Plus the drop in brightness. Thanks.

I've been following Rtings tests and it doesn't seem like the OLEDs they've been testing lose brightness any quicker than many LED TVs. Personally I've had my LG C1 since launch, have about 5000 hours on it and no perceived brightness loss.

​@@mattbouwmeester455Well 5000 hours isn't enough and that's the problem with OLEDs they haven't been out long enough to get such data. My third monitor is an Eizo ev2736w and the usage time in the menu has maxed out at 65535 hours at this point, and yet there are zero dead pixels and no color or brightness issues at all. Until OLED or another new tech can achieve this it will forever be a beta anti-consumer product.

Does OLED lose brightness and color?

I don't think that does too much on QD-Oled since all LEDs are the same and colour only gets converted by quantum dots, which do not age.

Okey but this is still more of a non-scientific experiment than any hard proof. Just because he gets or doesn’t gets burn-in won’t mean that you will or won’t. For example he might be using lots of white static elements while you prefer dark ones , that alone makes a big difference that might lead him to burn in while you won’t any. He might be using it for more hours than you , that might lead to burn in while you wouldn’t , he might be turning down Oled care features that you wouldn’t mind having fully enabled (for example in my LG C3 42 that I used as of monitor , I have all the features fully enabled because I don’t mind them one bit , while some people even buys special factory controllers to disable even the ones that aren’t optional. So that might lead him to burn it , that you won’t get. But it might also be the other way around. He edits video , so while he does have static elements, his screen might be much more dynamic every day than yours is, so you might get burn it while he doesn’t. He tweaked the settings to 200 nits while you might have a brighter room and have the monitor running as bright as it is capable of going , wich most people does with their monitors. That also might lead you to burn in that he won’t get. His type of static elements might wildly vary from your type of static elements. Going back to video editing , it’s not the same to have a dark taskbar , and some dark grey tool bars as static elements, that let’s say, having A full screen white sheet with excell or Email or Microsoft word or any office app that is basically a big white sheet , during 8 hours a day. Producing full screen burning. While he wouldn’t get that. Or maybe neither of you get any burn-in regardless of what you do , because Oled has become quite safe , and unless you run them through R-Tings torture tests they seem to hold just fine. But my point is that his results won’t be representative for you, for the good or for the bad. Your best indicative are forums , on Reddit for example. If the majority of people aren’t having issues , it’s likely to be safe. Otherwise, it’s likely a risk

You could run two displays with the OLED as a secondary in windows, the taskbar will be on the other monitor and always accessible. I have found this to be the best compromise as many games can be configured to run by default on the secondary display.

You can just make it pop up every time your cursor comes near the bottom. It's actually no issue at all.

An oled display is nice to have if you only use it as a secondary or tertiary monitor. I have a c2 as my third monitor and only turn it on when I want to play a game or watch something.

@DraconicA5 I got it as the main monitor. I don't have to work on my PC anymore, so I use it only for games and movies. So, the G8 Odyssey was the ideal choice.

For 8 hours a day i wouldnt go for oled

I know. Still, I'm curious to know how much you can "torment" the new OLEDs before incurring burn-in: I wouldn't use it as I use my IPS obviously, but if it were to be durable enough (let's say 1 year of max stress use without burn-in) it would mean that with all the attention it can last at least 3 years, which is my wish@@FrankOnline007

​@@FrankOnline007being able to afford oled is good enough for some people to buy it

I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often. After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.

@jakevanoostrum622 i do understand what you're saying, but im expecting my monitor to last at least 5 years. Especially for the prices. wouldnt trust oled with that much strain for so long. But i am stressed about it indeed.

It was the only way to get rid of Molly.

it's his job. like LITERALLY he gets paid to do this

It's still nice of him :) @@a36538

⁠@@a36538you do know that’s not a serious comment right?

Hes not even taking one for the team. He only had it on for 250 hours. This test is useless

All my oled screens in phones suffered of burn in 1-2 years later if used on maximum brightness. Not really sure how this would affect a 200nits screen setting as 200nits is relativelly low for a oled. I doubt you going to have a issue at that level maybe at 400nits yes.

@@spawntohell Just pure BS. I had 10+ OLED phones and 5+ OLED TVs running at full brightness and never seen burn-in yet.

​@spawntohell im not sure what you re doing to your phones, but ive had an amoled phone used and abused for 7 years with no burn in

same my average on time is super high for my LG C1 i have thousands of hours and its still perfect

@@Dr.WhetFarts my s22 ultra has terrible burn in after about 10 months, my alienware DWF doesn't as far as i can see and I've had it for 8+ months

Any brightness loss? I guess it's hard to test without hardware

Same with my Samsung Oled G8 with the same panel 👍🏻

What do you guys think of the lg ultra gear OLED? Same burn in resistance?

I bought mine around the same time, and I've started to notice burn ins about a month ago. It's not too bad or distracting, but it's there. I'd say I mostly use it for web browsing and occasional gaming, something like 30/70.

I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often. After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.

Not done right when he is using a pixel refresh feature an LCD doesn't need.

​@robertlawrence9000 Why is it not done right? He is simulating the typical real world usage of the monitor. The way most oled monitor owners would use them. With pixel refresh feature turned on.

@@alihms Well the title says, "I'm Deliberately Burning In My QD-OLED Monitor" but he's not. He's using non traditional screen saving features still. When I own a monitor I would use as my main screen, it may be on several days straight without being turned off. Just like the LCD monitor I have today that I have had for 10 years and no issues. I let it run UKposts with all of the PC borders showing when I am not interacting much other than watching from a distance or have in playing in the background when I am doing stuff around my house.

@@robertlawrence9000 @robertlawrence9000 I agree the title is misleading. But the test is representative of typical PC users. Very few oled users leave their monitors on continuously for days like in your case.

How far do your sit away from the screen?I‘m using a LG C3 42“ for some weeks know and i still can‘t get used to it. I‘m really on the fence for one of the new 4k 32“ Oleds but i don‘t know if this really an upgrade. 240hz is nice, but for know Most of the games i play can barely hit ~120fps even with my 4090

@@kaykayYTubeHey I also use a C3 42in. I have an 80cm deep desk and the monitor is pushed all the way back. This gives me a great compromise between sitting tight at the desk when working from home (3d modelling, technical drawings, documentation) and I can split it into 2-3 windows comfortably, or I can ease back a bit when playing games. And with a controller I can even sit on my bed. I came from a 27 inch gaming monitor and it's better in every sense. You will get used to it trust me. If you have a very small desk you might hate it, but if possible just get a little deeper desk. I have a 6950xt and same I wouldn't ever use more than 120 in the games I play. I have it since release and there's no burn-in to speak of.

There is no reason whatsoever to buy OLED for work. Just choose from one of many color accurate LCD monitors intended for professionals. OLED is for content consumption.

lmfao this is a great guess

@@Glotttis the problem is when your station is for work 8hrs a day, but play / media in the evening :). The older subpixel layout was for me a reason to not go with it for work. Also, it needs to be 27" or less and be straight, not curved. These newer models might be interesting.

@@jorismak exactly, I guess I could have elaborated. I don't really care about OLED for work at all. Nothing I do involves color accuracy or display fidelity. That said, I really really want OLED for gaming. Once they sort out the burn in situation so I won't have anxiety when buying a 1k+ dollar monitor, then I'm in. Unless microled is a thing by then lol.

@@jorismakI'm trying to picture your working/living situation :D You know these gaming OLED monitors are 1000$+. You could get 2x IPS monitors with great specs for that price, which is much superior for work than just 1 OLED monitor. Doesn't sound like you are very serious about your work tbh. And it's not like you can't game or watch videos on IPS monitors. I mean, this kinda sounds like "mom I need this for school" situation :D

I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often. After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.

​@@jakevanoostrum622Even if issues start appearing after warranty period (3y) it's a valid concern when you buy an expensive consumer good that potentially becomes worse and worse over the years.

can't blame how disastrous first gen oled were making the perception of OLED tech as a fragile matter

Do have have any burn-in mitigation settings turned on?

@@TheRealBOBlibob "Screen Move" is set to "Mode 1", it's not distracting at all, and I could notice it shifting pixels like once or twice "Screen Saver" is also turned on, it turns display black if a static image is displayed for around 10 minutes

Great! This tells us nothing. You might be out studying or working in an office most of the day, and only plaing games a couple hours on weekend. Or you might be using static productivity apps for 12 hours a day. And regardless, that's, like... under a year of use anyway.

@@Lishtenbird forgot to mention this in the original comment. I'm using this monitor as my primary display for games, videos and office work (mixed usage). It's reporting just under 2500 hours of usage time. Let me update the comment

Wow! Under a year! What a miracle! You guys really take the cake for the most below average IQ takes when it comes to OLED burn in.

When you pay 2000$CAD+ for a monitor that has potential for having burn-in, it is VERY justifiable for anybody to feel kind of streesed out and paranoid about OLED burn-in. (even a 700$USD OLED monitor - which amounts to roughly 950$CAD - it's still an investment you want to have for more than 2-3 years)

If I'm spending $1000 on a monitor, I want it to last a lot longer than a year. More like 5+ years.

@@Lebon19 he's not saying it's not justifiable that they feel stressed. He's saying he doesn't believe that the technology is bad enough that they need to worry about burn in, and therefore, should not feel stressed. If it doesn't burn in, or doesn't do so quickly, it's not worth worrying about. If burn in isn't that fast, or severe, t's the same as range anxiety in EVs. What those people need is therapy because there's no range issue with their actual usage.

@@shapular ahh so you need to wait a year, and ask Jake to come back and leave another comment so you can see if it's burned in at 2 years then you can buy an OLED and use it for everything, not just gaming or watching films.

@@shapularthen you have to wait 5 years for reports from others. I think you're being overly paranoid, but you can wait 5 years instead.

like washing machines, once warranty is over - its gna die and gna be more expensive to repair than buying a new one xD

no worry, manually burn the monitor on the last day and get a new one.

Hey, quick question does the pg32ucdm do the pixel cleaning when it's powered off? Or does it do it in standby? I have one and I still have figured it out.

Pixel refresh will run automatically when the monitor is off but there is no indicator it is running. Pixel refresh also occurs after a bit of time in standby. You'll see the logo blink orange 5 times indicating it is starting and blinks 5 times again once it is done. I recommend you just run it manually once a day. ASUS recommends it be done every 4 hours of heavy use.​@@shortyorc121

Pixel refresh happens automatically after a certain time of being off, but there is no indicator. Pixel refresh occurs in standby after a few minutes blinking orange 5 times and blinking orange 5 times again signaling it's finished. ASUS recommends pixel refresh be run every 4 hours of heavy use. I would just run it manually once a day at some point so you know it actually ran​@@shortyorc121

@@shortyorc121 Going by what Tim said in this video, all the OLED protection stuff is done in standby then it powers off. If the monitor is off nothing is happening.

Yup that's why I go with miniled...wen OLED get cheap then maybe I will try one

Around 4 to 6 months is when I noticed it on workstation use. Around 8 to 12 hrs a day. Seen far to many burn in, in that time period and come back. If you want to speed things up massively run anything out of aspect ratio

I'd assume that this is not a QD-OLED right? Since QD-OLED is meant to be more resilient to burn-in allegedly, and if you use it for movies and gaming (likely with all the protection measures maxed out), you should get more use of it right?@@lilpain1997

@@lilpain1997Speaking of contrast, for home office I realised if I set the contrast (highlight brightness basically) lower on my C3 it's both easier on the eyes for text, and also makes light mode only apps (lots of professional applications) not shine so damn bright for no reason which probably saves the screen.

@@phantomflame0658 not sure why my phone auto corrected aspect to contrast... Probably because I been looking at contrast paints a ton lol. But I meant aspect ratio

Can second this. Aw3423dw on release used like a regular monitor 8 hours + a day. Going onto 3 years now, still no burn in.

Can third this. Oled is absolutely fine. Use pixel shift and just enjoy the technology

Most people know it's fine for gaming. The point of this test is specifically for productivity use cases which OLEDs are not recommended for to this day.

Me -> chad 3440x1440p VA panel user running his screen day and night on 100% brightness.

Oh god get over it and just enjoy the damned thing. I’ve abused my C2 like any other TV for 3 years and not a single microscopic sign of burn in. It will be the same with the AW I just got. These companies are giving out free burn in warranty for very good reason. They know it’s superstitious nonsense.

I completely agree. The peace of mind factor for current users is significant, and for those considering buying OLED but a bit concerned for burn in this is basically a decision maker. Even at this early stage, with the conditions in which Tim uses his monitor (250+ hours at 8+ hours per day almost exclusively for productivity) kinda settles it for mixed use users.

@@w04h That's... the whole point of this test. To see what "way worse" means. I think what OP means is that they are deliberately handling their monitor with kid-gloves to save it from burn in. Knowing how it might react given Tim's test could mean using the monitor for everything (i.e. mixed use) without fear.

@@elitepauper7400same. I can’t imagine getting 1k+ monitor and be afraid to use it. I’d rather get good miniled instead. It might be a bit worse but i can just use it 24/7

Bruv, gaming is easier on it. No one makes an HDR brightness hud, so no worries.

If you look at the accelerated burn in test from RTINGS (really absolute worst case), many oled panels start showing severe burn in after just 6 months. On the Sony A95K (also QD-Oled), some burn in is visible after 4 months (roughly 2100hrs).

@@leoklaus I believe they used absolutely no burn in prevention measures, just full blown permanent static images

​@leoklaus wasn't it also the Sony that didn't actually run any pixel refresh? I need to go re watch.

​​​@@SmellsLikeNirvanna They're not static images. They're all tuned to the CNN channel. And I believe they're just set to max brightness without disabling prevention measures You can check their "How We Designed Our BIGGEST TV & OLED Longevity Test Ever" video from last year and at 8:14 they explain how they run the test. The TVs aren't on 24/7, they let the refresh cycles run and don't show a static image.

@@SmellsLikeNirvanna No. They're displaying a live stream of US CNN. There are some static elements in that stream, but so are there in real world usage (taskbar, window borders, HUD). They also allow the TVs/Monitors to turn off multiple times a day and for 5 hours 3 times a week specifically to allow pixel refreshes and other anti burn in measures to run. I'm not sure but I doubt they actively disable anti burn in features. It's not 100% representative of real world use, but it's pretty much as close as you can get without actually waiting for months or years.

Burn-in schmurn-in. OLED is established panel tech at this point

Look at Rtings massive long-term burn-in test. There's your argument.

@@ronniekregar3482 not if my usecase is about 6h of static content every day

@@ronniekregar3482 established for who? Its niche tech outside of TVs.

@@FuburLuck I have almost 17,000 hours on my 48CX being used as a PC monitor. And based on RTINGS, it is way more susceptible to burn-in than modern OLED panels. RTINGS is doing a torture test, it is not remotely indicative of real world usage. Nobody would run their monitor in HDR at full brightness for productivity. Simply due to the annoying ABL and searing eye pain it would cause. And lowering the brightness exponentially increases the life of the panel.

C1 gang. I got similar hours on mine, although i use it as a tv. Hope our c1s last.

C1 Gang checking in. The C1 is still kicking and looks as good as the day I bought it (I have been using it as a monitor since day 1)

check again on a dark grey background. You will be surprised

@@burai647 I have just recalibrated the monitor using DisplayCal last week and didn't notice any burn in. The display does have noticeable-ish "Venetian Blind Effect" but has been there since day one and you can only see it during solid dark gray images. VBE is normal for these displays.

To be fair 5k hours is nothing lol. My old tv that I just gave to my mother is about 5-6 years old now with probably 20-30k hours on it with zero degradation. Now if Oleds could reliably do that consistently then I'd be impressed.

They are, but more data is always good. Just because one group does something well doesn’t mean others can’t also look into that thing.

RTINGS reviews are valuable however this is completely different use case RTINGS displays TV 24/7 this is desktop app usage which is more relevant to the PC crowd

both answers are correct

You're way off ;). Will be a couple years, worst case scenario.

@@sirgriffinmanYou wish, not with that (normal) usage...3-4 months, same as for Linus :)

@@MrAve20 I have many OLED's in my home, it will last just fine.

@@sirgriffinman I'm sure it was fine, I have LG WOLED too, but this test is with completely different usage and approach - using OLED like LCD without treating it like an egg....

Rtings just set a static image and run it 24/7 i think. Not everyday use.

Did they with rhe qd oled too? What happened at the end?

@@xkyoLoPaRto hey that’s a great question. I know they have WOLED running the test but not sure on QD OLED

@@anvior45 Valid point, that is one of the differences your right

@@anvior45 they used a cnn stream. Thats close enough to real world usege as there are moving elements on the screen.

Everybody I know be leaving their p5 on sleep mode lol

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My c2 42 is just over 2300 hrs now.

They're blasting full brightness 24/7, that's ridiculous. I always calibrate my shit to 120 nits and use shit normally, I would most likely *never* have any burn in.

@@GrainGrown Yeah it's very unfair even for us running professional static apps for 8 hours it's really not the same thing. They don't even run the calibration/pixel refresh when you turn it off. And a lot of us will turn the "contrast" (white highlight brightness) way down to like 60 because light mode only apps are otherwise too jarring and strain your eyes. 100 is the most accurate but only needed for games and content.