It's impossible to win an argument if you're not having one. Which is usually the case. Indeed, when we speak of "winning arguments", we already got it wrong. In a discussion, whoever has his views improved is the one who wins out, after all. But when we use the term, usually we have a battle of words. People want to be right... and because of that, we're unwilling to recognize when we're wrong, and thus unable to ever become right. This is why people are constantly wrong. Usually both parties are wrong. Either on the subject, or in the delusion that they're disagreeing, while they're really just talking past each other.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!! TOO MUCH ARGUING AND NOT ENOUGH DISCUSSION!!! BRAINSTORMING = GOOD SOLUTIONS. ARGUING = VERY BAD SOLUTIONS! GOVERNMENT = DISASTROUS SOLUTIONS!!!

@Moto Guzzi Let’s not get political 🙄🖐 (lmao jk but in all seriousness)

@Moto Guzzi Oh lmao it’s ok

I just want to point out that smart and ignorant are not mutually exclusive. Smart is the ability to learn. Ignorant is a lack of information.

Exactly. I agree with you 100%

This is where Jesus comes in. Mimic how he was.

@@godloves9163 Why are you forcing your religion on others?

@@E-plunksna Why are you forcing your beliefs on other? You are doing this stating that. It’s simply a good suggestion, the person has free will to choose. You clearly don’t know what the definition of “forcing” means…

@@E-plunksna That's not forcing? He's just stating an opinion . . . Also, it's kind of ironic that you're having this disagreement immediately after a comment about disagreeing but treating each other with respect . . . just sayin

I will have to remember that! I don't have mints right now, but I am going to go get some next time I am out.

Clever.

agreed, if I get into a difficult situation in a bar, I just offer to buy them a drink, especially if the problem is that I drank their drink by mistake!

Thank you! Thats the useful advice I was looking for.

Another strategy is to respond by saying "Maybe you're right."

Good way to see it

And if the person you're talking to is doing that to you, then they are not interested in your insight and you will never win an argument, change their mind, or even instill a little bit of insight or food for thought. You are only waisting your breath. Best to stop and walk away.

@@eugenedeckard8714I also believe that to be true, but from personal experience arguing with friends, sometimes, over time and given space to self reflect, the point can sink in. I've mentioned years later to a friend how he was right, I just had to work through it myself. Anymore, I try to adopt the attitude to be appreciative of learning the truth, rather than defensive, as though it was some personal affront to my intelligence. I believe that it's part of the path to enlightenment.

So this whole video is about how to know when the other person is not using logic. So you know when to stop wasting your time. I already know that within 20 seconds of talking to someone. The headline is misleading.

"...you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool." -Richard Feynman

@@keensoundguy6637 -ed by yourself.

"XBOX LIVE" -The YoMama Guy

Of course

Why do you think there are so many liberals And democrats

Well done! Keep it up!

Good luck,bro you did it in my birthday

Congrats! I’m sober off alcohol since August 8th, 2021

Congrats man!

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Two people can reason equally well and with facts of equal weight and come to different conclusions. It isn't always about that.

​@@jamescohen Perhaps you did not understand the quote or the context.

Thanks! I think you proved my point!@@celestialnubian

@@jamescohen There is value in arguing with someone who uses reason and still disagrees with you. But there is no value in arguing with someone who has abandoned reason. I also think you missed the point.

Well the first way I know someone is using reason is when they don't make it personal. Inversely, I know someone has abandoned reason for classic fallacies when instead of addressing the point in a reasoned way, they focus on the other person directly. An example of this might be: " I also think you missed the point." This is ad hominem, and also assumes that the person did not understand you, while you in fact may not have understood your interlocutor. Yes indeed there is value when two or more people are able to use the critically important tool of reason to address a subject. Even with no agreement, if all parties reason well, chances are each will go away with new thoughts. This is pretty much optimum. What is also true, is both parties can have the same facts and reason very well, but have significantly different world views and hold different axiomatic beliefs which make agreement impossible. Especially where value sets are involved. We have all likely witnessed experts who are also brilliant argue about the value of the mRNA platform injections for the recent pandemic of sorts. As I have a side on the issue, it is difficult for me to recognize that the other side has reasoning which justify the measures it took. But as I say, many brilliant experts are on both sides of an issue where we are very far from consensus. So while reason as a cognitive tool is by far the most important meta-invention in human history, and I really mean that, it is important to see where it fails. Thanks for the discussion. @@theeye8276

based for being able to admit it

The fact you say this is more than half the battle. Love the truth and others and your there. Put the truth before your feelings or personal desire. That can be hard but sounds like you're on your way. Congratulations. You win at life

@@nemesisurvivorleon Exactly my thought

The first step is awareness of something you’d like to change I your life. Out of all the comments that get the most attention, I’d argue it’s people like you and posts like this that deserve the most feedback/support. Peace and love to you and your journey 🙏

Without truth we are lost brother

But never assume you can't be in the position of the fool

Great point Also never argue with a fool because from a distance we can't tell who is who

The problem with that line of thought is who decides which side is the fool and which side isn't? You have to understand that you don't only have the potential to be the fool, but are also THE fool in some situations. Otherwise many just use this line of thinking to coincide with their cognitive dissonance as an excuse to continue with it instead of realizing the truth.

@@theworstcatholic7247 Do you want to say that it’s all relative? 😄 I would probably consider people that have a history of being sarcastic and not bothering to use any logic in a debate- fools. People who aren’t even trying to back their own opinion, just wanting to ruin your credibility. It’s pretty distressing in my experience 😫. Then again I could also be considered a fool for continuing a discussion hours in, even tough it’s clearly not progressing any time soon :).

@@theworstcatholic7247 Great comment.

Then what if you recognize that your knowledge of reality can be at all times wrong because you are not God?

@@redemptivememelord6283 That's impossible. I'm never wrong.

Yeah, and that comes from discussions being seen as a fight where someone wins and someone else loses instead of a simple exchange of opinions

my parents in a nutshell

Absolutely, I've said for years that people don't care if they're right, they just don't want to be wrong.

Yes, organized religion adherent enters our chat and it’s all downhill from there😂

Amen. Meet people on eye level

Most peoples mind-set has to do with their upbringing, culture and education.

That's an inefficient method, to be used only where social conditions prevent the use of more efficient tools. Historically, the most efficient means of persuasion is force, physical or verbal. Even the gandhis and mlks of the world succeeded by economically extorting and humiliating their enemies into submission.

Precisely

All things Shapiro isn't..he's gone full deranged genocidal maniac mode.....

What matter of utopia is this!?

isn't the problem, that they often think they're solving an issue by feeding their ideology?

@@ferdisot2190 yeah it’s a common problem, not the main one but still a common

imagine having ZERO politicians and instead using Best Practices.

@@FractalPrism. Your country first.

Yes. Kudos to her, she had more integrity than most other SJWs.

She's smart, just very attached to her viewpoint.

Because she was not used to people beating her at her own game.

tbh Cathy didn't contradict herself in that, she was lead to believe she did, which was definitely a mistake on her side. the other guy literally said: if the police have the right to shoot people, why shouldn't I be able to shoot people. The argument is not about the act of offending others itself. He wants to defend unfounded violence, violence on the grounds of race or sexual orientation, things people cannot change about themselves. That is wrong, that is asking to be able to bully people. Now she says he shouldn't have the right to offend those people, thus apparently offending him. But the difference is the goal and the context of that "offence". Standing out against oppression is not oppression. Freedom to kill shouldn't trump the freedom to live, and for that to happen we must allow punishing killers. That law already exists and noone seems to be opposing that. I think similar reasoning can be applied to all sorts of violence.

@@theadalbert2458 thank you for explaining this to me

"Expertise" can also be a self-snaring trap. Expertise of a subject can actually make us MORE close-minded in an argument because we arrive at supposed mastery of a subject by a specific method which can, by it's very nature, lead us down an illogical path. It's actually better to take the position of self-awareness that you DON'T know as much as you think you do and be more open-minded and desiring the advancement of learning.

@davestang5454 Expertise in one particular subject or even more so to a certain aspect of that subject should include the knowledge of alternate theories pertaining to that subject. So yes, an expert can have an entrenched view of a subject and may dismiss out of hand a different view, not because they are arrogant or close-minded, but because they already explored that line of thought which turned out to be incorrect. I can see an expert in one area pontificating on a different area using their specific method of learning and inquiry to present an opinion as being correct even though they have not explored other lines of thought. My question revolves around knowing an accepted truth like the round earth versus the flat earth. Both sides of that argument have their zealots that will go bananas if you even mention the opposing theory. One side is backed by verified facts and physical evidence, while the other side has equally compelling evidence and facts supporting their view. Neither person can travel to the moon and see with their own eyes whether what they've been taught is true or is a lie. How do you argue your position to someone you are very close to and don't want to sacrifice the relationship with, to realize, or at least be open to the correct line of thought? When it comes down to it, there is a true side and false side to every argument. What I'm asking is how to argue the true point versus the falsehood supported by flawed logic that seems not so flawed. And still have a close valued relationship.

Lmao

Fax

At the same time, they are the origin of mature faults!

Like, for example: The second tell barely ever gets interpreted friendly or even gets corrected! This procedure is oftenly followed by denunciation afar from the person, who cognitively plays another tune!

and TONS of people don't even care.

Yeh that’s why I clicked it. My dad is one. There’s no reasoning with him. Had to completely shut him out of my life because you can’t reason with him.

As an introvert person that i am , narcissistic people tend to overpower me and are entitled, so i want to understand them more and or perhaps put them out of my life if being nice to them is not enough.

The only way to get an healthy relationship with a narcist is not having one with him/her at all.

@@kristinasanchez8510 There is no "understanding" a narcissist which will bring your relationship with him/her to a state of normalcy and mutual benefit. Narcissists are always looking for an angle, and they are brilliant assessors of personalities and will learn to control anyone. Just stay away. Abandonment is a good tactic. You will sleep much better and have a happier, peaceful life.

@@AA-bk1jr pretty much the same story here

give it time.... we will have that umbrella medicine eventually. ZOMBIES~~~ i mean resurrection within certain time frame after they have been declared dead may one day (or may not) get created.

BRILLIANT comment, thank you for sharing xx

Guess there is a high demand for necromancers these days then... -.-

Good comment but bad grammar. In this instance it's actually *who and not whom

I have found that lack of reason to be the result of a deeper underlying issue. Victims of gas lighting can loose their since of logic. They may not even believe what the see. If it goes against their previous beliefs.

Can you source where Mark Twain stated or wrote this? I couldn't find it.

Perhaps you meant, "How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again!" -Mark Twain

@@ironocy496 perhaps you’re right. I only heard it from a third party

This is the problem with regurgitating misquoted catch phrases then peppering the internet like ammunition shells ...it becomes a bunch of meaningless irrelevant word litter.

@@ironocy496 well a lot of voters fell for the Biden lie, and now we're stuck

Perfect is the enemy of good. Good is the enemy of good enough. Good enough is the enemy of better. (Circular logic does sometimes have a use. In select circumstances and forms. Maybe...) Fallacies can become paradoxes. Paradoxes can be used as a tool for axiomatic thought.

This is somewhat true. But it’s also important to at least acknowledge that being highly critical of new ideas has benefit because new ideas may seem good but not stand up to deep scrutiny, or long term scrutiny. One of my favorite quotes from Fear And Loathing In Las a Vegas is when Hunter S. fathom pain explains that Hippie Culture and Free Love thought they were doing the right thing. They thought that if they could get past the “hang ups” of their parents generation, they could create a new world that was better and more equal. In reality, as the books comments, everyone who got swept up in it wound up dead, abandoning it, or burned out husks. There can be value in sticking to old beliefs and proven truths. Not every new idea is worth adopting. Even if it SOUNDS good.

Hey bud I understand totally. I would love to have a discussion with you and ask if you believe animal cruelty is wrong? In addition to that do you also believe its okay to eat meat and whats your reason for it?

@@dm7630 if I can talk... I would say humans are natural omnivores, we have the ability to break down a lot of different substances we abstain by eating. Nature and evolution made it this way. Why not take advantage of that? All carnivores eat other animals, why aren’t vegetarians reprimanding these actions..is it because they know carnivores have no way of surviving without meat? I think most people believe animal cruelty is bad. Killing animals is however not really animal cruelty. You aren’t torturing or having any malicious intent towards the poor animal. Now I don’t know what your exact opinion is on this, so I don’t have much to argument against or discuss with.

@@fridakron1696 I completely agree with you on this. But still I am sometime feel guilty when I see videos of breeders mistrating the animals

This is something that has been particularly exacerbated by the advent of social media and content algorithms. Now it's not just proximal people and the main stream media one deals with, but with platforms who drive content specifically to reinforce one's bias on a minute to minute basis.

I never heard this quote of his before. Thank you. Do you know what source (debate, interview, book, etc) it is from?

@Kamil S Just accept Thomas for the quote, no one mentioned LEFT or RIGHT.

Yes .this 7 point all of it shown in second impeachment trial and quot from thomas sowell also refelected in the show of impeachment

Ironic Thomas Sowell was the one who said that, since he's never had a single peer reviewed piece of research published and is pretty much disregarded by his peers

Kamil that's not correct. The right lives on facts. Stop being salty.

Agreed. I remember debate class and I always thought it was so strange that no topic or point of view was considered more valuable than another, the focus was always on the debate itself. While I see the point in that to a certain degree, the idea that one view or idea is as good as another is obviously VERY dangerous. Ideas have consequences. Beliefs drive action, or inaction.

If the point of the argument is to teach rather than to win, then you shouldn't be abandoning logic. Even if logic isn't winning the argument it's still always correct.

@@goawayleavemealone2880 I agree but what he said in the video is very true so you have to be very careful and be on the persons GOOD side which can be very hard to do lol

"[...] I'm literally butting heads with that person [...]" Erm... That's not a debate then. That's a brawl.

there is a reason at the core of why this has become so widespread, though accordingly most disagree or refuse to acknowledge it: people are increasingly rooted in an ambiguous set of values as opposed to being rooted in a foundation of values that are set in stone and apart from our own cognition. or simply, God as the foundation of morality is evaporating, caused by both believers and non believers falsely believing that the people themselves are who determines this morality instead of God Himself

Check out the old Ronald Reagan videos. He was one of the most loved Presidents and told jokes every time he spoke to the public and really great ones during debates.

Watch "Man of the Year" with Robin Williams.

SO true!! haha!

I can see that. Over here in the UK, we have a comedian, who edits a satire magazine called Private Eye. His name is Ian Hislop, and he is the master of the put-down. I think I can work out why comedians would be devastating in a political debate. They're trained in responding to hecklers without missing a beat or breaking into a flop sweat. Someone heckles them - they clap back. So the other guy's arguing, thinking he's winning a debate, but he's not reading the room: the comedian's responding as though he were on stage, and he's facing a tough room of precisely one heckler.

@@AlexGreeneHypnotist I've laughed at Ian hislop alot over the years but have I got news for you is the WWF of political debates

True that's how all wars n battles have been everybody thinks they are right........

I keep thinking about that line in the movie 🎥 the Joker when he says to Murraay : ever ones yelling and screaming over on another and no one's being Civil anymore and that's when goes left and things spin out of control there for igniting a small brush fire of battle which if left unchecked or cooler heads prevail leading into a forest fire of war

I've actually had a few disagreements online that have been pretty civil. I doubt I ever changed anyone's minds or swayed their opinion but there have been a few "I never looked at it that way" kinds of discussions.

When someone refuses to adjust their position and double down I willingly throw them into that hole when they dont listen to reason. Because what's really lost when you're forced to stoop down to their level? If they're willing to waste their time convincing no one with their beliefs then I'm willing to waste my time assuring them nobody believes them.

It's like wrestling with a pig. All you get is covered and smeared in filth and the pig enjoys it.

Seriously, I was given a daily self reflection question set years ago and it's been the most useful tool in my life. Self reflection is a super power.

@@ryanackert1536 I'm curious where you got one of those.

Preach

This is why truly enlightened people never change the world - as soon as you even start on the path to enlightenment you realise what other people believe is none of your business... That your intervention, no matter how well-intentioned, will likely make things worse. And that you are responsible for your own happiness, not that of others. Finally - that you know basically nothing, you used to believe a lot of things, but what you actually know is next to nothing, you don't even know yourself...

After you do your self-reflection, you'll need to deal with a third nonsense claim, built on the first two. Better leave the ring and go make more money for yourself and your family.

That’s basically the majority of belief systems on the planet. Especially atheism as they claim to know 100% sure there is no God or else they would be agnostic at the least. We all know it’s not possible that nothing can make everything, but especially DNA code write itself by assembling itself by random molecules combining together only by struck of luck and that it starts working all together to create metabolism and copy itself for no reason.

@@godloves9163 if you want to know how the whole dealio with DNA works, you can look into the field of biology and genetics. DNA is no wizardry

@@derda1304 never said it was. It’s more advanced than any software humans have ever created by far!

OP : Well said.

@@derda1304 Clearly you’re clueless on how it works because if you would, you wouldn’t believe nothing made everything wizardry. That’s the worst belief system ever!

Not they, “we”

@@47shadows76 Bro thank you! That's an honest tell on myself, and quite frankly proves your point exactly! My opposing position implying that "our side" doesn't have this fault. To truly change someones mind It's imperative we understand how to change our own in the process, to find a mutual ground to meet upon and really be "on the same side". I didn't realize I was being counter-intuitive to my own argument by segregating people as one or the other: when as you said, it's that "we" are in this together, everyone from "both sides" needs to see eachother in the same pool. I appreciate your insight, it gave me a lot to consider and think about. Wishing you a good day man!

Reading@@nagsterthegangster3548 's response: This guy gets it!

@NagsterTheGangster Exactly! It is impossible to debate, let alone have just a simple conversation with someone who can be presented the truth...but who won’t then “see” it because of their own preconceived notions, arrogance at having to be right, or their alternate universe they choose to live in. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE.

@@45auto82 Yeah man its super frustrating at times. Cuz theres literally an INFINITE amount of reasons that are wrong about why grass is green, but only one correct answer. If you compete in this kind of debate, they have an infinite amount of reasons To debate against you (all being wrong but apparently that doesn't matter anymore) and you only have the one, real reason.

Read "Never Split the Difference", it has a lot of examples about it and is one of the techniques discussed.

Yes but at that point you're not winning arguments, you're trying to sell them your point of view with the same tactics used by salesmen to try and lock people into sales they otherwise would have never made on their own. The only difference being you're trying to get them to concede to a different way of thinking vs trying to get them to buy a product. It's still a manipulative practice even if the intent is good.

To me the best arguments are not the ones were you're trying to "destroy the competition" and do everything to convince the other person your position is the right/correct one, but instead when both treat each other like the person in front of you is trying to teach you something, like you're on class and you say to your teacher "so you are saying..." because you want to be absolutely sure you understood the idea correctly, but not as just one sided thing but more like they both treat each other the same way when the other person is speaking and expressing their ideas. To me thats a win/win situation for both parties. Using the "so you're saying..." the wrong way, that is, to try to ridiculize or take out of context the idea someone is trying to say it's basically just sarcasm, basically when used the wrong way, you're basically telling the person in front of you that you don't care about the discussion, you don't care about what they're saying, and a serious/adult discussion that has idea as a foundational stone to start a discussion is no discussion at all, serves no purpose and it's a waste of time for everyone.

I basically argue my point and ask questions as well. Especially with my family. It’s actually I apologize for winning arguments. I love arguing 🙂

Exactly! All I need to do is question someone and make them clarify themselves to break down their own argument.

This quote should be more widely known. Then again, the very fact that you’ve commented it means it now is. So thanks 🙃

What does that mean?

@@boomshine87 you have to teach the truth because truth isnt always goin to be persuasive itself.

@@boomshine87 Anything can teach you by means of persuading you to believe it, but that doesn’t mean it’s true. Truth’s power of persuasion comes simply from teaching it because it can speak for itself

Whos that guy?

That is the Best statement describing what is happening in our so-called society today. Bravo 👏 thank you

That is unless you want to create actual change. In that case both matter.

*facts don’t matter to people who don’t listen. If both sides start the debate with a criteria based upon facts, then it clearly matters. If you are having an argument with people whose lives are effected by the facts, then it does clearly matter. In politics and society, we talk about topics that may not matter much to the politician or the blabber mouth who isn’t involved and so conversation can easily be like talking with a deaf person. At that point it is true, the most manipulative or witty person wins the entertainment of the hour.

Most people have manipulated themselves so much you have to work hard to un manipulate them.

Cause of many divorces.

I'm also an introvert 💙

Change your name

Gaurav Mishra I am an introvert too. I just sit back and observe.

@Joel Roy isn`t everyone by turns intro and extrovert depending on mood and or company ?

Gilliman maybe. I’m much more vocal when surrounded by family or close friends.

Common pleasure and pain …. I like that, quick way to check myself for empathy and rapport… stealing that!! If you don’t have that there is no argumentative civility…

@@bigl6322 100% agree:)

I dont know if I agree with the definition in relation to habits and addictions. Can you elaborate...

Id describe it more as.. A smoker who admits inhalations of smoke carcinogens are harmful or cause build of tar.. Yet says smoking is okay.. And does not cause this I think he has it kind of twisted.

That doesn't mean anything

@@josephham Yes it does, I do understand what he's saying

@@BluJns lol

Woah, that's good! Is it yours? (Don't read my comment sarcastically)

goddamn genius

mah man , that's Genius

Great insight, but readers beware. This can be taken 2 ways. 1 moves forward and the other moves back. The easy way to read this is to think that a smart person doesn't argue with someone who he deems a fool... However, the correct answer is that if you think the other person is a fool... then you are the fool. The 2nd way to read it is to think that if I am not skilled enough to bring us to a meeting of the minds, then I actually am not as skilled as I thought I was going into the argument and therefore a fool. The latter will cause you to improve yourself and actually move yourself and the team forward.

@@incrediblee3688 Brilliant analysis, I agree with everything you've written. To add to what you said: On the first way to read it, I guess you could say that "the unseen Dunning Kruger is the deadliest", as in a lack of self-awareness will turn even the most gifted into a fool. The second point you made was even more interesting to me, because it is the reverse; through humility and self-improvement we may eventually overcome our foolishness by realising what fools we were in the first place.

tru dat. sometimes i think there r folks who just like to argue so they can push thr opinion. if u didnt answer they would b happier.

I don't agree, rational thinking people are open-minded when arguing with someone and will listen attentively to their arguments. He will analyze objectively the arguments of both sides and change his starting opinion if the other person brings more rational and sane arguments to the table.

@@alexdussault_ I know you said you don't agree but... I'm glad you elaborated that you DO agree? xD

So other than helping someone change his own mind, what is the other thing you can do, change it forcefully? Like washing their brain or something?

Dumbest comment I've seen there

never say never. someone might gain the mind control ability or place you in a dream like state where you end up believing the dream is real and your stance within the dream will be dictated by them (or the if you fall asleep with it on TV ;D )

Is he? I’d say you’re both suffering from egotistical inflation.

@@growbydoing7290 mmmm looks like number 6 in action

@@brantcua5628 No clue, not a numerological minded individual.

@@growbydoing7290 So you are saying you can't count to 6 and see the statement attached to that number?

@@growbydoing7290 … You’ve not watched the video at all, have you?

Yeah normally I agree but some peoples beliefs are actually so frustrating, but I find those people rare. Most people, I find, at least want to think they're the good guys and in the right

Tried that a lot of times, and I don't remember it working. Most people don't really want to change what they think. But it is good advise nonetheless, antagonizing for sure never works.

Usually works, but i once met a dude who was the perfect example "give him an inch, and he will take a mile"...

I being more empathetic They being more arrogant and aggressive and think that proves them right

Awesome advice.

Don't do it anymore. One out of a thousand will accept the evidence

You're butting up against their subconscious which is protecting the worldview that they've developed and relied on for their lives up to that point. Often that worldview in their mind is "common sense" and yet nothing more than unchallenged, passively-received opinions. Evidence that most of us are fancy apes.

A lot of people also just ask for evidence as a defense mechanism. They don’t actually care about your evidence or your point.

I had the same experience. When I asked if they had considered a particular point, they emotionally attacked me twice before I could say anything else. Not willing to continue like that, I simply commented "Thus ends the rational discussion" and left.

Had a similar experience. I was asked for a "source?" to the information I shared. They claimed to want evidence. When I listed a number of channels and videos on UKposts, instead of being willing to watch the videos or check out the sources, they simply said "youtube's not a reliable source". When I listed another website and source, they said the same thing. It's infuriating but it also clearly reflects these types of people are ultimately not interested in truth. What I struggle with is maintaining compassion for these brainwashed individuals, it's easy to fall into anger and resentment. By the way, for anyone reading this comment, these were people who will literally believe ANYTHING the mainstream media tells them. In their mind, if the MSM says it, it's unquestionably truth.

Nobody is immune to cognitive dissonance or other types of cognitive biases or logical fallacies. But knowing when they're effecting your thinking is huge.

You shouldn't be ashamed to find weak points in your perspective - the very fact you realize it demonstrates that you are examining your own beliefs from a honest perspective.

We're all human, man. Forgive yourself. You're learning.

Humility is a superpower that we can all attain. It’s simple, but NOT EASY

"when you entertain clowns, you become part of the circus"

Nathan White Good one! 💯

@ Ykc Love that one! 😀

Define fool.

sometimes you have to argue to change their minds

Sometimes it is not worth the time to argue with someone who will inaccurately address your arguments, or try to fit their own narrative,etc. Its takes lots and lots of time for people to realize their mistake, especially cognitive dissonance. We can also take into account that you in most arguments have the agency to leave. It is very difficult to change someones values and beliefs if they don't want that thing to change.

My personal take is that the mindset needed to become aware of those seven points also involves having the emotional perspective of realizing that the argument isn't a hill worth dying on. At least that's how it was in my past experience with arguments. I always got trumped or I always trumped them (no pun intended) the moment they or I realized the argument wasn't worth it and then proceeded to unconsciously use some of the ideas in this video.

They lack self awareness and ARE the people described in the video. That is why.

Cause they dont like the idea of expressing their opinions to people with opposite thoughts. They only wanna talk to people who think like them

@@HeroOfJusticeYT sup, emiya

It's a natural survival mechanism, embrace it and refuse to change reasonable believes, without concrete evidence. Even scientific theories have exceptions , so it depends a lot on context too . If people want to be understood or heard they have to meet you halfway.

Rare bird. Introspective and wanting to know more, be better...rather than be "right", "win", posturing. We all would do well to take a breath, (or 10), pause, zoom out, realize a tiger isn't chasing us (as it's our fight/flight, sympathetic nervous system activated) and try to get our prefrontal cortex online. No one really comes out on top, by doubling down on beliefs built from various conditioning, biases, cognitive distortions and so on. When we can look at all that, and decide how we want to think, what we want to believe...then we are empowered, vs our thoughts controlling us.

You are one of the rare ones. Congratulations on challenging yourself

Same. That's why I always push for good faith arguments. I want my position improved quickly

Cognitive dissonance is easy to find with in yourself You just have to realize it's not a risk to indulge new beliefs

That's a good quote! Who said that?

@@itsshrimp91 04:31 into the video

Read this statement right when he said that

And then he moves on in the conversation! LOL

@@itsshrimp91 I believe andrew neil

Lol the only people I have seen screaming are woke and leftards.

@@TheSupermanMc he's woke?

If you defend a barbaric religion, you ain't just woke you are a tyrannical sycophant.

He wasn't defending Christianity ! Lol you really think your religion is superior, when there is no superiority when it comes to religion..

Hahaha

ALL HUMANS ARE HYPOCRITES. It's their nature.

This is just wrong. People leave religion all the time through being convinced by reasonable arguments, it's how I became an Atheist myself

@@Ben-Rogue Great point. Reasonable is reason-able; ie, processing information one has accumulated at any given time in one's journey of education and experience. Point #1 on list of cognitive dissonance is being stunned by new info w/o adjusting perspective. This is true no matter what the ism is.

100% agree. Love your name and pfp.

Then thank you for letting us know that you are not worth debating when we put that profile photo in consideration.

Yeah Ben Affleck like most of Hollywood is an irrational archetypal moron

Bill Maher crowd are a bunch of sheep as one famous Rick said "Oh please boo me if you want, I've seen what makes you cheer" getting cheers on Bill Maher is like getting a participation trophy.

@Liz Lee Affleck just didn't listen, there's nothing more to it. His pre assumptions took control and he comoletely missed the point. Not bad intention, just stupidity.

@@mardy3732 maybe not stupidity. Arrogance, or moral superiority perhaps.

I watched the whole discussion, and Affleck did not come out of that looking good. Sure some people cheered right then, but he didn't have Maher fooled for one second. He eventually calmed down enough that Harris was able to explain. I'm not sure how well Affleck absorbed it at the time, but when all was said and done it was pretty clear who was making sense.

Yeah good luck with that one

Absolutely!

Absolutely and each of us having our own opinions and beliefs is absolutely fine Even sharing those beliefs with others personally I consider myself Christian and I have heard many individuals say to me it's nice that you have your belief system just don't share it with others I find that statement interesting considering that's exactly what they're doing with me 🙂

@@brick2392 haha, this is true!

this. I have to listen to alot of unreasonable talk. I debate religion and ethics/culture differences alot. Basically you have to almost agree with the person, then start asking questions.... "well, thats cool. Have you ever been in that situation?" or "I wonder if that person ever thought of this". Hell, last argument I had with my christian buddy, I made a joke about the bible being a conspiracy for control over the masses by the church. Ironically he uses the king james bible. But I went into some crazy detail on what might have happened at the actual crucifiction and w/e. When you out-crazy the crazy person, it has an interesting affect.

This is similar to what I learned in educational psychology, but the main takeaway was that it takes being exposed to the new info more than once in order to internalize it because our brain is going to fight to restore balance.

Sure but you can hammer a nail to put in a screw. Starter hole when remove nail to put in a slightly bigger screw.

You could for a starter hole if had no nails to later put in a bigger screw.

@@hydrolito Think you're maybe over-analyzing the metaphor?

Doesn’t matter when the screw identifies it’s a nail, Bc science!

Well it certainly doesn't work in reverse

Couldn't agree more! I've been on that loop for a long time until some people (so close to me) left because they thought I was being toxic around them. It was a heartbreaking experience but it has finally awaken me

@Diego Jerez I mean how complex is it if literally every human that ever lived goes through it🤷

Anarcho primitism is way to go.

I like how Professor Jordan Peterson pointed out that we need to listen to that still small voice within us that encourages us away from bad thoughts and behavior, and into better modes of thinking and living. That has worked for me, but can be really hard to follow through with it; it can require a lot of effort depending on which personal flaw we're being encouraged to overcome.

I totally agree

So in the workspace you'd just walk away from a boss that wont listen?

@@Trancecend Just say you dont want to argue

@@rasmuslinnemann6722 my go to line at work is "I hate politics, you do anything fun over the weekend? Works everytime.

@@trever2244 "I don't want to talk politics, just put the mask on."

Until there is no terrain left to walking away to?

Thanks

Thank you ! 🌸

Thank you.

@@virtualworlds8081 is it though? I like using bullet points very much, and I happen to identify as male. He/him pronouns and everything. Brenda ☝🏼 on the other hand 🤷🏻‍♂️ hard to say...

Brenda thank you so much to summarize the content of the video it helps a lot.

Usually an inability to change one's mind in the face of evidence is due to narcissism.

aka: You can't reason with the unreasonable.

@Liz Lee This. People who are hyperfocused on "logic" get lost in the semantics. They think they're smarter for this, but it shows how tone deaf they really are. Real life is not a series of yes and no's. The people who think like this were the same ones who couldnt accept that someone who threw logic out all his debates won the White House in 2016.

Watch me repeatedly fail.

Liz Lee Be Shapiro makes very logical arguments, many times I see his point, but I think he gets kind of lost because he's always on the defense!

Conservativism in a nutshell.

It's good to give people a chance to defend their viewpoint, because nobody has the authoritative truth. If their viewpoint makes sense, it will hold up. If not, it will fall apart under scrutiny.

Debating class, lol. Call it out for what it really is; arguing.

Completely agree. The belief that all views are equally valid has almost destroyed acedemia. Everyone has a right to their views, and a right to express them, but just because you can argue something doesn't make it right, true, or relevant. Trying to stay self-consistent while arguing a position divorced from reality is an exercise in futility.

@@holl0918 well said 👏

If believes drive action don't you agree the believe your believe is better drives action as well?

What. How does one get someone to listen without seeming like it's from a place of superiority? When cognitive dissonance occurs there immediately on the defensive which must mean you're on the offensive and therefore superior. The accusation that you're coming from a place of superiority is a defense mechanism on their part. How does one dismantle this

Win through your actions law #9

This is true bliss. We humans are on a loong span of range in behaviour and spiritual development. Some of us are very enlightened, and can listen in any time and place. Some listen not at all. Some listen if a person they like or know is saying something. We are all here to learn our personal stuff. I am not perfect, but I seek to understand and I yell sometimes, and I get angry for wrong reasons sometimes, but I still work on trying to overcome myself. I've found out this is exactly the kind of person I want to be. Meanwhile, a lot of people have gone all their lives to their graves without overcoming obstacles they've been stuck at for perhaps 50 years or more. I think a solution for this (or atleast one of many solutions may be), that one asks oneself, when you are all alone, before you sleep for example; these very questions. Am I listening? Am I learning? Am I doing the right thing? Do I know this? Do I know that? Why do I know that? etc. :)

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Lol, I’d agree with that people love to help others. Gives a sense of worth and develops a connection between people.

@@Solipsisticdaydreams It's a scientically proven truth! People like to help and they think that the person is worthy for their help. I was in both situation and people mostly give me whatever I ask if they can. On the other side I use my power to find a solution for the problem if someone ask for my help.

I've used that ploy. The we're on the same side move.