I’ve never seen anything like this before… - eero Max 7
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WiFi 7 is HERE, and though there aren't many devices that support it, those that do are promised crazy speeds and more reliability. We got our hands on the new eero Max 7 routers, and Linus is here to see if our wifi future is bright or if subscription features could ruin everything.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 WiFi 7 could be big
1:45 What was in the box?
2:24 Ports and a hot take(?)
3:14 Initial setup and a shot at Apple
4:02 Sponsor - PowerColor
4:38 Finishing setup
5:13 The eero Plus subscription...
7:10 Configuring the network
7:54 eero Plus breaks Linus
9:26 Speed testing on multiple devices
10:47 Outro
@Deses 4 місяці тому
A router from Amazon with a subscription and an app... I don't want that anywhere close to me.
@the_undead 4 місяці тому
The subscription doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the obvious frustration line is is having just trying to demo this product. I might not agree with the subscription but the failure to make it work tells me everything I need to know
@ololh4xx 4 місяці тому
i got one of the older models (v5) and i gotta say : noone needs to use the subscription, its basically useless anyway. The routers / APs themselves : probably the most stable, reliable, speedy devices i used in the past 20 years. You need pro-hardware if you want to compare them to anything, all other consumer stuff cannot compete. These are facts.
@RandarTheBarbarian 4 місяці тому
I've been installing eero products for a while now because amazon made them super friendly (note: backend controllable) for their ISP customers. I absolutely hate them, but it comes down more to the way we have implemented them than anything else. They're forced on all new customers, so we're still using modem router combo units, disabling the router, then sending the lowest end eero to every customer, which is in some cases slower than the router built in to the modems. Then actually setting them up either A) forces the customer to have internet to set up their internet, or B) makes me set it up for them with that aforementioned backend access that I may or may not actually be able to get in to (because sometimes I don't have functional cellular service in some of the towns I have to work in, or my login info has expired). Nothing was wrong with being able to log in with a default name and password for service setup, nothing was wrong with using the built in router for basic service especially in small homes or apartments, but instead I'm having to put eeros in the houses of elderly folks that still haven't even considered owning a smartphone.
@pilsplease7561 4 місяці тому
I replaced my entire network with eero routers
@PAPO1990 4 місяці тому
Eh, apps can be quite useful for setting up, and configuring things for the less advanced user, I'm quite happy just using the web interface myself though, even on my fancy ASUS AP's that seem to have some cool features in the app, that I never use, though partly because all my ROUTING is done by a PFsense box :P
@ChrisRT6 4 місяці тому
If companies want to add subscription services to everything the least they could do is make the subscriptions FUNCTION CORRECTLY.
@frankie123456ization 4 місяці тому
They could also just not have them...
@mycelia_ow 4 місяці тому
@@frankie123456ization I'd rather have them if it meant not paying 5x as much upfront
@shrub9677 4 місяці тому
@@frankie123456ization 'if the companies want to'
@anth5189 4 місяці тому
If everyone is forced to do it they have no reason to make anything work properly.
@nitram1737 4 місяці тому
@@anth5189 If they make it impossible to subscribe they dont get money from subscriptions...
@JohnAlzayat 4 місяці тому
Linus spent half the video trying to subscribe to their service, this man gave it his absolute best and eero said no.
@The_Keeper 4 місяці тому
Maybe they should change their name to; Error.
@playgame38 4 місяці тому
Tried to give them money and they won’t take it
@SystemError514 4 місяці тому
@@The_Keeper You called? :)
@jibcano1777 4 місяці тому
Plot twist they knew it was Linus and blocked him
@marksapollo 4 місяці тому
Linus spent half the video ignoring the text shown to him as did most of his viewers. It clearly states check the verification email they send, like most fucking subscription services do.
@FHL-Devils 4 місяці тому
It's a rare thing to see Linus get mad-mad, and not just stage-mad... and I'm all for it!
@swlak516 4 місяці тому
😂
@Rickles 4 місяці тому
Would love to see the lab put wifi 7 through some testing. 3gb right next to the AP is nice but what if it's in the next room, will it still be an impressive jump?
@ccelik97 4 місяці тому
You want the 6GHz stuff & Wi-Fi 7 mainly for lower latency connections that can actually replace ethernet cables for the consumers and even some prosumers. So, try not to have any concrete walls between your devices & access points. It's becoming more and more like "an access point per room if you want low latency + high speeds" at home and frankly, I'm down for it. Give it maybe about another year (yep, 24H2) and the energy efficiency of the more affordable "buy & go" consumer solutions will settle down OK as well.
@foldionepapyrus3441 4 місяці тому
That would be interesting, though odds are good the locations you know you want fast wireless is where you will fit your AP anyway even with the slower and longer range AP making that point somewhat less important. I'd be more interested in if it can keep up that sort of data rate against a background of other WiFi 7 traffic everywhere, the contestation for bandspace at least in the UK where houses are small and close together on average is quite noticeable at times.
@09matiastube 4 місяці тому
@@ccelik97An access point in every room... Soo just using cable with extra and expensive steps?
@ccelik97 4 місяці тому
@@09matiastube Yes, you got it. And that's why if you're fine with your wired setups there's no need to pay for the new shit only to make them wireless now xd.
@bubbledoubletrouble 4 місяці тому
@@09matiastube So what model ethernet dongle do you use with your phone and/or tablet?
@jamesmartland5505 4 місяці тому
Just a note at 10:45 the U: and the D: are the incorrect way around on the in-screen annotations, for all devices Reads U:3117 Mbps | D: 2754 Mbps Should Read: D:3117 Mbps | D: 2754 Mbps
@LoneWolf0648 4 місяці тому
this is a hard pass just from the fact they have a subscription for features built into the device... then there is the price and probably 20 other issues you didnt have time to test
@Vednier 4 місяці тому
They not first Tp-Link now put subscription their routers for features they used to have for free build in (they still build-in but need subscription for unlock). And this is true for NOT cheap models too.
@IngwiePhoenix 4 місяці тому
If you're having sub problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problem but a sub ain't one.
@Vednier 4 місяці тому
@@IngwiePhoenixLets watch at you once you need to purchase subscription to use your toilet. Sounds like some dirty business.
@IngwiePhoenix 4 місяці тому
@@VednierAt the current rate, I wouldn't be surprised at this. Welp, guess I would be switching professions from software dev to plumbing, lol.
@Vednier 4 місяці тому
@@IngwiePhoenixThere is video made by Adult Swim almost ten years ago, called Smart pipe. Its about toilet pipe collecting health info from poop about peoples for ads and stuff. It was kinda "funny" back then (for joke stretched too long). Somehow its not funny anymore. I will not be surprised to see such thing in 3-5 years for real.
@status_elitegaming9523 4 місяці тому
Not sure if it’s the same on this one, I have the WiFi 5 version but something as simple as shutting off the 2.4hz band or 5hz isn’t possible. I don’t like the idea of paying good money for a WiFi router for it not to have simple band control. I found myself getting stuck in 2.4 even though I was in the same room as the router. Something to look for before buying these devices
@darkkforest 4 місяці тому
Fucking yes! Let me do what ever the fuck I want to do with the thing I paid for.
@ethernet01 4 місяці тому
this is what is terrible about this enterprise pricing and subscriptions but ISP black box level features and management this pair shown costs more than many small-medium networks with enterprise equipment
@DanVibesTV 4 місяці тому
i need the 2.4ghz band, because all my RGB stuff uses 2.4ghz WIFI only
@imgladnotu9527 4 місяці тому
@@darkkforestlook towards openWRT for that lol, you cant trust proprietary firmware to do what theyre supposed to
@25566 4 місяці тому
That's worse than using the ISP router if you can't even do that, it's unnecessarily locked down
@sullychow4123 4 місяці тому
If consumers would finally rebel against subscriptions then these companies wouldn't pull this crap.
@ian9outof10 4 місяці тому
100% - and I do, and get yelled at online for saying Google and Amazon's network products should be avoided.
@FoxxFire 4 місяці тому
I have a couple of the Eero Pro 6s, and they do work right out of the box pretty well (lol, though I did NOT sign up for the service; i'm sure i would have been the same level of frustrated as LS had I done so). I've had the two Pro 6 units for a couple years now, and they really (knock wood) have been outstanding. To be clear, these are not for tinkerers. This is for the set-it-and-forget-it, don't-have-time-to-mess-with-them crowd. Nonetheless, they do receive frequent software updates, and I can't remember the last time I've needed to restart the network due to some issue with the mesh units. Who knows how reliable these 7s are (the 6 Pros are much, much smaller), but based on Amazon's track record of reliability with these things (unless I just got lucky), I think if you need or really, really want to early adopt wifi 7, they would be a pretty safe buy.
@BansheeBunny 4 місяці тому
2:24 You are correct about 1Gb networking, being enough for most consumers. You will want more LAN bandwidth though, if you have a media server with an app, that has a broken "Download" feature. 5Gb is possible with existing CAT5e cabling.
@BGraves 4 місяці тому
I have tested 10gb over cat5e 50 ft. But to your point he just said 2.5 local network
@benwu7980 4 місяці тому
At least the wired cables are still using a proper rating, iirc Cat 5e is 'guaranteed' for runs of 100m. it can certainly do faster of shorter distances.
@dhkatz_ 4 місяці тому
Ok but you don't need this router for that? Buy a switch with 10 Gb support and just plug whatever router into it
@benhook1013 4 місяці тому
Idk I want to see the continued growth of people with at home network storage (typically every house now has more than one computer/device, better than storage or externals for each device), and 1Gb/s is really not enough, maxing out at ~120MB/s, which is less than what a single HDD can do. Even just getting dumb switches above 1Gb/s is expensive caus they're much less common.
@BGraves 4 місяці тому
@@benhook1013 The path to getting above 1gigabit economically is through SFP+ used network cards and an SFP+ switch. From there you can go any route you want. I chose fiber as it consumes far less electricity over long runs. 2.5Gbe to WAN and 10Gbe for the high speed lan devices like my server, desktop PCs, and the 1Gbe switch.
@SportBikeAnthony 4 місяці тому
I'm just happy to see routers that have multiple multi-gig ports. That's the only reason I bought an one of tp-links new wifi 7 routers. Finally had a reason to upgrade from 1 gig to 2 gig GF service.
@Tundreq 4 місяці тому
How much power did it draw during idle and full speed download? That's a small thing I would like to know.
@wh0_am_152 4 місяці тому
I think Linus missed a critical new feature of 802.11be that being that that devices can now connect to multiple bands simultaneously in 3 modes (for there not technical names), as duplex so one (o rmaybe more) band upload one (or maybe more) band download, all the speed stitching multiple bands together to provide insane download speeds, max range where the AP can send duplicates of the data on multiple bands so that if there is interference on one band in the space of the packet the other may make it through allowing the ap to succesfully send the packet the first time reducing active time, load and sustaining speeds at longer ranges.
@MrTurbo_ 4 місяці тому
So i will certainly be buying a Wifi 7 access point, but certainly not this one lmao
@Dabonman87 4 місяці тому
TP link Deco XE75 Pro has 6e backhaul and is a better deal anyway then eero
@Bob_Smith19 4 місяці тому
The standard isn’t even finalized. There is zero reason to buy it now. 6E is overkill for most.
@phr3ui559 4 місяці тому
true
@web1bastler 4 місяці тому
I'll wait until I can buy Wifi7 M.2's and one unifi has something with 7 to offer.
@Tagbadger3 4 місяці тому
I had eero 6s, which were fine, but they overheated too often, and too many functions are either hidden behind a subscription, or non existent in the name of "simplicity" or "user friendly". Switched to an ASUS router previously featured here.
@NutellaRLZ 4 місяці тому
As someone who works at a small ISP that uses Eeros as our go-to routers, I like them, but I also have issues with them. The criticisms about Eero plus are valid, however, the historic data is actually stored on Amazon servers for remote troubleshooting if power or connectivity is lost. Still doesn't justify not having an option for local historical data
@lilietto1 4 місяці тому
It surprises me that an ISP would use Eero... the more you know. Here in Europe small ISP, from what I have seen, tend to use highly customizable routers from dedicated vendors like Fritzbox or Mikrotik etc.
@NutellaRLZ 2 місяці тому
@@lilietto1 that was my experience when I lived in Germany, but now that I'm working for an Oregon US based ISP I was surprised by the use of eeros. We also use MikroTik routers and Calix routers, but when anything goes wrong with Calix it goes catastrophically wrong
@jamesstewart5005 4 місяці тому
Can't wait for a WiFi 7 enabled VR headset. That sweet sweet wireless streaming bitrate.
@Tomiply 4 місяці тому
3:48 What do you mean? It's way easier to see dust on black routers than white ones. You should see my black router; it gets dirty so fast that it's crazy.
@tallrocko7010 4 місяці тому
Just wondering for testing the max capabilities of a network if there is a way where y'all can host a local speed test server or something equivalent to show the full capability of a device not your local speed test server. Note I understand that in the real world if you are the kind of person who will max this out you will probably be wired or a large scale network admin but it would be awesome.
@maxrburgess 4 місяці тому
I thought you were going to connect the APs to each other and see how much speed you could get. Could be an interesting main channel video
@cleanycloth 4 місяці тому
The Max 7 is waaaay too expensive for me, but I got a really good deal on two eero Pro 6E routers and have been very happy with them. And because I got one that was from an ISP, I got all of the router level eero Secure stuff for free!
@UC11pJjYnTJuZwWa-O7JRzAA 4 місяці тому
I got an incredibly good deal on two 6E's recently as well, both from frontier. Definitely worth the upgrade from my previous WiFi 5 routers. The lower latency is fantastic for wireless displays.
@cleanycloth 4 місяці тому
@@UC11pJjYnTJuZwWa-O7JRzAA I had a couple WiFi 5 eeros and one WiFi 6, but I had issues playing VR wirelessly with them. Apart from one minor glitch per *session* it works fantastically now. I paid about £95 each for the Pros, I think they're over £200 new.
@lonergothonline 4 місяці тому
I feel like beyond a certain point it would make more sense to have the device connect to whichever the slowest band/ssid actually is, until the user does something that requires more speed, like streaming, then it goes up a tier to 5/6/7
@Hittsy 4 місяці тому
depends... 2.4 and 5ghz bands are also available for use by other fields, not just WiFi. Baby monitors, wireless security cameras, etc. all use it, so you might want to keep devices on 6ghz as much as possible for reliability, since that band has much less interference.
@daemonbyte 4 місяці тому
@@Hittsy that's what they use to say about 5.
@MrHaydnSir 4 місяці тому
as part of my old job i used to have to walk customers through setting these up over the phone - most brain-numbing task i've ever had to do with that said, the system we used to view a customer's home eero wifi settup was incredibly insightful, and when they worked - oh boy did they work with that said, more often than not they didn't just make ..sense sense
@Doubie. 4 місяці тому
I love the rated speed to port speed ratio
@PAPO1990 4 місяці тому
How did the ECC Squad miss the Upload and Download numbers being flipped in the overlay? :P Not a big deal, they were pretty similar both ways, but it's there ;)
@ivangerginov5648 4 місяці тому
Yup, they're still rushin' Not a big deal tho
@PAPO1990 4 місяці тому
@@ivangerginov5648 I don't know about it being a rush issue here, if there was NO ECC squad then I'd understand a minor error like that, but with 20 something people watching it specifically to check for errors, WITH fresh eyes... kinda seems like they're slacking :P
@lufycz. 4 місяці тому
Might make sense to host a local iperf3 server to reduce reliance on outside servers you can't control?
@vinnyclegg 4 місяці тому
Now all I need is a WiFi 7 VR headset to improve wireless vr further
@ryamelp 4 місяці тому
Is the WiFi 7 standard even finalized yet? When he says spatial streams does he mean when a WiFi devices says it’s 2x2 or 4x4?
@lurick 4 місяці тому
It's not finalized yet, that's next year some time. It's close though and probably the draft will be finalized but still it matters
@s.i.m.c.a 4 місяці тому
2x2 means - 2 transmitters and 2 receivers =>. 2 spatial streams
@ryamelp 4 місяці тому
@@lurick watch them lock firmware updates to get it out of draft behind that eero plus
@ryamelp 4 місяці тому
@@s.i.m.c.a only ever seen at most 4x4 will WiFi 7 devices have more?
@deepspacecow2644 4 місяці тому
@@ryamelp Kind of unrelated, but some 5g RUs have what is called massive mimo and are 128x128
@Muppet-kz2nc 4 місяці тому
you can buy an eero pro 5 for like $35 these days and they work great in bridge mode. recommend eero to family thats not tech savy.
@intetx 4 місяці тому
It would be nice to get some of the lower bands for wifi at some point. 6Ghz goes through walls even worse than 5Ghz. Good old 2.4 Ghz bands are still the best there we have access to. Something like 1.8Ghz would help us a lot more.
@matthewshields 4 місяці тому
I currently have mostly WiFi 5 and a few WiFi 6 devices, nothing 6E or above. Usually it's not worth buying the latest WiFi until it's been out for 2 - 3 years.
@RadOo 4 місяці тому
I have Wi-Fi 6 mesh system and I can't be more happy, gladly accepts older devices as well. No issues. In my ideal condition I have about 600-700mbps both down/up. And according to steam survey, most people still have barely over 50-100mbps download speeds, so in that case, 802.11n / Wi-Fi 4 is still sufficient enough.
@acubley 4 місяці тому
After seeing the price for two...sticker shock doesn't say enough. Anyone have a recommendation for a back haul set for wifi thru 4 walls?
@RFDN0 4 місяці тому
I honestly just plan on building a ubiquity set up and then upgrading parts when strictly necessary.
@Efreeti 4 місяці тому
8:54 What about the Madison scandal? I recognize there's valid reasons for the communication between her and LMG not to be public, especially if there's legal proceedings involved which I know take a long time, potentially years, but at least an aknowledgement of the issues raised by her as a previous employee and announcing what you're going to do about it would be appreciated.
@SwirlyTwirl 4 місяці тому
Wonder what wireless PCVR would be like on this, assuming we get a headset that supports it.
@akeelshah7904 4 місяці тому
Insanity if it was utilised properly
@AlistairChiss 4 місяці тому
I use separately named wifi bands because most smarthome devices need to be specifically setup onto a 2.4 network and if the phone is on the 5GHz or 6GHz band they fail to connect making everything a pain in the rear to configure.
@hnielsen123 4 місяці тому
That's not really how that works. Most dual and tri band routers are set up to allow seamless communication between bands. The router just routes traffic between them automatically. I have 2.4 and 5ghz on the same SSID, and I can see that my phone is connected on the 5ghz band and my IoT devices are on 2.4ghz, but I can still control them from my phone just fine. Maybe you have a really old router that isn't setup for this, but any router that is automatically putting the different bands together in to one SSID should have this capability.
@Frezcodelavita 4 місяці тому
Manual settings and then changing the encryption type usually helps
@MowMdown 4 місяці тому
I’ve never had a single device refuse to connect on a single SSID under multiple bands
@BGraves 4 місяці тому
I have yet to encounter that issue. Encryption type, yes
@wh0_am_152 4 місяці тому
With 802.11be though, devices will now be able to communicate on multiple bands simultaneously in 3 modes for simplicity's sake (yeah I'm not using the official names) I'm calling them duplex, max range, all the speed XD. Anyhow in duplex you can upload on band(s) and download on other band(s), in max range duplicate data is sent on multiple bands with ability to (I believe, merge or) select packets allowing for lower packet loss rates producing higher speeds and lower latency at range, all the speed allowes for stitched together streams for mindblowingly fadt downloads
@Brian-L 4 місяці тому
Found an older Eero AP in an ewaste lot I purchased. Went to test it out of morbid curiosity and discovered an account was needed just to run your own Wi-Fi. Chucked it right back in the ewaste bin. 😂
@complexity5545 4 місяці тому
Next time see if it has an open source chip and donate that sucker so we can get free firmware. lol If you have time or just give it to a known nerd that firmware hacks.
@polarpenguin3 4 місяці тому
Kinda need an account if you want remote access features 🥴
@marksapollo 4 місяці тому
Hmm can't think of anything that doesn't need an account these days, you must throw an awful lot of devices away including network gear.
@KeenVanguard 4 місяці тому
I love my OG Eero pro and i thought it was funny the subscription thing kept popping up but that has never happened to me.
@balls2bone 4 місяці тому
I'm still using an old BT Homehub 5 type A with OpenWRT, it supports wifi 5. And, I mostly set my phone to use 2.4GHz as the coverage is better.
@evdomos 4 місяці тому
I've been using eero since 2018 and I've been very happy with it since then, however this product immediately scared me because of it's insane price and target market. Eero has always been a fantastic deal and easy to recommend in my line of work, but if they move to an enterprise business model then the product becomes inaccessible to the average user.
@Zardif 4 місяці тому
I put them in my grandmother's house because of how easy the eero 6 is to deal with. Hopefully they don't start messing that up.
@the_undead 4 місяці тому
This product just seems like a cynical cash grab because of how difficult. It was to sign up for that subscription. Seeing as this is the first I'm hearing of this company, I will likely never consider their products
@evdomos 4 місяці тому
@@the_undead First impressions are definitely important, but it's really not that hard, not that I'm at all interested in the subscription. If you're interested in features the subscription gives then it's probably not the right choice. However, the one time I had it it was painless to buy. But it's just been the best solution for easy setup and most importantly reliability in my job getting people's homes running, and I've had very, very few problems with them over that time period compared to the other solutions I've had to use over the years.
@KeenVanguard 4 місяці тому
@@the_undeadthis was just a crap shoot, Ive had eero since before they were an Amazon brand and it's honestly really good. I recommend them to everyone. The app is normally super great and for some reason it wouldn't take his sub. The popup shouldn't have happened after subscribed but if you don't ever plan on using the extra paid features the popup never shows itself
@polarpenguin3 4 місяці тому
I've had one of their routers since 2018 and it was literally the easiest router to set up I've ever owned. Literally anyone with a functioning brain could set one up, and that's not an exaggeration. I've also never had an issue with it, never had to reset it or anything, it just works. They've also always had the eero plus subscription for extra features. Just don't pay for them if you don't need them (that's what I do).
@FARBerserker 4 місяці тому
so, will it block AMAZON ADS AS WELL?
@lurick 4 місяці тому
Yes but you need to subscribe 20 times, lol
@talon262 4 місяці тому
TBH, if you're just using your Eeros as only mesh APs for an existing router, you don't need an Eero Plus sub and they'll work exceedingly well.
@SeanBlader 3 місяці тому
Even the original Kickstarter Eero's innovated by letting each ethernet port on any unit do anything. My incoming line from my ISP is in the utility closet, more or less in the basement. So upstairs I have a meshed Eero Pro, and connected to it via ethernet is my gate internet module.
@mysteryboyee 4 місяці тому
"Ive found its best to keep them all as the same ssid or it wont connect to the better connection" Literally exact opposite experience for me, all my devices would be stuck at 2.4ghz with all on a single ssid(and smart home stuff straight refuses to connect), but with them split i can force them to connect to the better 5ghz network and they stay there (with smart home stuff on the 2.4 of course), and even if the 2.4 technically has better range, even with lower signal stremgth the 5ghz metwork still gets way better speeds and latency, its not even a competition
@wh0_am_152 4 місяці тому
802.11be brings massive new features to the table, one of them being MultiLink Operation the ability to communicate with a single device on multiple bands simultaneously allowing for geater speeds, lower latency, and farther effective range.
@prakash86anish 4 місяці тому
❤❤ Love you for calling out unnecessary forced subscription for every little feature. ❤❤ I have ASUS ZenWIFI XT8 (almost 3-4 year old mesh system) and it has tonnes of free features. It is not perfect but it is not infected with any of these subscription viruses. Locking up everything under subscription umbrella should be illegal. Things like charging for VPN is understandable but this was just too much.
@niospartan 3 місяці тому
At the end of the video for upload and download were they mixed up? The speed listed as U matches the download speed and the D matches the upload speed. I thought they were fixing mistakes they make more regularly.
@jayden5526 4 місяці тому
the uploads and download metrics at around 10:40 are switched around
@FLUIDITY_O 4 місяці тому
Just got the WiFi 7 deco and tbh I tried the eero and Orbi WiFi 7 systems and they were both disappointing. The only system I can recommend at the time is the Deco it’s quite phenomenal.
@chasemsutton 4 місяці тому
Why did they not show the awesome mesh functionality built into WiFi 7? That’s what makes me most excited for it
@sadmanh0 4 місяці тому
doesn't that already exist in older versions?
@chasemsutton 4 місяці тому
@@sadmanh0from what I’ve read, WiFi 7 takes mesh to a whole new level.
@sadmanh0 4 місяці тому
@@chasemsutton like, the second floor?
@chasemsutton 4 місяці тому
@@sadmanh0more like the basement, actually.
@phillvallace 3 місяці тому
10GB is really nice to have on a Network if your video editing of another machine or backing up a machine to another, 1gb lan is just so slow to this, USB is miles past those speeds today
@post-leftluddite 4 місяці тому
I wish theyd advertise routers NOT by the combined speed of every frequency/channel, but by the speed a single connection/user can achieve with a data transfer, i.e. whats the maximum speed a wifi 7 pc can transfer a file to another wifi7 PC through a WiFi 7 router....I think its 5.8Gbps, but its very hard to get a straight answer
@b4ttlemast0r 4 місяці тому
That's actually insane, I would never have expected Wifi 7 to make such a big difference in a real world use case.
@doorgoo 4 місяці тому
I appreciate fiber ONT, it’ll make people who get these question where to plug them in before they complain about terrible speeds plugged into a garbage Verizon router
@s.i.m.c.a 4 місяці тому
now ppl would scream why their fiber ont is just 30 megabit lol. fiber not means 10 gigabit speeds lol
@Askaly 4 місяці тому
People who buy a $1200 access point dont own a 'garbage verizon router'.
@liamhill1702 2 місяці тому
it would be cool if we could use wifi 7's full 16x16 lanes on a laptop for say, wireless video transfer, or wigig like docks.
@MaethorDerien 4 місяці тому
Yeah, I just bought a wifi 7 router, funny enough getting the network cards is almost impossible though. The only reason I went that route is more I wanted wifi 6e to use with the quest 3 and figured if I am redoing my network I might as well go with something that will last longer.
@profosist 4 місяці тому
Intel b e 200
@profosist 4 місяці тому
Part of it being so hard to get stuff is that Wi-Fi 7 is still in draft and not completely ratified seems rather close but still never been to wait really hurt me on my draft N The fact that it's raining draft 7 spec Hardware could very well explain the cost is there still testing it and it hasn't been cost cut down to the bare minimum and they haven't figured out how far they can tweak it produce energy draw xcetera
@ErrorMessageNotFound 4 місяці тому
EERO gives you very little control of your own wifi network. Want to disable 2.4ghz or 5ghz or separate it out into it's own SSID, nope. Want to see what ports are open with UPNP, nope. Just about everything is automatic and if their algorithm doesn't allow for your use case then you are out of luck. There is no manual work around, period. That's why it changed from 3 separate SSIDs on the video to one and he didn't know why. It decided to do that for whatever reason and he had no control.
@Akkbar21 4 місяці тому
Sounds like trash.
@CommodoreFan64 4 місяці тому
Crap like this is why I stick with TP-Link, or ASUS for consumer grade networking.
@KeenVanguard 4 місяці тому
Which router do you have in pretty sure the new 6e does. My older OG pro did not but I don't ever have a need to split them as they work 100% of the time on the band they auto assign
@polarpenguin3 4 місяці тому
@@Akkbar21It's the complete opposite. These routers literally are as plug and play as it gets. These are meant for your average consumer, not for a networking professional. Nobody wants to spend hours figuring out how to configure a network. I could give this to my grandparents with no instructions and they could set one of these things up. That right there is the most beautiful thing I can imagine. With this, you never have to worry about your tech illiterate family member's wifi again.
@marksapollo 4 місяці тому
Want an easy to use router you just plug in and get up and running in under 2 minutes? Yeap.
@ChrisGrump 4 місяці тому
Oh yeah, I will need this for the blistering fast 50 Mbps maximum I have available.
@strikelight 4 місяці тому
Dunno if this was mentioned or not, but instead of restarting the routers, should have restarted the phone to clear the app from memory, and then check the sub features. Not that that should ever be the fix in proper circumstances, but it seemed like an app issue, not a router issue.
@marksapollo 4 місяці тому
It actually told him 3 times to check for the confirmation email they sent him, which he gleefully ignored and then carried on ranting about.
@mrsittingmongoose 4 місяці тому
The upload and download tags when you are comparing the 3 phones at the end are reversed. You have download labeled upload and vice versa.
@radovanobal3842 4 місяці тому
That subscription, an absolute deal breaker.
@Konarcoffee 4 місяці тому
Standardization groups/consortiums/whatever should learn a little patience. Releasing upgrade after upgrade to a standard while having almost no devices supporting it is a stupid way to do things
@ColJonSquall1 4 місяці тому
In terms of the cost, yeah, its understandable, the TP-Link Deco running Wifi 7 is $1500 CAD for their 2 pack, so not surprising that this one is similar.
@FAB1150 4 місяці тому
How is wifi 7 with range, interference tolerance and obstacle penetration? I'm super interested as my house is about 500 years old and has 2ft brick walls, even ubiquiti U6Es struggle to cover more than a few rooms lol
@zapman2100 4 місяці тому
so another junk product that cant actually really do what it says it can because of device limitations. shouldn't this be false advertisement if it cant actually connect to the devices it says it can at the speeds it advertises.
@witherouz593 4 місяці тому
thats where the funny "up to" words come in, those two words fix all legal obligations
@DeepStereo1 4 місяці тому
I am speeeeed
@marcusloo767 4 місяці тому
Wouldn’t the only function/benefit to 10gb lan/46gb WiFi speed be internal network file transfer, internal communication speed or rdp?
@mraso30 4 місяці тому
Those Red Devil cards actually look really dope!
@MPAzezal 4 місяці тому
I was not expecting the speed results of wifi 7 (when right next to it)
@MrSkyl1ne 4 місяці тому
How is this the first wifi 7 router you've gotten your hands on when the deco be85 from tp-link has been available for months already in north America?
@Newbeejtk1 4 місяці тому
True even downloading games on the Xbox Series X with a wired 1.4 Gbps internet connection on average the download speeds never even come remotely close to maxing out. Maybe only hitting the high 500 to mid 600 Mbps range during the download
@danwat1234 4 місяці тому
Power consumption? Wish you would have done a Kill-a-Watt test. Next comcast modem is going from version XB8 to XB10, which will have WIFI 7 and so probably even higher idle power consumption than XB8's of about 16w.
@squirrelzar 4 місяці тому
Cool to see these things starting to come out. But I’ll wait for Ubiquity’s AP whenever it comes lol
@Johno2518 4 місяці тому
While the fastest internet connection here in Australia is Gigabit I think Linus overlooked the fact that maybe a couple PCs might download from Steam but you may have other users streaming from media services such as Netflix and possibly using other services so it’s possible to saturate a Gigabit connection (assuming the ISP isn’t overloaded).
@VM-lt9wl 4 місяці тому
A 4k Netflix stream won't even use 15mbps..
@Johno2518 4 місяці тому
@@VM-lt9wl you’ve missed my point which was that there could be several connections using a link. There might be a couple of streams going as well as a few downloads.
@vhol93 4 місяці тому
Im looking forward to replace my AC netgear R8000 X6 for a WiFi 7 Mesh like TPLinks BE95 or similar, whenever it's available in Europe.
@blindfire3167 4 місяці тому
I got the 6E version free with Frontier Fiber...it's alright, but the first major issue is YOU CANT SEPARATE THE BANDS! So I have 2 printers now completely useless because they keep trying to connect to the one network and choose 5Ghz when they're 2.4Ghz only, a dead old TV (same issue as printers, but that's fine whatever it was time for an upgrade anyways), and now 4 of my own personal 9 devices, along with 11 of my family's devices, ONLY connect to the 2.4Ghz with no way of changing it which includes my Phone (S21 Ultra, but I've fixed it by just restarting the phone, still happens twice a month), my niece's tablet (no way of changing it but it has 5Ghz capabilities), and a bunch of TVs/Streaming Devices. I get they wanted to make the "Apple version of a router" so that it's easy to setup and use, but the limit what people who know wtf is going on from being able to properly use each device is frustrating and I hope more companies DON'T try and do this "1 network names handles all bands" BS.
@wir7460 4 місяці тому
3:55 Linus absolutely rofl, hahahaha, perfect delivery
@xVertigo101 4 місяці тому
I have 2.5Gbps and I'm frequently capping it with work. I'm thinking about upgrading to 5Gbps from Fidium Fiber in Maine once it's available
@cwinter90 4 місяці тому
Valve Deckard could use this maybe? Isnt part of the problem with bandwidth for the video not being good? Idk... Just a thought.
@foxale08 4 місяці тому
The official standard for Wifi 7 hasn't been released yet. It's possible for compatibility issues with future devices.
@Green42069 4 місяці тому
Happy holidays LMG.
@JayTownsend1 4 місяці тому
In the uk we call the fibre box ont so might be regional of the company maybe? Just a guess though
@TheRogueAdventurers 4 місяці тому
I mean WiFi access points being white does make sense because they're usually attached to the wall or ceiling and those are usually painted white
@jameshooper6165 3 місяці тому
Fun video. The reason I need 10Gbe ports on my router is NOT based on my ISP, but my desire to edit 4K on a NAS without lag. But I'm having trouble finding a white intel-based motherboard that comes with 10Gbe at any price. We indeed need more devices with 10Gbe ports regardless of ISP speeds.
@JesseBacker 4 місяці тому
An eero 6 thing came with my Internet bundle. It drops internet to my 2.4 only devices constantly. Blocks internet connections I use (gpu mining pools) and it's always stupid hot to the touch. On top of all that.. there was a hidden 2.99 subscription cost hidden in my monthly bill. Not happy.
@elremineh 4 місяці тому
The subscription is a deal breaker for me honestly, it there is a subscription already, there is possibilities to put more things under said subscription. Also the 13.99 sub in order to use functionality that is already inside my 1.200USD device is stupid
@paytonfrizzell2055 4 місяці тому
I work for an ISP that uses eero as our provided router and they have some of the strangest bugs
@mannydejesus6996 4 місяці тому
Is anyone else curious how fast he's internet service provider is, like 3gps for a speed test damn. He also made it seem that it could be faster. How fast is your internet?
@mattanderson987 4 місяці тому
My new ISP came with an eero router, lasted 2 days before I replaced it.
@GothicDragonX 4 місяці тому
Still using my original Netgear Orbi, and I still need to see the need to upgrade besides the advantage of WiFi 6e/7, mainly because I'm under gigabit connection from the ISP; no point in overspending for internet if I still have not maxed out my current speed, sure is nice to download anything in a matter of seconds than minutes. And still, I can stream media between devices and my PC without any issues. With all that said, WiFi 7 is excellent. I can't wait for 8 or 9 when I am ready to upgrade.
@joeandjoeable123 4 місяці тому
I'm actually surprised at the speeds you got with wifi 5. It could be that your office's air is noisy, but on my eero 6e, using my wifi 6(not e) device I get full internet speed 1200+ mbps, so Im surprised you got less. Is this expected for tests from your office or is it to do with the device, such as the other features it supports hogging resources or potentially a worse antenna?
@pproba 4 місяці тому
You're surprised that they got lower speeds with wifi 5 than you with wifi 6?
@ryancrazy1 4 місяці тому
ONT - "Optical Network Terminal" that what we call them in South eastern PA, USA
@zambiezie 2 місяці тому
Eero Max 7 has issues with Bridged mode that the PRO 6 didn't. I have used Eero mesh systems for the last three iterations on bridged mode (behind a Sonicwall firewall). This week I decided to upgrade the Eero Pro 6 (which consistently gets 800 to 900GB download) with the Max 7. Unfortunately, I'm using the EXACT same configuration the Max 7 and it only gets about 160 GB down... consistently) . If I put the PRO 6 back, I'm back to >800. Put the Max 7 back down to
@MidnightWarrior911 4 місяці тому
this video seems to have quite a few artifacts i barley noticed it on my lower refresh rate monitors but on my 240hz monitor it was very noticeable. just curious if anyone else experienced this.
@Hewitt_himself 4 місяці тому
ONT is the standard term over here in the UK, I assume the same for rest of europe but at least in UK as it has been printed since before brexit stuff came into effect...
@lomelyo 4 місяці тому
The TP Link Deco are way smaller in their BE63 model. And it's WiFi 7 too. It's also 300 dollars not 600. Are we sure this isn't undisclosed sponsoring?
@ewenchan1239 4 місяці тому
The fact that Linus was able to REPEAT the problems with the subscribing -- that will DEFINITELY make it back to the Eero app software team with SOMEBODY asking "WTF?". We have the eero 6 (apparently) (not 6E), but it works well enough for what we need it to do. :)
@Dkrocksmith 4 місяці тому
O.N.T = optical network terminal. It's like a modern, but for fiber optics
@Ender_Wiggin 4 місяці тому
Yes you did see this before look at your review of the 60ghz router you did ages ago
@LeoVillacorte 4 місяці тому
Did someone check the email the account is setup with to verify the account once its been setup with a subscription? Probably needs activation/confirmation
@littlejack59 4 місяці тому
This is why not doing sponsored reviews is important. Ive never seen anyone on short-circuit be this critical of a products buggy system they always just say "preproduction" or "ya their going to patch that"
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