HYDRAULIC PRESS VS TITANIUM BOLTS

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Crazy Hydraulic Press

Crazy Hydraulic Press

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Let's compare the strength of titanium bolts, a Chinese cheap bolt, and a bolt used in the space industry

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@billyc2572
@billyc2572 Рік тому
Its not that titanium is going to hold that much more tonnage. It's that it'll hold the same tonnage while being half the weight of steel
@brendontompa-clinch2306
@brendontompa-clinch2306 Рік тому
Bingo
@JayRSwan
@JayRSwan Рік тому
💯
@helium-379
@helium-379 Рік тому
Probably would have been the choice of armor for the ultra ultra rich if gunpowder was never invented.
@helium-379
@helium-379 Рік тому
Or it could work even better as a mele weapon due to its lighweight characteristics.
@user-cd5fm3hh9k
@user-cd5fm3hh9k Рік тому
@@helium-379 Titanium doesn't hold an edge well. Its too soft for edged weapons, steel in this regard is better in everything except weight
@JoeJ-8282
@JoeJ-8282 Рік тому
It would've helped if at the end of this video you put up a chart or listing ranking the various bolt types in both shear off strength and linear pull strength, from best to worst, along with all of the associated failure values so we could study and compare all of the results all together, side by side in a list form for at least 30 seconds or so.
@ctdieselnut
@ctdieselnut Рік тому
This.
@ggale2721
@ggale2721 Рік тому
Agreed..
@sergioguiguet
@sergioguiguet Рік тому
No lo puede hacer porque no es la forma correcta de hacer ensayos de rotura de materiales; incluso las maquinas especificas a tal fin realizan la curva carga/deformacion/rotura
@nationalsocialism3504
@nationalsocialism3504 Рік тому
Russia has the best titanium in the world... what they use on their spacecraft is the best of that best. The Soviets at one point had a whole giant vacuum fabrication facility to make titanium submarine hulls... it was a giant waste of time/resources but the engineering & fabricating processes still make them the best in the world (like Taiwan with chip production... wherein the most bleeding edge becomes almost Guild Master/Alchemist that can only be reproduced within those labs by those masters who pass on this unlearnable aspect to the head apprentices.) Same reason why everything collapsed in America cause those original labs/fabrication facilities with those old masters were shut down and they have to be essentially built from the ground up again
@GraniteInTheFace
@GraniteInTheFace Рік тому
This so can some do that for us in the comment section
@yelyab1
@yelyab1 10 місяців тому
In a few tests you can see the head of the bolt moving well before any yield, meaning bolt has not been properly torqued. Stresses accumulate differently when you have combined stresses and strains. It is always important to torque to specification. As a design engineer we were instructed to avoid putting bolts in single shear or shear at all. Shear stress in steel is traditionally lower than tensile yield strength. Some preferred practices were not being used in these tests.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 місяців тому
Exactly which makes the tests pretty much useless..
@justinhoward1406
@justinhoward1406 5 місяців тому
Glad that someone else noticed that 😮 You should always double check everything especially if you get a result you didn’t expect, make sure that it wasn’t a fault of your testing.
@dannyball2503
@dannyball2503 4 місяці тому
There are definitely methods ASTM ! I believe it was American Standards Testing Materials
@skullfracture2
@skullfracture2 3 місяці тому
Bolts are not designed to be used in shear, that’s what pins are for. If they do get used in shear, they should be used in a double shear at the minimum and only the unthreaded portion of the fastener otherwise the bolt will fail at the small diameter in the bottom of the thread root.
@idontwantacallsign
@idontwantacallsign 2 місяці тому
​@@skullfracture2exactly
@jasonarthur6602
@jasonarthur6602 Рік тому
For any accident investigators out there, it might be interesting if you showed a magnified image the bolt surface after the sheer and tear failures.
@Enonymouse_
@Enonymouse_ Рік тому
way back now but one of the things they taught new crew chiefs going into the US military was the different forces applied to fasteners, structural components and what those forces look like in action.
@bigdevil73
@bigdevil73 Рік тому
Every technology lab has extra equipment for pulling or shearing forces and doesn't play in the garage with old press lol these are standard tests in the industry
@teeanahera8949
@teeanahera8949 6 місяців тому
*shear
@TellenJones
@TellenJones Місяць тому
Would also like to see how much each one costs.
@1234567890CAB
@1234567890CAB Рік тому
My biggest criticism is that you kept mixing up the comparative values on the screen. For example at the end you tested the Chinese titanium then put up the value for the grade 8.8 bolt but labeled it Titanium for Spaceship. Then again when you tested the 12.9 bolt you put up a different value but labeled it Titanium for Spaceship again.
@mrdot1126
@mrdot1126 Рік тому
maybe he just made a mistake?
@williamkiss-reynolds1530
@williamkiss-reynolds1530 Рік тому
Yoooo was confuzzled too man
@rixogtr
@rixogtr Рік тому
Agree, it's a bit chaotic.
@B4Astudios
@B4Astudios Рік тому
Same observation... Ruins the video for me. Still fun to watch tho
@khalid969
@khalid969 Рік тому
Yes. It was extremely confusing.
@marshallwilliams4054
@marshallwilliams4054 Рік тому
Nice job setting up the rig for your tensile strength test. Two things would’ve been nice to see: 1) during the sheer test, that the initial loading for each bolt was uniform. You could’ve done this with a torque wrench. 2) also very much would’ve like to have seen a close-up shot of the broken surface
@janeblogs324
@janeblogs324 Рік тому
Exactly. The shear strength of the bolt and 2 components is related to the clamping force
@thedarkmage7373
@thedarkmage7373 Рік тому
Idk if the thread pitch was even the same. Same torque value to to bolts with different thread pitch results in different clamping force.
@marshallwilliams4054
@marshallwilliams4054 Рік тому
@@thedarkmage7373 I didn’t even pay attention to that. Valid point.
@AllenMemeson
@AllenMemeson Рік тому
Project Farm vibes from this comment
@ObservationofLimits
@ObservationofLimits Рік тому
Actually you'd also want a test with their rated torque for each class. Over or under torquing per the material would give incorrect results
@vincenttrottier6053
@vincenttrottier6053 Рік тому
Worked for a foundry that produces areospace/medical titanium parts. Some of the suppliers where chinese, they produce good materials. Only issue with the cheaper bolt is the coloring, it indicated the presence on alphacase on the surface of the parts. Alphacase is very brittle so it cause problems for cyclic loads overtime (small cracks will form and weaken the part). Alphacase is formed when titanium is heated since it reacts with oxigen. Alphacase needs to be etched off the surface using hf acid for a quality part, the coloring indicates that the etching process was not properly done. Hope this info helps/clarifies for someone.
@MarineScoutSniper
@MarineScoutSniper 14 днів тому
Both of these bolts are Class 5.
@nickback6294
@nickback6294 Рік тому
"Do not repeat at home". Thanks for the warning, I might have been tempted to try this on the industrial hydraulic press I happen to have lying around 😂
@bigdarbs19
@bigdarbs19 2 місяці тому
Ha, agreed, if I had a hydraulic press and load cells this is exactly wghat I would be doing at home!
@RickyLee53
@RickyLee53 Рік тому
You need to torque the bolts. In the sheer test friction of the plates plays a huge part in the strength.
@mezodani
@mezodani Рік тому
Came here to mention this
@michaelaguilar3601
@michaelaguilar3601 Рік тому
Exactly…
@shardlake
@shardlake Рік тому
Agree, came to say the same.
@keilet
@keilet Рік тому
It's not friction, it's applying the proper preload for the fastener to perform as it's designed to. That said this entire "test" has so many sloppy variable that it can hardly be considered reliable. XD
@wokewokerman5280
@wokewokerman5280 Рік тому
...so does the wallowing out of the holes after each test putting the different bolts in different shear and bending situations...OK vid for a goofy comparison but must list the type and grade of the bolts correctly - so thumbs down
@Postghost
@Postghost Рік тому
For people wondering why cheap Chinese bolts might be stronger than the space bolts - the main attribute of a space bolt would be its weight over its strength. The bolt would rate just as strong as it requires to avoid being disproportionately strong for its needs, thus: heavier than it could have otherwise been. You can bet the bolts were manufactured exactly within strength capability witin specific thresholds, in order to allow for as much enhanced weight reduction property as possible.
@tslim250
@tslim250 Рік тому
This is the absolute correct answer. I've worked with aerospace stuff and everything boils down to the exact required strength to weight ratio. No overkill can be afforded with them otherwise they wouldn't make it off the ground. Everything is calculated down to the nm
@mengguangwang
@mengguangwang Рік тому
They were weighted at the beginning of the video FYI
@Bundalaba
@Bundalaba Рік тому
In other words for construction builds Steel whilst having Chinese Titanium bolts at vital parts is beyond plenty
@davek88
@davek88 Рік тому
You answered my unposted question very well, and I appreciate that. Thank you!
@williammeek4078
@williammeek4078 Рік тому
@@mengguangwang not the chinese bolt.
@mahsheenman
@mahsheenman Рік тому
Thread pitch, bolt diameter, the torque used to assemble your fixture, the exact alloy of each bolt , the rigidity of the testing fixture, etc. all come into play here. I guess what I'm saying is that it would have been nice to have some more control metrics used and displayed in your video (besides bolt mass and general material type).
@GTOGregory
@GTOGregory 7 місяців тому
I agree! A fine thread pitch allows for more thread contact and in turn more strength.
@karlm9584
@karlm9584 4 місяці тому
Also depends on where the point of failure is. Most likely at the threads. Finer threads aren't as deep therefore cross-sectional area will be larger.
@krusher74
@krusher74 17 днів тому
with 6.6mil views this video could have made over $30,000. they probably don't care
@mahsheenman
@mahsheenman 17 днів тому
​@krusher74 true but I commented when there was more like 600 views...
@stealthimaster8583
@stealthimaster8583 Рік тому
I remember QC testing 12.9 fasteners in the tensile test, the machine would hop about 4 inches off the ground when it would break and it was a damn heavy machine. Another test QC would do was tap a 1/4 plate with multiple holes and screw bolts and screws into it and torque them down to a certain over loaded level and leave them for a week, sometimes the head would pop off and shoot across the room.
@johnmoser2689
@johnmoser2689 Рік тому
I work on metal stamping dies, and we use 12.9 bolts as standard. I've used some supertanium bolts and have never had one fail, but one of the key issues to consider is the diameter of the fastener being used. Often, the best solution is stepping up to the next size bigger. When breakage occurs the designed fasteners might not have been enough for the load Really like this type of video, a final chart on a dry erase board comparing results, would've been nice.
@somuchbs6008
@somuchbs6008 Рік тому
That’s quite possibly the longest sentence I’ve ever read.
@johnmoser2689
@johnmoser2689 Рік тому
@@somuchbs6008 I'm not a wordsmith sorry if it wasn't English teacher approved Life is too short for all that damn punctuation
@richardv9648
@richardv9648 Рік тому
I have used inconel X-750 for a forging die ejection pin mechanism. All imported from China. It worked beautifully. Toolig lasted for nearly 2 years in production. The pin it self was 16 mm in dia and 150 mm in lenght. Die operated at 500 C. had cooling and heating cycles too. Best part, the pin was 1/4 the price an American company quoted me.
@jonathanorendain9605
@jonathanorendain9605 Рік тому
Yes, I'm working as an Engineering staff, and we design machines, and yes in drawings, the plans, we use diameter 7 for a bolt of M6 for the same issue you've stated
@mattpatt
@mattpatt Рік тому
It's a useful point that instead of going up a fastener grade simply go to the next diamater. It's pretty much an axiom saying that if breakage occurs then the fasteners were not enough for the load ;)
@markanthonystringfellow3923
@markanthonystringfellow3923 Рік тому
Bravo!!! Class 12.9 bolts are often used when prolonged use under harsh loads risks stretching the bolt rather than breaking it which is why very specific torque settings are required, A good example is Cylinder Head bolts on an engine that need to expand/contract and still remain tight avoiding cylinder head failure :-))
@el_kuks
@el_kuks Рік тому
Days of 12.9 class bolts on cylinder heads are gone. Most cars of current century use 8.8 class bolts for cylinder heads. Torque spec is close to yield limit of bolt, so bolt acts as a spring and provides more consistent clamping force under different temperature related expansions of cylinder head
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 Рік тому
@@el_kuks "Stretch bolts" that aren't supposed to be re-used.
@teeanahera8949
@teeanahera8949 6 місяців тому
If a bolt is stretched it is a failure and should be binned. It will no longer have much strength.
@bobkenehan7541
@bobkenehan7541 Рік тому
This content wasn’t meant to show a “fair” comparison apples to apples. It was “engineered” to showcase Chinese quality and change perceptions of Chinese metal parts being of inferior quality. This is a PR piece.
@MrDiscountNinja
@MrDiscountNinja Рік тому
Would second an interest in seeing the failed bolt surfaces - a ductile failure of the bolt compared to striping the thread is an interesting comparison. I'd also be very interested to see polished and etched microsections - how do the compositions and heat treatments (obviously, if any) vary? Even the quality of the machining on the thread would be an interesting factor, though I'll admit that's probably too much effort for a UKposts video.
@schsch2390
@schsch2390 Рік тому
Haven't read all the comments but some bolts have threads at the gap between the two plates and some are solid, no threads. Threads will weaken the bolt in shear at the thread compared with the unthreaded shaft of the bolt.
@kamerslammer
@kamerslammer Рік тому
I came here to leave a similar comment but found yet again, great minds think alike.
@dharveyftw7349
@dharveyftw7349 Рік тому
The bolts that have a full length thread are called set screws, bolts are partially threaded
@MAd_TV
@MAd_TV Рік тому
The shear test should be done with a flat peace of steel between 2 supports, torqued with A torque wrench. This will give you 2 shear areas, but no momentum on the screws. Also the friction between the plates will be identical fir comparison. I believe in the first test the chinese titanium screw showed a better value because it was not only applied with shear force, but also with tension because the plate was already pushed away…
@marceloshimomura5000
@marceloshimomura5000 Рік тому
for sure
@Toxic_rnr
@Toxic_rnr Рік тому
He also used the threaded portion of the fastener which is slightly smaller and weaker
@decrepit9357
@decrepit9357 Рік тому
Truly unfair comparison. Space bolt had washers (clearly softer metal) and a nut adding leverage against bolt. Fastening nut should be flush as with chinese titanium bolt.
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 10 місяців тому
My father was an commercial aircraft mechanic and salvaged a lot of the fasteners that were replaced. We used them on various mechanical projects and automotive uses like exhaust bolts. Whatever materials they were made of, they never rusted or stripped, super strong.
@teeanahera8949
@teeanahera8949 6 місяців тому
A bloke I knew worked for Scania (trucks) and he kept some bolts and stuff. You could put a spanner on those and screw them into the appropriate sized hole in steel and not bother tapping a thread first! They don’t rust and you can’t weld them (accidentally got too close to one bolt but the weld didn’t take).
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 2 місяці тому
... a* commercial airdraft mechanic
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 2 місяці тому
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Good thing you chimed in. People must have been so confused by my typo.
@coloradodirtbike5930
@coloradodirtbike5930 19 днів тому
​@egoequus6263 i was very confused I'm glad he explained what you were trying to type
@Annon89
@Annon89 6 місяців тому
I have a question about those shear tests. Did you torque them to spec for specific steel or titanium and have the same torque specs for each? Only asking because the bolts are much stronger when torqued when applying to sheer strength. I believe tension strength is improved as well but I haven’t specifically looked into that in the past.
@javierpiles5833
@javierpiles5833 Рік тому
Would be great a sheet at the end of the video showing all the results. It's easyer to compare it. Thanks for the video!
@TransAmDrifter
@TransAmDrifter Рік тому
Thought about it too.
@rdklarnet4120
@rdklarnet4120 Рік тому
It’s just satisfying seeing seemingly indestructible stuff break.
@East-somewhere
@East-somewhere Рік тому
Nothing in this video is purported to be indestructible. You need a better grasp on reality.
@rdklarnet4120
@rdklarnet4120 Рік тому
@@East-somewhere i just claimed they were 'seemingly' indestructible...nothing is indestructible...there is always something bigger, and stronger, or smaller and more pervasive...i prefer to not grasp reality at all since the fundamental state of reality is to always change.
@tgnuma2
@tgnuma2 Рік тому
@@East-somewhere You need a better grasp on a personality.
@professorgoat1099
@professorgoat1099 Рік тому
@@East-somewhere nice gaslight. my mang said "seemingly." dont ever invite this edgy clown to a party.
@Darkforces817
@Darkforces817 9 місяців тому
There are many grades of Titanium. We have no idea what is being tested here.
@Dangerously_Satisfying
@Dangerously_Satisfying 15 днів тому
He is testing from what the label says., what’s the best grade …………..?
@MarineScoutSniper
@MarineScoutSniper 14 днів тому
These bolts are Class 5.
@todd5082
@todd5082 Рік тому
I agree with all the posters below who said put up a final chart with all the results side by side.
@nick_vash
@nick_vash Рік тому
You shouldn't forget that titanium alloy was designed to stay stable under high and low temperatures when most types of steel become more brittle or plastic.
@thedarkmage7373
@thedarkmage7373 Рік тому
Also strength to weight ratio
@someguy5035
@someguy5035 Рік тому
And corrosion resistance.
@cruzsanchez3647
@cruzsanchez3647 Рік тому
I think that when you do your tests you should get a torque wrench and torque the bolts to a specific torque. Because it may make a difference if the bolts are not torqued the same. That would make your video's more accurate.
@thedarkmage7373
@thedarkmage7373 Рік тому
And match thread pitch
@GrantOakes
@GrantOakes Рік тому
Torque doesn't appear to be necessary since they're pulling against a nut and the threads, not 2 flush plates.
@GTOGregory
@GTOGregory 7 місяців тому
I appreciate your test. It would be great to test three different ARP bolts. The 8740, the 2000 and the L19. It would not be comparing the ARP bolts to other kinds or brands, so maybe the legalities are reduced.
@josephc1148
@josephc1148 Рік тому
Would be cool to see this done with better controls. All bolts same diameter. Same threads. Torqued to the same spec or maybe “optimal” spec for the given material.
@tmvideoproduktionen
@tmvideoproduktionen Рік тому
Why am I watching this at all? It is so satisfying and I don't know why.
@alleycat19897
@alleycat19897 Рік тому
The torque in to the bolt is a very important variable to the resistence of your assembly. A 10.9 class bolt may resist much less than a 8.8 (same dimensions) if not enough torque is given.
@xistsixt
@xistsixt Рік тому
Thx, just wanted to write that! That's a very crucial factor, as well as the surface condition of the connecting plates.
@thedarkmage7373
@thedarkmage7373 Рік тому
I doubt that would matter. this seems like the type of guy that didn't even match thread pitch.
@HeadHunter-cu7yw
@HeadHunter-cu7yw Місяць тому
Why titanium for spaceship is weaker than aliexpress bolts?
@suhy9861
@suhy9861 19 днів тому
Thats not how titanium works, titanium is lighter than steel, but similar strength, the aliexpress bolts arent oure titanium and have other alloys in them to make it cheaper to produce, but they are about the same weigh as steel, not titanium, making them useless
@MrWizardjr9
@MrWizardjr9 16 днів тому
Probably optimized for weight VS optimized for strength
@Ordinal_Yoda
@Ordinal_Yoda 9 днів тому
Nasa still thinks light "travels". What do expect from them? They need a bit more Einstien to wake up.
@spudnickuk
@spudnickuk 11 місяців тому
Amazing to see the strengths of those bolts, but would of been nice to have the results listed.
@tenshinty2231
@tenshinty2231 Рік тому
Wow. AliExpress bolts exceeded my expectations. Space bolt is lightweight not entirely titanium but a composite or alloy
@callmejon
@callmejon Рік тому
not a true test, need to have the same spec, same weight, etc...
@jayjaysylvester560
@jayjaysylvester560 Рік тому
@@callmejon 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
@SimonLandryMusic
@SimonLandryMusic 7 місяців тому
Yep, grade 5 or Ti6AL4V
@macbook802
@macbook802 7 місяців тому
Don't trust this channel's results. The format is crap
@rimfire2642
@rimfire2642 Рік тому
Shocked that the AliExpress bolts performed as well as they did. I figured they'd be filled with rabbit turds or something (like fake cigarettes a few years ago).
@NaturalBBler
@NaturalBBler Рік тому
@Baldspot How old are you ? 100 ? 😅
@PeterBee911
@PeterBee911 Рік тому
@Baldspot My dad was born in the 50's and he never heard that "Made in Japan" meant junk. Although you are right, the West underestimate China way too much.
@TempAccount358
@TempAccount358 Рік тому
I think that quality itself isn't necessarily the issue when the product in fact matches the description of the seller on AliExpress. The problem is that regulation on such platforms is often bad, so there is no guarantee that a titanium bolt is indeed made of 100% titanium.
@SeanONilbud
@SeanONilbud Рік тому
Wow what a surprise that fatmericans are xenophobic racist twats.
@guillermoflores7030
@guillermoflores7030 Рік тому
@@TempAccount358 That's true that many specifications are overrated in a wide variety of products sold there.
@johnkrongos4512
@johnkrongos4512 8 місяців тому
Using a huge spacer on the space bolt made a huge variable. I’d get full threaded bolts same size and repeat torqued to say 40ftlbs.
@gregrowe1168
@gregrowe1168 Рік тому
These relatively tiny bolts are incredibly strong is what I get from this video. Even the smaller ones take almost 2 metric tons of force to break. That’s about the weight of a mid sized pickup truck like a Chevy Colorado or Toyota Tacoma.
@timfeeley714-25
@timfeeley714-25 Рік тому
The tear test is known as tensile strength, as in under tension. You could have also done a bend test along with the shear test.
@jeanvanrooyen6004
@jeanvanrooyen6004 Рік тому
I am guessing titanium would suck literal engineering balls in that bend test. It would take PLENTY to bend it but it wont bend much
@user-im2tk4mr6f
@user-im2tk4mr6f Рік тому
От степени затяжки резьбы много зависит, динамометрический ключ нужен.
@andersonleal5832
@andersonleal5832 Рік тому
ты прав. Привет из Бразилии
@channelname10yearsago68
@channelname10yearsago68 15 днів тому
if you're wondering why titanium made in china has more shearing capacity, the reason is because it's straining unlike the other one. This is probably because of the faulty testing equipment. The bracket isn't supposed to let the bolt rotate but the Chinese bolt rotated a bit. Edit: Rewatched the whole thing again. Might just be the bolt tolerances allowing the nut to move a bit causing the loose bolt connection under shearing stress
@NotaRealScientist
@NotaRealScientist Рік тому
You should hire a new editor
@AwoudeX
@AwoudeX Рік тому
Just wondering, what is the rate of metal fatigue for both alloys? The weight and that should be the biggest factors for choice using it in a space craft
@technics6215
@technics6215 Рік тому
Well, weight is very important too when you want to make flying or space screws :)
@MsLiextreme
@MsLiextreme Рік тому
More test like this please😉
@MichaelLombardo-rx8gv
@MichaelLombardo-rx8gv Рік тому
The only downside to Ti bolts is that you need cadmium free tools to work on the Ti parts or else the cadmium corrodes the Ti. I worked at Viking Metallurical Corp, they make Ti jet engine parts and learned about this gift from space.
@2A.Isaach
@2A.Isaach 5 місяців тому
I would have liked to see the same tests with you torquing them to the same spec. With and without anti seize or another thread prep. Very cool though.
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 Рік тому
In the first series, that hole in the shear plate just about had to be picking up a rounded edge .
@Hari-Singh
@Hari-Singh Рік тому
Great fun to watch. Thanks for such an interesting comparison of the strength of bolts made of different metals both by way of lateral tension and shear force
@dash-cae9618
@dash-cae9618 Рік тому
Space bolts look to have an MSO2 coating, whilst the Chinese version have an anodised finished. This wouls prevent hauling and ensure that when torquing the correct preload is induced. No lubrication can weekend the bolts ability to take a load.
@DIOcelot
@DIOcelot Рік тому
Thank you. I came across this video as I was researching which bolt is best to hold the fartcan exhaust on my Honda civic. 👍🏽
@cristianmoyaromero1329
@cristianmoyaromero1329 Рік тому
When watching an hydraulic press working is more interesting than 90% of the UKposts content these day...
@someguy5035
@someguy5035 Рік тому
95%
@bikebasket9594
@bikebasket9594 Рік тому
Never go into space with just one bolt.
@nyxawesome9409
@nyxawesome9409 7 місяців тому
At the end can you list the results please. Also, what's with the music, starting ones were so ominous?
@David..
@David.. 6 місяців тому
I use the Chitanium bolts for the DB killer on my bike. The T30 bolts show no signs of strippage whereas the 4mm hex bolts that they replaced where dangerously close to stripping after two track days.
@janeblogs324
@janeblogs324 Рік тому
2:28 you can see light/gap under the head of the bolt. You need a washer or a chamfered edge. The head of the bolt is being point loaded, a big no no
@sekovittol3124
@sekovittol3124 Рік тому
I really feel the pressure watching stuff like this. Pressing matters...
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 Рік тому
I felt like it was a weight off my shoulders to be honest!
@Billy-No-Mates-ol8nx
@Billy-No-Mates-ol8nx 13 днів тому
I like the disclaimer at the beginning "do not try this at home", because we've all got a ten ton+ stress tester at home?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@DavidElse-hm7xo
@DavidElse-hm7xo День тому
I've got sixteen bolts and two titanium plates holding me together. No complaints about said material.
@ivandenisovich6005
@ivandenisovich6005 Рік тому
A better comparison would be to use two bolts of equal weight rather than the same size. That would show the relative strength vs weight. Titanium has an advantage in being lighter and does not rust, even in saltwater.
@burakoshimazaki
@burakoshimazaki Рік тому
Some values worth taking into account: oxidative stress, heat stress and how both of those affect elastic and plastic deformation. I imagine the space use titanium can handle both values better than the cheap titanium as that is the environment they need to be designed to tolerate. (High G stress and atmospheric friction).
@IOD_
@IOD_ Рік тому
High G stress and atmospheric friction HAVE ZERO to do with anything regarding these bolts. In fact high G stress isnt even a thing regarding mechanical fasteners. Its got to do with a persons ability to withstand high G's. Atmospheric friction..lmfao you dug deep for that nonsense. We dont engineer nor test bolts factors that do not apply. Ask me how i know.
@arstgera
@arstgera 9 місяців тому
​@@IOD_I'm curkous how do you know?
@thunderamu9543
@thunderamu9543 9 місяців тому
I like the way you set up that shear test!
@CBXrr
@CBXrr 17 днів тому
The Chinese bolts sold on ebay/ aliexpress are normally grade 5 which is 6% aluminum and 4% vanadium. The chinese also sell the grade 2 titanium bolts. Which is not an alloy and is dull grey color.
@999benhonda
@999benhonda Рік тому
Honestly, the most shocking thing was that a space shuttle has flat head hardware.
@milkisgood4us
@milkisgood4us Рік тому
i think it is used due to it has less air restriction.
@mazchen
@mazchen Рік тому
In the picture of the clip was no space shuttle but the soviet version.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 Рік тому
I think it's not the head type but the grade of titanium used. Regardless of what the the tightening interface is it's more that this will be the same material type.
@selekolela8805
@selekolela8805 Рік тому
Actually the Allie bolts did quite well considering the price
@Nico_Dica
@Nico_Dica Рік тому
Hmmm so.. different bolts of different materials, size, width and torque applied to will have different strenghts. How accurate this test was ! I am amazed !
@membershipmovement
@membershipmovement 5 місяців тому
This is what Dad did when he worked on the Titan IV rocket platform at Cape Canaveral. He was responsible for the stress analysis of the bolts for the launch assembly. The Cassini spacecraft was one of his projects.
@ChuPiGroSo678
@ChuPiGroSo678 Рік тому
You should have used a torque wrench for this experiment, in order to compare fairly these bolts. When tightened adequetly, all the cutting force turns to traction tensions. Failing to evenly torque bolts, could lead to uneven results
@dasmith1723
@dasmith1723 Рік тому
and if your measuring things equally, using a spacer changes the stretch of the bolt .
@minercraftal
@minercraftal Рік тому
Been heard titanium is weak on impact and good at handling high heat, so the test result is more than I expected. And I wonder, doesn’t the manufacturer give the standard, of how much force the bolts are designed to handle? …
@SoMuchFacepalm
@SoMuchFacepalm Рік тому
Yeah, this guy is just checking the numbers. Also those numbers are what the manufacturers are sure their product can handle, not what it will.
@minercraftal
@minercraftal Рік тому
@@SoMuchFacepalm does these numbers indicate the tons it’s purposed to handle? I don’t really get it, not enough information
@SoMuchFacepalm
@SoMuchFacepalm Рік тому
@@minercraftal pretty sure he's using kilos in the counter in the corner.
@ristube3319
@ristube3319 4 місяці тому
I have Scheuermann’s disease and needed my spine fused. 20 screws 2 rods and 2 connectors at top and bottom. They’re about the length shown 3” or so.
@JimPekarek
@JimPekarek 5 місяців тому
Would be nice to see a chart comparing strength to weight for all of them. Also, not torqueing them all down identically skews the data.
@sergi_ksv5241
@sergi_ksv5241 Рік тому
А условие одинаковой осевой затяжки деталек при тесте на "срез/смятие" в отверстии соблел? нет тогда по деталям машин садись 2, усилие затяжки повлияет на силы трения которые надо будет сначала "преодолеть" так еще и пары трения титан сталь не равны между собой по умолчанию, потому что тест на растяжение показал совсем другой запас прочности + гайки тоже надо брать равного класса, чтоб смятие витков было аналогичным с болтом, а то будет как с 12.9 - витки гайки остались на "дико каленом" болту, которые вообще запрещены в машиностроении, так как "лопаются" а не тянутся в случае разрушения, а так для обывателя "красиво", спасибо за ролики)
@chlonitazene
@chlonitazene Рік тому
12 й класс закален и подвержен определенному отпуску, такой болт не хрупкий, но имеет повышенный предел текучести (0.9) относительно сопротивлению на разрыв, и сталь в таких болтах как минимум 40Х, а это уже не ст3.
@KevinnSunyer143
@KevinnSunyer143 Рік тому
@@chlonitazene Eso es verdad. Bien visto señorita.
@justinwatkins3500
@justinwatkins3500 Рік тому
Of course they use flathead screws on a spaceship. Those won't ever come out.
@garrykennedy5484
@garrykennedy5484 Рік тому
😅🤣😂🤣😅
@andrewholdaway813
@andrewholdaway813 Рік тому
No more likely than any other
@justinwatkins3500
@justinwatkins3500 Рік тому
@@andrewholdaway813 you've obviously never used a flathead screwdriver on flathead screws before.
@andrewholdaway813
@andrewholdaway813 Рік тому
@@justinwatkins3500 Just trying to find out wth you meant. Maybe they don't want them to be removed?
@SPHYNX99752
@SPHYNX99752 Рік тому
Yeah, next best thing to security head bolts.. especially if the loctite them with the green loctite by mistake.
@mathijszwier6026
@mathijszwier6026 Рік тому
Early deformation of the cheap titanium bolts shifts the force from shear to more tensile, appearing to make it stronger.
@zacbranham7772
@zacbranham7772 Рік тому
Not only is weight reduction considered, also the strength characteristics at the extreme temperatures regarding outer space and re-entry. Grade 8.8 bolts become very soft at only 800-900 degrees F., Very brittle below -100 F.
@brudel001
@brudel001 Рік тому
Can we just appreciate how strong all the materials are? I mean you can pretty much hang an SUV on one of those bolts and they are not even some big and thick ones.
@ChrisRWilcox
@ChrisRWilcox Рік тому
The beauty of steel and alloy products are their tensile strength. If you could hold onto it, several people could hang from a coke can, though one heavy foot is enough to crush it. Of course, concrete is the opposite, which is why they are a brilliant construction product when combined.
@masyakka
@masyakka Рік тому
Genuine titanium is capable of withstanding MUCH more pressure and load. Processing titanium is a challenging process.
@andreasfjellborg1810
@andreasfjellborg1810 Рік тому
High quality steel with the right hardness is still stronger than the best titanium alloy, titanium is used for weight reduction and corrosion resistance without giving up to much when it comes to strength.
@richardv9648
@richardv9648 Рік тому
@@andreasfjellborg1810 You are right. my boss at a titanium forging plant used to say "CP-Titanium is only as good as 316 Stainless in strenght but with much lower weight. There are stronger metals, such as nickle alloys that will beat titanium any day in strenght.
@Phuong_Nguyen_
@Phuong_Nguyen_ 7 місяців тому
Needed to do one more, a bolt made by arp with their strongest alloy.
@BrandonBruman
@BrandonBruman 11 місяців тому
Looking at strength numbers can tell a small part of the story. Stress vs strain curves would be much more interesting to investigate.
@Deemah.cr3
@Deemah.cr3 Рік тому
Crazy how strong the Chinesium actually was
@johnh8615
@johnh8615 Рік тому
Not all titanium bolts are 100% titanium.. they are an alloy and pure titanium is very malleable (soft).
@fontrogetcyprien681
@fontrogetcyprien681 Рік тому
Ti CP Ti 3Al 2.5V Ti 6Al 5V
@davidcheung8595
@davidcheung8595 Рік тому
@@fontrogetcyprien681 Ti6AL4V
@freevipservers
@freevipservers Рік тому
No titanium is pretty hard for a pure metal but it's properties are bad. Kinda brittle.
@macbook802
@macbook802 7 місяців тому
Don't trust this channel's results. The format is crap
@birdwah01
@birdwah01 7 місяців тому
only problem was the sheer point on space shuttle bolt was more than double the other bolts due to shallow thread length had to space with another nut and a bunch of washers pushing sheer point way out effectively making a fulcrum
@theblackbear211
@theblackbear211 6 місяців тому
Other factors to consider is that this is a room temperature test. Titanium performs better at high temperatures than most steels do, the intended use is another factor in decided which material is appropriate. Titanium is also less susceptible to most types of corrosion than steel is.
@arttellama2408
@arttellama2408 Рік тому
Don't just compare values of force applied on each bolt. They can be of different cross sectional area. The strength value should be in psi (pounds per square inch of cross section area) of shear, tension or compression.
@cluasa
@cluasa Рік тому
not in most if the world! kPa?
@Jousten16
@Jousten16 Рік тому
Nobody with half a working brain cell measures anything in PSI...
@Flops_404
@Flops_404 Рік тому
Titanium bolt : 6 tones Rust thing * brokes * Titanium bolt : chill
@codename3299
@codename3299 Місяць тому
These are the kind of hydraulic tests we need as opposed to crushing precious food and destroying environmentally hazardous stuff
@brunovazquez1
@brunovazquez1 6 місяців тому
So you’re telling my Chinese titanium bolts I have for decorative purpose are these strong ? 😂
@user-ji3do2ye4f
@user-ji3do2ye4f Рік тому
Самые крепкие болты, которые я встречал - это на буровых каретках "Sandvik". На них написано 14,9.
@ironqqq
@ironqqq Рік тому
6:31 this is not a proper test for bolt tensile strength. You used a thin section but that is not intended to hold loads for tension. From the video you can see that the threads are sheared. When you have a booted connection in tension, the threads and nut should never fail. Only the bolt shank (grip) should fail. Again, you need to use a proper tension but for this test. In the following segment you realized it and then used a different nut and the test right broke. It needs a bit of explanation to the audience.
@DirtTrackRacing410
@DirtTrackRacing410 Рік тому
You did a solid weld job on the three metal blocks
@ducknorris233
@ducknorris233 7 місяців тому
Years ago a surgeon in Hawaii found out right before surgery that he didn’t have the titanium rods he needed. He went to the auto parts store and bought titanium screwdrivers and hacked off the handles. The rods he inserted ultimately failed and after the next surgery to replace them the doctor tossed the inferior rods but a nurse retrieved them and turned them over to authorities. The patient was very elderly. I remember thinking that this guy went through too much to get to the position of a surgeon and then just shanked it. Like is a race to see if you die of natural causes before you really screw up something.
@oldolfmann8927
@oldolfmann8927 Рік тому
I think people are over analyzing this video. If you were designing something that needed critical fastener specs, you would most likely look at some fastener data sheets and use fastener hardware that satisfied your particular needs, such as tensile strength, shear strength, fatigue ratings, high / low temp specs, etc... possible even a magnetic / paramagnetic ratings. I think the video is fine, 99% of us watching are probly just goofing off wasting time here anyways. I doubt that anyone watching this video is using it to decide if they wanna use these bolts on their space shuttle. I'm still kinda surprised at the chinese hardware performance.
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 9 місяців тому
Steel alloys are stronger than Titanium, it's just that Titanium has good strength-to-weight ratio. Also, strength does not omly depend on the metal used. It also depends on the manufacturing method (cast, forged, powder-metal forged, machined forged billet, sintered, etc.)
@rodney489
@rodney489 11 місяців тому
For any shear or tension yield failure tests you need the area of material. force/area gives reliable data
@m4rkiz
@m4rkiz Місяць тому
in first application it is critical to torque them the same - otherwise you can just estimate the shear force if you tighten those steel bits properly the main resisting force comes from the friction between those two, which is proportional to the torque on the bolt, after that you just snapping it - the pulling test is done much better, but the weak point is always the thread
@karlharvymarx2650
@karlharvymarx2650 Рік тому
Hats off to you for taking a scientific approach. With all this expert advice in the comments, you'll be able to perfect your methods in no time and become the world's foremost testing and certification lab:-) Seriously, at least some of the advice is good, hope you take it impersonally instead of feeling kicked in the 'nads. In that spirit, I humbly suggest giving the bolts short names like "A," "B," "C," or Maui, Kush, Thai or something. My eyes aren't great and i kept missing the tests while trying to read. It would also remove some viewer bias. At the end of the video reveal what each label stands for along with a summary of the results.
@thedarkmage7373
@thedarkmage7373 Рік тому
Mother Fucker this was the most unscientific test I have ever seen. The dude didn't match thread pitch or applied torque equally along all tests. Know how a bolt works before testing them.
@techpriest4787
@techpriest4787 Рік тому
Son, there are at least five grades of titanium. And space is certainly not one of them...
@richardv9648
@richardv9648 Рік тому
Son, Not true. there are 26 grades. Plus multiple custom grades and alloy systems depending on the application. But 5 grades are basic available to the laymen.
@vikas8757
@vikas8757 Рік тому
Quite useful testing datas. Did you use M10 size bolts over there?
@lemonacidrounds7293
@lemonacidrounds7293 13 днів тому
The last bolt gonna bring the house roof down but will stay intact lol
@mattt198654321
@mattt198654321 Рік тому
Now the real question is, where did he get spacecraft bolts from :)
@h3dbopqux6ekvas98
@h3dbopqux6ekvas98 Рік тому
pre-own Russian spacecraft
@bobsnabby2298
@bobsnabby2298 Рік тому
Aliexpress 😂
@aquablue6301
@aquablue6301 Рік тому
Pieces of the Columbia shuttle.
@paulosouza3369
@paulosouza3369 Рік тому
he is actually an alien
@listerdave1240
@listerdave1240 Рік тому
Next time you see a rocket exploding on the launchpad you will know.
@TheReelGamer1
@TheReelGamer1 Рік тому
Now that's what I call... Under pressure... 🤣
@nigel900
@nigel900 6 місяців тому
In the 60’s my dad worked for a company that produced fasteners and components for aerospace. Each and every piece had to be shot peened, magnafluxed, x-rayed, fail-tested and meticulously inspected under a stereo microscope… then personally signed off, every step of the way to ensure a tolerance as close to zero as humanly possible. It’s an expensive and labor intensive process…
@nicholasdenney1318
@nicholasdenney1318 6 місяців тому
And then NorskHydro goes and fakes thousands of tests over almost 20 years
@nigel900
@nigel900 6 місяців тому
@@nicholasdenney1318 I suppose, if they are Fakers.
@tinypanther3320
@tinypanther3320 5 днів тому
Titanium is so light it almost feels like plastic like aluminum
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