How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? Public lecture by Quentin Skinner

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University of York

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Professor Quentin Skinner delivered a public lecture at the University of York, on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the composition of Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince.
Professor Skinner is the Barber Beaumont Professor of the Humanities at Queen Mary, University of London.

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@kit888
@kit888 2 роки тому
00:01 Introduction to Machiavelli 03:25 The Prince Practical advice about statecraft, to new princes 05:25 Virtu Indispensable set of qualities to succeed Principle task of understanding The Prince is to understand Virtu 1. Power to offset Fortuna (luck) 2. Power to get lucky (Fortuna is not providence), ability to seize opportunities 3. Enables you to maintain your state, standing, as a ruler 4. Maintain the jurisdictions and institutions of the state 15:50 Hiero of Syracuse 16:40 Avoid being hated and despised Ok to be feared 18:15 Getting power Many ways Only one way to maintain power - Virtu 19:05 Goal should be glory Do great things 21:30 Other books on advice to princes Justice is essential Cicero - faith, keep your word Seneca - liberality/generosity, clemency (going beyond being just) Three princely virtues - justice, generosity, clemency 26:50 Chapter 15 Machiavelli disagrees, departs massively from conventional advice Follow the three princely virtues only as long as they help you maintain your state (consequentialism) Princely judgement (Virtu) is judging when that is right 32:00 Chapter 18 How far should you keep your promises? Keep your word only if it helps you maintain your state This is confirmed by experience e.g. Pope Alexander VI So that people don't care, be brilliant at dissembling, like a fox 35:05 Summary Be good if possible, be evil when necessary That's a virtuous prince But this is a crude analysis 36:10 However, that is only true for justice Not for liberality or clemency - How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? If they ruin you, how can they be virtuous? 38:10 Thucydides Corcya civil war The first casualty is moral language Evil acts excused as virtues, good actions denigrated 41:00 Aristotle, Art of Rhetoric Manipulate moral language to excuse vices (rhetoric) Quintilian - paradiastole (re-describing vices by using neighboring virtues) Interpretation #2 Thucydides - the rhetorical trick is *pointing out* the re-description of vices as virtues Rutilius Lupus, Rhetorical ad Herennium 47:00 Chapter 16 Concerning Liberality What passes for the virtue of liberality (generosity) is the vice of extravagance Liberality can cause you to raise taxes ==> hatred ==> lose state Therefore being miserly is not a vice 48:00 Chapter 17 Concerning Cruelty and Clemency What passes for the virtue of clemency is the vice of over indulgence Scipio was lax 50:25 Louis XII Parsimonious, therefore could fight wars without raising taxes, therefore generous 51:10 Cesare Borgia Cruel at the outset, but brought peace and prosperity, therefore merciful 51:45 Summary Political virtue - will it help you maintain your state? Justice - often needs to be avoided True liberality always works True clemency always works
@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968
@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968 2 роки тому
This is brilliant … thanks for the generosity
@abrahamdecruz5128
@abrahamdecruz5128 Рік тому
@@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968 wonderful summary. You understood the book well and its applicability. Gracias.
@DryNox
@DryNox 4 роки тому
12:30 ‘Moses cheated because God told him what to do, so that doesn’t really count’ I find this statement quite hilarious
@adtiamzon3663
@adtiamzon3663 Рік тому
Professor Skinner, I admire your interpretation of Machiavelli's writing. Excellent! 👏👏❤
@joslynaarons6885
@joslynaarons6885 5 місяців тому
Professor thank you for your magnificent interpretation of Machiavelli’s greatest work, Il Principe. Of all the multiple interpretations I have listened to, about 20, yours tops it all. Grazie mille Professore 🙏
@rishabhkumar4328
@rishabhkumar4328 4 роки тому
This is the finest commentary on Machiavelli I have seen or read.
@enasshehadeh1
@enasshehadeh1 2 роки тому
I’ll quote this to be the most true short describing sentence for the “prince “ book and among the many unjust and cruel explanations for machiavelli’s great mental faculties “The prince must be someone willing to do evil that good shall come of it “ Thank you for the good lecture .
@breezebugatti6942
@breezebugatti6942 8 років тому
Thank you kindly Sir!
@mykindgeeman
@mykindgeeman 10 років тому
Thoroughly absorbing- an amazing lecture and lecturer
@rafabetlejewski6722
@rafabetlejewski6722 4 роки тому
Wonderful lecture and fantasticly delivered
@pascaltremblay6752
@pascaltremblay6752 10 років тому
Great lecture!
@gustavonevescoelho5826
@gustavonevescoelho5826 3 роки тому
Excellent lecture! Thanks!
@imago9059
@imago9059 12 днів тому
Machiavelli was a genius when it came to uncovering and explaining the complexity of human behavior and how that applies especially in politics. People often forget to put him in the context of his time and have a broader picture of things. They would appreciate his writings more.
@Dancing77Kat
@Dancing77Kat 3 роки тому
Brilliant lecture. I especially loved you touching upon disguising vices and when is virtue a vice. Thank you.
@jamesbaseman7297
@jamesbaseman7297 8 років тому
Im a big Machiavelli fan and i would like to thank you for this most interesting lecture prof. Skinner
@coffeefrog
@coffeefrog 9 років тому
This is a captivating and rich lecture on another incredible mind! Thanks very much to Prof. Skinner!
@amitojha9
@amitojha9 2 роки тому
Thank you Professor! A lot.
@dirannerus8408
@dirannerus8408 9 років тому
The study of the Machiavellian thought or idea is a complex one and this lecture has done great justice introducing its literature. Thank you professor.
@maxrappricciardi8218
@maxrappricciardi8218 2 роки тому
Great lecture. 👏👏👏👏
@pauline6322
@pauline6322 5 років тому
Insightful lecture! Thank you so much for this! :)
@humbertogonzalezespinoza7806
@humbertogonzalezespinoza7806 2 роки тому
Notable clase del profesor Skinneer acerca de cómo se maneja realmente el poder desde siempre y hasta hoy y en el futuro......
@renatosassone-corsi1042
@renatosassone-corsi1042 5 місяців тому
Excellent, wonderful speaker..!
@Marjorie-yt7pb
@Marjorie-yt7pb 8 місяців тому
Great illuminating Lecture☺️👍
@nelsongonzalez4533
@nelsongonzalez4533 3 роки тому
Nice ☺️ and clear lecture 👍 on the Prince by Machiavelli.
@yassinjouihri1578
@yassinjouihri1578 4 роки тому
In italian, the word "stato" can mean also a state of something, for example a mental state or an emotional state.
@julesjgreig
@julesjgreig 3 роки тому
Best talk I’ve heard on Machiavelli, thank you very much.
@chiefprimo5827
@chiefprimo5827 5 років тому
Thanks for this youtube post
@SuperBennyboy12345
@SuperBennyboy12345 10 років тому
The first thoroughly enjoyable and absorbing lecture i have ever seen on the subject of Machiavelli
@eduardocarvalho1660
@eduardocarvalho1660 2 роки тому
Excellent lecture.
@RozenKnight1990
@RozenKnight1990 10 років тому
Wonderful lecture. Thank you
@swar3194
@swar3194 2 місяці тому
love from persia andfire the sound guy
@helenemasour9256
@helenemasour9256 3 роки тому
fantastic lecture
@EvieMatavelli
@EvieMatavelli 3 роки тому
The analysis of chapter XV should be its own a TED talk. As a descendant of the man, this is a great class.
@shakespearaamina9117
@shakespearaamina9117 7 років тому
one of the amazing professors to learn from! Thank you sir indeed
@calvinginya718
@calvinginya718 6 років тому
I play this every night b4 going to bed sad I wish I could find more like this
@ripred42
@ripred42 5 років тому
Here's some similar videos I have found ukposts.info/slow/PLY9znvXifSMwsjZXYLa_rRF5wtbw62YC6
@sunofsotep8265
@sunofsotep8265 2 роки тому
My gosh That was utterly brilliant! Piercingly insightful, and absolutely fascinating.
@oedrogonzalez7056
@oedrogonzalez7056 4 роки тому
Great video
@ahsanmohammed1
@ahsanmohammed1 2 роки тому
Thank you.
@husnibadi834
@husnibadi834 4 роки тому
Thank you
@onagoity
@onagoity 9 років тому
very good one
@michaelemorrison
@michaelemorrison 7 років тому
very good lecture.
@MichelMawon4982
@MichelMawon4982 3 роки тому
About 40 minutes in, I think he aptly describes a lot if what's going in today's society regarding the seizing of moral language to advance partisan ideals and redescribing vices as their closely related virtues.
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 3 роки тому
Woah, well said. Didn't expect from a black woman, no offence.
@revelations2044
@revelations2044 2 роки тому
@@Hsaelt what xDD
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 2 роки тому
@@revelations2044 what
@revelations2044
@revelations2044 2 роки тому
@@Hsaelt xDD
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 2 роки тому
@@revelations2044 why u mock me so 🥺🥺🥺
@nelsongonzalez4533
@nelsongonzalez4533 3 роки тому
A good leader should show leadership by force if necessary and by deeds instead of words, however, a charismatic leader with a strong character and personality could take him very far. Virtud means his attributes and his skills. Thank you very much.
@leonardodavid2842
@leonardodavid2842 2 роки тому
Just a note, by empeor Antoninus, Machiavelli means Caracalla. Today we distinguish between Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, and Caesar Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Pius Augustus (Caracalla), as Antoninus (because he was the first emperor with such a surname), Marcus Aurelius (cutting it short to avoid confusion) and Caracalla (a nickname), since he had stolen the name in order to associate himself to previous greater emeperors. This is the same thing we do today for Caligula. Ancient historians called him Divus Gaius to distinguish him, bur his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus (which however was also the name of many other prominant Roman figures including emperors). Bad emperors in general today are just called by nicknames. Great emeperors always keep their favorite name (usually… Augustus is agustus, despite the fact that all emperors were called Augustus). However during the renaissance Caracalla was still called by his prefered name (his fake surname) of Antoninus. The real antoninus was called Antoninus Pius. For example, the baths of Caracalla in the Noli map of Rome are called antoninian baths. As opposed to the baths of Caracalla as we call them today.
@jscott1622
@jscott1622 2 роки тому
That point about Clemency and Liberality was extremely interesting and something I missed in my reading of The Prince
@artemisios
@artemisios 6 років тому
Per par condicio lo dico in italiano. Il termine "virtù" aveva, ai tempi di Machiavelli, e anche adesso, il significato di "forza", in particolare, di una forza che agisce e crea delle conseguenze. In italiano parliamo tuttora di virtù di una legge, di un ragionamento, o di un farmaco.
@villiestephanov984
@villiestephanov984 5 років тому
..of particular Roman regiment.
@rakitipakiti
@rakitipakiti 7 років тому
What a fucking boss!! I loved this lecture!
@bryfromportal
@bryfromportal 10 років тому
This is exactly what Machiavelli would have wanted us to believe
@Mike-hu6ch
@Mike-hu6ch 10 років тому
So deep. Humans are ridiculous man.
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Рік тому
In reality, Machiavelli was the first anti-machiavellian
@user-kp3db1wu4w
@user-kp3db1wu4w 6 місяців тому
Machiavelli would not be remotely concerned with what we might believe.
@jalgaonmh1931
@jalgaonmh1931 Місяць тому
What do you means. .. what he want to believe..i don't understand that..?
@yassinjouihri1578
@yassinjouihri1578 4 роки тому
There are some mistakes in subtitles, one of them is when he uses latin words but are targeted as italian word
@AmNotHere911
@AmNotHere911 10 років тому
Correct me if I'm wrong but the professor's citation of Thucydides description of the perversion of moral language is uncanny in its similarities between Orwell's description of double think.
@taranmurray7046
@taranmurray7046 4 роки тому
I think you are on the right track here as well.
@triumphbobberbiker
@triumphbobberbiker Рік тому
Grandioso
@sofiahathaway8024
@sofiahathaway8024 3 роки тому
have anyone of you read the book 'Quest for Freedom. An Interview with Quentin Skinner'? I'd really recommend it.
@3dferr
@3dferr 10 років тому
a good explanation about the concept of virtù.
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Рік тому
Now we're asking the real questions
@ninirema4532
@ninirema4532 2 роки тому
super
@mauriciorodriguez3066
@mauriciorodriguez3066 10 років тому
cool
@Rico-Suave_
@Rico-Suave_ 7 місяців тому
Watched all of it 53:46
@PolarP_
@PolarP_ 13 днів тому
Where can I physically attend lectures like these?
@nomos6508
@nomos6508 4 роки тому
there is quentin tarantino... and quentin skinnner
@NeilFLiversidge
@NeilFLiversidge 3 роки тому
I can't find that justice quote attributed to Saki. Are you sure he said it?
@theocave7108
@theocave7108 3 роки тому
He's referring to Sacchi (humanist writer)
@emilioperez6435
@emilioperez6435 4 роки тому
I wonder how high machiavelli would of scored on Robert Hare's psychopathic test.
@hawk0485
@hawk0485 7 років тому
Consequentialism, when applied to the shortest period of time becomes opportunism and when applied to eternity becomes idealism. To what temporal horizon does Machiavelli bind his judgement of virtue?
@ofamily8180
@ofamily8180 5 років тому
Good question? 🤔
@fukpoeslaw3613
@fukpoeslaw3613 3 роки тому
max one lifespan ofcourse
@vlad3192
@vlad3192 2 роки тому
Nice interpretation of consequentialism (not really)
@hawk0485
@hawk0485 2 роки тому
@@vlad3192 I'm just playing with the idea, no need to be sarcastic and mean :)
@BossChronicles
@BossChronicles 8 років тому
What should i major in and what career should i pursue to be like him
@BossChronicles
@BossChronicles 8 років тому
+Sven Meier stfu
@marietoft1876
@marietoft1876 7 років тому
Philosophy and history of philosophy of course :-) unless you mean machiaveli in which case diplomat and writer who reads philosophy
@Soloohara
@Soloohara Рік тому
his italian accent was on point
@mohamedmansor61
@mohamedmansor61 10 років тому
Virtue
@Sunscreen1973
@Sunscreen1973 8 років тому
Increasingly topical. All we need now is reality.. oh hang on..
@darkrebel123
@darkrebel123 Рік тому
ugh I cant hear him. the volume is too low even with all my volume settings maxed out
@watchit387
@watchit387 3 роки тому
In these 50 minutes, I was taken 100 meters below my intellectual depth
@jekareloaded9343
@jekareloaded9343 2 роки тому
What's wrong with the sound
@APerez89
@APerez89 7 місяців тому
Lmao "severus" as his bame implies 🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂😂
@frederickmorris2216
@frederickmorris2216 5 місяців тому
He forgot one of his own rules as an adviser to power ...do not offer advice unless asked for it from the ruler..the reason being that a ruler must never see you as smarter or a threat to him/her..
@villiestephanov984
@villiestephanov984 5 років тому
The word is strongly rooted in Amalekite' s " overture ". Its literal meaning : " Be Instructed, O Jerusalem !" ( Prof. Chomsky would have said it , probably 100 times an hour that, that is which makes "the Prince of the selfish gin ")
@littlegreenguy4130
@littlegreenguy4130 4 роки тому
19:30
@spotify80
@spotify80 Рік тому
The Art of Politics?
@diegoibanez2962
@diegoibanez2962 Рік тому
After the watching the whole speech I liked the last part when talks about vices and virtue... i dont like their first part definition of virtue with their examples, also how described clemency, and justice
@Coyote_Trickster
@Coyote_Trickster 3 роки тому
14:32
@hanzketchup859
@hanzketchup859 Рік тому
Glory is greater than oneself , to be a glorious figure , according to Machiavelli was to restore Rome , how is that a personal credit ? Obviously no man is an island , Machiavelli was a masterful recruiter who valued the Republic , Glory is shared and lasting if the Republic is maintained .
@mellownuance
@mellownuance 4 роки тому
17:34, lets see if trump retains in the following term
@dengbona4406
@dengbona4406 3 роки тому
Lol, he didn’t
@legaliseuprebuggiun
@legaliseuprebuggiun 2 роки тому
A lightweight beginner by today standard
@klnine
@klnine 8 років тому
how can someone be so naive to say these issues doesn't hold now , because we are in a "Democracy " ....weird , ! Where has he been..oh yes academia !
@user-vs6eb2zw2s
@user-vs6eb2zw2s 3 роки тому
Machiavelli cleared the bush, Thomas Hobbs built the building.
@bryanfurigay7044
@bryanfurigay7044 2 роки тому
whos here because of BBM? lol
@IamVengeanceGaming94
@IamVengeanceGaming94 2 роки тому
would he consider duterte a machiavellian?
@IamVengeanceGaming94
@IamVengeanceGaming94 2 роки тому
by virtue, liberality and clemency.
@cliflottjr4435
@cliflottjr4435 7 років тому
I've only listened to 16 minutes of this lecture and have found much from this professor to disagree with. However, I'm all for Nicollo M. being a topic of discussion though...
@bangersinlondon2231
@bangersinlondon2231 6 років тому
You should go to a public lecture and ask a question...very easy to do. Bet you don't but...
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls 2 роки тому
@@bangersinlondon2231 In this day n age the tediousness of monotony of researching & referencing is no longer in the equation. Now you just ask Google n vola! You have the answer to your question(s)...
@jeannenicolas1723
@jeannenicolas1723 6 років тому
He wrote The Prince in order to preserve his life. He could have been afraid of The Mdecis.
@joeturc1
@joeturc1 3 роки тому
Fear is the most effective motivator 🤔puts his commentary in perspective
@ergbudster3333
@ergbudster3333 10 років тому
He says if Smith hadn't had a heart attack we would never have heard of Tony Blair. This he says is an example of fortuna at work. Hmm. For a Machiavelli scholar he isn't very Machiavellian, is he.
@Freezencrash
@Freezencrash 8 років тому
Luck?
@mewmannamwem6087
@mewmannamwem6087 4 роки тому
Fertuna
@papageno1849
@papageno1849 3 роки тому
Ok, both "Romagna" and "Romania" are nice countries... but not they aren't the same thing 😏
@saurabhchauhan100
@saurabhchauhan100 Рік тому
😏
@pingukutepro
@pingukutepro 3 роки тому
This awesome video makes me disgust the popular culture depiction of him.
@dushyantshukla8754
@dushyantshukla8754 6 років тому
Seneca bad luck that was .... hahaha
@bbok1616
@bbok1616 2 дні тому
Sleepy Joe is Scipio
@jensibowable
@jensibowable 7 років тому
Why does he have to say men are source material here, did feminists break in here as well?
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Рік тому
He is just appeasing the zeitgeist
@jarrodyuki7081
@jarrodyuki7081 2 роки тому
machiavelli and ayn rand >>>kant nietzche >>than fyodor or schopenhaeur.
@diegoibanez2962
@diegoibanez2962 Рік тому
Talks too much about concepts and thoughts, its far away from reality and living politics you extract anything... its just like schollars speech and Machiavelli its a practical guidebook from that time on how princes and rulers should behave and act to adquire Power or Mantain their thrones.
@vinozarazzi5633
@vinozarazzi5633 Рік тому
Nothing "successful" about Tony Blair - a hollow nothing in an empty suit.
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Рік тому
If Blair wasn't successful, in one sense or the other, we wouldn't be aware of his existence
@vinozarazzi5633
@vinozarazzi5633 Рік тому
@@user-hu3iy9gz5j Putin is equally "successful" - both are WEF/Bilderberg Puppets
@nanayponsing9390
@nanayponsing9390 2 роки тому
PINKLAWANS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THIS CHANNEL.
@matthewrobinson7427
@matthewrobinson7427 3 роки тому
I think he's trying to fool the world my opinon I don't believe he can even see straight therefore it's not a proven fact
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls 2 роки тому
?????
@josephsellers5978
@josephsellers5978 2 місяці тому
Not near as Machiavellian as Christ and that bs kingdom
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