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@mad279e3
@mad279e3 Рік тому
You can try to lighter the shaft and change the magnet sensor to a light sensor ( diode). Tomatoes are disgusting!
@FirstLast-cc6cv
@FirstLast-cc6cv Рік тому
Plus you'd lose less energy to the magnet (because every bit counts no matter how light the force may be)
@ittech3544
@ittech3544 Рік тому
Yeah, the magnets are ok for a proof of concept but for efficiency the design needs to be changed.
@mad279e3
@mad279e3 Рік тому
@@petthefrog9640 yeah
@mad279e3
@mad279e3 Рік тому
@@ittech3544 there are a lot of things that can be improved
@mad279e3
@mad279e3 Рік тому
@@FirstLast-cc6cv For sure
@flamedude_1111
@flamedude_1111 Рік тому
The magnet might make the spinning part unbalanced so either balance it or make a valve that is driven from the output shaft.
@alexc2616
@alexc2616 Рік тому
putting a magnet at the opposite side would balance it and trigger twice per rotation instead of once, win win power wise
@ffoska
@ffoska Рік тому
Driven from the output shaft, use solid state reed relay, a digital hall effect sensor it's much faster and more precise, use two of the same magnets symmetrically located, but one turned south side up, the other turned north side up, the two magnets will balance each other out, but the sensor will give a rising edge once per revolution
@crims0ngutz150
@crims0ngutz150 Рік тому
@@alexc2616 Yeah but wouldnt that make it gobble up 2x the fuel/co2
@surajd.padwalkar239
@surajd.padwalkar239 Рік тому
Is this idea is inspired from current petrol ,disel engines
@Daveboy1294
@Daveboy1294 Рік тому
@@alexc2616 I would even try three magnets
@deejayskyce5282
@deejayskyce5282 Рік тому
A tip, instead of sanding the parts when it's a rotary friction use an abrasive compound like a 600 or 1000 grit lapping paste and then work up to a polishing grit. Just put it on the surfaces making contact and spin it normally assembled for a few minutes. Clean and replace compound every few minutes and don't worry about parts staying rigidly against each others, lateral movement will make for a better removal and polish. Might take 15 20 minutes but you can potentially end up with thousandths of an inch tolerances or even more precise with technique. Then you can get away with no lubricant as long as the parts don't start moving out of tolerance from wear elsewhere.
@DennisGentry
@DennisGentry Рік тому
This works best with hard, polish-able materials. The resin he's printing with (which I also print with) isn't awful, but it might be better to give it a hard coating first. I have no idea what would work best for this, but he seems like the kind of guy who will experiment to find out.
@toysforboysrc
@toysforboysrc Рік тому
The harder the plastic grade, the less grip there is on the surface. So I’d go with the highest solid printable filament and coat all the parts with ceramic coating. It’s very impractical to sand and polish small parts with strategical shapes because you will never bring the surface back. You’d need a dermal with various attachments and it’ll never be consistent and likely create uneven surfaces .
@willlong4258
@willlong4258 Рік тому
Should also use engine oil. Literally designed for this purpose
@cloud8521
@cloud8521 5 місяців тому
White paste toothpaste is actually a great polish for plastics
@carloscampos7332
@carloscampos7332 Рік тому
With a hall sensor you can monitor the position and speed of each rotation, allowing you to fine tune for the optimal point to open the solenoids and for how long. You can even use a potentiometer to shorten the duration of each pulse so you can control the engine speed
@cjc55
@cjc55 10 місяців тому
yes, and have the valve open for a pulse, starting and ending with optimal timing.
@user-vt8lk9cq6y
@user-vt8lk9cq6y 6 місяців тому
And no electric cars are not cleaned. We just export the waste problem to country's that produce the batteries.
@laurasoffientini9443
@laurasoffientini9443 Рік тому
Video idea: Can you make rocket with a thrust vector control similar to spacex falcon 1? With a couple of linear actuators and an arduino controller it should be doable
@derrekvanee4567
@derrekvanee4567 Рік тому
Some guy does that on the tube I beleive don't know tbe name offhand
@EchoBuildsThings
@EchoBuildsThings Рік тому
@@derrekvanee4567 project air? Might be. It’s very difficult though
@mr.peanut2096
@mr.peanut2096 Рік тому
Thrust vector control is a REALLY hard problem to solve and is more of a software problem then hardware design. If you want to see someone do it, check out BPS space. It super impressive
@FuriousImp
@FuriousImp Рік тому
@@mr.peanut2096 Yea I was gonna mention BPS!
@nicholas-ewing
@nicholas-ewing Рік тому
@@EchoBuildsThings BPS.Space
@noobcrafterz7071
@noobcrafterz7071 Рік тому
Since the rotor is symmetrical, put magnets on both sides, that way each valve is triggered twice a rotation. In theory this should produce twice the power and your motor will run smoother
@Kirito_2016
@Kirito_2016 Рік тому
It'll also balance the rotor's weight
@Tjspycorp
@Tjspycorp Рік тому
Yes I don’t see why this wasn’t obvious the first time. Twice the power, plus balancing the rotor. Obvious solution.
@stevenbryant3055
@stevenbryant3055 Рік тому
If set to power a car or plane it’s gonna need to run on either fuel or steam, if he tries steam your idea might work but like he said he wants to run a car or something with it and steam systems are heavy, his best bet is fuel which means he needs to follow the original design and actually use the intended power type which means keeping 3 separate chambers and the 3 separate strokes of the engine, which also means he’s probably gonna want 3 liquid pistons which would fix the balance on its own
@jeremy8942
@jeremy8942 Рік тому
@@stevenbryant3055 and then you've built an RX7 engine.
@filipecarvalho2541
@filipecarvalho2541 Рік тому
@@jeremy8942 brap brap brap brap
@nickrosfelder1935
@nickrosfelder1935 Рік тому
You can use a timing belt to have the valves time properly and use a third hole to eliminate any lag in the system
@joehall1945
@joehall1945 Рік тому
i was gonna suggest something similar but using brushes since it would create less drag
@user-uu8uk5oo4o
@user-uu8uk5oo4o Місяць тому
Or a one way,reed type valve
@musicforeveryone2438
@musicforeveryone2438 Рік тому
at 10:35 , we can see that an other "combustion" on the other side of the rotating piece is possible just before the magnetic switch turns on. and this maybe by adding a magnet on the other side. so it will also balance correctly the piece and help the engine to run better
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie Рік тому
To mate moving parts with close tolerances, you can use grinding compound and lap the parts (grind against each other in place).
@FireBeam
@FireBeam Рік тому
You beat me too it 🤣 Best way to make an engine purr like a kitten 😉
@TravisFabel
@TravisFabel Рік тому
I missed this post somehow. I just replied that he should use lapping compound for the same reason.
@JustinEdwardsL
@JustinEdwardsL Рік тому
Read the position of the shaft for your valve timing instead of magnets on the piston, might also need a small flywheel to smooth it out.
@oroboros1204
@oroboros1204 Рік тому
ohh that would be cool like a cam and the lobe could trigger a limit switch
@philonetic321
@philonetic321 Рік тому
What do you think, is the Wankel model not more efficient? Instead of weakening the walls, change the shape of the rotor. Seals on the rotor instead of the wall. Pockets in each rotor to increase capacity. What he did, plugging inlets into all of them, tripling the injectors; The efficiency just dropped like a rock. Should definitely add a flywheel. Magnets in 3 places instead of 1 to better balance the rotor and reduce wear, tripling the injection cycles, get the same effect as tripling the injectors without such a loss in efficiency.
@wafje
@wafje Рік тому
You van use a hall effect sensor/encoder for this. Hook it up to an Arduino and control the timing of the valve. This way you can vary the position and length of the valve being open.
@TheMrTape
@TheMrTape Рік тому
Why? It would make no difference, given that the shaft and piston are mechanically locked in sync.
@JustinEdwardsL
@JustinEdwardsL Рік тому
@@TheMrTape Because the magnets on the piston cause it to be very out of balance, and having magnets on the shaft is much more compact and allows easy changing of the timing, just rotate the hall effect / reed switch / encoder housing.
@moneebt420
@moneebt420 Рік тому
I noticed the weight of the magnets and the timing greatly helped in the torque of the rotation. well done mate.
@slothFPV
@slothFPV Рік тому
flywheel, output shaft, timing sensor on output shaft, looks like you could reduce blowby between the chambers aswell. rotor balance is important. im sure you're thinking of all these things anyway, its only early days so far. extremely cool i look forward to the next developments
@afterthewar54
@afterthewar54 Рік тому
I think you could do two things relatively easily to improve the engine’s power - first use an encoder on the output shaft to monitor the rotor position and use an MCU to control the air or ignition in each cylinder. That way you can also easily and repeatably adjust timing for maximum power. Second, use inlets for all three chambers to maximize power generation. I think the timing method is the most important change for maximizing power though.
@josephdarpa5859
@josephdarpa5859 Рік тому
Why not just modify the design of a points style distributer in an older car? Just make a triangle shaped cam that spins on the output shaft, then he can put a micro limit switch mounted on oblongs so he can adjust the timing. Why the computer for such a simple machine?
@Storm13Cloud
@Storm13Cloud Рік тому
@@josephdarpa5859 Using code is easier to get precise timings for one, and it's likely the timing would need to be variable at different pressures to ensure maximum performance.
@jeffreyknapp4042
@jeffreyknapp4042 Рік тому
@@josephdarpa5859 also, the triangle lobe with a single switch will not trigger each of the 3 events(3 valves) properly
@djmjr77
@djmjr77 Рік тому
@@Storm13Cloud integza typically likes mechanical over code.. the design is more important (elegant in some eyes) mechanically where adding a programmable controller allows for a simpler design.. the stuff made here guy would be the right person to make something like this with a controller.
@Storm13Cloud
@Storm13Cloud Рік тому
@@djmjr77 I agree that it's not integza's style, I was just explaining the reasoning behind what the previous comment said about the electronics
@maycoral1224
@maycoral1224 Рік тому
Hi, I would like to suggest a theme for a future video. I enjoy watching your videos and find them informative. My suggestions would be to do a video comparing the different engines you have built in terms of durability, energy efficiency, power or torque output, etc. Thanks and I look forward to your future videos.
@dami1014
@dami1014 Рік тому
@@manwiththering9224 He has gone from ~900 to 1300 in 5 minutes how is it possible?
@mikels4459
@mikels4459 Рік тому
@integza I hope you are not fooled by this BOT account.. on the time of this comment he got 1.4k in ~30 min.. I don't know how but that is not legit
@manwiththering9224
@manwiththering9224 Рік тому
Scammer u got 1.4k in 30 min..
@mikels4459
@mikels4459 Рік тому
So funny the BOTs are removed by UKposts and the like count drops 🤣🤣
@FlintTD
@FlintTD Рік тому
To reduce the wobble in the piston, make sure to have a way to use the bearings on both sides of the motor housing.
@LordDecapo
@LordDecapo Рік тому
Something about this video feels like a step up in quality. Great work!!!
@tando6266
@tando6266 Рік тому
Something to keep in mind is that the co2 goes through a non adiabatic expansion in the Chamber which causes cooling in the system, causing a drop in efficiency after each activation. Switching back to high pressure air will give you better efficiency for longer durations
@benjmpotato2776
@benjmpotato2776 Рік тому
or he could try to add some sort of chamber to act as a buffer and give the dry ice time to evaporate. I've seen this problem in a bunch of his co2 powered projects.
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Рік тому
@@benjmpotato2776 the best way would be to put a heat exchanger on the output of the co2, and a little fan to move air through the heat exchanger, it would do the opposite of what you do to cool your pc, it would warm the heat exchanger and give more energy to the gas, to make sure maximum pressure is given to the gas.
@BokoMoko65
@BokoMoko65 Рік тому
@@iEnergySupply What about get the knowledge of valve timing/opening duration and move on to some combustion ?
@BokoMoko65
@BokoMoko65 Рік тому
Forget that. The best way to go is steam, as originally sugested by @Danielle O'Hallisey
@iEnergySupply
@iEnergySupply Рік тому
@@BokoMoko65 yeah I was just suggesting a way to make the co2 work better.
@seanharrison6162
@seanharrison6162 Рік тому
I think that in actuality at how fast rotary engines spin I think the imbalance of the magnets on that 1 side will eventually cause issues maybe only in high horsepower applications though because Mazda's rotors weren't even all equal from the factory
@thibautsnoeijs
@thibautsnoeijs Рік тому
I think magnets on both sides could improve it
@WetDoggo
@WetDoggo Рік тому
He also needs a flywheel to store excess momentum. He can also add a counterbalance to that flywheel... Then he can also just place contacts on the flywheel or shaft to make contact in the right place (should also be tunable) which can be also be done cheaply for each chamber.
@LeftyLucyRightyTyty
@LeftyLucyRightyTyty Рік тому
Gonna suggest a pressure regulator between the cartridge and first solinoid valve...at one point you could see co2 vapor as exhaust..suggests TOO MUCH was being used. The liquid had not finished expanding (rich mixture)..If this is the case, you should be able to extend your run times.
@natemartin9283
@natemartin9283 Рік тому
I was thinking the same thing but I'd try putting the magnet on the output shaft rather than in the engine itself
@andrewo.5722
@andrewo.5722 Рік тому
@@natemartin9283 like a distributor
@satibel
@satibel Рік тому
I think a small optical switch would work great, basically have a transparent disc with 1 or 2 black marks that trigger the valve, or the opposite depending on what kind of switch you use. magnets work too. the advantage of a separate disk is that you can turn it to adjust the timing.
@matthewcohen3521
@matthewcohen3521 Рік тому
I worked on in-flight optical sorters used in recycleing plants, they used high flow MAC solenoid valves that would DEFINITELY flow enough for this purpose, assuming your compressor and supply line are up to the task.
@jameslmorehead
@jameslmorehead Рік тому
For making clear resin parts clear, and to lubricate them, I've found it very handy to sand then up to 800 grit sand paper, then buff the parts with Dow Corning 111. DC111 is sold as an oring lubricant, but being silicon based keeps it from degrading the 3D prints and greatly reduces friction. It also has a high surface tension, so it stays in place very well. If you don't want a lubricant on the surface, another great way to make clear parts clear is with Novas 123. It's a multi step plastic polish that also works great on aged headlight lenses.
@micultimy91
@micultimy91 Рік тому
I hope this comment gets pinned. Thanks for sharing
@Malkawi_FTP
@Malkawi_FTP Рік тому
You can actually use steel because it has less friction and easier to seal. and place another pair of magnets in the opposite end of the rotar to get twice the pulses in each round which means more power, and you can make some chambers in the casing that has some oiling mechanism to reduce friction as much as you can.
@MrMegaPussyPlayer
@MrMegaPussyPlayer Рік тому
If he uses steel, he likely has to move the magnets to the shaft.
@Sphinxycatto
@Sphinxycatto Рік тому
Since the valve is a triangle shaped I don't see how the rotor might get faster by pulses pushing it from opposite directions
@MrMegaPussyPlayer
@MrMegaPussyPlayer Рік тому
@@Sphinxycatto The cylinder is an ellipse (but you can easily imagine as / simplify it to a line ) which has a top and a bottom. In the version in video, it is only pushed at the top part. You also can push the bottom part.
@kj7213
@kj7213 Рік тому
Since you use compressed air so much in your videos I think an interesting idea for a future video would be a 3D printed air compressor! You could power it with an electric motor or for some extra fun, a gas turbine!
@itsaburner8331
@itsaburner8331 Рік тому
This would actually be really interesting, especially to see just how much pressure it could create.
@BrandonMichael-vi4st
@BrandonMichael-vi4st Рік тому
yes but I believe he should make a screw air compressor as they are lighter and produce higher psi as well as a continuous flow unlike traditional piston compressors.
@julianburr1832
@julianburr1832 Рік тому
Hey man, another great vid. All I would do to make it more efficient would be balancing the rotor and just decreasing the over all size of the engine itself
@williamcampbell9859
@williamcampbell9859 Рік тому
Hi integza, with the magnet on only one side of the rotor, you're only firing the "cylinder" at a 50% duty cycle - it could be firing for the other side of the rotor too. with a magnet on each side of the rotor and with gas hooked up to all 3 "cylinders" (lobes?) you would be able to get better torque and more power! Edit: like this comment so he sees!
@christop672
@christop672 Рік тому
I completely agree. Not only is it only using 50% duty cycle but the other 50% is hindered by having a counterweight on the flywheel so it would more than double the power in my opinion. I hope he comes up with a way to measure it's power and torque at some point.
@averagegamer5617
@averagegamer5617 Рік тому
Was literally about to comment that
@lukearts2954
@lukearts2954 Рік тому
you copied my suggestion and somehow got more likes on it... neither of us got enough for the printer though hahaha
@williamcampbell9859
@williamcampbell9859 Рік тому
@@lukearts2954 didn't see your comment before I made mine, sorry pal 🤷‍♂️
@TrangsTwitch
@TrangsTwitch Рік тому
Completely agree, but it is also causing an imbalanced rotation, so adding magnets to the other side for a 100% duty cycle should also make it smoother overall increasing power even more.
@Lcuzz123
@Lcuzz123 Рік тому
I use a read switch about 15 years ago on a two-stroke lawnmower To run on compress air. Good Job bro.
@NameIsJoco
@NameIsJoco Рік тому
Hey! I think you should use 2 sets of magnets for activating the valve. Twice the pulses per rotation. Also as other users have suggested, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have the valves triggered by the crankshaft rotating - less weight, faster spinning
@Ty-bz7zx
@Ty-bz7zx Рік тому
I would grab a high pressure nitrogen tank(s)(used in paintball). Small one could fit in a large RC car/boat. Going to a light sensing unit would help with the unbalance... Also wonder if you could power it with a steam engine =))
@FreedomAirguns
@FreedomAirguns Рік тому
Nitrogen is less powerful than CO2, it's a myth and it's been busted all over the web(even Cody's lab made a video on it), search on youtube. And HPA is more powerful/stable than both of them. Helium is the "bomb", which is more powerful than HPA (search helium+airgun). Sorry people! 🤭
@TheyCallMeHacked
@TheyCallMeHacked Рік тому
You should definitely try to make a turboprop engine. Would be a good in-between for the combustion engines and the jet engines you already made...
@Xhydraulics
@Xhydraulics Рік тому
Its a great idea
@lucachacha71
@lucachacha71 Рік тому
Great idea
@cypriangacki1676
@cypriangacki1676 Рік тому
I have to agree.
@user-uv5qx6bk7y
@user-uv5qx6bk7y Рік тому
You should add a second magnet in the opposite place on the rotor , and you should use this system to ignite the fuel llike a winkle engine.
@TheyCallMeHacked
@TheyCallMeHacked Рік тому
@Andrew Kay I can't find any turboprop video from him, but if you find one, I'd love to see it
@ericwindle2571
@ericwindle2571 Рік тому
First off, I love it that you are using the engine design. I would get the weight of the magnets you are using and counter it out on the opposite side (either more magnets or plastic). The main shaft needs to have reduced slop/give. It looks as if you already have a bearing in place so adding something to ride in there to reduce vibration would help.
@sladeqbosquee
@sladeqbosquee Рік тому
You need to improve upon your cam shaft, and move the magnets outside of the piston housing. Then the magnets should be placed along the camshaft and you can adjust the timing from there. This will also help you balance the entire system which will increase efficiency. The goal needs to be balancing the entire rotating structure.
@HartenDylan
@HartenDylan Рік тому
I'm sure this has already been suggested, but a second pair of magnets would balance the rotational assembly while giving you two power pulses per rotation. Smoother power delivery, and likely reduce the gear lash from asymmetrical pulses! Great video, interested to see where you go with it.
@martindinner3621
@martindinner3621 Рік тому
^This^
@Jamesdavey358
@Jamesdavey358 Рік тому
Damn yeah, double the frequency and its balanced
@martindinner3621
@martindinner3621 Рік тому
@@Jamesdavey358 doesn't emulate the combustion cycle , but it's a far more efficient air engine.
@Jamesdavey358
@Jamesdavey358 Рік тому
I doubt he could get higher rpm out of it though because that's limited my the speed of the air in the engine
@stephenashdown2581
@stephenashdown2581 Рік тому
Great video! The pilot valve has a small port restricting flow. Try a bigger port 3/2 valve as the valve you are using is just for pilot signals and not flow. Also try adding a small air lubricator to the supply airflow, the droplets of oil will assist in sealing.
@Sheepvm
@Sheepvm Рік тому
As you already have the Compressor, you could try mounting several valves in parallel to decrease the pressure loss, all connected to one motor inlet. That way you could try to get longer (and cheaper) runtines. Also you could try to paint a part of the rotor a light color and use a microcontroller to trigger on the passing-by of the spot, to decrease weight on the rotor.
@thesteakman8107
@thesteakman8107 Рік тому
It might be useful to use 3 Hall effect sensors and valves so that only one section of the motor fires at a time, I think this could increase efficiency and make the “fuel source” last longer and still have a performance increase over just having the original single input. Keep doing interesting things man 👍🏽
@aronrad
@aronrad Рік тому
Idea: the valves can simplified and be self activating! Just a hole on the bottom plate at the right place and the spinning part covers it and uncovers it at the right time. Have to be tuned/placed at a specific spot for the desired rpm - but mechanically simple.
@hi1172
@hi1172 Рік тому
Yep similar to a 2 stroke engine.
@cheersmateuk
@cheersmateuk Рік тому
Hi thanks for your videos, but they are a bit advanced for me☺. Could you do a video for beginners, an entry level 3d printed engine?
@tashajordan6597
@tashajordan6597 Рік тому
Not sure whether you could do a 3d printed Engine for beginners, who knows though.
@mikels4459
@mikels4459 Рік тому
Other BOT account, how badly you want that 3d printer.. 852 likes in what 5 h ... and no-one left a reply... @INTEGZA I hope u are not fooled by this comment... I bet he will try more bot accounts likes just to win that 3d printer ..
@mikels4459
@mikels4459 Рік тому
He is a scammer..
@mikels4459
@mikels4459 Рік тому
The bots are removed by youtube and the count drops :)) just buy moree waste the money
@sethkunert6234
@sethkunert6234 Рік тому
I notice on most of your high heat builds you normally use rather small contacts between components. I believe increasing the length of the screw holes (and screw) as well adding a washer and tightening it enough to leave an impression when cold may cause the hot plastic to form around the head instead of pushing them apart.
@adamant262
@adamant262 Рік тому
That is some great engineering Integza
@BassBoostedDuck
@BassBoostedDuck Рік тому
There are some issues with the current solution of your engine (sadly), BUT i can write up a few things you can change! For starters your still only using half its potential power, if you put magnets on the other side of the rotor as well, then you'll get twice the output, i would also suggest making gasket to get a better use of the compressed air. Another thing you can do is make an ECU (electronic control unit), this would allow for control of the timings of the valves just like in a real car, this allows you to control how fast you want the engine to spin as well as how long each valve is open and closed, this can be done by adding an raspberry pi to see what Eletro magnet switch is on at what point and check how long it takes for it to reach the next one. doing this could also allow for data output into graphs to allow you to see the power spikes along with its rotation speed. This is one of the things i would of done on many of your old projects as you have a tendency to make them all run as fast as they can without any control. Not only does this shorten the life span of the engine but it also doesn't help if you cant control the engine, as it would just be a glorified spinner with no way to control it. Most engines need to start with low speed with high torque and get higher and higher speeds as time goes on with less and less torque as its already up to speed. this would help combat the friction you keep getting stuck with and it will also help when you put a load onto the output ether to generate power or to spin something. hope this helps. I have also send you an email so hopefully you'll see this i used to study this at college as well as do it as my job but in the last two years i have moved into game creation and i love 3D printing my projects so that's how i came across your channel. (although i only have a half broken 3D printer that is very small, lol). I would love to have a chat with you about this sometime and give you a hand so let me know.
@NAS-nr1yz
@NAS-nr1yz Рік тому
Video idea: I would love to see a drag race between all of your different engines on a car platform for example, and test how each engine performs at their absolute limit! Seeing the engine working is something, but seeing it powering a vehicle is a whole other level of entertainment
@hindustangamerchamp5695
@hindustangamerchamp5695 Рік тому
Just wanted to say that I'm a constant viewer of your channel and I love your work
@gelasera7862
@gelasera7862 Рік тому
It sounds so good with all three chambers
@Javen350
@Javen350 Рік тому
Looking at the slow-mo with the three valves it looks like the motion is jittery and not consistent, I suggest using a counterweight to try and smooth out the motion by preserving momentum. At the beginning of the video, it looks like on the original engine they have one so this could help.
@jackfaifer2229
@jackfaifer2229 Рік тому
You a mean a flywheel? That would be pretty handy in smoothing the rotation
@edgarryan8423
@edgarryan8423 Рік тому
Improvement idea: Add a “warming system” instead of a cooling System as normal. This should help it move more freely since there will be less thermal contraction in the bearing and the stop dry ice from forming in the engine on long runs. Additionally it should reduce efficiency drop off since having the chamber cold means that it takes more of the compressed air to achieve the same pressure.
@krishnajadhav1535
@krishnajadhav1535 Рік тому
he would need both right? one to cool the engine and one to heat the canistor idk not sure just a thought : )
@skylersample5356
@skylersample5356 Рік тому
@@krishnajadhav1535 he would only need one to heat the engine as this would cause the compressed gas to expand more rapidly and to a higher volume inside of the engine resulting in more power. if he was using combustion to power the engine then he would want to cool the combustion chamber but he is using compressed co2 which is extremely endothermic as it expands.
@JohnJohn-yy4up
@JohnJohn-yy4up Рік тому
Efficient engines are all about achieving high output, low friction, superb balance between the moving parts and must be highly durable. I think you can do an aluminum version and put a timing and ignition system in place because right now the power is from external source. Keep doing great! you got a new subscriber.
@bbv1699
@bbv1699 Рік тому
Also if you could somehow get a consistent measurement of the rotations you could make an electronic valve that opens, and closes rapidly for the same effect as the magnetic censor.
@BuZZarDFPV
@BuZZarDFPV Рік тому
I would deff put another set of magnets on the opposite side of the rotor for balance and double fire rate. Maybe put a regulator on the input pressure side and then stack up on cylinders for extra run time.
@bosozokurx7404
@bosozokurx7404 Рік тому
I love this video and concept I feel you should have magnets on both sides of the rotor to double the pulse of pressure per rotation and even out the weight on the rotor. Another thought is some sort of center gear so the rotor doesn't wiggle around the block of course Friction is a problem here though. Also maybe some divots in the side of the rotor to catch more air to give it a more forceful rotation kind of how a HEMI piston works.
@pieterpostma2687
@pieterpostma2687 Рік тому
Make a base plate for the sensors and another for the magnets to get rid of imbalance. Connect the air to a compressor that suits the engine needs and use an accumulator to stimulate a turbo changer or supercharger and see how its behaviour is while running it on boost from the accumulator.
@PeakerNearASpeaker
@PeakerNearASpeaker Рік тому
My new favorite channel, thank you
@moose17m84
@moose17m84 Рік тому
I’m sure this has been said multiple times but clearance and timing are probably the most important - Source, trust me bro. Also make sure you are sensing the centre thing on both sides, in the first run with one valve you were allowing 1 burst of air for every rotation but because it’s symmetrical you should be able to do 2 bursts per rotation per side. I also think the air compressor would be better for overall run time now that there is 3 valves and you are using the electronic valves
@JThyroid
@JThyroid Рік тому
The liquid piston engine does not fire every chamber twice per revolution, so he is trying to stay true to the design by only placing the magnets on one side. I do agree that it would probably run better as an air engine with what you suggest.
@haphazard1342
@haphazard1342 Рік тому
@@JThyroid Sure but that's only because it is a combustion engine, and needs one cycle to clear the combustion gases. If the point is to make an air engine on the same geometry, then "wasting" a cycle on clearing nonexistent combustion gases doesn't seem worthwhile.
@JThyroid
@JThyroid Рік тому
@@haphazard1342 when you're trying to build a faithful model of an engine it does matter. Otherwise any air engine will just be a Tesla turbine. It's not about making the most efficient air engine, but about optimizing a specific design with specific attributes. The liquid piston engine has the intake and exhaust ports in the rotor, making combustion only possible one one face. I think future iterations of this printed design should at least have the exhaust port built into the rotor.
@chanceschofield9324
@chanceschofield9324 Рік тому
The valve is kind of redundant by angling the three inputs, no? Or to be more efficient you could time the pulses to fire based on desired rpm (and input pressure) and eliminate the (relatively) heavy magnets.
@Jojotheowl1
@Jojotheowl1 Рік тому
The angled inputs are generally more efficient at moving the rotor in the desired direction.
@timothypollard1280
@timothypollard1280 Рік тому
For the valve, look into how hydraulic valves work. They usually use a low pressure pilot to activate a higher pressure in the main supply.
@landonlem159
@landonlem159 Рік тому
I would suggest making the teeth of the housing for the rotating portion smaller and more frequent which will decrease friction, also I’ve seen many valid points about adding sensors and balancing the inner rotating portion. Another good idea would be using a valve that collects gas which emits from the engine and replenishes it into the engine.
@jamiesticks
@jamiesticks Рік тому
Upgrade idea: Do an external Hall effect sensor (trigger wheel) similar to ignition on a car, which should allow adjustment of timing more easily. The timing should allow it to be more efficient.
@josephdarpa5859
@josephdarpa5859 Рік тому
He could actually make the trigger wheel a part of the rotor in the middle, of anything make the sensor be mounted on oblong holes. Then he could make the sensor mount with a spring pulling the sensor against a screw, that way the timing is adjustable.
@austinbrewer2680
@austinbrewer2680 Рік тому
I came here to say the same thing. Then it can be advanced/retarded for the perfect activation time.
@solopeyton7168
@solopeyton7168 Рік тому
It would have to be a rather inaccurate hall effect sensor in order to function under such heavy vibrations and movement, but it could probably be done, good idea.
@thelluisis9338
@thelluisis9338 Рік тому
Hi Joel, I think this might help you with the engine. Starting with the timing, the magnetic sensor idea rocks! but placing the magnets directly into the rotor might cause vibrations and that could be producing that extra bit of friction, so why dont you try to mount them on the motor shaft? Like if it was a flywheel, that way the magnets will spin allways on a perfect circle and you would get "some" momentum to keep the rotor spinning (like an actual flywheel), the only thing is that you would have to design an extended casing to hold the sensors. I think it might work properly. And for the friction...maybe if you use that CNC machine of yours and try to machine the rotor in aluminum, the weight might help it loose some friction, as if it has more mass, in theory will go faster and as being heavier, has more energy to overcome the friction, but with the powder graphite as well. Hope some of this helps you Joel. Greatings from Spain Neighbour 👋
@TheExileFox
@TheExileFox Рік тому
Alternatively, have 3 or 6 magnets, one for each chamber, if they're 120 degrees apart you get rid of the problem.
@JBLewis
@JBLewis Рік тому
Add enough magnetic reference points and you have something very similar to to commercially available ignition timing systems 👍
@jeremyblatz
@jeremyblatz Рік тому
I don't have any ideas for a future video, just wanted to say that I love your videos and your style of humour.
@adriantoledanogarcia1620
@adriantoledanogarcia1620 7 місяців тому
For the pneumatic valve instead of the Hall effect sensor try using an absolute encoder or a resolver(preferably with more than 3 lobes). With an angular position sensor not only can you time better the air release, you could characterize the motor, approximate a transfer function of input air and output angular speed, or torque, and develop the control algorithm.
@bull8752
@bull8752 Рік тому
Seems to me, that you can add magnets to the opposite side of the rotor. This will achive two things: 1) Balance the rotor 2) Add power to the system, as the rotor will get twice as much input power The downside is of course, that this will also add weight and friction. To combat this, you might be able to do two additional changes, depending on the activation strength of your hall sensor: 1) Use smaller neodymium magnets 2) Embed the neodymium magnets in the rotor
@mystwerks
@mystwerks Рік тому
It would be interesting to see multiple rotary/similar engines running in parralel like the 13b/20b
@BokoMoko65
@BokoMoko65 Рік тому
If they were counter rotating they'll be auto balancing
@STITCHEDUPBUILDS
@STITCHEDUPBUILDS Рік тому
I saw that a good amount of our view traffic comes from here and I was like hey! I watch that guy! Awesome job on the build !
@AzRill5
@AzRill5 8 місяців тому
I love these little engines so much! If it hasn’t been suggested already, maybe you could try and make the smallest functional engine possible?
@alden1132
@alden1132 Рік тому
Seriously, I think this is the most impressive project you've done yet. Not because the concept is mind-blowing (though it is VERY cool), but because it's both the most strictly scientific, and the most successful project yet. Congratulations, man. You did GREAT! Really, seriously awesome.
@i-onedarksnow9288
@i-onedarksnow9288 Рік тому
This not concept - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine
@olafscholz187
@olafscholz187 Рік тому
@@i-onedarksnow9288 He didn't say he invented the concept...🤦🏻‍♂️ he just said its very cool
@i-onedarksnow9288
@i-onedarksnow9288 Рік тому
@@olafscholz187 ohhh shi... engine based on this "concept" for example used in mazda rx8 and many another car
@jaricmcghee5931
@jaricmcghee5931 Рік тому
To improve the design adding magnets to the opposite side so it actuates at both cycles may increase your output and balance the motor. It will increase the fuel draw but improve performance. As for a video idea. Once you get this motor running efficiently use it to power a propeller for a foam airplane and see how far you can get it to fly.
@thatoneweasel
@thatoneweasel Рік тому
this would also balance the rotor
@jaricmcghee5931
@jaricmcghee5931 Рік тому
@@thatoneweasel exactly
@frenchshark2000
@frenchshark2000 Рік тому
You can use a LED / phototransistor pair (like in a old PC mouse) and a cardboard disk with holes attached to the axle. By changing the hole size, you can control the valve opening time.
@avva4090
@avva4090 Рік тому
Looking forward to the miniaturized working model of the Mazda 787B 😜 Cool video idea!!
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter Рік тому
You need less weight, less friction and automate the valves to work at high RPM. Good idea is use a thin teflon cover in the walls. Both the rotary part and the walls should have a thin cover. As janky as your setups always are i don't think you can do much of the tolerances but you need to achieve tight tolerances to not lose pressure too. Less weight, well plastic is good so that's why teflon walls. For the automation part, use a very fast micro-controller, a Raspberry Pico should do very well. For the sensor part, magnets are too heavy. you can have metal on metal conductivity. Metal on metal has low friction ad well you only need small pulses of high voltage that's why a fast micro-controller so it is able to detect them at a high polling-rate. So just detect when the rotary part does contact on a desired point to conduct the electricity and then trigger the valve. Try running the positive cable from the rotary thing connected to a tiny metal panel on it's wall. Then on the walls of the engine put tiny metal plates connected to negative (don't forget the resistor so you don't fry things), try different polling rates if it does not work. It's impossible that it doesn't work. Hope the teflon coating does not prevent electricity. If it does, use the graphite lubricant then. Another way is do it all metal and isolate the electrodes from the rest of the engine. Again, tolerances need to be tight so it doesn't fail.
@percaros
@percaros Рік тому
I think friction and durability could be improved if he replaces the friction walls of the rotating part with bearing balls.
@wlpSidewinder
@wlpSidewinder Рік тому
Nice job as always. It looks like your loosing some ground on those open valves being slightly out of timing though. The slowmo helps a lot in seeing that. Might try a vortex bernoulli effect inlet to increase it's speed and angle
@Temazine
@Temazine Рік тому
i don't know how well the Teflon will handle it, but i suggest liquid lubrication, a very thin motor oil or similar, injected similarly to how a carburetor atomizes gasoline and inects it together with the air. I also imagine you could take inspiration from the valveless designs of 2-stroke engines and the way they move positive and negative pressures around the piston housing to make the engine run better. Your videos are amazing, much love from Germany!
@jaysimon6575
@jaysimon6575 Рік тому
You should make a force gouge with linear rails, springs and a universal bracket to test your jets and rockets. Then make a wall chart to show which jets and rockets did best. We would love to see your progress over all.
@potato-sp4qx
@potato-sp4qx Рік тому
the magnet might unbalance the spinning part. But i am SO excited!!! I definitely think you should make it a combo of a steam, jet, and diesel engine to power a mini car or something! Love this!
@thecompl33tnoob
@thecompl33tnoob Рік тому
I'd be really interested to see how the engine would do printed in metal, and maybe cleaned up via CNC. Homemade engines would be a huge boon to lots of people, especially if it could power smaller transportation like a bike or motorcycle.
@smcervantess4945
@smcervantess4945 Рік тому
dremal CNC machine would prob do the job too. Relatively cheap too like $3000
@Infaviored
@Infaviored Рік тому
They are already there! Called brushless motors ;)
@moon_boon
@moon_boon Рік тому
Have magnets on two opposition sides, it Will help to balance the Middleton pièces and gives more boursts. You definitly need a compressor as well, or a biiiig tank of compressed air
@ivantaslev
@ivantaslev Рік тому
Place a magnet on both ends. This has two benefits - 1. It will keep the rotating part stable. 2. The valve will be triggered twice as often (think of it like 4-stroke Vs 2-stroke engine).
@constantineshaman3336
@constantineshaman3336 Рік тому
Use oil, and make a tighter fit on top and on bottom, it would prevent air from leaking in neighbour chambers reducing the efficiency. But it would spit out oil from the holes on the bottom, so it's problem to be resolved or just be ignored, it's not big of a deal, if oil coating is in sweet spot, both thin enought to stop spitting, and thick enough to make a seal. Also, don't forget about balance of the rotor.
@jacksonberkowitz4567
@jacksonberkowitz4567 Рік тому
Graphite would work instead of oil, right? Also isn't oil sometimes corrosive to certain plastics?
@constantineshaman3336
@constantineshaman3336 Рік тому
​@@jacksonberkowitz4567 Graphite wouldn't stop air leakage. Thin essential oil is corrosive, thick oils are not
@jacksonberkowitz4567
@jacksonberkowitz4567 Рік тому
@@constantineshaman3336 Ahh ok, thanks, I didn't know the 2nd reason and didn't think of the first reason
@sandwichman8u
@sandwichman8u Рік тому
Here's something I wasn't expecting
@pancreaspickler2629
@pancreaspickler2629 Рік тому
You could use steam to power the engine. Modify a pressure cooker with a safety release and pressure gauge to be able to safely see the bars. With this you should be able to supply a near constant feed of high or atleast constantly pressured water vapor for tests.
@IKucheINtortIE
@IKucheINtortIE Рік тому
You would need a big tank for an output oriented application, so anything moving from a car to a plane is impractical. Maybe a boat but it would be huge. You could make a stationary engine and power a generator. Also to balance out the heavy magnets, you could stack more plates together slightly shifted for a smoother power output, bolt a propeller on the shaft and compair the generated thrust to your best jet engine design
@mechadraws
@mechadraws Рік тому
I love Prusa 's 3 d printers ,nice pick 👍 Video propose idea: make a homemade fire extinguisher that instead of co2 cartridges as propeller this uses some of the engines you have made so far . Sorry for my english,love from Italy Love your videos
@anglerfish61
@anglerfish61 Рік тому
I was thinking the same thing gg
@mechadraws
@mechadraws Рік тому
@@anglerfish61 Integza is a tech guru 😂
@Tamb899
@Tamb899 Рік тому
Love seeing other people from italy under this videos!
@anglerfish61
@anglerfish61 Рік тому
@@mechadraws indeed!
@luigiperrotta2863
@luigiperrotta2863 Рік тому
He really needs a 🧯🧯🧯
@potato-sp4qx
@potato-sp4qx Рік тому
you should race all of the different kinds of engines you have made over the years in a super sick cinematic style video!
@kalu_h
@kalu_h Рік тому
Id love to see this in an rc plane! Great work on the vid man.
@vsrock23
@vsrock23 Рік тому
Like you mentioned, you should try adding some exhaust ports to reduce back pressure. Install 2 magnets on the peanut so the single inlet triggers 2 times per cycle, and have open exhaust ports on the other 2 chambers?
@williambryce8527
@williambryce8527 Рік тому
Remove the magnets and place them on the main shaft for timing then use a Pic processor to control the solenoid. Would be easy with a Arduino controller and also be a good chance to learn the Arduino IDE and further advance your awesome maker skills!
@littlegrimreaper1828
@littlegrimreaper1828 Рік тому
I really love you're videos Inetzga! Recently i've been reading about Spinlaunch's, well spinning launchs that throw rockets into the air. Maybe you could use one of your engines to throw a mini-rocket or something into the air?
@charlesmelton3203
@charlesmelton3203 Рік тому
Full time liquid lubrication system with a mechanic pump driven by the output shaft or some kind of pneumatic pump driven by the air compressor itself(or vacuum perhaps?) This should allow for better seals and higher revolutions with lower chance for mechanical failure.
@noktrnl123
@noktrnl123 Рік тому
I think you should add an expansion chamber for the CO2 inlet and use a hall effect sensor with an Arduino or esp to control the valves with smaller magnet and opposing weight to balance it.
@semtimis7858
@semtimis7858 Рік тому
Ok…., here is what you want to do step by step: 1: get one bigger tank 2: get rid of your valves (might want one fore a „master switch“ 3: 3D print or mill a hollow control shaft with a casing. (In said shaft you put three holes in a presise angle so every time one of the holes comes over an „exit hole“ ,leading into one of you three inlets, the rotor turnes.) 4: you have a sick, much less expensive and mostly easy to DIY engine. Much love: bilder of an all aluminium and steel pnymatic 5 zylinder radial engine😁🇦🇹
@KeithOlson
@KeithOlson Рік тому
The first thing that comes to mind is to stack them--each rotationally offset from the last--and use a crankshaft to connect them. The more you have, the smoother the output should be.
@williamcampbell9859
@williamcampbell9859 Рік тому
crankshaft, not camshaft! :)
@KeithOlson
@KeithOlson Рік тому
@@williamcampbell9859 That what it *says!* Can't you read? :grin: (Thanks for the correction.)
@williamcampbell9859
@williamcampbell9859 Рік тому
@@KeithOlson you actually had me for a second lol! No worries
@raphaelprinz9944
@raphaelprinz9944 Рік тому
Super cool! Hope to see you build a sterling engine some day!
@spencerhuff
@spencerhuff Рік тому
add the magnets to both sides, it will help balance it and double the pulses per rotation. Or, use contact circuits to open close the circuit so there is nothing to balance, but I would still add them to both side. To do this you would want to run a contact through the resin to a metal shaft so you could ground the shaft, and then have the positive points be on the casing, so when it rotates to close the circuit on either side, the air valve is actuated.
@Naguzoro1
@Naguzoro1 Рік тому
Metal casting 3d prints is actually pretty easy. I'd love to see a old 3d rocket become metal casted.
@qwaczar7515
@qwaczar7515 Рік тому
to improve the engine, perhaps it would be good to add a second pair of magnets to the other side of the spinny part, also perhaps finding some way to keep a constant intake preasure would let it last longer as it seems that a very high pressure burst isnt doing much more work compared to the lower preasures. to increase efficency it would be good i think to setup the 3 intakes to function individualy of eachother with 3 seterate electrovalves and 3 seperate sensors to control each one.
@palloproductions3198
@palloproductions3198 Рік тому
I notice that before the cartridges are completely empty the mechanism will start to slow down, this might be because the condensation from the rapidly cooling components mixes with the graphite to form more of a mud. Try a liquid lubricant like motor oil and see if that improves.
@matthewfrost4742
@matthewfrost4742 Рік тому
Add a counter weight on the opposite side of there the magnet is to balance the system. Try to decrease the weight of the internal parts. Try to find some low friction seals so the pressure can build up in the system
@kumaranealumalai9797
@kumaranealumalai9797 Рік тому
My Ideas for you future videos are: • Make your 3D printed compressed air powered wankel rotary engine water powered (it does only need some minor changes) and try revisiting your 3D printed compressed air powered wankel rotary engine car using the water powered wankel engine and also make a 3Dprinted boat entirely powered by the 3D printed wankel engine powered by water ( which doesn't even need a tank and the water can be taken from the pond and it can produce extra thrust if you use a nozzle in the outlet), use a Tesla turbine as a pump to pump water to the engine. In the car have a tank and redirect the outlet water to the tank itself. Hence, There is no need for changing the water. Use a Lily impeller and make a boat so that it would be a amazing thing which has 3 amazing inventions by 3 amazing scientists(Wankel Engine - Felix Wankel, Tesla turbine - NIKOLA TESLA, Lilly Impeller - Jay Harman), please try make this one in your style and I am keen to see your video on this. • Make a aeroplane powered using your aerospike rocket engine and launch it like a rocket and land like a aeroplane. Use your 3D printed solid rocket motor as a booster to launch it(and you can make it like a space shuttle). • Make a 3D printed rocket engine powered by hydrogen and O2 with your Metal Filament(From The Virtual Foundary), and iam keen to see what fuel ratio you will use. And use this engine to make a 3D printed rocket. • Make a Ramjet engine powered missile with your Metal Filament(From The Virtual Foundary) and please destroy some tomatoes🍅 with it (tomatoes are Disgusting 🍅). • Make a 3D printed rocket which utilizes your 3D printed Tesla pulse jet engine which would sound great exept for the thing that your neighbours will be angry at you. •Make a compilation video of you destroying tomatoes 🍅 all of these years( Tomatoes are Disgusting 🍅 ),(please make this one). • Make a 3D printed jet aircraft which houses your vortex cooled rocket engine but with little modifications like using your Metal 3D printing Filament(from The Virtual Foundary)instead of ceramic resin changing oxidizer from O2 to compressed air or normal air like conventional jet engines which is a Feast for our eyes and that would be an interesting topic. I think you need to name it the integzajet engine or vortexjet engine. • Make a 3d printed revolving piston steam engine And make a car which utilizes this. • Make your Tesla earthquake machine with the Metal 3D printing Filament(from virtual foundary) and make it from metal and try to use it to power a Tesla Coil. • Make a Thermo Magnetic Motor which was invented by Nikola Tesla. • Make a pyromagneto Electric generator which was also invented by Nikola Tesla. • Please make a Tesla Alternating current Induction motor with 3d printed parts.( Metal Filament from The Virtual Foundary) I would try many of these if i get a 3D printer but i could not afford it . It would very helpfull if i get a 3D printer. And you have got great 3D modelling skills and you are a professional in it. Please make a tutorial video in 3D modelling mechanical parts in solidworks with parametric equations(I want to learn it please make it). Iam asking this as a request please do it. Wish you a good luck in your rocket engine making courier and wish you for becoming a rocket engine specialist soon, you and Sir Nikola Tesla are my inspiration don't stop doing sir Tesla related inventions.
@Neon64913
@Neon64913 Рік тому
I would like to know how long it took you to type this
@thepaintballersfromnorth9079
@thepaintballersfromnorth9079 Рік тому
@@Neon64913 me too
@the_log
@the_log Рік тому
I think this guy wants a 3D printer
@PCFees
@PCFees Рік тому
to improve on this design, I would recommend plugging the cover that has the ball bearing in it to contain the air more, and put in some exhaust ports(about 1/2 to 3/4 the size of the intake) to make the engine use the air pressure more efficiently. Hopefully that would make it so that you would use less "fuel" and allow the engine to run longer.
@joshjlmgproductions3313
@joshjlmgproductions3313 Рік тому
That would make it more of a rotary engine and less like a LP engine.
@PCFees
@PCFees Рік тому
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 no… the only real difference between the two is what spins inside. A Wankel rotary has a triangular piece inside an oval. An LP engine has an oval inside a triangle. They both run on the same principle though.
@joshjlmgproductions3313
@joshjlmgproductions3313 Рік тому
@@PCFees Ah, okay. Thought the point of a LP engine was to have fuel and/or exhaust running through the rotor.
@nathanwatson296
@nathanwatson296 Рік тому
Love the mad scientist look!
@ooohhbilly9694
@ooohhbilly9694 Рік тому
If you want to keep using CO2 cartridges I would highly recommend having a way to keep them somewhat warm so they do not lose power as they get colder and colder
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ Рік тому
After watching your videos for the last few years I think that it's finally time that you 3D print a moustache. I just can get used to the clean shaven look. Seriously though that build is super cool. An optical sensor and potentially an Arduino to control the timing will probably give you better results. I don't know if it would work with air but a fuel injector solenoid could possibly work for this. Make sure that your solenoid and hoses are rated for the pressure that the CO2 cartridges put out. Most air solenoids are only good up to about 120psi and over that you are risking an explosive ending.
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