You guys don't yet understand it is not automobile that are getting more expensive. It is the US dollar losing value at a record pace. For example groceries are 40% more expensive and truck is only 25% more expensive. The big Mac value meal is a great measure of the value of the USD. TLDR your money isn't worth what it was 2 years ago. Your job needs to pay 50% more now.

​@@Anthony-qq2ue it's definitely not the dollar I'm not sure if you're aware the dollar actually gained value last year at a rapid clip, it's lost some of that,but still higher value.

But CNN said…

@@seanthe100 Wrong. You have a lot of learning to do about choosing datasets that fit the narrative in order to lie to the public and steal their life's savings and future labor via inflation

@@Anthony-qq2ue "Build back better!"

Only 50k

They make em and are a hell of a lot cheaper then 50k that price is disgusting

Single cabs the future bro. Grandpa had it right for getting the job done.

My plumbers 2 wheel drive 2011 super duty has an electronic locker and it’s a basic work truck

For 4x2, absolutely. For 4x4, not absolutely.

@@Bloodcurling my Nissan Frontier pro 4x has a rear locker and is 4 wheel drive..I've been in situations where I was VERY thankful I had that locker. It makes a difference when it gets really nasty 🤷

I drive a 2021 f250 as a work truck, and the diff lock helps in certain situations, but Ford gimped it by making the locker disengage at wheels speeds above 25 mph. 25 mph wheel speed is nothing when you're stuck in snow or mud.

@@patricks.7951 Yeah, kinda like my Nissan, the locker can only be engaged in 4 low 😑 they do make a thing that plugs in the obd port that overrides it 😂 I might need one

😮 I know huh

Trucks are RIDICULOUSLY PRICED these days!!

Probably will only get worse before the go to digital currency

That's what you get when city slickers think they need a truck for a family sedan. Add all the nonsense electronic nannies (traction control, stability control, air bags, blind spot warning, pre-collision assist, oh and those stupid drive modes), you end up paying a lot of money for that garbage....that if people were actually taught how to drive none of that crap is needed.

@@wildbill23c evetually that city slickers will choose electric crappy sedans kinda Camry, Accord lol

I do like that 6.8 though

That $28,000 would be $43,000 in 2023 dollars

​@@tjhva So this truck is still $10K overpriced?

@@bryanthornton6787 I don't really think so....beyond it being way more truck the Section 179 deduction has increased a lot since then too. An even more interesting question is would someone have paid $40,000k+ for this EXACT truck back in 2005 or gone for a $28,000 base model with bad driving / leaf spring front / 5.4L etc etc

@@bryanthornton6787 you get slot more truck for the money…

I’m pretty sure Ford has offered upfitter switches as an option for at least a decade now.

Ford has offered this since at least 2011

​@@noahbouchard5155 had them in my 2005

Ya Ford had them since forever

Ford has been doing that for two decades now

I agree. I have had several ford's and still owe one today. But my 1990 chevy 1500 with the 350 had an under hood organization which was clean and well thought. My beloved Ford 300 6s and my Ford V8 and now a Powerboost look horrible!

Why will not test that amazing F350 against Ranger?? LOL

This is definitely a size/stability towing vehicle, not a heavy haul towing vehicle. I would love to get one in a dually just to have that extra protection if you have a single blowout

What a freaking mess of wires, hoses, and electronic modules. Ford, please please mandate all your engineers / designers work as mechanics for 3 years before they are allowed to design your trucks. Seriously, with some self discipline and planning, your trucks could be made “works of art under the hood.

@@bret9741 I agree, less is more

and lower the price to 38k

Maybe if you’re a farmer or municipal worker. Brutal for anything else

​@@tombrown03 for anything else, its still fine to me. Its a truck, not a maybach lol.

Trucks are supposed to be for work, want a comfy ride get a car

@@jeffforbes70 52k today is the equivalent to 38K 10 years ago... The dollar isnt worth was it was, so when you look at MSRP pricing its comparable to previous gens. Im not justifying Ford raising MSRPs, but your paying to same as you where 10 years ago for a base super duty

Whining noise from trans at idle?

😮 still to darn expensive

The mMSRP is up by over 3k over 2022

20 years ago this truck was $28,000….when you adjust for inflation that’s $43,000 *If* your wages kept up it’s not too out of scope…esp this truck will drive better and tow/haul more

@@tjhva And that is the underlying issue. Most folks' wages haven't kept up with inflation. The average person has much less buying power compared to 20 years ago.

Hahaha inflation. Record fuel prices. You name it. You voted for it.

Same here. I have 245k on my ‘12 6.2 and it still pulls with no problems.

The 7.3 is actually still available on the higher end models.

Right? Why would they add another engine. Wasn’t the 7.3 Godzilla good enough?

@@westeed1 the 6.8 is just a destroked 7.3. It's probably cheaper than running a whole other assembly line for the old 6.2 SOHC. I wonder if the 7.3 will get more power in the future

@@danr9584 because the 6.2 has been proven reliable for 10+ years now, so it’s time to dump it and head to the unknown. I’m sure the 6.8 is a great engine but why reinvent the wheel? Roughly the same power, and mpg….

@@TheAirSofterblaster200 Better emission efficiency would be my guess, EPA requires the emissions to constantly improve. So if they can save money by using the same engine assembly line and get better emissions than the 6.2 then it makes complete sense from their view.

F350 is a big unit. Damn that things huge

Yup, same here. I’m gonna hold on to that truck for as long as I can!

I bought a 2020 6.7 power stroke lariat with 18k of options for 65k.

​@@mikeraftis6332thats so much

Might be easier to work on, but looks like dog water.

@@Constabruity Agree. My trucks are dusty mess within months of ownership anyway, not popping the hood at a car show...

Its no LS motor thats for sure.

@@martinlebreton6391 This is a much beefier design than the current SBC offerings, that's for sure.

@@hotshtsr20 well the LS are easy to work on. This looks like an abortion under the hood.

420k on my 6.2 all I've done is change the oil and plugs

Same, really loved that engine but I think this will be a good motor.

Yep I had one with over 200k on it that I never had to do anything to. Just oil, brakes and plugs.

I'm glad to see a switch back to OHV instead of SOHC, I've got a bad taste in my mouth of ford timing chains after the 4.0 and 3.5

6.2 are absolute beasts, great towing mpg for a gasser, plenty of torque and they’re WAY less expensive than the diesels.

When u pay more for less tho ;)

Probably like 50k too 😂😂😂

That's why American's love trucks. That and our gas isn't $9 a gallon.

"step inside, let's get you into a new truck today."

Now that's a mall hopper for sure..🤣🤣

Higher trims have a door over both the top and bottom glove box.

Terrible prices

Your 100% right and the fx4 is like what its should have stx

Pretty nice option for 60K? Only if you're using it for business and get a tax write off. The days of the average Joe owning a new HD truck just because they like it are pretty much over.

There's no big block, unless there's a small block also

@@Bloodcurling the 6.8 and 7.3 are both small blocks

​@@daveb1081 Correct, although one could argue it's more of a "medium" block like people do for the FE engines I suppose. It's about the size of a 351W or C.

This was Ford's bet and it's paying off. The 6.8 V10 had it's issues, but was actually pretty dang successful over its 2 decade run, and I've seen many with 400K miles. But it's a massive beast, overhead cams are completely unnecessary, and the split pin crank design and balancer are not nearly as strong as the forged cranks these Godzilla engines are getting. The 6.8 is a fleet owner's wet dream. And I can't wait to throw a pull out 6.8 or 7.3 into my daily driver (panther). 7.3 at $1750 extra is a no brainer to me if I were buying one for myself, but buying 100+ trucks, that's a lot of money saved.

They don't want to become deaf. That thing will scream like a banshee up the IKE.

You’re right. Their pricing on lower trim levels isn’t outrageous at all. I just got a crew cab long bed 4x4 F250 with 7.3, 4.30 axle and 48 gallon tank for $49,000 after ford employee discount. The sticker was $57,000. It has tons of options. Remote start, tailgate step, bed liner, LED bed lighting, 8” screen with apple car play, auxiliary switches, vinyl seats and floors, sirius xm, dual batteries and alternators, mud flaps, wheel well liners, tinted windows, etc. Everything I wanted and nothing I didn’t. I don’t care about massaging seats. Lol.

@Clifford Montana That's an awesome deal! I'm honestly surprised at the current pricing of the new superduty's. It's going to be difficult for the competitors to be in the same price range. Hopefully the dealers won't mark up these trucks too badly. Enjoy your new superduty I'm looking forward to getting one!

@@aaronkowalewski659 Thanks man! Lots of guys who can’t afford higher trim trucks waste money on fancy stuff they don’t need and will cost WAY more to upkeep. Diesels are a NIGHTMARE outside of warranty and have high maintenance costs. LED headlights and taillights are cool…but they cost 3-4k new…and if they break outside of warranty just ONE headlight can be $1500. Buy an XL with vinyl seats that are almost as nice as leather. The base screen is 8” but poor dudes are paying tons of money to get the fancier 12” screen. Get a drop in bed liner instead of spray in bed liner and save $200. Massaging seats WILL fail, sunroofs WILL leak. Keep it relatively basic and you’re good. I threw badass 20” wheels and tires on my truck and now my “base” truck looks like it costs 100k. People can’t believe that I only paid 55k with the wheels,tires and state tax. I’m going to keep this truck for a decade at least. Get your order in! It costs nothing and there’s almost a year wait. Good luck bro.

@Clifford Montana Thanks! That's exactly how I ordered my Titan in 2008 it's got 376k miles on it. With only basic maintenance. It's as basic as it can be, and you're right. The simpler things are, the less likely they are to break. I plan on doing everything that you described. I'm going this weekend to get my order in! Plus, I still can't believe that an 8" screen is standard! A couple of years ago, that was lariat or higher trim! I appreciate the advice!!

@@aaronkowalewski659 Titans are awesome trucks. The 5.6 is a great motor. Sounds good and fast!

That's what... ...said. beat you to it

They're having all sorts of engine problems with that 7.3L unfortunately. Sounds like the 6.8L V8 would be a better option for those who want reliability...400+ Horsepower is more than plenty for towing/hauling needs...the old 7.5L 460 V8 was only rated at 365HP stock, yep they could be tuned, but you'd also have reliability problems as a result...they were built to work all day long without breaking a sweat, that is what you want in a truck, you don't want all that bloated HP and torque to get you into trouble, and it definitely will very quickly. For example that HO diesel puts down 500-600HP and 1,000+ foot pounds of torque....very terrible idea to put a common family sedan driver into for a weekend jaunt to the mountains with their toy hauler. They got all that power, but they don't have the slightest clue how to properly handle it...they get that fancy toy hauler flying down the freeway at 80+mph and quickly find out that truck handles it like it don't exist, but a slight emergency/panic situation and they can't control what happens when they jam on the brake pedal, that mess ain't stopping from that high rate of speed like they think it can and they plow into everything in front of them as a result. 400HP is plenty for most tasks unless you are pulling heavy every day all day long then that HO diesel would be good.

​@wildbill23c The 7.3 is one of the most exciting gas engines to come out in years. The internet has a few failures out of hundreds of thousands made tiktok goes crazy now every 7.3 has serious problems lol. There were a few bad lifters put out during covid but talking to delivery drivers and ford techs in my area they all say the engine has been solid no problems. Makes me wonder if alot of this ain't overblown with social media hype. I've heard a few people say this about the lifters but nobody has actually known a real one fail yet just social media feeds. I'm guessing either way the 23 and up models are probably fixed. It's a simple engine design and it's 5th year of production now. For the record never buy the first couple years of anything new I learned that on guns buying new models having trouble. Wait atleast a couple years let the bugs get worked out.

Same, there's been almost ZERO coverage over it until now. I'm glad to finally get a quick review of it.

I’m not certain but I think chassis cab vehicles have the 7.3 as the base offering.

The 7.3L is more a replacement for the V-10. The 6.8L is filling the slot the 6.2L held for the previous decade.

Kevin Cameron is the guru of engineering here. The whole idea of overhead cams is to reduce reciprocating mass. This in turn allows higher RPM numbers. This is important for small engines that spin above 5000 rpm to make power, like motorcycle engines and small auto engines. That's why the OHC concept was wasted on the Fords and Mopars. These truck engines aren't going to be making very many dragstrip passes so usable power low in the RPM range allows the use of less complicated technology to achieve the desired goal. Funny how the present is returned to the past. The 7.3 is basically a Mopar 440, 6.8 converts to 414.9 cubic inches, still pretty beefy. The Mopar engine here is the 413, which was a smaller bore than the 440, IIRC, but used the same block and crank. Ford used the same block and bore, but like the 351C and the 400, chose to destroke the larger engine.

I like everything but the exterior and price,,,no more than 45k as equiped,,though I suspect their GONA go down in price

How is $50000 reasonable...

@@OBS4ever16 because in 2005 this same truck (F350 / 4x4) was $28,000….adjusted for inflation that’s $43,000 If your wages kept up (not all have) it’s fair all things considered, esp since a base model truck 20 years later will be nicer

@@OBS4ever16 It's 2023

​@@OBS4ever16 It's not.

@@tjhva The problem being that most wages have not kept up with inflation.

The thing I miss most is a manual trans. Still rocking a 4 speed granny in my old F250. The next on my list is an A pillar I coild easily see around. These trucks are busy inside.

You are also living in the 2000s with your opinion on price. Those prices are gone and are NEVER coming back.

@@mikek5298 Where are you living? it's the 2000's right now lmao

Exactly. I hope all the manufacturers go bankrupt the way the profit margins are getting ridiculous. Fleets are going to keep their current vehicles longer.

@@mikek5298 Not really... I bought a new 2018 Chevy 1ton 4x4 crewcab LT pretty loaded with options, MSRP was around the same as this basic truck now.. (I'm not going to count the 8K off msrp I got in the spring of 2019).. Just a few short years ago.. I agree with you, prices are not going back.. MFG will never over produce again. Maybe someday their might be value to buy again, I don't see it in the short to medium future. Good luck out there!

@@mikek5298 Bought a work truck in 2000 for 15k it now has 305k miles on it and I still drive it. So what your saying is the cost of these trucks have tripled in price to build in 23 years? Do you think wages have increased enough to cover the increase in consumer goods? I think it is crazy that the manufacturers have let the cost exceed what the average consumer can afford. This is another bailout in the making.

Probably about 15-16 MPG average now.

Still get its ass whipped.

Those stimulus checks weren’t free 🎉

@@jasonlarsen3515 Exactly. Thats why we need to get sleepy joe out of office😤

Worse on maintenence and fuel

Why would that make it more durable?

The Ford website has a great section that shows all the towing specifications.

@@Matticus289 Engine is less stressed

@@Matticus289 same block and bearings with slightly shorter stroke meaning the pistons don’t travel as far. Little less rotating mass on the same bearing surfaces. Also slightly lower power output on the same parts. Should mean a little less wear.