hard to listen to

He’s the worst

Fr can't stand him

I can't take him seriously lol

are u saying this isn't as important as cartoons

They'll be back before the end of the decade, in my opinion, if all goes according to plan.

Yeah- it was this merger more than anything that screwed the Thrashers- it only gets a passing mention in this video; it's complex but it boggled the minds of a lot of people at the time why anyone ( Time-Warner) would merge with AOL ( a dial-up internet company) at a time when people were already bailing in droves on AOL in favor of high-speed DSL and cable service. Other "suits" within the company were given control of Ted Turner's other assets (Falcons, Thrashers and WCW) and Turner scrambled to retain control of the Braves franchise (his prized possession). WCW was sold to Vince McMahon for a fraction of it's value in the fire sale.

​@@johncorey7408 time Warner was buying the data AOL had collected. It's always been about data since the internet became a thing. That's an even bigger source of income than subscriber fees

@@johncorey7408 I think you mean, Hawks, not Falcons. Turner once owned the Hawks, not the Falcons. The Falcons have only had two owners since they came into the league in 1966. The Rankin Smith family, followed by Arthur Blank.

Atlanta Flames failed - not because of Atlanta Spirit Atlanta Gladiators can't even fill their arena 50% - are they failing because of the Atlanta Spirit too???? That's why there are no hockey fans in Georgia BEFORE AND AFTER the Thrashers? Because of the Atlanta Spirit? Hahahahahahaha Google hockey registration in Georgia it is 40th out of 50 states.... (taking into account Canadian provinces Georgia is ranked 50th out of 60 states and provinces lol) Georgia hates hockey

@@sampicano flames were likely in Atlanta too early. The Braves and Hawks struggled to draw in the 70s, the Flames didn't stand a chance. But the infighting in the Thrasher's ownership group doomed the franchise.

​@@kjorlaug1 70s and 80s it was too early 90s and 00s it was Atlanta Spirit and hockey registration in Georgia is 40th in America out of 50 states....and the Atlanta Gladiators can't even fill the arena 50% because what? What's your excuse? Atlanta Gladiators - 4,168 fans per game - London Knights - 9,035 per game - Halifax Mooseheads - 8,368 per game - Quebec Remparts - 9,840 per game - University North Dakota - 11,612 per game - University of Wisconsin - 10,059 per game - University of Nebraska-Omaha - 7,043 per game there are better markets in the South... ECHL Jacksonville averages - 8,768 per game AHL San Diego averages 7,249 real hockey markets exist, I don't think San Diego or Jacksonville are hockey markets but they are better markets than atlanta

@@kjorlaug1 Don't argue with him. This idiot goes on every 'Why The Thrashers Failed' video and posts the same bullshit

@@sampicano How's hockey registration for Clark County, Nevada? Tampa?

Dude fr, what players today play how him and ovi did back then? Those guys were electrifying, only guys that come close in terms of size, speed and lethal shot Is MacKinnon really, he's like the only comparison to those 2 guys and isnt quite as big

He was also one of the all time assholes out there.

@@Psychedelic-O-Moose Agreed

​@@Psychedelic-O-Moose How? Genuinely interested.

Face of the franchise. Hopefully when the Thrashers return he can be the head coach or something.

There were no fans

Waaaaay too obvious.

The fans are never the problem. Plain and simple.

@@tonyc8752 For a so-called "hockey historian," you certainly don't know very much. True historians never go on numbers alone, but that seems to be all you're interested in; you don't care about the why's and the how's. You can throw out numbers and percentages all you want, but the fact remains that you weren't here, and you have no clue.

@@iplayfhorn LOL. The Thrashers drew 17,000 their first year and were down to 13,000 by year 2!!! They were basically 4K under capacity most years of their existence. Atlanta didn't support the Thrashers, even in the early days. Not a hockey city. Frankly, kinda a lousy sports city in general.

Needs to be more tenor and right now it's too soprano

Yeah, it is forced and annoying.

I really have to second this, the delivery was great but I feel it should've gone down an octave during the more serious topics (Snyder for example)

Agree. I’ll have to thumb down the channel so I don’t get it suggested anymore.

he sounds like he belongs on a live action show for children under 5 or he would be a actor in some education film ud see in 2nd grade about recycling and even than u were cringing

Alabama LITERALLY has some of the worst hockey registration in North America... if Alabama "likes hockey" then every other state likes it more

​​@@sampicano you don't have to play hockey to be a fan of hockey It has the least players because it has the least opportunities.

@@MrJohansen what came first 5.074 million people in Alabama not building rinks, not playing hockey for the past 100 years..... or no opportunities....HAHAHAHAHA weird how every other state and province BUILT ARENAS BECAUSE THEY HAD FANS Alabama is the one state with no opportunities HAHAHAHAH more like....nobody wants to watch hockey in Alabama LITERALLY BOTTOM 5 HOCKEY MARKETS IN NORTH AMERICA

@@sampicano true but irrelevant

@@geoff3103 ir·rel·e·vant adjective - not connected with or relevant to something WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID?

You think we’ll get another team soon?

@@JustinWoodwardComedy I do. I think the NHL will go back into Atlanta and Phoenix, also add Houston, and finally go back to Quebec..I don't think they can overlook Canada again if they go to 36 teams

@@kjorlaug1 if the NHL cares about TV ratings they'll go to Phoenix,Atlanta, and Houston. I'm seriously....how does a league like the NHL with their built-in TV handicaps ignore/screw up those 3 big markets? They should move Carolina to Atlanta. Raleigh is worthless for the NHL.

Oh, as long as Gary Bettman is alive, he'll find a way. Who saw Salt Lake City getting a team coming?

No we blame Atlanta Spirit.

No city deserves a team less than Atlanta

@@tonyc8752 Okay, we all know you don't like Atlanta. Thanks for playing.

And I expect if that happens then in 12 years or so they will be relocated to Saskatoon !

​@@XxxXxx-fm3wo or with stable ownership it can work

I think 2027.

Thrashers fans at that point were nothing more than alimony payments because of Joe Johnson.

Best logo in pro-sports, I still want to own a Hartford Whalers T-shirt or a Jersey.

Howard Baldwin and he came to Pittsburgh and nearly destroyed the Penguins. FSG has money but they are not hungry to win and Sullivan needs to go. The Pens are going to be mediocre with the current mentality of the team.

As a Habs fan, I always enjoyed watching my team knock the Whalers out of the playoffs. There were a couple of scary series between the two. I'm all for a return of the Brass Bonanza boys, but being situated between Boston and New York leaves Hartford a non-priority for the NHL.

Being a billionaire tells you everything you need to know about them. They hoard and collect money on the assumption that they'll be able to take it with them when they die. So when a franchise isn't lining their pockets as much as they thought, or they're having to spend anything more than a penny out of their own pocket to run it....they push it away like rich kids who just saw a new iPhone just came out. God forbid you spend anything to build a new arena.... Nah lets make the taxpayers pay for it. (which these billionaires arent, because their money goes into off-shore accounts so they can collect more of it) Or else they'll throw a fit when they refuse to build one themselves while dangling the franchise over that areas population. Billionaires arent the solution. Theyre the problem.

The highest concern was cost cutting

Neither of which had anything to do with fan support. IN EIGHT SEASONS (8), the Atlanta Flames: -Had higher attendance than the Pittsburgh Penguins 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Chicago Blackhawks 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Detroit Redwings 4 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Los Angeles Kings4 seasons. In ELEVEN SEASONS (11), the Atlanta Thrashers: -Had higher attendance than the Phoenix Coyotes 8 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the New York Islanders 8 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the New Jersey Devils 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Anaheim Mighty Ducks 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Washington Capitals 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Nashville Predators 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than Chicago Blackhawks 5 seasons. There are currently three ownership groups who have plans to bring the NHL back to Atlanta. Three. It's going to happen.

It wasn’t a cause so let’s take that right out of the conversation

Facts

Well he cant obviously he hasnt hit puberty

That was when the games were being aired on Turner South.

LMAO. They failed for playing downtown? What a sad excuse for a pathetic city

@@tonyc8752 The makeup of downtown Atlanta is different than several North American cities, or at least it certainly was at the time. Some cities are extremely densely populated in the center (ironically enough, Winnipeg is the ultimate example, as the most recent study on urban density ranked Winnipeg *7th* in North America despite having less than 800,000 in the entire metro area). Atlanta, conversely, is among the more sprawled out metro areas--- There are *literally* 70 incorporated cities that make up metro Atlanta. And quite frankly, the *actual city* of Atlanta was probably one of the least populated with hockey fans of those 70 at the time (and might well still be now). Saying "it's a sad excuse for a pathetic city" is no different than saying Ottawa is a "sad excuse for a pathetic city" for the Sens' attendance problems for *not* playing downtown. Arena location is a key part of any smartly run franchise's strategy. And believe me, I love the city of Atlanta proper. No one more than me would love to say "it would work better downtown than OTP." But that's just not true.

@@brycemcneil4404 I appreciate the context. Is that why the highway system is horrible?

@tonyc8752 Plays a huge part, no doubt. Exits 240-250 are permanent rush hour some times of the year. 😅

​​@@tonyc8752 downtown population = black people They don't watch hockey. They watch basketball and football It's not a "sad excuse", it's just demographics.

If another hockey team comes to Georgia it's likely not going to be in the city of Atlanta. It's just too corrupt and too much of a political quagmire. You'd have to find a spot where land isn't insane, traffic isn't insane, and you're not negotiating with multiple counties on construction. Maybe you could do South of Atlanta but crime is a disaster there so who's going to come?

@@afhostie Listen, these are the areas where the team will likely be. It will never be south of Atlanta. 1) South Forsyth County (Krause Sports and Entertainment Group owns land, has received promises for funding, and has plans for the Arena with the Gathering at South Forsyth). 2) Alpharetta (7 miles south from the South Forsyth location. This is Atlanta Sports and Entertainment Group's plan. Anson Carter is heading this one up with plans from the City of Alpharetta to redevelop North Point Mall Site to include an entertainment complex and arena. 3) Cumberland/ New Northside Drive area. Close to Truist Park. 4) Perimeter Center area/Medical Center area. On MARTA rail line, in the northern suburbs, and very convenient for most of the fans. 5) Downtown. With the Gulch being redeveloped as part of Centennial Place, I could perhaps seeing them doing hockey back in State Farm Arena (Philips Arena), despite the changes for basketball. MARTA rail access. 6) Gwinnett County. Perhaps temporarily in Gas South Arena where the Atlanta Gladiators play.

the problem with people like you is that you're willing to relocate Canadian teams to "untapped markets" when hockey is never going to even come close to touching football, basketball or even baseball in general US sports culture. that's why us Canadian fans are upset with Bettman's (and the owners) insistent push to expand the league to markets LIKE Atlanta. how is the NHL going to survive in a non-hockey market with FOUR other major teams within the same market? THAT screams incompetence, not moving teams to Winnipeg where they're all but guaranteed to be the biggest money maker in town

@@Helvigster and the problem with people like you is that you don't realize that the BIG money is made in the top American Media Markets, not in small town Canada. You have any idea how many people live in a 100 mile radius of Atlanta? Or how much corporate presence is there? The Atlanta market can support all 5 sports teams easy. Not even a question. You are lucky that the NHL is this inept to begin with, otherwise Winnipeg would only have a Double-A hockey right now. That being said they will always be under the threat of relocation. And LOL at calling the Jets "guaranteed to be the biggest money maker in town"; How much are the Jets worth again compared to the other 31 teams? Check the Forbes list.

@@geoff3103 look friend, I won't deny that just in general, there's way more money to be made in the US compared to up here, partly because Americans just consume, consume, consume, and also because they have a way higher population. the NHL's problem is that they really messed up by pulling the plug on the Thrashers too early. since they left, an MLS team got awarded to Atlanta. isn't Atlanta's MLS team one of the most popular in the league now? and the fan support from what I could gather is actually really good. THAT could've been the Thrashers. the problem is that I fear it's too late. I get Atlanta has a high suburban population, but is the NHL really going to be able to compete with the NBA, NFL, MLB and now the MLS in a non-traditional hockey market? a new Atlanta team would have to have Vegas-like success early if they want to build a solid foundation. but anyway, I'm just tired of people like you, as disrespectful as it sounds. if the NHL did things your way, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver would be the only teams remaining north of the border and I, as well as lots of other people, would rightfully hate that. we're losing our own game to Americans for the sake of more money and it really sucks. let us be angry alright?

@@Helvigster naw, Alberta would still have NHL teams. PLENTY of people and money in that province, they ain't leaving unless their owners have SERIOUS financial problems, but i doubt that. Only team up there in danger is Winnipeg. Everyone else is safe. And Atlanta is big and rich enough to support NHL hockey. heck, if their 1st owner back in 1980 wasn't in the construction business or a business that got a hammered by high interest rates and energy costs Atlanta would still have the Flames. Calgary would also have a team too.

@@geoff3103 fair enough, I just get all flustered and worried is all. I'm kind of with you in regards to the NHL's sheer incompetence, they should really decide whether or not they're willing to drag dead weight in Winnipeg and Ottawa with them, or if they really want to go all in on trying to establish the game in the US. I think Atlanta would be fantastic for the NHL if they can find the right owners to lead them. again, I genuinely believe that all the fan success with Atlanta's MLS team could've been the Thrashers if they weren't so horribly ran by Atlanta Spirit. but if the new owners can right the previous wrong, all for it.

They'll be back within five years.

Well, when the team returns in the 2027-2029 time frame, which seems to be the plan, they won't be playing in the City of Atlanta, most likely, but rather a suburban area with competent leadership and access to the fan base. Think of the Braves success since they moved to the suburbs.

😂😂😂😂

What fans? There were no fans

​@@tonyc8752I miss the thrashers u know 😡

The fans are never the problem.

@@tonyc8752It wasn’t the fans. Like the Coyotes, the Thrashers’ main problem has always been ownership. Unlike Phoenix though, who has had multiple bad owners for 20 plus years, Atlanta just had Time Warner and the infamous Atlanta Spirit.

@@tonyc8752 "No fans," yet they consistently outdrew established hockey markets like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington, St. Louis, and NJ throughout the 2000's.

LMFAO STRONGLY DISAGREE

They were a minor league team

What??

Manon Rheaume

@@jbj7599The Atlanta Knights played in the International Hockey League from 1992-96. They won the 1994 Turner Cup. After leaving Atlanta, the team played for two seasons as the Quebec Rafales.

@@veggieoilerfan2940 👍

If there is another chance you might have much more hope. Anson Carter wants a team and he played hockey and will put a team in the suburbs. That’s gonna help for stability. The other group is also looking at a similar area.

@@gbalph4 There are three ownership groups vying for the team which makes it likely at this point. Carter's group, however, has a late start to Vernon Krause's group.

@@willp.8120 regardless it does seem that all of these groups are much more serious about keeping the Thrashers healthy than Atlanta Spirit ever did. I can only hope it stays that way.

New Orleans where did you come up with that?

Forget about New Orleans. The market is saturated by the NFL and NBA and hockey is never popular among the crack-cocaine crowd.

Really? Then obviously you must think that anything five percent or higher is majority black. Much of the northern suburbs is under 20 percent black, and a lot of that area lower than 8% black. The mountains are at one percent or less black, over 90% white. Most of southeast Georgia is majority white.

no

Why leave a comment like this, fuckstick?

The reason it failed was incompetent, apathetic and litigious ownership. Thrashers outdrew the Blackhawks, Bruins and Penguins some years despite the arena being in a bad location. I think hockey in Atlanta makes sense.

Did you watch the video my dawg? The jets are 3rd to last in attendance and have had a playoff teams in 6 of the last seven years lmao

@@ethanzakrewski6090 The Jets being third-to-last is misleading because first of all, their arena has a small capacity to begin with. Second of all, it's always been (and remains) a higher priced ticket to compensate for the market's small size (and lack of major league competition). 13K fans attending a Jets game almost certainly brings more gate revenue than 18K attending a Florida Panthers game. That's not to excuse the market for its recent attendance downturn, mind you. The team clearly sat on its marketing laurels and coming out of COVID found a much different environment than going in. The owner has been very forthright about the limitations of the market and that the franchise wouldn't exist without the revenue sharing plan. That was known going in. However to @NeilAllen507 I say, the third Atlanta attempt will be nothing like the first two, it's like comparing putting two teams in Richmond Hill in the 1900s/early 2000s and then finally trying downtown Toronto in 2024. That is to say, much much different than it appears on the surface.

You don't understand just how large the Atlanta area is, then.

@@willp.8120 I lived there when the team first started. Poorly managed, poorly promoted from the get go. But now a curious group of minority investors wants in and the league is going to put another team there. I think hockey can and should work in a metro area the size of ATL. But a lot of people would be pissed by the third times the charm aspect to it all

this is not fast u have a issue his voice is annoying but to fast .... that's a problem with your brain