Why did they use watercolor on an oil painting for restoration?

The print is such an amateur attempt, as you can see where he just copied and pasted the same blotch four times in the bottom left corner, and he completely removed the original shadow at the bottom left side.

How is it possible to purchase several of the originals? Surely with the cost of restoration only £1,000 is too low a price?

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Gesso Deonia??? 25:12

@Tuxlion. Not only that, but the painting was probably worth nothing in his day!

Now it is probably worth millions!

@@user-sj5in7fu1q You must live in sheer ignorance all your life on every subject.

It would be nice to imagine that someone would make such an effort to restore one of my paintings one day, rather than it landing up in a skip, as I rather suspect would happen.

Deus merdus

Washi Kozo!

Staples are inferior to tacks.

Where is the hot table?

Ohh we're here🤔

Here - although it feels like I'm being unfaithful watching this channel.

Agreed

In a throwaway world where nothing is sacred, it’s lovely to see someone treating an object with such respect and polite care.

@williamlawrence9875. What do you think of Dr. Frankenstein's work? Did he inspire you?

Cómo puede cubrirse una pintura con tantos residuos?Tiene y debe limpiarse cuidadosamente.La pintura se ve sucia y encubierta por con productos químicos.Si,la conservamos,pero ,tenemos y debemos limpiar.

That's actually really neat. I never really thought of the similarities between art restoration and surgery. There's a lot, now that I think about it. Surgeons are just people restorers, and painting restorers are just painting surgeons

Ya, I take the same approach with interior painting so that the next painter will have a perfect base and surface to build upon

This! Any skilled field has multiple techniques that are used. I see so many critical comments. All because she didn’t do it the exact way they think is right.

I feel like, oftentimes with old things, whether it's Art or furniture or buildings, they built them with such high quality because they wanted it to last long. It was expensive and people usually didn't buy a new chair every 5 years. Or a New painting for every season to fit the vibe. So yes, I do believe most people did think what they created would be there for a long time. At least when creating something to sell. If it was something they did just for themselves, maybe not so much.

masking tape!!

same here it constantly peaks my curiosity on how long the painter thinks there painting will last but if I had a way I'd give anything to watch the original painter create there masterpieces one by one. now that's a once in a lifetime experience I'd give everything to witness

@@theoasis9633 one of my favourite things to do when it’s miserable outside is to get on a bus ot tram and look at the architecture 😀 and like we both said above, think about the people behind it, the true experts of their craft. The paint splatter on a canvas to me has no skill, this is real talent & art

@@lilacscentedfushias1852 exactly

Luckily, patience is one of the qualities that's easier to improve upon.

It's hard to be patient when there are too many distractions. If no one is in your space, you don't have to worry about anything and have all the time in the world It's not that hard to be patient.

​@@alla9916 patience is a virtue won from within. Outside circumstances will always test your patience. Those are the perfect times to practice patience-- when outside circumstances & people test you.

@@bodyofhope hardships make people patient according to the Bible is all I know. I don't think I can just train myself to be more patient. I don't know if the same rules apply to food preparation.

Yeah ive watched others and the way they insult others who ever touched the painting is awful. If nothing else they stabilized the holes so it could, ahem, make its way into your capable hands without further damage.

Most of the things utilized im the video were available back then💀 and even then they dont mention how old the other restoration Attempts were

Many “restorations” leave art in a worse state then they started in.

@@blakeryan7894 Perhaps it's a pity that the restoration is only done on "great" works and not on poor ones, so that they are improved by being "damaged" and therefore more appreciated haha!

Yes, it's fair.

They don't think it's by Flegel (or even Fliegel as he pronounces it), though, do they? Didn't they say 'by a follower of Flegel'?

17th century is the 1600s so this is in its 400th year EDIT: I was politely corrected that this IS the 18th century aka 1700s and 300 years. Post surgery meds were strong 💪🏽 💊 😂

​@@johnleake5657Yes

@@GrannySweets This is an 18th Centenary painting, according to the description.

@@Agentcoolguy1 Goodness me, my post surgery meds were stronger than I thought, thank you! 😅

@femineity. It also brings the value right down, as it becomes less and less original.

​@redblade8160 Removing the poorly done previous repairs didn't make piece less original.

​@cindyknudson2715 it makes the piece less original if you do less original repairs. If the original reparation was uniquely terrible, it's less original now. Original doesn't mean good.

The problem isn't really there... The real problem is they almost just do the internet now. People must spend more time for sport, art, visit friends, go to the movies, learning something new (new language), etc. They should be active another way.

This video is much better than the infamous horse toy "restauration" still existing on this channel. Good job !

Nah, it's the people complaining about them that's most insufferable.

@@philipyates3194nah it’s the people complaining about the people complaining about the people complaining.

LMAO!

Same

They were certainly in no rush to give information.

I looked those up, a smoke sponge is normally used to get soot and smoke debris off of stuff and a museum vacuum cleaner is a special type of vacuum favored by conservationists because it has a dial that allows you to precisely control the level suction in it!

@@thefrenchiestfry5442 THANK YOU!!!

If only there was a search engine website.

Looks like the grands had fun with a bow and arrow in the house by the shape of the holes!

The previous repair could have been done 70 years ago. They did a great job with less technology to repair as today. In 70 years from now they will be saying the same about this repair.

i mean i see the lack of quality in this attempt ... you can fully see the patch in the finished painting ... there is no way you should be able to see that.

Baumgartner Restoration

This is not just a 2 hrs process lol you can see the one working on it change clothes a couple of times for sure this restoration takes a month with 3-4 hrs work everydy

@@zxcv97 I didn't mean the process is only two hours, I meant that I could watch two hours of the process, no voice, no time lapse,... Just 2 hours of the process

My favorite sound is the cutting of the sponge. Very satisfying.

@mariealba4158. Someone like you would enjoy watching paint dry on the walls as well.

I have 2 RL friends who do art restoration, and they both tell me that professionals in that field all hate Baumgartner videos because of their "neglectful and damaging techniques", but apparently Baumgartner sues the pants off of anyone who makes a critique video, so the Internet just believes he's the ultimate authority.

@@brendanrhys In every field where different techniques have proven themselves, there is a certain revilality among their users. I don't know about the sueing part, but Baumgartner also has videos where he restores a painting a second time and removes his previous restorations - and his techniques seems to me somewhat effective.

the way you can see *exactly* where the damage is in the final is OUCH

@@brendanrhys id love to know what the "neglectful and damaging techniques" are, bc from what i understand and see, he takes extreme care to make sure the painting is preserved as well as possible, and anything he does can be undone

Where is the hot table, the painting is not flat

I think some people forget that Julian built much of his equipment himself, so much of what he does is unique. There's more than one way to accomplish a goal.

I too love watching Julian work and I cringed when she stapled the painting to the new stretcher, with the keys already installed. I could hear him talking about how much he hates staples.

@@timber168 I love too watching Julian's patient work, and although I think he is a true professional inheriting the craft from his father, but the "tackling or stapling" to the stretcher debate is entirely subjective, he's subjective POV. You either way ad shock to the painting when stretched, and by stapling (my subjective POV) might be superior by the mere fact that you somewhat better preserve the linen, with smaller punctures in the fabric, also the punctures being farther from the actual artwork, even if it is newly sized. As a painter myself of some years of experience I prefer stapled canvases (cotton or linen) to tackled ones, for the stapled ones are fastened at the back rather than the sides. Although the linen patching in this restoration is on a whole different level.

As an artist in another medium @ICWELD says, it’s not how to do it, it’s how I do it.!

I use audiobooks spoken in a language I don't know to help me fall asleep. And I download the content to my device rather than stream it, so it is not interrupted with loud, obnoxious ads.

Most likely so it can retain it’s age

​@@VualDaZartterrible. The artist's vision wasn't restored. And they act like restoring it digitally makes up for it. I don't understand how they got the rights to do it because they'd need to have the owner's agreement. They didn't restore it

@@lounirs That’s a fair stance, it’s really a toss up, some people like retaining it’s age, others would love to see it back in it’s true original state Unfortunately, the artist’s take on what should happen to their work is completely unknowable, and it’s up to whatever museum owns the piece

​@@lounirsthe artist is long dead. Conservation is about preserving and stabilizing pieces in their current state. Restoration would attempt to return it to original. The goal for this painting was conservation, the digital retouch was a non-altering way to restore the piece.

That's because this is conservation, *not* restoration. The digital retouch is the restoration.

He? I thought 🤔 she is she...!

@@Namashkar_RamRam the narrator

Omg right!! 😂😂 who knew painting restorations was bringing the shade like this ☕️

@@kristyfield9789 right they dont play around in the paint restoration community 😭 shit gets serious

Right, wait another 100 or 200 years, they'll be like "I can't believe they touched it instead of using a molecular restabilizing field, those idiots" lol

Usually the varnish has been taken off and reapplied many times as it's an organic material, that never really hardens, so dust gradually embeds in it and it also gradually yellows over time.

It's always water colour or goache or reversible restauration colour. Nothing else had to use.

but you can still see the patch in the finished painting, you shouldn't be able to see it

He would make a video FULL OF COMMENTARY but it'll be primarily throwing shade comparing what he does to what "SOME restorers" do that he would consider inferior

You can still see where it has been patched.

You don't need that. Baumgartner and many other restorers do it. But in most cases it's unnecessary.

oh shut up already. just because you watched one guy on youtube doesn’t make you a expert 🙄

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they didn't do it on this piece?

probably customer's request. Sometimes the owners of the paintings want it to stay old.

Yep I'm confused too 🙄

I think it's a "museum piece" meaning that it was a museum restorer who did the job and not a proper restorationist... a proper restorer despises staples and makes an attempt to make it easier for other restorers to make needed repairs in the future

Out of budget. Also, it was cleaned and restored before, no need to go aggressive even if varnish has slightly deteriorated. As for staples, they are not touching original painting, only added fabric

ok

I thought that hahahah!

For real. People are so sure they know something about this topic, like is everyone here a professional? Does everyone here know what the customer wanted? I really don't think so. People just wanna feel like they know stuff I guess.

@@Olivethefey So true. A touch of Dunning-Kruger shows up.

@@bobd5119 absolutely. It's absurd how true the dunning-kruger effect is, especially on the internet.

Bold of you to assume you would not just find your newest hyper focus. 😊

@qwinlyn Depends if I enjoy the task, if it computers I can focus for hours As for painting restoration...let's just say, you don't want me fixing your million dollar painting

@bicivelo. Probably more than the painting is worth, and even less after that botched job.