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I've been using braid to fluoro leader for years and don't ever regret it. Heavy fishing, ultralight finesse, it works.

I've tried 6 different brands of flour and, truthfully, the issues and price point doesn't justify the average angler investing in it. My opinion, based on my years of experience and my budget. XT and Big Game handles most applications with braid handling the rest.

I happen to use ANDE Back Country Blue monofilament, which is purchased in bulk spools. I like the lack of memory on the spool. Never cared for braid and fluro. Especially fluro, it would break and it was to stiff for me. ANDE mono is priced right in bulk 1/4, 1/2, spools.

I've given up on Flouro personally. Too many break offs in situations where it just shouldn't happen. Mono and braid work for me!

Heard a rumor that mono stretches more when it’s wet. Growing up, all I used was mono. Lost countless fish in the salt on piers and around grass (on long casts) due to stretch so I tend to believe those rumors. Would love to see someone incorporate water into their tests somehow. With that said, I’ve also fallen victim to the misconceptions around fluoro. I’m not a believer that ALL stretch more than mono. But I do know that fluoro will burn out and become prone to break offs much faster than mono. And at it’s price point, I’ll take a copolymer or a coated fluoro that has some quality good traits at a better price vs just paying for expensive fluoro because that’s what the pros do.

A lot of companies mislead buyers with pound test rating because they lable a lower pound test on a larger diameter line.

Good info, Tyler. Yes, as a beginning fisherman, years ago, I was never told the actual breaking strength of line is usually MORE than that number on the label. I thought 12=12, etc. but finally caught on, through reading and some simple tests, and also when the Berkley reps like Doug Stange came to my area, 40 years ago, for seminars and they brought their knot/ line testing machine.

That line video is one of the best fishing videos ever made in my opinion. Awesome work

The best part about this video: All of the variations of how flourocarbon can be spelled in the comments. Lol.

The main reason for using fluro is it’s ability to refract light therefore being almost invisible under water which wasn’t mentioned I love using it as a Leader In most my lure fishing situations it’s also very tough and has high abrasive qualities I love the stuff 👍🏼

My favorite is Sufix Advance but I also use Seaguar InvisX.

Hello Tyler, great video, by the way. Just a question: Did you measure the diameter of the line to determine if there is a correlation between line size and breaking strength?

Great information I have a question I have heard angler's say about having your finger against the line helps you feel a bite

I’d still like to see confirmation of another video I saw where they tested the RE-stretch strength of fluorocarbon. It might stretch nearly as much as mono, but mono supposedly retains a much higher percentage of its strength though multiple stretches.

I like sunline sniper 7lb and a loose drag, caught a 10# Monday, and my heart rate still hasn’t gone down 😅

I am a YoZuri Hybrid guy. I am very good at getting backlashes, 100% flouro hates that. I change line as needed and my wallet hates that with 100% flouro. Even braid to leader the leader is YoZuri Hybrid. It does stretch some, but in the 10 or so years I have used it, no issues: flippin, casting or finesse. I have used the Seagar and a few other types of floro line over time and how I fish, for me, 100% flouro is a friggin nightmare that is expensive to boot.

Have you ever tested the Florocarbon coated lines ? I have had great success with the Floroclear. Casts and handles like mono but it supposed to have the light refractive qualities. Maybe giving a little less abrasion protection.

Been through it all..53 years of fishing... settled on braid & Trilene XL/Big game...cheap but good

If there is this much variation between brands, I must wonder how much variation exists within each brand. Thanks for all of your good work.

A point I would like to make, when I was a young man I saw an article in an unnamed magazine. Tie a 5 lb bag of flour to the end of your fishing line try to pick it up off the floor? It's amazing just how much pressure it takes. Keep your hands on the rod handle. How do you break your fishing line? Certainly lines over 10 lb is for abrasion resistance in bad knots. TA

Trilene BIG GAME is AWESOME line still to this day, lol! No go Fluoro

I switched to zebco omni flex mono years ago and haven't looked back. Save a ton of money and it is as tough as nails. Everyone pushed me to try flouro years ago... I broke off more fish in one week than I had my entire life using mono. There's a video somewhere on UKposts showing an abrasion comparison mono vs fluoro and mono won every time. I fish tournaments a lot and do pretty decent. My fishing partner was a diehard fluoro guy, bought the best of the best.... he now throws the cheap stuff as well. Thanks Matt Robertson for the pointer, fished the bassmaster team championship on Harrison chain him and Wendall won.

I'll have to go back & watch that testing vid. One of biggest & most common misconceptions I hear all the time is floro sinks & mono floats? They both sink! Floro is more dense & sinks a little quicker. But thinner line sinks faster than larger diameters also.

I like that you often introduce science to the sport with your presentations.

I’ve recently switched my crankbait reel from red label to Abrazx. Huge mistake, that line seems to stick to itself. Causing massive backlash, I’ve tried to adjust to it but I’m to the point of swapping back. I’ve had similar issues with the Invizx in lighter tests but use 20lbs on my jigging reel. The 20 lbs is fantastic, seems smaller. Closer to 15-16 lbs maybe? I use the big game you mentioned in 30lbs on my catfish reels for leaders on 65 lbs braid. Can’t imagine using it for Bass fishing, it’s similar to weed eater string.

Please do your own testing, but i have compared decent grade floro vs higher end mono. Compared in pool on bright sunny day, and water in glass test. My results, floro has a sheen or glistening effect. What do your tests show? I do use floro and mono and copoly. Jury still out for me.

Trilene big game . Best line for the money. Sensitive and tough .

Gamma Edge is the best fishing line I’ve ever used. Berkeley flouro was the worst. Both flourocarbon. Line type seems to be less important than line manufacturer.

The fact that monofilament line has a bit of stretch is a strength not a weakness. I have also done exhaustive tests on mono, fluoro, braid and many types of line connections and knots. I have an engineering background and applied the usual controls and rigor to the tests, the results of which find that "mono" is definitely superior to fluorocarbon. Knots tied with monofilament cinch down and form up more easily and are considerably stronger than the same knots tied in fluoro for the same lb test and/or diameter. I fish a lot and have been doing so for a very long time. These days almost everyone uses braid as a main line, as do I. Braid has zero stretch for a start and a rod length or two of nylon leader leader on your rig, mono or fluoro makes no difference to "feel". Mono beats fluoro hands-down for strength, abrasion resistance and durability and connections to braid with knots like FG and Alberto etc. are much stronger as the braid locks itself into the mono better than with fluoro. Likewise, snug knots and loop knots tied to hooks or lures with mono don't fatigue and become weak after a few hard pulls like they do with fluoro. The only thing left is whether Fluorocarbon is harder for fish to "see". Despite all the claims, no one has actually proved this yet. Fish actually "feel" line more than see it anyway..... The invisibility myth will likely be de-bunked eventually just as the abrasion resistance myth has been already. I think its likely that a lot of fisher folks have already done their dough on ridiculously expensive fluoro line and feel that they need to justify it by parroting the marketing hype and continuing to say its good without any any real evidence. Stop wasting your money on fluorocarbon line. It's just another fishing industry con. Just use Diawa J-Thread or Shimano Exage and you can't go wrong. Also..... Have a look at Salt Strong - www.youtube.com/@Saltstrong and see the tests and videos they have done.

Great video. My favorite all around line is P-Line cxx.

This is good info to have ! Thank you !

Fluoro has no contolled stretch like mono...gets weakened after every fish catch, snag, heavier lure (swimbait)...if Fluoro isn't changed very frequently, u will have random breaks at no particular spots....Pros likely change it every week, maybe even more ofte when it's free....my 30 combos, 6 are braid...24 are mono....Bass Pro Excel & Big Game is all i need & does everything needed for bass fishing...can't recall ever breaking off on a fish using mono or braid..Fluoro, broke 1 time on a hookset no where near the knot randomly...That was enough for me to stick with what works & not about the hype...

I have a Professional tensile test machine and test fishing line all the time. I can also measure fishing line stiffness, abrasion resistance and even dampened harmonic oscillations. Let me know if you want Professional fishing line test data.

in socal salt water we use fluorocarbon for abrasion resistance, that's it. only about 3ft onto a top shot of mono like 200 ft. the rest is all braid. some go fluoro straight to braid.

Theirs a video showing Seaguar Basix stretching 40 something percent. I stopped using it after that. I'm going to definitely watch your video

Tyler, please test the strongest line per line diameter size, not stated pound test.

I seem to remember a prior line test that showed mono started stretching immediately while fluoro didn't start stretching until closer to breaking point. Can you run a test for stretch at 25, 50, 75% of rated strength?

I went back to mono for a lot of situations. I’m happy with it. Been bass fishing 40 years. Tried everything out there. If I need a leader to braid I use mono. Flipping I use 17 or 20 pound mono.

We did a test using an Instron machine. And we found that Spro Essential was the best line.

I wonder do Fluorocarbon line manufacturers label for example 20 pound test line as 15 or 17 pound test. This way of marketing will make the consumer feel like the line that is being sold is the absolute best and better than the rest. In your line test video that I did watch, did you document and actually put a micrometer to each line to check thickness? For example, which line tested was the thinnest and which was the thickest. I used Berkley Big Game for years. I would have no problem returning to using Big Game if I had to. Thanks for the videos.

Been using Berkley Trilene XL mono for years. Tried Seagur INVIZX and I still use it on a couple of rods. I really dont have a preference, but mono or fluoro are both good and are usefull under the conditions. Meaning, depending on what species, or cover, I will use accordingly. When it comes to cost, mono is still the leader. Pardon the pun.

The test I would like to see is percentage of stretch while under very light weight, like a lures weight. Because I swear flouro just feels so much more sensitive than mono.

I check the diameter of my lines with a micrometer. It is a professional machinist micrometer, and it reads down to .0001 - inch. If you didn't write down what line you installed, it is revealed by measuring it. Also my (HarborFreight) calipers work just as well for measuring lines. I learned that a popular manufacturer of (usually fly fishing) monofilament isn't describing the diameter of their lines with much accuracy, with at least a couple of their spools.

Vicious Pro Elite 8#, 12# and 20# and 50# braid is all I use. I really don't have any problems with breaking off and I have extreme confidence in it. Great sensitivity and doesn't get cuts easily in rock or wood.

I've tried alot of different lines, the one I keep going back to is trilene xl smooth casting. It's cheap and reliable.

I use what I learned on ,zebco 202 with 6 lb line and have had lots of fun with it, bugs my son he says dad I know you can afford a better set up , my pole throws out and reels in and I catch fish and have money left over after fishing for ice cream😮

I use BERKLEY Big game all the time. Top water, crank bait. Anything with treble hooks. I use 20lb big game flipping grass edges. My most used rod I use Suffix Advance 17lb pitching in reeds and sparse grass, Carolina rig and Texas rig. The suffix stretches less than the average mono. Have braid on frog rod, heavy flipping and a spinning rod with mono leader. Never use fluorocarbon. Once it stretches if you hook a fish of equal size the next time it will break. Knot strength sucks. Learned years ago florocarbon was nothing but a money maker for the line company. Copoly is a much better and cheaper option.

Biggest thing I learned early on is that flouro will break much easier in colder water temps, once I figured that out it has been pretty good to me. But before I figured that out I had some heart breaks on some big ones and cost me a tournament win as well. If I’m flipping or dragging in January, February or early March to mid March I just use 25 lb test where I might normally be using 20. Once the water warms up I don’t even think about it, issues for me have been extremely rare in warm water temps. I live close to Caney Lake in Louisiana and fish Toledo a lot so we have to be rigged up for big ones.

All of Pline's product line are amazing. It's all I use anymore

Great video. So many variables heat and UV light.

I always tie my line to a tree and strech it a little after a respool! It reduces memory, helps it from streching so much and most of all it test for bad spots.

I love my Berkley big game! My favorite line is 10/12lbs mono for jerkbaits!

Out in our neck of the woods, you want very abrasive resistant line for these tuna and yellowtail or you will be chewed off, and seaguar blue is best. Also, you don’t need a lot of stretch if you’re using a parabolic tip with glass and graphite. The only thing you need to do is spend some money on a Cal-star, or Seeker Rod, Phenix Magladon Series, there are many others but mostly are inferior. When you go to the dock to get on your boat try the rods in person by pulling on them.

I use P -line flouro clear. It's a copolymer line coated with flourocarbon which makes it invisible to the fish. Supple and really strong. Don't have to worry about weak knots if your knot is not perfect.

I was out of fishing when fluorocarbon blew up. When I got back in a few years ago I bought into the hype. “Invisible underwater! How can I lose?” Imagine my disappointment when I could see it underwater lol. I’ll stick with my Big Game.

In the ocean the experienced vets use Pink Ande when it comes to leader material and live bait.

I'm a fireline fan. Their 30lb test is a great line for the big flathead catfish. I use 6lbs on my crappie rod for a long cast.

Beware the advertised test vs diameter. I had some bass pro generic mono low test I was told was really strong. It certainly was. It was also of thicker diameter than almost every other brand too.

High quality mono and braid is my standard for both fresh and salt water normally This year I spooled three reels with braid mainline and Fluro leaders mainly because I bought into the hype and had to see for myself I'm an old dog stuck in my ways and don't have much faith in Fluro out performing my mono It seems from pros to weekenders including my two grown sons are using Fluro here on Florida's West coast but it's back to braid and mono the first fish that breaks off the Fluro

Fireline. I've been using it since it first came out. 6,10, and twenty pound test. I used 4lb for awhile but moved up to six because it's more durable.

After I learned how to tie a couple floro knots, have not had an issue in over 20 yrs. The knot you tie is the most important part most knots used for mono and braid will not work for floro because those knots cut into the line which is floro’s kryptonite. And the line has to be lubricated at the knot. Floro works better for me. I also only ever use Sunline. I have had problems with a couple other popular companies.

Would love to see you test Shimano Mastiff the same way

Out of the dozen or so rods that will be on the deck of my boat half will have big game mono. The other half will have various Brands and types depending on what I use those rods for. But you still can't hate on the big game

Idk what lines you used, Seaguar Invisx has very little stretch….not even close to mono stretch

I have an idea for you since you have the data already for break strength. How about breaking it down by the pound per diameter. Such as 22 pounds divided by 0.4mm would give a rating of 55 pounds per mm. Thinner line is less visible but we would know a relative strength per thickness.

Does flouro recover the same as mono after being stretched? If not, the next time you catch a fish, you won’t get that same stretch.

My favourite fluorocarbon is Braid

From the videos/research I've watched on floro: stretch, abrasions, and knot strength are all less than mono. The sink rate is where it shows a little better performance...and supposedly the "invisible" performance...

The stretch profile of 100% fluoro VS mono are different. Near the line's breaking point, fluoro and mono will have similar stretch. But fluoro will have less stretch when you have just the weight of the lure. Mono will absorb a bit of water when it gets wet. Causing mono to stretch easily.

I would love to have all the manufacturers have a standard as far as diameter. It would be much easier to test and to choose.

I love how you say all this even though I’ve broke 30 pound test braid on a backlash before 😂

I’ll run straight fluro for my stream rods… or as a leader for bass fishing… I use mono for a leader sometimes cuz it’s cheaper

I have never used flourocarbon line, I have never seen the need to buy a brittle line that does not knot well. I have always chosen lines for what i want to do with them.

Companies need to stop calling things "tactical"

Which line is better for not gettign like twist? I keep gettting line twist on my ultra light reels, and i cant tell if its because i left them outside and the sun got to them, or if its just cuz i used soemthinf that twisted it up....i also cant fix them, i ran them under hot water and it didnt help at all

lol i use fluoro for everything and enjoy watchign dudes lose fish etc have 47 setups while catching 2 fish. i literally hit lakes and rivers with eh same 3 poles i have for decades obviously some replacements. 6lb setup 8lb setup 15lb setup. ps u can even throw topwater on fluoro if you know how. and that stretch helps you not lose fish when they give those big unexpected pulls/runs and your drag isnt set proper. or needs adjusting mid fight

10/12 mono good stuff to braid or just straight up Big game can handle the snags while maximum green stresses

Fishing Line I don't like the handling, breakage vulnerability, and high cost of fluorocarbon. Pros recommend respooling for each trip. Here's my quick cost workup to do such: 

15 outfits for moving baits; 50 yds per outfit; 3 trips per week; 40 weeks per year = 90,000 yards needed 

Sunline FC Sniper 15 lb price for 1000yd spool is $149 at TW; 90,000 yards costs $13,410 per year 
Seagur InvisX 14 lb price for 1200 yd spool is $122 at TW; 90,000 yards costs $9,150 per year 
Sufix Adv 14 lb VIP price for 1200 yd spool is $70; 90,000 yards costs $5,250 per year

I don't have any scientific data, but floro had way too many break offs compared to mono. Based on my experience, floro would stretch, but lost a lot of strength,very quickly. Mono would stretch, but maintain much of its strength. I believe the technical term is cyclic fatigue for the floor failure. Even casting heavy baits causes stretch and floor tends to fail faster during multiple stretch cycles much faster than mono. The heavier the bait, the faster the failure in my experience. This was especially true when I was bay fishing and making 800-1000 casts per day.

I use 15lb big game but the low-vis green. I have a theory that the colorant/dyes make the line a bit stiffer than the clear. I throw big hard swimbaits up to 4 oz on 15lb big game with absolutely 0 issues. Flouro is a frigging nightmare

I have the testing equipment and I have tested the stretch, line diameter and break strength. The best line on the market is Strike King Tour Grade.

Trilene big game has never let me done. Tough and cheap

I use flouro for fly fishing and have never had much of a problem with it over mono. There is a difference between cheap line vs more expensive line, flouro or mono. I’ve caught many a 3-5 lb trout on 4-5lb flouro. One think between the 2 is flouro sinks and mono will float.

i watched to hear you discuss the hype that flurocarbon line is almost invisible underwater...

If two lines have similar diameters and one brakes at a much higher number then it is safe to say the one with the higher break strength is better, assuming they perform similar in other test.

20-30 lb braid to 8-15 lb mono Samurai braid. Maxima Green I have yet to snap on a 8-10 lb bass, striper haven’t even broken me off either. Daiwa Exist is a good reel that doesn’t let you down.

Bass Pro Shops Excel Mono out performs any other mono or Fluoro on the market. I've tried many. Fluro is too brittle imo. The stretch/give in mono keeps you from snapping lines AND pulling the hooks out of barely hooked fish that happens with mono and braid. Used them and went back.

Not to mention that I’ve had many spools of even higher end fluoro and I don’t believe it to be consistent always. It always feels like it’s breaking at different strengths. I think it has a shorter shelf life than mono or copoly. I think fluoro gets too brittle in the cold and breaks at a different rate. I now only use it 2# for finicky trout and panfish.

Try Sufix Siege - you’ll thank me later! 👍🏼 Durable as hell, less stretch than mono gets the wrap for, more abrasion resistant than flouro. Superior knots! Pro tip: downsize your mono to the next lb test compared to your usual flouro size. The diameter of mono is larger than flouro. 20lb Flouro=17lb mono

I don't like to over complicate fishing either. (funny you should mention) when my line breaks it's mostly because of a snag and not a fish. If you take your sweet time.....keep a.loose drag and gently play that big fish and let it run and tire out, you're not going to break your line. I use Berkley brand just because it's still make here, Good video.

In Europe,....and pretty much the rest of the world,...fishing line is sold by the diameter. That is what is considered important for your presentation, and it also gives you an idea about how the line will behave (drag of the line in the water). So you first look for the diameter and select the one with the highest braking strength. I mean, I could make you a 30lb test that is as thick as a tree or as thin as a hair. Even after living a couple of decades in North America, I still do it with diameter first.

This stretchathon was quite informative

Tyler I like your videos and I do fish fresh water. I never use Floro. I haven’t for years. I also saw the test that Salt Strong did. That just reinforced that Floro is way too expensive and I will stick with Mono.

Saw an abrasion test video that shows mono tested more back and forth reps across the sandpaper than fluoro.... mono floats fluoro sinks. They fish the same for me.

Also keep in mind mono can be manipulated more and have less stretch than almost all fluo

The best of both worlds is Yozuri fluoro-Mon hybrid line. AS LONG AS YOU REPLACE IT REGULARLY!!! When new this stud is incredibly fantastic, but it will fray more quickly than mono or fluoro so you need to run your fingers along the last few feet regularly to ensure you cut and re-tie as needed.

A lot of people don't realize that once fluorocarbon is stressed. It loses a significant amount of knot strength.

Thanks for all this videos

Stretch is good in a leader especially if using braid mainline.