moment were Alicent will try to distance herself from Larys.

Martin leaves it vague in the books. The fire is a mystery. All this with Larys is a show plot.

I'm intrigued by Larys motivation. It seemed that his Father and Brother didn't mistreat him despite his physical condition, so his willingness to murk them shocked me. Alicent certainly showed her naivety, but I think eventually Larys will influence her much in the way that Littlefinger did Sansa. Moving from naive and smart to shrewd and calculative, except Sansa never went off the deep end, and I think Alicent will

@@msanjelica I think he has influenced show's writing, no?

@@KingsandGenerals I honestly don't know. He's said he's not writing, but I don't know how involved he actually is.

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I could see her slipping into a pattern of using Larys to dispose of obstacles from now on. She has definitely become much less Sansa-like in the 10 years since the last episode.

Yeah, Alicent says to Larys she 'didn't want anyone to die', but every action and step she takes is towards being more adversarial, destructive, and straight up playing at & pushing towards war. She's knowingly petty and spiteful, but equally foolish and ignorant to not think her actions wouldn't lead to death and chaos.

@@mattm7798 Watch her make use of an up and coming Lord Commander of the Kingsguard

@@mattm7798 I can see that She orders the killings but downplays it since it’s not her doing the killings herself

To be fair though, Rhaenyra is the one siring illegitimate heirs left and right and destabilising her already shaky claim to the throne. I can understand why Alicent is furious when she offers to marry her firstborn to her true born daughter who under the new president would be third in line. On the other hand I also understand Viserys does want to pretend that everything is as it should be not wanting to destroy his family over it. "You may know what is the right thing to be done but love stays the hand.”

I’m sure he’ll be a very nice chap with two eyes

Everything gonna be fine! Right?

He should go on a trip with his uncle. Maybe somewhere mystical, like the gods eye lake?

@@bhunt372 Kid really should listen more to his sister.

Haha right, definitely no foreshadowing for him to basically be Daemon 2.0, always feeling insecure and needing to prove himself.

Right, each dragon really has its own personality and look.

Haha, if true, that would be interesting. It's like "well, ive got good news and bad news. Good news is it's another boy...bad news...guess who he looks like"

@CameraOnDoug no. He doesn’t. He has brown hair too

@CameraOnDoug that’s a little sleep cap, love. Not silver hair 😅

Vhagar to Caraxes: kid.. le'me teach you how to make a badass entrance..

Agreed craxes was my favorite dragon until vhagar showed up i like how they actualy made her look so ancient totaly diffrent from all the others

Bravo to HBO. They show their quality. Vhagar looked old, and yet regal, powerful. Such great design

At this point, it would essentially be starting a war with Corlys and Rhaenys, so yeah, he def doesn't want that. Still, all this is on Rhanerya. She should have done the deed, with her husband, popped out a couple of his kids, and everything would be fine. The fact she keeps having kids with her lover shows she does have alot of hubris, like no one is going to notice.

I don't even see how it matters too much in the short term since Rhaenyra is the next heir, not her child. She's clearly not going to crown her child the moment he comes of age, so it seems like a problem for another day, that is, if it wasn't for Alicent conniving in any way possible to take away Rhaenyra's claim.

@@thehumanity0 If you don’t see the relevance and how “it matters” your either Not paying attention, willfully ignorant or slow witted! It’s literally a ticking time b o m b set to go off. Im telling you her dad is covering her and ppl at court aren’t fools while he’s there she’s got a safeguard.But the MOMENT he’s gone it’s a rap! Mark my words!

@@thehumanity0 Rhaenyra's heirs potentially being illegitimate does make a huge difference. Also, it's the fact that Rhaenrya is committing treason by having her affair and birthing bastards instead of legitimate heirs (fair or unfair, that's how her actions would be viewed). So that part does affect the standing of Rhaenrya's own claim.

@@jayclearmen411 Wow. I'm happy to debate the series with you, but calling people slow witted over discussion about theory is really something. Also, maybe don't spoil the plot, which it sounds like what you might be doing. The heir doesn't necessarily have to be a son, even though that's the most accepted instance. Jaehaerys's succession took place over 50 years into his rule and went to his grandchildren. If Rhaenyra's children are outed as bastards, she has several options. Her husband Laenor could simply deny the allegations, she could decide to have a legitimate child with Laenor and name that child the heir, or after the King dies and she succeeds the throne, she could simply use her power to legitimize the children as true born Targaryons just as Roose Bolton did for Ramsey Snow. What matters most is that they have the Targaryon blood and they're dragon riders, dragons are power in this world and usually override politics. The heir after Rhaenyra is still being perceived outside the Red Keep as Rhaenyra and Laenor's child, so the secret is likely fine until the King dies, in which case THEN you will have discussion over the legitimacy of the next succession, ie why I said it was more or less a problem for another day. More importantly, the more current issue is if the realm will accept a woman as a ruler. It's true Rhaenyra's childrens' parentage could be used against her to de-legitimize her more, but it is only a smaller portion of a larger problem even if she can't find a solution to her kids being bastards. The realm wanting a son over a daughter as the heir is the far more immediate issue.

Yeah I missed it but this video brought up that the show all but directly says that Viserys knows the truth, but if he outs Rhaenerya, he basically goes to war with Corlys.

Yeah being fascinated with incest isn’t really something needs to bring up in regards to Targaryens. Not being into incest is what’s unusual

Thanks so much! Next big ASOIAF video will be about Jon Snow -- and his adventures beyond the Wall..

@@AltShiftX I can't wait..

@@AltShiftX fuckyea

Such a big expert yet he can't even count! There were 4 deaths by fire, not three. How could he forget about a GOAT??

@@fakefolkblues valar dohaeris

Alt Shift X is a prince

duration?

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@@Ra-Hul-K Max 3 mins but only if you include the undressing part.

Waldorf: "The greatest of the Tullys" sounds like being damned with faint praise. Statler: Who's the greatest Riverlander then? Waldorf: Gregor Clegane. Sure he's not from the Riverlands, but he did those people a favour. Statler: And what is that? Waldorf: Spared them from living through the final season. Both: Dohohohohoho!

Same here, started watching in college when Game of Thrones was huge and hear I am years later, enjoying these videos in a brand new prequel show. Crazy how time flies, I remember those GOT Sunday nights and reading reddit discussion threads but waiting most patiently for the Alt Shift X video to drop. What a ride we're in for, glad you're still here with us!

Or more like Bloodraven and Bittersteel, where if they're acknowledged as bastards but legitimized, they're still descended from the monarch and thus in line for the throne

I smile and giggle to myself every time the Mushroom image pops up lol

@@ratbox_ same lol 😂

She just wants all the perks, none of the responsibility or guilt.

One thing - she didn't actually ask to see Rhaenyra after the birth, I think? She just wanted to see the baby just to check if it was Laenor's. Rhaenyra decided to walk up there herself.

@@arielvanmoos7583 I mean who asks to see a just born baby

Ikr? I thought they were going to change things around from the book so the black Velaryons would make sense but it's all basically the same as the book with no explanation for why her kids are the whitest kids ever. It's so fuckin stupid. XD

What do you mean by acting like they were actually Laenor’s kids? I don't think they were partying and engaging in buggery.

Same could be said for Daemon and Leanas kids. They’re darker than she is 🤔 Except these are actually supposed to actually be his kids 🤦🏻‍♂️

Ikr 😂 At least in the books you could say "oh maybe they got that black hair from their grandma" But here... Everyone is legally blind I guess

@@lordsemen489 Yeah and even Viserys is like "Muh White Horse had brown babies so this is also chill". That being said though I think Viserys knows its not really Laenor's kids but his love for his late wife is whats causing this willful blindness towards his daughter and everyone else is too scared to say something out loud for fear of losing their tongues.

I like that this channel isn’t directly tied to HBO Max. I think it adds a barrier for Alt Shift X to critique the show without bias. I think he did something like what you’re talking about with The Expanse though.

Same lol

You buggin

😂 Great theory Quinn. Who knows, maybe the pins are made from weirwood...

@@ShubertReads Nah they're clearly metal

It did feel very odd for him to basically give the secret assassin's his badge. What if one of them were caught. Could just be a plot hole or could come up in the future. Larys has quickly become one of my favorite characters in the series. A mixture of Littlefinger and Jaime.

:O you got to make the pun!

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Ver curious how they position her character. She seems to take after her grandmother, being more tomboyish.

I think that she doesn’t understand her predictions, it seems to be a bunch of informations in her head that she just says but doesn’t really interpret that much

@@mattm7798her grandma is Aemma tho?

lol let’s go pat

Harwin was holding back, his intention wasn't to kill Criston while Criston in the other hand was trying to kill joffery

The Joffrey scene is such a contrived mess. If you're gonna keep watching it's probably best to try to forget about it.

Or at least have her tell her Rhaena the story when she’s sad her egg won’t hatch

I think the show would have benefited from one more episode between this and the last, and that would be one of many great things to cover there.

That’s what I didn’t get about her showing up in this episode. She’s the oldest dragon alive in the world, she helped conquer Westeros. Surely their should have been some explanation of how and why she just turned up?

I think Emma maintains the hard headedness Milly put into the character but left behind the constant princess whining about no one listening to her. This Rhanera seems much more ready for the likely upcoming war.

@@mattm7798 She still has no fire in her. No charisma with Daemon.

@@olorin4317 ?

And some even have a bit of "family" resemblance, the best example being Rhaenyra with Aemma - at first when I saw "the older" Rhaenyra, I thought for a moment that it's the same actress. And both young and older Alicent look really similar too. Amazing job. Though I have to note that Baela and Rhaena are not all too similar both among themselves and to their parents :D

I agree the casting is very good but GoT is among the best of any series I've ever seen. I'll watch a clip of the first seasons and forgot it was so so good.

Don't be rediculous, GoT had some of the best casting ever in TV.

I think he is Criston's son too! She didn't drink the moon tea and the kid has much straighter hair than the second one (like Criston has straighter hair than Harwin)... I would like so much to see Criston learn the truth and trying to get atonement for betraying Rhaenyra so easily and so much! We' ll see 😁

I hate that idea tbh

@@odetteathina4811 oh my sweet summer child.

@@odetteathina4811 I doubt that’s happening and it’s never said that she didn’t drink it

Nah, Aemond wasn’t even born yet when Cole and Rhaenyra had sex, and Jace is younger than Aemond. It’s physically impossible for him to be Cole’s, which is likely why Cole is extra salty because he knew he was replaced by Harwin when Jace was born lol.

At least one person on staff has to have suggested that, even as a joke

same here

Yes , a well constructed effort from alt shift x

maybe when she was younger she was curious and excited about sex but now that we know she's miserable during sex with viserys she isn't so fond of those tapestries

Hmm, She took them down, probably, because Aegon's was masturbating non-stop in front of the tapestries. Hah! Alicent is being shown to be responsible for all of her children's vices.

They are essentially Targaryon bragging that they are part dragon, and Alicent doesnt seem to want blatant sexuality in the castle.

@@mattm7798 exactly! Alicent is definitely being depicted as vengefully repressed. In the ASOIAF books, it is mentioned that Littlefinger gained possession of the castle tapestries. I thought it was about evidence of paternity or some other scheme… now with HotD, it seems it was to class up his brothel rooms with Targaryen artifacts.

@Alsonallu you got all that. From her just having blank tapestry ? Stop reading so hard into shit💀

Maybe because he is a bad dad