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Perfect, which is exactly what Ze was trying achieve for people 👌🤝

You are more than welcome and good choice 👌 Be careful, some people offer the CG2365, but insist that you take their worthless domestic installer course first, which will cost you £2k and is not even needed. Where are you based?

@@Pure_electrical_training mate i'm based in Hayes West London, i've actually put a deposit down but i'll cancel the course. So from what i've seen Jump on a level 2 diploma part time Then Jump on a Level level 3 and try to transfer to an apprenticeship in the second year which will get me My NVQ level 3. Just asking what is the likelihood of being able to transfer to an apprenticeship on the second year?

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You could try agency work

I get the feeling it’s supposed to be 48 months, but colleges make more money doing it in 36!

There are many training providers that will sell you a worthless qualification. Stay away from the ones that advertise a worthless step 1 course that doesn’t mean anything. All you need is the CG2365 or the CG8202

@@Pure_electrical_training nice one Adrian cheers for that 🙌🏻🙌🏻 nice and clear thanks mate 👍👍 the reason I’m wanting to do it as I’ve used “registered” and non registered sparks in the past and seriously when I’ve seen the work that’s been done, I could of literally done a better job myself and when asking for certificates for let’s say a board change which is notifiable , I got the whole oh mate you don’t need any certificates they don’t mean anything and then me taking they’re word for it has bit me in the arse when selling the house, so I’d rather re train and do the job myself knowing that what I will do will be safe tested and certified and can bloody sleep at night 😂😭

I’ll definitely give it some thought

I am currently on the 2365 level 2 course, wasnt aware that i wouldnt be qualified until I saw this video. Level 3 has changed to the 8202 for next year, seems different from the 2365 in terms of units. Whats this nvq/portfolio and how do I get info on it. Great video thanks for the much needed info, keep up the good work.

@@andrewkelsey7777 the NVQ/portfolio is the prerequisite required before taking the AM2, effectively it's a way of building evidence (Apprenticeships have a dedicated logbook) to show you can work and talk to the required level.

@@JIBS. indeed they stick it on there van so they must be?

I completely agree and it sounds like we are on the same page. Take a look at this www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-4-Experienced-Worker-Assessment.pdf

That is great news 🙌 I think the 2365 is being phased out and becoming the 8202, which looks better 👌

Sucks big time doesn’t it 😔

I personally would advise against any of those courses, and have put together a video that would hopefully help

You can join a competent person scheme after doing a domestic installer course, with 2 years experience (not sure how rigorously they check) www.electricalcareers.co.uk/joining-the-industry/training-routes/

Have you looked at the AM2E route

It can be a hard route and some people make it work, so it all depends on the individual and a bit of luck. But, consider this… Just because you have a piece of paper saying you passed some exams and a small bit of practical, does not mean you have knowledge, understanding, or experience. So a lot of employers will not take you on, unless you take apprentice money, as they still need to invest a lot of time and patience in your development. A lot of people end up working as agency workers, and almost no one will be invested in your development. It is a long slog

Thanks for the reply mate, I’ve been a self employed builder for 5 years and have had various on site experience with basic electrics and how stuff works which I believe will be an asset to my journey, also I know alot of people who are qualified electricians who can help me so I think I’m one of the lucky ones who will be able to make it work. Feel sorry for some people who don’t have them experiences tho as I feel there’s a lot of dedicated and hard working people who would be passionate about doing it and in turn produce good levels of work it’s a shame there’s not a better route for adult learners

I think Completely Electrical has a video out on UKposts for an EICR

Thank you

What about practice For AM2 AM2S can I come to you

I have a set of videos, have you seen them?

I check it thank you

Thank you for taking the time to get in touch. I think the best thing for you is this Become an electrician and get a gold card the easy way on the CG2346 experienced worker route ukposts.info/have/v-deo/eZuKjYybjIBzlo0.html

It’s never too late and an apprenticeship is still attainable and free. Even at your age. Your employer will pay 5% of the funding which works out £300 per year, which is one of the reasons why apprentice wages are low for the 1st year, but loads of people overcome that by holding down a second job, working weekends, or doing private work

Exactly 👊

If you just want to do landlord certificates you don’t even need to be qualified as an electrician. Just complete the 2391, or EAL equivalent inspection and testing course and off you go

Don’t believe the marketing 😁

You sign them and the assessor signs them off

I would suggest that the best way is an apprenticeship. It takes longer, but you learn the knowledge over a longer period of time, which means you should be a stronger electrician. People in your position may struggle with the pay, but if you are already working for a company than your pay is already agreed. You would just attend one day a week

It sounds like all you are missing is the site experience, and the portfolio, other than that you are pretty much there. www.electricalcareers.co.uk/joining-the-industry/training-routes/

@@Pure_electrical_training thanks for taking time to reply. I now work as site engineer for goring hall hospital. Been there for almost 4years. I do a lot of electrical work there. Would it be possible to get what I need in my current job do you think?

Yes Frank, you are on the right route www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf

@@Pure_electrical_training Thank you for clearing this up. I must of got confused with a previous video of yours as I was under the impression you took the same route but thank you for confirming. The road ahead seems fairly long but I hope within 2 - 4 years I can get my gold card. All the best Adrian

@@frankwizard7496 How you getting on Frank? Your route is the best one - do the theory etc and then get some work in alongside experience workers to build that portfolio. It's the same as having done a proper apprenticeship then.

@@electricalstuff259 I’m good thank you for asking passed my LV 2 & 3 diplomas now working in the industry for nearly 3 months I’ll probably do a year or a few more months then aim for my NVQ

@@frankwizard7496 Nice one Frank that's great to see mate. Keep on keeping on bud.

Where are you based? What company were you looking at that offers a work placement?

We are based in London and we been looking at a Company called options skills and wondering if you can pointers in the right direction please?? Thanks.

If she decide to go down the route of apprenticeship where should she start looking and if we go privately and pay a lump sum to a company do you think it a good idea??

@Electrician Scam, steer clear. You'll have the quals on paper but won't be able to register with a scheme and will have zero real practical knowledge. Find a college instead, will cost you nothing if you're under 21. I'm 34 and going to do level 2, start next week, and it's free for me. Next year i have to pay £3500 for the level 3 with college but my college has work placements for the last 6 months so you can do your portfolio on site with a reputable company.

Where do you live? If you are in the UK you could possible try the experienced worker route, might be worth talking to someone. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/eZuKjYybjIBzlo0.html

I would say that you only need to look at the state the gas industry is in, to realise that it has exactly the same issues as the electric. I’ve seen the standard many times of someone who has only completed a 6-month apprenticeship, and I wouldn’t let them work in anyone’s house that I know. Knowledge and ability comes with time, and there is no quick way around that. Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? Take a look. I would say that if you haven’t realised that there is more to your trade then you first thought after 6-months, and haven’t got to the slope of enlightenment, then I would suggest that you may still be at the peak of confidence. Everyone who knows there stuff in the gas industry, knows that not many people fail the ACS assessment. It’s just a tax on the profession.

I believe that the best level of knowledge is achieved over a long period of time, and that learning 4 days on the job, with one day at college tying it together, is the best way to learn. A course that lasts a few weeks is not sufficient to achieve that, and anyone that tells you it is, is either selling you the course, or has used this route themselves. Often, defending their inadequacies. However, you are right. Just because someone has done an apprenticeship doesn’t mean the training they received was good, or they were the right person to receive it. Also, with the way the training industry is setup, not many fail and are often pushed through to achieve statistics. Equally, there will be some people who go down the short course route and achieve greatness, deserving everything they get. Although, in my experience, these are few and far between, and due to their lack of training, are far worse due to their arrogance and self-belief. Whatever you think, or believe, the truth is that it’s the person who makes the qualification. Not the other way round, so why not make people earn their right to call themselves electricians, rather than giving that privilege away for cash.

In what way Nick? People I’m around daily always comment on how positive I am, so I’m genuinely interested to hear why you would think that? The only thing that I can think of, is the fact that what I am trying to highlight as a negative problem within the electrical industry, is upsetting those that are caught within that problem themselves. Are you an electrician by trade?