why so slow ?

@@Chris-hw4mq you want to die early?

That's why it's driver ASSIST

The disengagement rate is not what I’d describe as “frequent”.

This technology is still in it's infancy stage. In 10 or more years, this could help save lives. Expecting it to be fully self driving at this point is unrealistic but highways are were it does better.

​@LifeRx ADAS has already saved my life once as a Type 1 Diabetic, specifically FSD Beta. This technology will be game changing for people with chronic medical issues or disabilities.

Yeah I agree. It's not ready for mainstream adoption. I'll wait till comma 10 comes out.

Thanks! Your videos are really awesome, love those hyperlapses.

​@@GreerViauhi, what fork do you use now? I've been running the stock system, I don't think it's as great, don't know what fork is best for my Toyota Corolla Hybrid 2020... What do you suggest?

It doesnt look like it can take twisty roads, maybe on highway its great but in the city or hill terrain doesnt look good

That's actually been thought about and is being developed. A few years ago when I was a research assistant I worked on a V2X (vehicle to everything) communication. One of the things we had to do was to be able to interface (in our case we only had to receive) with what are called RSUs, or Road-Side Units, which are basically radios that would be setup long places like freeways and broadcast information about what's going on, like road conditions and traffic. The standard we were using seems to ultimately have gone to the wayside in favor of CV2X, cellular V2X, and will largely use 5G cellular radios to do that sort of thing.

@@rocktheworld2k6 In the UK we have actual 360 radar sensors along some sections, they can resolve down to 1cm for car/people detection to detect broken down vehicles

@@rocktheworld2k6 The 3GPP 5G specifications incorporate low latency communications intended for V2X so it is probably just a matter of time before this becomes commonplace.

How is it?

How is it?

The comma 2 (an older model) outperformed Tesla's FSD in every situation.

Awesome, just make sure you check their website to confirm that your car is supported, they currently support 140+ makes and models.

How has it been

My experience has been great, I use it all the time. It has gotten much better since this video, I primarily use experimental mode and the end to end model is really good. A couple issues with the end to end lateral (gas and brake) where it goes too slow for me on the highway, but it feels much more natural especially in traffic. It's only getting better though. Enjoy!

The device has stereo vision capability, the software just doesn't utilize it yet

I dont find it to be an issue, it helps if you mount it as high as possible.

@@GreerViau thank you for the reply! I ordered my Comma3x the other day.

Get the comma

No it was an app I built for myself to collect driving data for my own self driving car project.

I guess it's always a possibility, I would be curious to know if the device has a failsafe to disengage if it experiences any erratic movement like falling down. The device isn't mounted with a suction cup though, the mount is stuck to the windshield with industrial grade 3M tape, which is very hard to remove without lots of force, even on hot days. So I wouldn't be concerned about it falling off like that, but still a good concern

@@GreerViau Glad to know I was wrong about the suction cup. The industrial 3M tape is exceptionally good, so you're right in that it probably mitigates that particular problem. (Still, it would be an interesting experiment - assuming one could do it safely)

@@jmarshallpresnell6719 Maybe Ill try it in a parking lot or something and make a video. If its not a feature already I might look into implementing it myself. Good idea!

@@GreerViau It doesn't, happened to a guy I know's car while engaged. It saw lanes in his headliner and held the wheel straight with no warning, luckily he took over. C3 and C2 have accelerometers in them iirc so only a software update off of being safer.

It's improved a lot since this video, Ill make an update soon. Still might not be good enough for real country roads but we'll see.

Well yeah ofc Don't sleep and drive. It's supposed to be driver assistance, not FSD. Tesla's thing is driver assistance, and openpilot outperforms it. It's supposed to do most of the driving for you, but you need to be aware and are in control.

Still works great. The hardware is going to be more than capable for the foreseeable future. They designed the comma 3 to be capable at least until OP 1.0. They're just starting to utilize the stereo cameras.

That feature is hopefully coming in the next software release

@@GreerViau that’s good to hear! I’m really salty most Kia’s require smart cruise control as an option to use comma. We have a forte with lane centering and was really hoping to add a comma 3 unit for it but it cannot manage longitudinal control only lateral. Do you know any forums or anywhere where I can find info on fitting a system to a “non compatible” car? Thanks for the response!

@@eyetvideos467 join the comma discord I'm sure someone there can help

At the time of this video open pilot only tracked the lead car using the cars built in radar

No I didnt have to add any hardware to control the wheel or pedals, all of the cars their software officially supports have Lane Keep Assist and Radar Cruise Control so the car already has hardware to control them, the device just hijacks the controls. It is possible to put hardware into older cars to be used with this, people have done it but it is much more involved and user specific. As for consciousness testing, the system warns you when you arent paying attention, and I do believe if you arent paying attention for long enough it will disengage. This makes me believe that it would disengage if the driver lost consciousness. While that sounds bad, I think that scenario is very unlikely, and it would be a bigger problem if the system didnt disengage after long enough because people could abuse it and just sleep. They would have to find a way to solve the warning beeps if they wanted to but that probably wouldnt stop them from doing it, so I think its necessary to have a repercussion for not paying attention even if its not 100% perfect.

@@GreerViau Dear friend, I am very glad that you paid attention to my question and took the time to answer it. ❤️🌹I think that in different situations, the reaction of the system should be different. That's absolutely right, you should not give control of a car to a device. This is not technically and morally acceptable. But a scenario can be considered in which the driver is in urgent need of medical attention, in this scenario the car can save a human life and stopping the car will cause his death.

@@pooriamir6553 Agreed, the challenge is distinguishing whether its an emergency and the driver is unable to take over because of it, or the driver is just abusing the system and sleeping. An interesting subject for comma.ai to think about.

@@GreerViau 🌹thank you

Comma is working on implementing slowdown for turns. Not a real issue on highways but for backroads it's essential.

@@GreerViau Yeah that's why the steering wheel angle is a good input to implement a simple rate limiter regarding the acceleration/speed of the car

Newer Toyota's have this as a part of the Full Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control - it's called turn speed reduction I believe and is in the settings on the MID in the instrument cluster. Mine has it (22 Camry Hybrid)@@GreerViau

Im not sure, it really isnt that difficult to do on your own. Theres only one cable you have to disconnect from the car, the rest is just cable management and plugging in some cables. They have detailed instructions on how to install it on their website. Is there a reason you dont feel you can do it on your own?

If I can do it you can do it!

Its the future for sure. The end goal of saving lives on the road is very exciting, also the improved lifestyle it will offer is gonna be great. It will definitely take time for people to adopt and accept the technology, but hopefully that will improve as the technology advances and proves to be a safer alternative. But the state its at right now is super exciting. I just got back from a 300 mile, 5 hour road trip and I probably drive 5-10 minutes of that entire time.

@@GreerViau I hope that I’ll get a Tesla someday. If I win a million dollars on a scratch off lottery ticket, I’ll buy one. I want a Model 3.

^^^ This is why I am dreading my future and wish I was born before 2000, as someone who loves to *drive*. Really makes me depressed.

The steering wheels in cars have a physical torque limit, meaning that the motor cant turn the steering wheel faster than specified by the manufacturer. If open pilot is trying to take a sharp turn, but it cant turn the wheel fast enough, then it beeps to alert you that the turn radius is exceeded. This doesnt happen often though, the rotary is an extreme circumstance. Also if you drive slower, then it doesnt need to turn the wheel as fast and it can do sharper turns fine.

@@GreerViau Thanx for your quick response. Helpful. Amazing tech.

It doesn't do parking yet

I dont believe it can be turned off, that might be a safety risk because the screen is also used for indicators and alerts. I see how people might find it distracting but you actually dont pay attention to the screen much once you get used to it.

@@GreerViau I just don't want it there at night. Have you tried it out during dark?

@@JasonCarmichael Yes, I use it all the time on night drives, works great. I understand the brightness concern but in my case my cars center console display is brighter and more distracting.

No my corolla has support for openpilot ACC, but some cars dont, its all listed on the supported cars document on their github

@@GreerViau They are also working on e2e longitudenal similar to what they have done for lateral. I am really looking forward to that as it made a huge improvement to lateral in my opinion.

@@brettlynch78 My 2019 Camry Hybrid LE unfortunately only does stock ACC so once they achieve e2e longitudinal does that mean my car will work on Openpilot longitudinal instead of stock ACC?

that must be because a port for it hasnt been made yet. I know that car has been hard to get, but hopefully someone will add support for it soon.

@@GreerViau I don't see this available at all for the mazda3 hatchbacks?

@@RedCdot If its a car that was recently released, it probably wouldnt be. It takes time for either the comma team or more likely one of the contributors to get the car and add support for it.

Openpilot does have the ability to do automatic lane changes which is activated from the turn signals, but still requires the driver to nudge the wheel to start the lane change.

ya if you wear sunglasses it just watches your head position

They have navigation available now, however it is experimental, a work in progress. Not ready for prime time. TBH, Openpilot is not something you would normally use in heavy city driving at this point, unless you’re one of those who likes to push the envelope. Openpilot really shines in highway use and long drives. M

I thank you for your response, but it did not answer my original question. @@Jimmy-Legs

At the time of this video openpilot didnt have navigation, it was designed to simply follow the most obvious path to drive. This works perfectly on highways where all you want to do is stay in your lane, and thats really what it is designed for but this video I was trying to test it outside of its comfort zone to see what the lane-less model could do. The current version does have navigation where you can plug in a destination and it should take the correct path based on the map.

Thank you so much for your kind reply! I really liked the video, too! @@GreerViau

this is a 2020 corolla

Absolutely not

@@tannisroot That's disappointing.

Internet lag is not safe

Check out the Comma "Body" its a mobile robot platform that uses the Comma 3 camera system.

If its the same as TSS-P then yes you can. I have comma 2 installed on my 2019 Camry Hybrid LE with TSS-P and have similar experience as in this video. Right now Im waiting for my comma 3 shipment so will end up selling my comma 2.

yes it works with sunglasses, it still uses head pose to tell if you are paying attention.

It has two 181 degree fov cameras, so it can already see 360 degrees around itself, side cameras wouldn't make a difference.

@@GreerViau Well yeah cause then it would be able to read corners better

Yes, I believe one of the employees made a port for Tesla

Technically no, the traffic circle I went through is called a rotary. A roundabout is the more modern version of a rotary and are typically much smaller and slower with more direct traffic markings. Rotaries are much larger and allow cars to move at higher speeds.

@@GreerViau You got me there

its powered by the car via the OBD2 port

@@GreerViau the OBD2 provides 12V and u afterwards you feed it to a buck down converter or your microcontroller can tolerate 12V?

@@Athens1992 I believe the comma 3 runs on 12v, its not actually a micro controller its really just a linux computer

ya, I dont touch anything while using openpilot. It controls everything

Right now the landline model will keep you more centered in the lane, and that's very important so for now I would say it's more reliable than laneless. But laneless is the major focus of comma right now and once it's good enough they'll be phasing out the laneline model for laneless. But even right now laneless can do some amazing stuff

It’s driver *assist* not an autopilot so should only add to driver safety

It is a valid concern. I'm honestly not sure cuz I think it depends on the state youre in. I know where I am in Massachusetts, insurance companies cannot deny coverage to a vehicle that has third part add-ons. Though typically those add-ons are mufflers or suspensions, and aren't driving the car, but I think the law still applies. Also it technically is an enhancement of the assist feature that is already present in the car, so I would bet its no different than if you got in an accident with the default lane keep or cruise control.

@@GreerViau LOL, someone has never dealt with a car insurance company. Technically an "enhancement" to the thing you ripped out and replaced with beta software and a third party hardware not authorized in anyway whatsoever by Toyota (congrats, you also invalidated your warranty). You are delusional if you think any regular car insurance policy is going to cover liability for accidents you cause while using an unapproved device, not to mention that one described as a beta and 'research test' device by comma (who also won't be taking any responsibility). There's a difference between denying coverage and denying claims. Learn the difference. Call your insurance and get your policy modified. Or cause a pileup send people to the hospital and lose your house. Idiot.

You won't be covered. Obviously.

@@tubbytuber I called my insurance provider and they actually said they would cover it and also implies they might pay for it

You should always check your state laws and regulations regarding after market products for your car but I know where I live its not a problem. ADA systems have become standardized in most modern cars, and openpilot is really just a smarter ADA system.

This has not been my experience, their support team has always been super helpful with super fast response time plus they have a discord server full of useful info and members that are always willing to help. They also offer 30 day money back guarantees. They stand completely behind their product, this isn't some cheap device made by a huge company that doesn't care, they're a small team of people dedicated to their vision. Also not sure how it wouldn't work if you checked that your car was supported, what model make and year is your car? If your car is too old and doesn't have an adas system then it wouldn't be able to work in the first place, but you can also check on their website before you buy.

This is not Tesla's crap. Also, it's open source so anyone can fix the bugs. Even you could do it. The 'odd' acceleration bugs have been worked on. It's smoother and safer around corners when getting up to speed.

It's not really a consumer product, it's an enthusiast device to test beta software. Not sure what kind of experience you've had with the device in the past but I've never had any issue getting support, especially from the discord. The discord is full of people who know every in and out of the device so you should never have an issue finding help with a problem.

Not sure what you mean by how they treat their consumer base? I think comma treats their users better than any other company out there, especially since they arent driven by taking your money, their whole goal is to solve self driving cars. Yes some OEMS are coming out with good ADA systems, but nothing so far has come close to Openpilot and I dont think theyre gonna be able to match their technology on the AI front, they lack the data.

No more dangerous than any stock ADA system, actually safer I would say.

Agreed. much safer. the stock one cant even pull up for stopped cars if it hasn't seen it moving first.

Agreed 100%, not just stupid but even dangerous.