How Damage Falloff is Calculated
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День томуExploring the implementation of damage falloff in Overwatch, how Tracer's damage falloff was broken during season 1, and some miscellaneous observations about this system.
These techniques are not unique to Overwatch, so you can apply these concepts to most other games. Furthermore, these functions are typically not hand-written and are instead abstracted away in math libraries, e.g. Mathf.Lerp() in Unity.
CORRECTION: My comment at 7:54 is not true, since Orisa did not have damage falloff in Overwatch 1. (thanks Juan Ayala)
TIMESTAMPS:
• 0:00 Introduction
• 1:00 Step 1: Distance
• 3:12 Step 2: Normalization
• 4:29 Step 3: Linear Interpolation
• 6:47 Tracer's Broken Falloff
• 7:23 Interesting Gamer Observations™
REFERENCES:
• Camera Height of Every Overwatch Hero - • Camera Height of Every...
• Overwatch Wiki - overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Ove...
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• Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
ME:
• Twitch - / marblr
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@shooshiwhooshi8736 Рік тому
This felt like a math class but I loved every second of it
@whamham6117 Рік тому
Are you implying you don’t like math class? -your math teacher in 8th grade
@billrules110 Рік тому
Applied mathematics
@meowcow21 Рік тому
It's more programming since the math is really simple
@pantuternik Рік тому
This is what they should do in math class, yes
@mfn1311 Рік тому
@@meowcow21 true
@juanayala863 Рік тому
Orisa used to not have fall off either. It was only added if OW 2
@Marblr Рік тому
oh damn. not sure how I missed this. thanks, added to the description.
@MoiraPrime Рік тому
@@Marblr In OW1 the real killer for Orisa's weapon was her spread along with the dumb pattern of her projectiles. Made it hard to hit far off targets even though it didn't have falloff.
@josewolf9884 Рік тому
she was the go-to hero when you wanted to shut down turrets and brig
@kasm7870 Рік тому
*Technically* Reinhardt’s Firestrike also has no falloff, but I’m not sure we’re counting that
@tommyIT Рік тому
@@kasm7870 his normal weapon doesn't have falloff too xD
@realchiknuggets Рік тому
"Baptiste is the only support with a hitscan weapon" - immediately shows Ana
@ArchSchizo Рік тому
Ana's noscope is a projectile, though. I assume he meant Bap was the only support with range falloff.
@realchiknuggets Рік тому
@@ArchSchizo yeah, I just thought the irony was funny
@floopdawooop3633 Рік тому
Marblr could post a 10 hour video just reading the source code and I’d still watch it
@Static-EN- Рік тому
a great voice can sell a video on its own
@joshp3446 Рік тому
@Marblr, You heard 'em, start reading
@GoatZilla 8 місяців тому
i feel like you could have made a 1 minute video by just saying it was a step function, but then realized your audience is gamers.
@ClaraBennett Рік тому
8:52 I have been wondering how they animated Sojourn’s backwards slide to have her legs go behind her without breaking her back. Kinda hard to see exactly in-game, but now I know!
@RochRich. Рік тому
Pause on the frames when she's about to hit the deck
@snewp_e2139 Рік тому
I mean, she IS pretty robotic.
@aguyontheinternet8436 Рік тому
@@snewp_e2139 And, as rochrich showed, made out of rubber
@thinix396 Рік тому
They could’ve just had her lower torso twist backwards 180 degrees since she’s mostly cybernetic
@rever4217 2 місяці тому
@@RochRich.Bro, that's elastigirl shit right there.
@Newslnside Рік тому
The great thing about Marblr is that in addition to being a great dev with experience from what you can see, he still leaves the bubble of most devs and knows how to explain very clearly each point he is going to explain, without ''internal'' jargon of developer and knows how to communicate with the end user :D by the way, I would love to see an explanation of how the game itself makes it easier for cheaters to appear and how they could mitigate this if the commands were not on the client side and hardware protection
@DatAhsan Рік тому
He's a dev?! Of what game(s)!?
@0osk Рік тому
@@DatAhsan He's a dev for Marble It Up and used to be the producer for TF2.
@MarvelousButter Рік тому
@@0osk titanfall 2 of team fortress 2?
@0osk Рік тому
@@MarvelousButter OG TF2. I love titanfall but Team Fortress 2 is TF2.
@nicholasahrens2756 Рік тому
His simplicity should not to be confused with a lack of understanding, he dumbs it down for us
@Wintercat1 Рік тому
The most surprising part about this video was not just learning that Widowmaker's sniper rifle has falloff, but that S1 Sojourn's minimum railgun damage was _almost twice as high_ as Widow's minimum sniper damage. What the heck were they thinking when they made Sojourn?
@Imitationist Рік тому
Let's nerf gengu since soj is so op! #blizzardlogic
@hierarchyofmood1220 Рік тому
So this proof that soljuorn is broken
@Trevelyan04 9 місяців тому
They were thinking ‘how can we move more of these s1 battle passes?’
@jonahkey9313 Рік тому
I’ve noticed something since overwatch 2 actually. For projectile heroes specifically, they don’t shoot from their cameras anymore like they used to, they shoot from their weapon within a very close range and, which then centers to their crosshair shortly after. It’s hard to describe, but it’s especially obvious with Torbjörn’s primary fire, since it has a trail. It shoots from the barrel of his rivet gun and will hit any objects in its path, then once it gets to the center of your screen it goes straight, basically making a turn midair. Just something i thought was interesting.
@bluefake_or_smt Рік тому
I can imagine that this is solely the visuals that behave this way. In most games, people shoot from the cameras center, but the shooting trail gets rendered from the weapons barrel towards the point they aim at. This is why if the weapon is behind an object like a wall, you can see how the trail goes through the object. They probably implemented that projectiles visuals quickly go towards where the projectiles hitbox is for visual clarity for enemys who might want to dodge the projectile Edit: Rephrase to make it clearer
@iheizeus Рік тому
8:10 "Baptiste is the only support with damage falloff since he's the only one with a hitscan weapon" *Immediately cuts to the other support with a hitscan weapon USING her hitscan weapon* I love these videos lmao
@huntedperson3147 Рік тому
The funny thing is that Ana most probably does have falloff as well, it's just that her impact damage is 0, but she applies a burn status effect for 70 damage over .6s
@Overqualification Рік тому
Ana does not have hitscan at all. In fact the bullet is quite slow. Edit: I’m half right. It’s hitscan when zoomed in, projectile when not.
@Overqualification Рік тому
@@huntedperson3147 She doesn’t have falloff since like you said, it just applies a burn effect. It does have a heavy bullet drop though so you shouldn’t be doing it from far.
@justaguy1304 Рік тому
The projectile doesn’t do any damage though, so I don’t think it really matters
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the editing here looks really neat, keep it up dude!
@RamsteinBus Рік тому
There is something so satisfying about learning information like this. I have like no use for it, but its cool. I love your videos
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Ikr!
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You’re to Overwatch 2 what shounic is to Team Fortress 2. I don’t even play, but the way you explain the inner workings of different mechanics is utterly captivating. Keep it up!
@Sir-J-Raposo Рік тому
Hey, Marblr, have you made a video about Armor changes? The one that the damage reduction decreases as the amount of armor decreases
@Marblr Рік тому
no, but that is a good idea! demonstrating the change visually would be great.
@Bence3 Рік тому
awesome idea dude
@Harevald Рік тому
@@Marblr Also please check out stacking effects. I know that Ramattra block stacks with armor but I don't know how much
@dubby_ow Рік тому
@@Harevald his block is a flat 75% dmg reduction, i believe it stays at 75% no matter if you have armor or nano applied, because normally dmg reduction is capped at 50%, there was a bug with doomfist, that lowered his block to 50% if he got nano, because of this rule, but its fixed now
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Bro you breakdown these concepts so well. You make everything so digestible.
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The presentation on your videos is always phenomenal.
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And now tracer is 5.5 dmg
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These videos are so strangely addictive, then again I love learning about weird number calculations, thanks for the vids
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As always, fantastic breakdown. Super interesting stuff.
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@Oddiffyart 3 місяці тому
7:43 “Tank heroes, on the other hand, do have projectile range falloff” Well that aged well
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I LOVE these deep dives into mechanics
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Love your videos, also, shoutouts to the Kirby 64 music, it fits so well !
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Great video. Helpful for my game development
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This video has greatly helped me understand game making technics, even though I havent started making 3d games (or any where close to doing so), This has greatly opened my mind to how a lot of technics work and I have since made my own damage fall off system on a 2d scale. Thank you! 🙏
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Incredibly professional video. I enjoyed it a lot!
@cheddartaco Рік тому
the way it calculates the percentage of the minimum and maximum damage to deal is really clever, hats off to whoever came up with it
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Thank you for this explaination .
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Amazing video as always. I love the kirby 64 music so much.
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thanks for this, great video
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Marblr is the Overwatch equivalent to Tf2's Shounic. (Or Shounic is Tf2 equivalent to Ow's Marblr, however you want to look at it.) Both make real nice thumbnails, both have this relaxed voice when talking, both overanalyse certain game features and bugs (and why they happen) and every once in a while making fun video.
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If all my programming classes were explained that well, I would've actually loved coding
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Godlike editing
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Math but in a language I as an American can understand: firearms
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please never stop making these kind of videos.
@princesscadance197 Рік тому
Ah yes, these are totally calculations I can quickly run in my head before each shot.
@vornamenachname554 Рік тому
good video. one thing im missing is a list of every heroes max/min damage plus the range values like u showed with cassidy. also anas scoped in weapon is hitscan.
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Great video! As always! I have a suggestion: how "headshots" are calculated for non-standards powers? Like, a few days ago, a Reinhardt "headshot me" with Earthstrike o.O
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Amazing content as always. If I may suggest a subject for the next video is: how does the new competitive rank system works, it's still a mystery as we can't track our SR anymore, I think not even the Blizzard devs know how it works..
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my favorite video in my subscribed feed
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easily the most interesting overwatch youtuber
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i love this guy these videos are so informative and expertly designed i even understand the tech stuff because of the way it's explained
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I’m glad you posted this because i headshot a pharah with widow to 16 hp was so confused
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the ways these videos are structured remind me of shounic which i love
@MangoMarco Рік тому
what a surprise, the damage is calculated exactly how you think it would what a great video
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Conclusion. Nerf Sojourn.
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You're like AsumSaus for overwatch. That is a high compliment .
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Just sourced this video for one of my final papers, thank you for all you do Marblr
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You are such an important part of this game. I wish you were more well supported blizzard or others !
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I love seeing the natural UKpostsr progression in which you slowly start to put more and more of your personality into your fact based videos. Very awesome ❤
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Heres 2 ideas id like to see in a video! How does Mai's attack work? Is it a line trace with a particle thats all for show, or is it like Pyro in TF2 where the particles are supposed to be the hitboxes? How does the spawn room collisions work? Like the door has a texture displaying where the door is, but if thats separate to a box collider in spawn, it feels always perfectly aligned. Which would be hard to do since door frames poke out alot in OW and theres no map to my knowledge where you can get the healing properties by smothering a spawn wall on the outside.
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Love these thecnical ow vids reminds me of shounic
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This chanel is awesome
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wow. someone's good at explaining things
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Always great videos! How do you produce it ?
@gidkid100 Рік тому
A small critique on the script for this video. When speaking about the normalized distance between targets you were explaining it correctly, but what was happening on screen actually lined up to be opposite of what you were saying when you were saying it. This could confuse some people and it would be better to switch it or double check the timing when talking about something similar in the future. Super informative though. 👍🏼
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thats actualy quiet interesting
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This really made me sit back and wonder why I was watching this. It's as if this was something I was going to be tested on.
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Overwatch 2 has so many bugs that Marblr will have content forever.
@trigotauro3631 Рік тому
You should do a video talking again about assists but in ow2, does doom now gets assists more often? How does kiriko’s cleanse affects the assist timers, does junkerqueen, rammattra, sojourn or kiriko get any special interactions? And now that orisas supercharger is gone, what heroes no longer have the assist privilege? It would be really intresting
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I love a good Clamped Remap function
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These graphics are incredible and help me visualize everything so well
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this is basically shounic but overwatch and i love it
@Chmmr Рік тому
Can you cover the bug in the newest patch where kills in the killfeed to objects often switch to the wrong team color? It's something pretty consistent I've seen, especially with dva's mech and bap's lamp, killing them will put the kill in the killfeed as normal, and then a few frames later the object's team color will change to that of the killer, and it's very weird
@schniemand Рік тому
My first thought was that Tracer's normalized falloff value was probably rounded to an integer by mistake So it would suddenly go from max damage to min damage
@power0ngames449 Рік тому
that subtle roast of landing a shot being the hardest part
@thegang- Рік тому
Now he hit the griddy too... Can't believe it
@Chmmr Рік тому
fun fact, mei icicles used to have damage falloff, being the only non-tank projectile with falloff also i had no idea tanks had falloff on their projectiles, it seemed like design-wise that was the balance tradeoff for hitscan vs projectiles. hitscan have no travel time so its easy to hit far away but to balance it they do less damage, projectiles are harder to hit at range so they do more
@HPsawus Рік тому
“Baptiste is the only one with a hitscan weapon” >immediately shows ana scoped shots 😂😂
@khaledahmed9136 Рік тому
Top tier math class, I love knowing how the game works even if I can't apply that
@HopelessIdeology 8 днів тому
Getting a random 1 shot with a road hog right click was pretty powerful before the falloff nerf. It still did randomly 1 shot someone but much less for me.
@fancen Рік тому
thanks
@ABucket Рік тому
This made me wonder, if a player shoots a projectile that has damage falloff and then teleports far away before it makes contact, is the distance used in the calculation the player's distance at time of shooting or at time of calculation?
@Guarrow Рік тому
Awesome video as always. I didn't get all the math right away but I might watch again another time, are you into maths in general or did you just got into this stuff because of the video ? Great choice of osts for the background too. I always have a thing for Nintendo games osts in UKposts videos. I don't know why but to me they just have something that some other background musics don't have ... Maybe because they aren't specifically made for UKposts, yet they work great. Or probably because I just recognize them. Anyway, very interesting stuff, I'll share it as always, hope you're doing good
@SeisoYabai Рік тому
That calculation is rather ingeniously designed. It might be "easier" to do something like 21 +(max damage * 1/distance) or solely like that, but youd probably need an if statement so it only takes place after the intended minimum distance. This formula saves a couple lines of code by smushing it all into one equation. Pretty cool!
@bluefake_or_smt Рік тому
Many Math libarys already have Linear Interpolation (in short Lerp) implemented as an method/function. It saves time and makes the code more readable to just write it with Lerp. Also, divisions tend to run slower than other arithmetic operations on your CPU. But this is just a small microoptimization that wont impact the game that much Edit: He even stated what I said in the description: "These techniques are not unique to Overwatch, so you can apply these concepts to most other games. Furthermore, these functions are typically not hand-written and are instead abstracted away in math libraries, e.g. Mathf.Lerp() in Unity."
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