Hi Vex, the 2 slots are not there for anythig to be solder onto them. Memory chips can work in 32 or 16 bit modes... and so on. 320(bit) / 20(GB RAM) = 16 256 / 8 = 32 256 / 16 = 16 192 / 6 = 32 192 / 12 = 16 ...and so on. That gives you a picture of what is possible. You can cheat a bit but then you get situation like with GTX970 where some of the VRAM works much slower than it should. (192 / 16 = 12 so this is not viable) Hope that helps!

Amazing Video like always. Please make video about Nvidia Gen to Gen peformance and price diffrence . Because RTX 4070 Ti shoud be named RTX 4070 and priced at 550-600$ from the beginning . Like we RTX 3070 was faster the RTX 2080 by 20% and now RTX 4070 has same RTX 3080 performance . RTX 4070 Ti is better then RTX 3080 by 20%. Nvidia missleading by using wrong names and higher prices . Even power draw efficiency is lie because RTX 3070 has 220 watt TDP and RTX 4070 Ti (the real RTX 4070) has the same power draw and the same goes on for the rest of GPU's.

Anything looks good compared to previous 40 series cards. They are all overpriced. comparing a bad price to a bad price is still a bad price. Also your channel has come a long way from 1k subs! Grats on your growth, your great, keep it up, more subs will come!

@@dontsupportrats4089 Yeah let's wish they go back to track in next RTX 5000 and i wish AMD wake up and make reboot like they did with Ryzen CPU and i hope Intel make good GPU too so we see good competition to make the performance better for less money . Thx bro i just dropped my channel i just did it for fun when i was playing Battle royale hhhh

GREAT IDEA for this video. Congrats man!

ram and ginpped bus and bet you next gen will have another feature that will make the current one obsolete at least if you are stupid enough to buy ngreedia in the first place. i have both ngreedia and amd and wish all were amd....

That's by design hopping that you upgrade every generation.

​@@thepro08man I wish AMD made their own AI upscaler that games used. My only way to get high FPS in the new ARK is with DLSS

And AMD uses more VRAM than Nvidia even on GPUs with the same amount of VRAM. Perhaps you should ask why. In some scenarios the difference be well over 1GB on a 8GB Nv vs 8GB AMD GPU. Why is this? Is AMDs compression just that bad? Nvidia doesnt seem to need as much VRAM. Regardless. If you're a muppet that have to play everything on ULTRA (no reason to do so) then you should reconsider. Also 3 years from now, textures on Medium will be what todays Ultra is. So it doesnt matter. UNless you're a pixelpeeper at 4K. People rave about VRAM a lot. But in 99% of the scenarios, you wont notice adifference between texture qualities unless you literally stand still and pixelpeep. From a normal viewing distance of 60-80cm then you wont notice a lick of a differnce between todays High and Ultra. All you're doing is getting upset about something you're not really missing out on. Anyway in 3 years from now, judging by todays games, the current 7800xt and 4070 S will be long obsolete in raster anyway.

@@haewymetalI agree with this but it’s a little aggressive lol. I have an 8gb VRAM card and I haven’t had any issues with 1440p gaming even with high textures. The only game that I have been limited by VRAM on is the RE4 remake, which is notoriously VRAM hungry. Even then, it just meant I could only have the textures most of the way to maximum instead of max. I think unless you’re doing path tracing at 4k, 12gb will be plenty for years to come. And if you ARE doing path tracing at 4k, you wouldn’t buy a 4070 in the first place.

But if you are potentially about to spend 600-700 $ or £ on a graphics card shouldn't spending 40 or 50 minutes (at least) researching the product be the very thing you SHOULD be doing?

@@TheMicj38 if I am not buying right now maybe I am evaluating or comparing

it is fantastic, until the original creators get pissed off at Vex for stealing their viewer numbers

@@defnotatroll yep this kind of content is stealing viewers for sure, and it's lower effort too, just take results from others and summarize it. Just like chat those chat GPT AI that take people ideas, writing and summarize all of it

Nah I have to agree with TheMicj38, you really need to spend time on stuff like this. If you are planning on buying something at this price point and only do the bare min research its on you if you get burned.

i just bought the 7800xt xfx quick, its a good card mw3 170-180fps on max settings, and the colours are far better then my rtx3060ti which i replaced with the 7800xt

@@aeroflopper The colours? That's your screen handling those xD

@@jesper164a and your graphics card too

@@aeroflopperis it good on blender, video editing and stuff

@@jesper164a same screen?

Yes, they are both trying to just slightly be faster than the other to say they're better, so they can then have the higher price. Nvidia could have sold the 4080 for 750$ and instantly win the generation, but they decided since it's predicted to be faster than AMD's flagship then they may as well charge more than what AMD would charge for their flagship. They're just trying to squeeze more money out of less and less consumers. The reason they often show big improvements (especially Nvidia for counting FG as real FPS) over last gen is to say to people who haven't upgraded "look how bad your GPU is now, you need to upgrade!". Jensen Huang himself directly addressed GTX 1000 owners saying "it's safe to upgrade" at the launch of Ampere, which is the exact moment I realised Nvidia went corrupt. AMD isn't doing much better, just copying some of Nvidia's homework and switching it up and making it marginally better. Hopefully Intel Battlemage can give Huang and Dr Su a reality check.

@@Crazicali hope the battlemage is insane value and rocks the market. We need the market to reset in a good way for consumers. Well see though. Theres a ton of potential in the mid range market as thats where a majority of pc gamers hang.

@@RareEvening It wont be because they'll only be releasing the base model due to it being too 'expensive' to have multiple cards. At least that's what they're saying for now.

AMD wants to get rid of RDNA2 stock, and from now untill rdna4 they will want to get rid of rdna3 stock. My prediction is massive cuts when rdna4 is released, and rdna4 will bring current highend performance for midrange prices. Then when RDNA5 is out, the 8800xt/8700xt will become "budget"/ low midrange cards, and the 9xxx cards will be a new tier of performance at nvidia prices. Meanwhile there will be apus as powerful as the 6600/6650xt with zen 6 / ddr6 which will have 64-128GBps bandwith per dimm

@@Crazical I understand why Nvidia behaves this way, as they have 80%+ of the dedicated GPU market share and they can get away with it. It just doesn't make sense why AMD refuses to put out better value cards and start moving units to gain some ground on Nvidia. They aren't even trying to compete in this space. They seem content to let Nvidia dominate them and at this rate even Intel could eventually surpass them. We need some of that innovation from the CPU side

Its a lot of money bruvh hmmm

Dude even if I have $600 I still don't wanna buy this. The pricing on gpu products like this one is just unacceptable

PS2 at launch in 2000 was $300, accounting for inflation thats $580 today. A high end graphics card for the price of a console? Pretty cheap to me. But most people are bad with their money.

​@@ThisisCitrusok

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Exactly, this is why i dont like it when people talk about things they dont know anything about and jump to assumtions and made up conclusions...this looks just bad for them and he fell for this trap and not for the first time... but its good to see, that i'm not the only one pointing that out. cheers. :)

Bytesizetech explained in a recent video that in order to use >12GB with the 192 bit bus of these GPUs, the GPU should run at lower speeds or just double the 12GB to 24GB, or something like that (don't remember).

@@Adri9570 You cant exceed the 12GB as each chip needs 32bit making it 6 chips à 2GB at a 192Bit interface. The only way would be to use bigger and more expensive Modules, which pretty much do not exist yet...as we just got the 2gig sized ones a while ago. Well yes, you could also try double stacking on the backside aswell, but that brings its own problems and doesnt work very well, if not intentionally made for with the controllers and co. Not to mention the additional power, voltage, phases and generated heat again... The 3+Gig ones will probably only coming with GDDR7 and RTX5000.

best choice you have made

Only 7% faster bc memory bus is only 192 bits. 7800XT has 4G more VRAM on a 256 bits memory bus.

@@tringuyen7519 that 192 bit memory bus is killer at 1440p or 4k. everyone talks about 12gb of vram and frankly ya its a little low especially for the cost but would still be ok for a while its the memory bus being 192bit that really makes me question why its marketed as a 1440p card because it isnt going to age well and already struggling on newer titles at those higher resolution. 1440p card needs a 256 bit bus at minimum. frankly its obvious the 4060 was suppose to be a new 50 series card and 70 was suppose to be a 60 series card and 4070ti super should have been the 4070 from the start except with original core count.

@@KraziAgent-cj8cx Why did you buy 2 cards and at such close classes?

@@clockworklegionaire2135 Stoooopidaty

720 EUR in EU

​@@VitoldsTheDestroyerYEP. Depends when you live tho cause German TAX IS CRAZY. Greek vat is 24% Soo that's also 720 euros lol

I see no point in buying one. Many 4070 ti cards are the same price

Aussies always complain about prices as if they get uniquely screwed yet from what I've seen usually pc parts cost roughly the same here in Europe.

@@BackSlashJvb125 FE Model costs 659 including tax, but good customs, like the Gigabyte Gaming Oc for example can easily get above 700, but lets see where they land in a few weeks, they are new, so they come full price and even with a premium.

That's completely fair, the 7800xt is a great card, I'm also currently on a 1070 and was thinking about upgrading to a 7800xt for a while, but ultimately I ordered a 4070 super the other day and am waiting for it to arrive this weekend. It mainly came down to raytracing and DLSS for why I chose to go for the 4070 super, it really was close though, I basically decided that I would wait and see how the 4070 super performed in reviews, and if it didn't do well enough I'd have pulled the trigger on the 7800xt (also if AMD aggressively dropped the price to £450 that would have also given me serious room for thought).

You can have the AMD mess. Me never again

​@@Asfanboy1nobody cares

surprised you didnt go for the 6800xt when that was heavily cut down in price@@thesyndrome43

@@MrBALAKUMARA then why did you write the message?

Yeah, I think the 2 slots could be for 8GB (1GB x 8) on this bus cut to 128-bit. The problem is that BIOS for that configuration will never exist. At least outside of nVidia labs. That would be a much worse card though.

Exactly. My guess is that manufacturers are using the same PCB for the AD104 and AD103 GPUs in order to save money.

I'm not sure about how much its hitting them. All the people who need like 20+ gb for work-related stuff are forced to buy 3090s /4090s when otherwisely they might just need a lot less performance

​@@Alice_Fumoaye, it's an upsell product.

In stock where? I haven't seen any since launch

⁠@@nnightkingjbruh what? tons on amazon, newegg, walmart etc

But they'll be plenty buying 4080 super cards out of stock

I got mine for around $500!

I got the XFX speedster Qick for $500 on the dot. Gotta love Christmas specials.

7800xt works on decent 600w psu no problems even overcloked with over 300w power, ref model of 7800xt is quite small GPU and 4070 super is not selling good at all..

Got mine a month ago and 1440p gaming has been great.

what about blender, video editing etc..

@@yetofetta I don't use them but blender supports amd cards and there are video editing software that do as well.

​@@yetofettaVery small amount of ppl use it for that

same bro very happy

Me here Waiting for the 4090 to drop😂. Pray for me

​@@mikelay5360you'll be waiting for a while.

@@mikelay5360 Hope you are a patient person 😀😁🤣

We will 😂​@@mikelay5360

Snagged a PNY 4090 from Walmart at $1700 in December.. worth the wait... Good luck

Even at top of the range it means a lot, it's the difference between an 'entry' and 'premium' model of a 7900xtx.

Gamers should be buying amd cards instead... leave the nivida cards to people who actually do productive things with them... these people who have 4070s and higher are playing games for simpletons like counter stroke, cod, battlefield, ubischiet games...

Thing is 4070S will drop to around 550 also and I think having RT options and frame gen puts it ahead. Games are released with bad performance lately dlss is important tbh

@@IncredibleLyrics Yea dlss is a good feature to have but its not gonna break any boundaries yet. I still think DLSS wont become a norm feature thing yet. Having it is a plus but also not having it wont change as much honestly. If I really want something for DLSS, Im getting a 4080 or 4090, thats where the the best DLSS performance is at. But still price for performance 7800 xt is too much of a power house at 450$. If were just talking raw performance without DLSS. 7800 xt. I jsut dont see the incentive to buy a 4070 super for 100$ more just so you can get a 10 percent increase in performance and the feature it have is DLSS. Also if the super 4070 dont drop price to 550 and stay at 600, witrh the ti releasing and 7900 xt at 700 dollar now... when the 4070 ti super is release it may drop down to 670 ... on holiday and for 70 dollar more you can get a 7900 xt and get a huge ... and I mean a huge performance increase. Cause from what I know Nvidia hardly drop prices on their GPU and CPU.

Easy to say that, but what matters is performance and value. And at least right now, it looks like 4070S offers a better overall value than the 7800XT unless its price drops. I also worry about 12GB going into the future, but that's just a worry right now, based on speculation and assumption.

​@@patsk8872amd being amd, they will definitely do something about this

The only super that’s gonna be worth it is the 4070ti super, sadly.

@@RobVee.the RTX 4080 super is the highest worth is you have the money but I do agree if you want good graphics card don’t hang to pay to much get the RTX 4070 ti super

That's 700 euro for us in Europe, maybe higher depending on what country you live in and if you can an order delivered at a reasonable price from Germany, spain, maybe France or whatever country you can find a deal 😢, I can get a basic model 7800xt from Germany for about €560... But to buy in Ireland and the cheapest website here is about €640 for a 7800xt... Which really is just a 7800, the 7900gre is what the 7800xt should have been. We really need to be seeing good midrange GPUs to be hitting 350-400 USD before we'll feel we're not being ripped off here, because later this year we'll start to see NVIDIA 5000 series and rDNA 4, so 700 euro on a 4070s is last gen by xmas 2024

the moment you turn on ray tracing, the 4070 super flushes the rx 6950 XTs head in the toilet like they were in high school. Not to mention Pathtracing, DLSS 3(.5) and Framegeneration

@@aiiacks1696 🤡🤏🤏🤏

@@aiiacks1696 Yeah try turning those on the 4070 SUPER and get 15-20 FPS... even a 4090 struggles at RT/PT at recent titles such as CyberPunk and Alan Wake 2. Most people only care about raw performance. Also you get 16 GB instead of 12 GB for the same $600 with the 6950 XT which will help out a lot better with frame buffering.

@@laszlozsurka8991 the 4070 super does absolutely not struggle with RT and for PT: thats what DLSS 3.5 is for (you may wanna look into that ;). The rx 6950xt can't even handle simple RT without FSR and it still performs way worse and looks like bs compared to DLSS. 4GB Vram can't fix that... it doesn't even improve the architectural handicap of AMDs cards by a little since they tend to allocate more vram than Nvidias cards (you may wanna look into that too ;)

Yes 6950xt destroys in value too bad its barely in stock for that price. Major caveat is power draw and RT ig, but not many people care about RT I would assume if they're trying to maximize fps/$.

Unless games continue get more RT heavy.. which they are... no point in having the VRAM if you're at 1080p with medium settings😀

To be fair, Nvidia also constantly improves DLSS, FG and RR quality. And they also announced Neural Compressed Textures, which may help with that 12GB buffer in the future. We can not be sure what future will bring us, that is the point. And by the time 7800 XT will take advantage of these additional 4 GB, this card may simply become outdated due to the lack of raw GPU power. 🤔

@@AKMcF Yes if they implement games with RT already built into the game then it will be an issue. For the second point I'm talking in context to the video so 1440p gaming.

@@stangamer1151 neural compressed textures 50 series only if you pay $10/month subscription.

@@stangamer1151 Yes both will continue to improve, I meant to say AMD has more room for improvement in FSR department. DLSS already looks close to native, AMD is far behind in upscaling, if they can also make it look close to native and remove those shimmers etc then AMD will look more appealing in terms of value.

With increase of vram usage in games, obviously the more performance it needs to run. And with that said, you cannot last longer with either cards unless you are using 4090. Even with 16gb vram, the performance will lack for sure if the 12gb gpus face the wall. So, probably chances are 16gb users upgrading their gpu in about similar time as 12gb gpu user.

Thank you makes me realize my choice of the regular 4070 seem like a temporary good choice with my custom new build from a friend

​@@baeilence that just sounds like a cope for 12gb of vram lmao

Pretty sure this is the same calculation that Nvidia did, as well :D. If the 4070 or the 4070 Super were 16GB it would be an absolute beast of a card. But why do it, when you can shake people up for an extra 200 Euro. I was really looking into upgrading my old GTX 1080, to something newer but all of the offerings in the 600-650 EUR segment are sh*t. 4070 and 4070 Super are both 12GB, so good luck future proofing for gaming. 7800 XT is 16GB and has better price, but it absolutely sucks for AI, especially Stable Diffusion, and its Ray Tracing is pretty damn "meh". Not to mention it's a literal non-upgrade from the 6800 XT, which keeps the latter's second hand prices high, while stores that do have new ones, never bother to adjust 6800 XT prices lower. And finally, you have Intel and the A770 16GB which is an absolute steal for work related tasks and makes the AI units on the 7800 XT look like AMD was being sarcastic with their marketing (just looks at some recent SD benchmarks). But it sucks for gaming and even if it *eventually* reaches it's potential to perform like a 3070 (maaaaybe 3070ti-ish), it would still be way too late. So, I'm probably just going to wait on Battlemage and see what Intel has to offer. If they can reach the original 4070 performance, but with 16GB of VRAM, I'll be a happy camper. In the mean time, I'll continue to do most of my gaming using my 4.50 EUR a month Founders plan on Geforce Now.

@@BaldKiwi117 after that long explanation.. does it? That might be the problem with you. However, just think about it. The vram demanding games we will face are likely to be also graphical demanding. It always has been and always will be. Thats why only the 4090 is the winner after all. Its actually future proofing just like 2080ti or 1080ti did. And for future proofing for next couple yrs, the minimum vram req should be 18gb+ about the 4080 super performance. If you still havent changed your mind after all.. i guess you are using 16gb “future proofing” gpu that you think it will last for next couple years ;)

Yeah saw that. I did not expect this card to do so low.

why tho? the reviews are positive

@@defnotatroll 600 dollars for 12gb of vram in 2024 just get the 7800xt or add 100 dollars and get 7900xt

@@defnotatroll Retailers are charging more than the 4070 ti. Shows you who the real enemies are here.

That is pure AMD copium, first of all NVIDIA is more efficient with VRAM, second of all not everyone plays 4k.

​@@letix6220That was the same argument for the RTX 3080. Look how that turned out.

Doesnt a monoply mean just 1, so no competitors? AMD is waving hello friend, Im not dead over here. Intel is also waving, but is perhaps dead.

​@@srobeck77Go on twitch and check out ten random streamers. See what gpu they have , nvidia or amd.

​@@srobeck77Both are less than 30% COMBINED. NVIDIA knows that they control 70% of the market share, so just through brand recognition alone, they can sell more even if it's marginally worse than its competitors.

@@CompressedReassurance monpoly =1, not 70%. Do we need a linear chart as a visual aid?

@@CompressedReassurancemore like less than 20% if we’re talking just discrete GPUs.

What aib 7800 xt did you get?

@@timmyalley6621 XFX Merc 319 black edition

I've been considering upgrading my 4060 in the future to a 7800xt or 4070 due to the 8gb vram only, so far I've been fine with it but I'm sure 8 will be an issue for me eventually. I very been told I could probably upgrade to the 4070 without changing anything but maybe have to replace the 600 gold 80 psu if I go 7800xt. I wonder if I go 4070 super do you think I'd have to replace things, I have an i5 13400f, asrock b 760m-c mb, 32 gb ddr5 , amethyst ll case, no liquid coolers.

Can you tell me at what shop you see for that price?

@@nimrodpaul6875 I don’t think you would have to, although I’d recommend getting the gigabyte OC 7800 xt for 499

Yeah, unfortunately when you put it all down on paper the arguments in favor of the 7800XT really aren’t affected much even given how much of a performance bump the 4070 Super makes over the OG 4070. Not too much incentive for AMD to drop prices on that card, or even the 7900XT as those were already in the mid-$700 range. I was thinking about this just prior to ordering a 7800XT a few days ago, I don’t see AMD being that compelled to make any long-standing price drop on it. Maybe incremental changes at most. And I want a reference model anyway, usually the slowest to get any long-standing price drops. Nvidia is likely aiming to raise prices on the 4070 Super to $700+ anyway. Nvidia fanboys will probably pitch in. It’s what they do every generation, every refresh.

imagine a world where 12vram destroys 16gb in a console. wait nvm, thats reality no need to imagine. numbers lie and so do people pushing an agenda with "numbers"

That hurts .. 600$ in US and UK, rest of the world more like 700..

@@roki977 fun fact, the more socialist a country is, the higher goods cost. U.S. is fast catching up unfortunately. (The Xbox Series X isnt $600 here, its $499 and was on sale all over for $399 through the holidays.) I even seen it briefly for one week for only $349 at Best Buy.

@@srobeck77 series X is round 600 euros +/- 50, S is 280 but GPUs are so expensive its mental. They rasied prices round Christmas and they stayed there so there is no 4070 under 700 euros, super 770, 7800xt 600 to 670 etc.. CPUs can be found for much more normal prices as rest components but GPUs its nuts, Croatia.. Everything i buy here is on discounts, 7800xt i had to buy on credit card bsc they had 10% that day and it was 5% more from shop so i got it under 600, 4 months ago, PC Hellhound..Lots of shop drops listed price by 5% on cash paying also.

Excuse me what? The 1080ti had an msrp of 699$ in 2016 that's 900$ in today's money not counting the massively increased cost of RnD and everything in general as everything goes up in price so you can't just say "so the 4080 ti super should be 900$ max" as material went up in price, labor goes up in price, as mentioned above money spent on RnD goes up, 1.3Billion in 2016 and 7.3Billion in 2023 Don't get me wrong I absolutely don't like where this is going either but this is all hard and evidential fact.

4080 costs like 700 to make lol

30 serie cards are all stupid

Nevermind it's either coming Tomorrow or on Monday. Nvidia's priory shipping is just a scam. 2 days shipping says it will take 5 days. Already talked to customer service, wouldn't refund the extra money I paid for the faster shipping, told me to "wait". Welp my first and only time I hope dealing with buying from Nvidia Directly. They said they would refund me, I realized that I shouldn't have purchased 2 day shipping.

hows it going with that card?

Same. It’s not worth it 90% of the time but when it’s discounted it’s discounted HARD. Got one on Prime Day for near around £100 cheaper than the cheapest 4070 ti I could find at the time and I imagine it’ll drop again to undercut the Super when that gets released too.

Wrong. Skip atleast 2 gens

there is really no need. They put themselves out there, it is fair use.

@@bryanbowling1857 interesting. Thanks for reminding me about fair use thing. Lately, reaction material has been a talk of the town and it makes me question whether I should be doing that myself. I suppose it'll depend on the material I'm making and what content I'm using to make whatever point I wanna put out....if there is a point. Hahaha