Really no excuses don’t care if she was abused so she does it worse to her kids should not have given her the privilege to have kids

This is fake 29:31 the laughing in background shows the editing as well as the timing and no judge would allow this in court or on this type of case maybe I report this site to BBB

@@MichelleFrisbie-ug3ntwhat are you on about?

@@MichelleFrisbie-ug3ntbetter business bureau??? Lmao you should do that 😂😂😂

​@MichelleFrisbie-ug3nt are you insane saying it's fake you live in a bubble

Not sure if Paul's disability is actually intellectual or emotional. Their mother was a complete MONSTER

​@@truthseeker6370as an autistic person myself, and based on the fact that autism, adhd, and such run in families, I'd be willing to bet that he's also autistic. Just with lower support needs. Either way, he's clearly scared of his mother.. 😢

​@@trevaenglish1542 yes, I agree. He seems intelligent enough, but his answers make me think that he could very well have autism. I have been watching this video with the zoom right up close to his face and his hands when visible and I don't have any doubt whatsoever that he's scared of his mother. I see he got convicted too. I hope that his case is appealed quickly and successfully.

​@@trevaenglish1542autistic and agree

My boy is autistic I understand it's a big spectrum however my son is high functioning and he could never sit n quietly articulate the way this poor boy is he's not autistic id spot that a mile away

And we only learn of the cases that erupt into the news. How many other children are in daily agony - unknown victims of parental cruelty? The daily - hourly - torture that this poor child had to endure before death came to rescue him is unimaginable: we hear the words but the reality is beyond words.

It's awful. I grew up in the "inner city" and the things I've seen are absolutely heartbreaking. So many Ppl are horrific "parents" 😔 (before & after being born).

😢😢@@rogcat7181

This is what I think about too. You never know what is happening behind closed doors. It could be happening at your neighbors, in your neighborhood, in your town and no one would know until the ultimate tragedy happens and the police get involved. It kills me to think that there’s children suffering right now. About 10 minutes from me AJ Freund was murdered by his disgusting birth giver and his sperm donor took his tiny body and buried him in a field in the next town over before reporting him missing. No one knew what was happening. DCFS was notified by the local ER doctor because he had huge bruises and DCFS dropped the ball. One of those workers was just convicted. One was not.

I just said the same things. "The things that people do in their homes" ugh

She had been repeatedly raped by her father by the age of 8 to 12. He had also been charged for molestering other children including her sister. These cycles of abuse in families must stop

I thght I was alone. I don't believe in cruelty even when it comes to monsters but this broad OMG ....

I agree, her and Gabriel Fernandez mother

She will woman Huron Bally is the only prison in Michigan

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How did she work when she was always watching cameras and texting Paul to torture I wonder what her co workers think about her now

it would take minutes ​@@deborahtemple2542

I don't think her law degree has anything to do with this, she was just evil and disgusting...It seems she was over her head and this poor guy, who has some sort of disability was her pawn

What was wrong with this lady?? Why on earth did she treat this boy this way? Was she unable to handle his disability?? Why?? Why?? Where had he been before he lived with them??😊

Yea that is sooo true. Michigan justice system is messed up.

Amen so sad

He’ll have a safer place in jail than he created for his brother. Did you hear the text messages?

Nah, he was an adult who had a job. He's using words like reiterate, & induce. He says he knew the child didn't like eating things with hot sauce and refused to pour hot sauce on the kids genitals ( he wore a diaper and prob had sores and rashes).... All signs that he knew what he was doing was dead wrong. Sounds like this abuse didn't start until the special needs kid came to live w/them and after the step father had the stroke. They say the kid was chubby when he came to live with them. This isn't some long standing abuse. This is them not being able to handle the child with special needs. Think of how many teens get charged as adults for their crimes this guy was an actual adult yet y'all wanna treat him like a child. He knew it was dead wrong to do what he was doing he knew it was a form of punishment/discipline I have no sympathy for this child abuser.

@@moriordan85bloodthirsty

⁠@@moriordan85 if you know what those words mean, then you know that he was using them incorrectly. He clearly has some cognitive deficiencies. Simply repeating “big words” doesn’t mean that he can understand them. He wasn’t able to answer very simple questions unless they were REPHRASED (that would be the appropriate word to use, reiterate means to repeat; rephrase means to say in another way). This kid has been just as victimized as his brother who died. I have nothing but empathy for him. The person you should detest is the monster sitting in the defendants seat. This kid needs therapy in a locked in environment until he has built skills to live in a group home, and then slowly moved to the outside world. All he is guilty of is trying to not get his mother’s attention and suffer her wrath too.

But wrong is wrong

I don’t think he’s scared of her but scared for her AND himself.

​@@jennam3892no, he is scared to make sure he is doing what SHE WANTS. He is scared of her.

​@@TheScream2023so is self-righteousness, hypocrisy, and victim blaming.

This older brother knew exactly what he was doing too!! He has to know this was wrong!! He needs life in prison too !

Yeah I thought at first she was just disciplining her kid but the more you listen to this, you realize how sick it is. Paul is nervous, he knows he's being judged, and he's judging himself, maybe really, for the first time. She doesn't deserve a comfortable cell, she deserves a lifetime of hard labor for what she did. Paul deserves a cell and psychiatric help.

@@TakeTheRide couldn't agree more. I just could not imagine doing that to anybody let alone a child I carried and gave birth to... I really try to put myself in someone else's shoes before I pass judgment. I can't for the life of me understand how or why any of this would be acceptable a single time let alone for such a long period of time.

Can't believe she's so relaxed, the nerve of her shaking her head in disagreement as he's telling all

I see him struggling with his memories and looking at his mother with utter hatred. i think he understands completely that hes here to destroy his mother, and thats exactly what he did.

I just went to wash my hands while listening to this had to wait for the water to warm up and couldn't help but think what if I had to get into a tub full of ice water.

I'm surprised he didn't collapsed with the starvation, and standing endlessly..poor baby..she makes me sick with her looks.

I’m watching this thinking the same. Only a few minutes in I’m watching this “this is a vulnerable adult”. This doesn’t seem right but…

Absolutely. This young man is obviously on the spectrum. And you can tell he is still afraid of that woman.

Absolutely. The level of trauma and abuse is terrible. Parents are supposed to be caregivers and take care of us. We're supposed to feel safe around them. You can't possibly feel safe around someone ordering you to help her torture your sibling. He can't probably trust anyone else now too. He's going to need therapy for years, maybe more than a decade.

Paul was his mothers henchman. Paul took pleasure in being extremely evil to Paul.

@@chicfini I Believe him and his mother need a life without parole sentence

Did he not receive help either???

I know he's very much a victim as well.

He didn't know it was wrong??

@@awkwardautistic and what is right and wrong? It is what you are taught as right or wrong. For some people euthanasia is wrong for others it is the right thing to do in some cases. It is a belief, an idea, it is not an absolute... What you are referring to is "having empathy towards others". That is something completely different. Any person with empathy towards others would indeed not do this, because they don't want to inflict pain on others... And maybe he was afraid of what his mother was capable of. This is a very complex thing for us to understand. And to be honest, I don't think we are capable of understanding what this kind of environment does to you. It's is not excuse, but I believe it is more complex than just black or white, there is a whole spectrum of different greys in between...

No, this boy knows right from wrong that is why he agreed to the PLEA!! He is guilty as she is and both are evil murderers !! Had the child in the closet, cameras on him, starving him, cold baths, no Doctors, no medicine, home school, hand cuffs…. pure evil and I hope they both get INMATE JUSTICE!!

Oh the prisoners will definitely know. Prison Karma is very real.

So beyond understanding..and yes, quite evil.

Let's not leave out the crippled old man upstairs hollering and directing a good bit of this cruelty. Whenever the need to control took over the love, that's when things went for a ride on the crazy train to perdition 😪

​@@justawaitress8421The old man wasn't there, please try to follow along.

Absolutely. She tortured both of these boys, just in different ways. I hope Paul gets the help he clearly needs, and has an opportunity to live some of his life in a normal way.

The word that escapes you is "evil".

Exactly. They were denied a normal, loving mother. A need so basic it goes through the heart and cuts to the very soul.

She probably starved him too if he didn't obey.

Wrong is wrong.

​@@isobella2303And exactly who did he have in his life to teach him right from wrong? Or protect him? What a nasty comment.

​@EXACTLY aquariusmoon771

I completely agree. I’ve just finished reading up on Takoda Collins which led me here.

In Canada today at public school a child can change their name and gender without even telling their parents. If the parents think their child is being groomed and complain, they can be jailed, fined, have their children abducted by child protective services and then the child can get hormone blockers, and surgery even though they can't drive a car, get a piercing or a tattoo or vote. There is no where safe for kids these days.

I'd be interested in knowing the statistics about how long abuse went on before being discovered for both publicly schooled and home schooled kids. I suspect that home schooled kids endured abuse longer before discovery.

I made a comment on a previous post about this man and his mother wishing the worst for both without seeing this one. Now I feel sorry because it’s clear that this man has been influenced. Yes he is a grow man but has struggled a hell of a lot. She should take the maximum amount of penalties for this. He obviously is accountable BUT has suffered also. She has taken advantage. So sad 😞 it’s rly so so sad x

it doesn't really matter if you go to school. 😅 i know of so many people who have been severly abused who went to school and noone ever cared.

He was conditioned to it

​@@Lupina-mp5ckWho would be the culprit be? His mother? He was a bully always a bully hence his father kicked Paul out of the house. Paul also sexually assaulted Timothy. There was no promoting by Shanda. Transcripts.

My heart just breaks for him. He's a victim too

A willing participant,lady...Or did I miss as him being mentally disabled too?

His facial twitches seem like he has some kind of neurological disorder

@@barbaralerm9310 if you look at his face throughout, he’s twitching, making nervous smiles. I believe he has mental or neurological issues

He said in a statement why didn't you help him and he said I guess I didn't love him. He was actually working a job he could have notified anybody at any time to save his brother's life.

No child anywhere should feel what this child did

He remembers the acts .

I simply cant watch this evil. Cause i know congress doesnt work but covering up there own .

Unfathomable terror and fear. No one can imagine it. Let alone do something like that.

I can’t get over the fact a 15 year old boy put up with this , how long was he starved? I know most 15 year olds fight back. Did they also drug him?

I cried so hard when I heard the part where the pizza roll was put in front of Timothy face and then not giving them to him. , is beyond evil , both Paul and Shonda are doth devils in sheep clothing , I hope and pray they Both get same treatment in prison,

Horrible I agree can not get my head around this so on a hunger strike but needs food what t wat

@MarieBonser like him reaching for the food proved he was "faking" it... it makes me so sick. That poor kid STARVED to death while they were busy trying to prove some dumb bullshyt. They should be starved & taunted with food & given ice baths every day & forced to run up & down stairs & clean the garage without frickin' pants on! Our country needs to change the way we dole out punishments. CLEARLY THE THREAT OF INCARCERATION IS NOT SCARY ENOUGH TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DOING THESE THINGS!!

Not they, the mother. She made that guy do these things.

It is a simple way of looking at undesirable behavior in people. Imagine if people are just so complex, that we have both desirable and also cruel sides within us. That doesn't mean the act can be justified but we are still human. If we are to find some kind of reconciliation in humanity, maybe we need to start there.

As a father of three, I do admit I get angry and frustrated… BUT the thought of inflicting pain or not feeding my children doesn’t cross my mind. You do make a valid point though..

@Heretoskate1 I am a father of four, and for me, it's so far out that a parent can do what she did. I have myself never "punished" my kids for "misbehaving."

, , lig99

She may be human but no humanity there. She has no good sides. The world will always have contrast, yes. The good, the bad, and complex good mixed with bad. That woman is bad. That woman is a monster. She can not be reconciled.

I agree

Right... happening right this very moment and no one's helping. Too bad there isn't some invisible being that sees all, to stop abusers

This may be a controversial opinion, but this is why I'm wary of Homeschooling. It allows a parent to hide a child for their entire lives, never showing their children to anybody. Had she been required to send Timothy to school, the abuse would have been immediately evident.

Yes reminds me of my experiences.....alot goes on behind closed doors

Its sad i can four different trials / deaths right off the top of my head just by browsing and then watching them on youtube. You’re right… I can’t even begin to imagine what we haven’t seen or heard of.

You’ve obviously never been in an abusive relationship. You are brainwashed into fearing your abuser and their punishment

this is not how the brain of a traumatised person works. if she abused him the same way she abused Tim, since they were babies, then it's normal that he told no one.

Exactly my thoughts! No excuse.

@@user-nq1ok8cz6s, no, he wasn't ! You obviously skipped half of it! No excuse for Paul torturing his brother, he did it far more than his mother!

⁠@@user-nq1ok8cz6snah, i wouldn’t say that’s normal. Normal is protecting your younger sibling. I’m speaking as someone who was abused and traumatized, by a parent and step-parent, and who has diagnosed c-ptsd. I stood up for my younger brother (2.5 years younger) when I was much younger than Paul (starting around the age of 8/9) MANY times. I stood up for him against physical violence and at the threat of, and execution of, other extreme punishments (not nearly as extreme as Timothy had to endure however). I’m also diagnosed with ASD (high functioning) so mental disorders aren’t an excuse either, as I’ve seen other commenters use that alongside Paul being afraid himself. I’d fight my parent(s) to the death before I allowed even a fraction of this torture to take place, let alone participate in it. No one’s trauma/ reaction to trauma is the same so ofc my experiences don’t define everyone else’s, but it’s a false narrative that fear overrides love/ morals, or is an excuse to behave so cruelly. Paul even said he didn’t love Timothy enough. He feels bad cause he knows it was wrong and he should have done something sooner, and if he knows it’s wrong, then there’s no excuse for him to not get help or TRY. Even if he was afraid in the moment and that made him complacent, he would have gotten help or tried to if he felt bad and loved his brother.

Oh my god are you fuckibg kidding me???? He only lived with her for a year when he was 17-18 HE WAS NOT A VICTINLM

relatives said he was extremely brutal to him all on his own. he also sexually abused him. he also was diagnosed as a probable psychopath as a teen but the school psychologists said he was too young for the official diagnosis. he is his mothers son.

“In fear of the other inmates abusing him” are you kidding me?! He deserves everything he gets in there for what he did to that poor child. Go watch his sentencing hearing! He knew exactly what he was doing and even said he “liked having power over somebody”. He’s a monster just like his mother!

@@DorothyAdeline thank you!!! I cant believe people are defending him!

@@WatchingHamasBURN I know, it absolutely baffles me. He was fully aware of his actions

I 🙏that they get help for this poor kid. God help him.

Indeed...she might have become a judge someday 😨

There are so many predators in positions of authority. Sadists gravitate to those positions.

​@@earthcat😮 Then we wonder about the evil in the world!

You gotta wonder if she was judging the criminals while she worked in court. I’ve been a criminal in this very court, she probably scribed my case. (Just driving stuff)

Did they mention why the mother hated the victim son so much?? She s a pure evil 👿

She definitely didn't want him .tried to give him to the father, father gave him back then she tortured him 😢that poor kid.

she had gotten in trouble with CPS in another jurisdiction. She had already abused him and his dad sent him back to the monster@@recuerdos2457

@@recuerdos2457 you just answered your own question. Some people are just evil. Nothing else matters.

@@recuerdos2457I think she is very insecure about her own intelligence (in her testimony videos you can tell that her education and mental capacity is very important to her) and she resented and hated her own children for having disabilities/disorders that limited or challenged their intellectual abilities. I think she looked down on them and thought they were useless and stupid

I was thinking of that book the whole time as well, it’s eerily similar. it’s extremely disturbing to see that case replicated, and to think of how much it’s being replicated without our knowing. it makes me sick, i hope that poor baby is at peace 💔

The brother Richard Pelzer wrote a book as well "A Brother's Journey" where he corroborated everything (and more) that was in "A Child Called 'It' ".

I love that book

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She was probably hoping he'd screw it up and result in a hung jury or a mistrial.

Why? She’s just doing what whites have always done in this country

Well said I agree 💯👍

Well she was a law clerk.

There’s worse out there too. The ruling class are genocidal

Narcissist, sociopath! This world Is falling apart!

I feel the same way. always have. i feel the same about animal abuse

​@@jeaniee.6283❤ She's a special kind of evil. She's heartless & soulless.

And she certainly should NOT be allowed water on the stand!

Not to mention the bathrooms times they gave him 😢

@@trinitylace1101 This person's evil knows no bounds. She knew he couldn't meet those time limits so time for more punishment. She's a sadistic demon.👿👿

100% agree

exactly. that will be his saving grace. along with the fact he asked his mom to call 911 right away and she said NO. he wanted to help, but she had all the control

He was severely brainwashed. It will take a lot of therapy to heal from such extreme abuse.

Of course he noticed the boy was skinny…..his not an idiot ! It’s nothing about emphasizing….he was smart enough to advise his mother that he was starving and that he would find himself involved in the torture !

I bet the Mom maybe needed someone to talk to you before the violence I occurred. I got charm, I maybe could have charmed her and stopped her. You never know. Someone told me, "Young man you are naive thinking you got the magic charm to cure "Deadly Women" I told one of my friends he's in his 50's (I'm 33 yrs of age right now myself) that I wanted to be kidnapped by a group of Sorority Sisters. He said "Be careful dude, your weakness is Women". "Don't get seduced & fall on the Web "

He’s not. They get plenty of food in prison and jail. Just his body type

Agreed Kurt!! I feel no sympathy for him at all. He even decided against pouring the hot sauce between Timothy's legs as it was "too far". So he clearly knows right from wrong. Absolute cretins

I’m having the same feelings. He is most definitely not as inept as he’s making himself out to be. Like you said, he went to work, he held a job. Surely he had interactions with co workers and managers that must have been friendly and relatively normal. I don’t doubt his disgusting mother had a negative impact on him, however this guy had a cell phone, held a job, had the ability to be online, got rides from co workers, and he very clearly knows right from wrong. I don’t for a second believe that his “terror’ and “fear” of his mother overtook his discretion of right and wrong. I’ve listened to jail calls of his, and read all evidence and listened to the interview/interrogation. This guy is not an innocent bystander. He is just as guilty as she is. He deserves the maximum punishment. This case is so so sad. Rest in forever peace to sweet Timothy.

You probably didn't live in the household run by a violent narcissist. I told no one about what happened to me and my siblings growing up until I was in my mid 20s going through therapy. It wasn't until I found the right therapist in my 30s that I ever actually explained to degree of what happened. The level to which you are reminded that no one will believe you, that you will have nowhere to go if something happens to the parent, the amount that you are torn down mentally you don't have the willpower to even stand up for yourself. It's a constant autopilot. You get reminded that you should be thankful for what you have, that you won't have it better anywhere else, and this is just the psychological toll. The last time I remembered trying to tell someone when I was a kid, I'll never forget one specific bruise I came away with. That was when I knew it wasn't worth fighting. Year after year after year, it breaks you. I am 40, I've been on medication and in therapy for 15 yrs and I still struggle to trust others. When those who are supposed to be biologically programmed to love you don't, and you are constantly bombarded with the world talking about how awesome it is to have a loving family, it must be me. It's my fault this happened so you desperately try anything and everything to just convince them that you are worthy of love.

I agree!!! He could have saved his little brother. I believe he made the choice out of fear but he’s culpable.

in some of his answers he makes sure to add that it was per instruction from his mother to the point where it becomes obvious that his main focus is on making himself look better, especially his response to the hot-sauce on genitals made me loose most of my sympathy for him! no doubt he suffered too but it does not make it ok, he knew what he was doing... he could have stopped it!

Monsters create monsters. I'm pretty sure her childhood wasn't any better. Because she never knew anything else, that was normal for her. Unfortunately, that is the sad truth.

@@user-kv6wh6ez5w There are millions of people who have been abused by their families yet they did not turn out to be monsters like this woman.

​@@user-kv6wh6ez5w It is quite possible.

Will the father was no angel he he participated probably at least by ignoring the situation situation. I wonder if they'll ask this kid how does he feel about doing those things and did anybody do that stuff to him? 😢

Until we find out how this kid felt while this is going on there's really no thing. We need to know this to see if he will be a menace to society. Right now he's probably testifying to get a reduced sentence. He will need a lot of love and counseling to be able to love himself again after she forced him to do these things.. ❤😢

I thought she would be shaking her head because he was lying, and thought maybe he did some of this by his own initiative

I literally just said the SAME exact thing about her shaking her head! I just wanted to jump through the screen so bad. how DARE she act like that when her child’s life was literally lost… disgusting.

WELL SAID 😢

Makes me sick he was put in prison over this because of this mother and he was tortured too.

Yep didn't it just irk you!! Her chewing that gum,,like if she was so special since she use to work in that courthouse,,burned my ass too. I was so glad when that Judge put a stop to that!!

I heard him say my mother once. That's all though.

Well said! Narcissist are evil to the core.

I totally agree 💯

saddens me to no end.

I agree. My heart is hurting for him. He is so terrified. He can't stop looking at his mother. He has been mentally abused his whole life, imo. What an evil woman she is.

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I agree, I feel so hurt for him. I don’t know exactly what he did, but I don’t think I could say he was guilty of much.

Same

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@@coll4455. Exactly , somebody should stand in front of her . He’s intimidated Poor thing

@@kimmie1957I kept hoping the lawyer would do that, he’s clearly intimidated and doing his best. You can clearly see him beating himself up for not helping his brothers, for not standing up to his mother even though he was being abused as well. I hope his sentence isn’t harsh but includes a TON of therapy and they bury her under the jail.

Paul might be 'a' victim, but he's sure as hell not THE victim here. A boy is DEAD, and it happened as a direct consequence of Paul's actions, an adult with a job who frequently and enthusiastically texted his mom about wanting to torture and kill Timothy, exchanging conspiracy theories that Timothy was 'faking it', etc. It's outrageous that people are feeling sorry for a child murderer who turned state's witness to avoid a murder charge himself.

How did nobody know

Exactly

He was homeschooling and not allowed to go outside

I dont think he has special needs, he just seems to have a low IQ.

I agree, this is so sad to watch.

He's going to have to live with the guilt for the rest of his life. It's absolutely disgusting she did this to her entire family.

I agree. When he looks defiantly toward her as he answers some of the questions you can see he is trying to take control back from her. He may have felt more important at first being in charge but you can see he has mental disabilities. Whatever he is she has designed him to be such. No mother would do this to her babies, and her high intelligence is so disturbing. I can’t even imagine how she makes this right with herself. I hope she gets what she deserves and someone takes it upon themselves to rehabilitate this young man. He should not have been living this way.

Did they say he had special needs or something? I might've missed that, because he doesn't seem to have any special needs at all based on this testimony

And I'm wondering how the stepfather got the stroke? Don't you have trouble talking after a stroke?

@@deadmanswife3625stroke is cause by many things high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, there are degrees of stroke, not all cause speech loss!

@@Donnellx1Okafor yes

I agree, when they asked him who decided that the poor boy was overeating I was looking at him and thinking I bet he genuinly has no idea what a regular full diet looks like because he is so clearly unhealthily underwieght. There is nondoibt in my mind this young man was awfully neglacted a d abused by his mother aswell.

Well I guess I haven't heard yet why he didn't leave He's old enough to leave He worked as a dishwasher He should have reported this because it was inevitable It was going to kill his brother and maybe even him I guess that's just brainwashing though you know sometimes you get brainwashed and if she raised them since they were little then he's been brainwashed you know. Lots of people that are in colts and have been brainwashed don't report things

That's the type of employment these people tend to get into as it's all about power over other people. politicians, police, judges, doctors, educators. child protection.

both are

She graduated second in class at her law school and she passed bar exam with a very high score, but still made tons of incriminating text messages.

It isn't uncommon for narcissists to be caught in such a manner; they believe they can outsmart everyone.

😂

That is awesome. My 5 year old is autistic but unfortunately because of covid it took just a year to diagnose him and he has been in speech and OT for 2 years and just got accepted into ABA. I hope it helps

@@lenacheneyABA is amazing especially if received at school and home within 8 months my son has seen amazing progress

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I know, right!

❤ God bless your loving and compassionate heart. Your son's achievements is the result of what a wonderful mother and human person you are.

I am not from the US. I do not understand the concept of giving additional years to a life sentence. Would you please explain ?

​​@@geraldbroflovskiskankhunt4776 its so that even at some point, if her sentence is lightened on good behavior, a technicality etc. as the years go on, she still has zero chance of living a life outside of prison based on her age now. judges will do this sometimes when the crime is especially terrible for example, a young girl in my neighborhood was SA'd and kidnapped by an older man and the judge gave him a sentence of 80 years because he held this girl for over 80 hours. the judge is fully aware this guy was not going to physically survive that sentence.

@@camdenhunt7565 Ok, so they do this to be 100% sure they can’t get out even with good behavior etc ?

@@camdenhunt7565 I live in Germany, and here we have so weird rules. But sometimes, when the crime was to extreme judges can give them “sicherheitsverwahrung” after prison, it is basically a prison after the real prison to make sure these individuals will never be allowed to enter society again. Only thing i really enjoy about the justice system here in Germany, but unfortunately in reality criminals are not sentenced to this…

Agreed. This boy is also a victim of her. He looked terrified mentioning he made food for his brother and didn’t want her to know.

He looks so malnourished himself. So sad you can still see the fear in his face.

I don’t see fear lol

It's awful to watch 😢

And the abuse he's suffered can be seen in his physical appearance. However he could have went for help. He could have told someone.

So true. How many cases like this have we seen of abusive parents being given permission for Home Schooling and no follow-up. Not everyone who does that is criminal. But those with questionable behavior, arrest records, should not be given this right.

Both are criminals, and both should be given prison, no doubt about it!

He still should have know better he looks old enough to know right from wrong 😢

@@leyzza40how would he know right from wrong being raised by that? Truly. Thats his normal.

He wasn’t isolated his entire life, he should have known better. He is also to blame for the torture and death of his brother.

I think he just wanted to stay on his mother's good side

Yes, the mother does not deserve 3 hots and a cot at Our expense. If harsher laws would be put in place, these things would cease to happen among us. Thank God Timothy is in heaven healthy and free!❤

​@@amybahner6511 Agree 💯!

Agree 💯!

I agree but to the system that’s an easy way out so they decided to sentence her life without parole and to have her suffer worse consequences alive !!

@@amybahner6511 I agree with the sentiment, but it's just not true that harsher laws like the death penalty actually deter crime. She deserves whatever punishment she gets and I pray she will never have the opportunity to hurt anyone else. All we can do is hope for her rehabilitation otherwise this whole process is for nothing.

​@@elaineg5749she did. You can tell by hid behavior.

His hands say so much. He doesn't know what to do with his hands. He is so intimidated by that woman. He has no self-confidence and he's ashamed of what he has done to his brother, now that the truth is being brought into the light. Sad. Just sad.

He is habdcuffed​@@TakeTheRide

God don’t feel sorry for him do your research he’s as complicit as her

He is not. Open your mind.

That’s the American jurisprudence system for you. A justice system based on retribution, & not rehabilitation! There’s an expensive human cost, to that kind of social anger! Let’s all keep in mind, that this kid’ll be out of prison one day! I’d rather he was reformed, not just another angry young man on the street!..🤷🏻‍♀️

He knew it was wrong and did nothing to help his brother.

​@@awkwardautisticdid you name your narrow minded high horse Victim Blamer or Self-Righteous?

@@awkwardautisticseems he’s brainwashed from what others are implying, even sent photos of him to her showing concern, unlike her who didn’t show a bit of concern.

Couldn’t have said it better myself 😢

Where did you see the footage of her while this young man was testifying? Is that when that POS had her "episode?" Thanks for the info...

@@Claudia-lq3ns couple times but one is at @22:13 onward

Hitler can have a real physiological panic attack. The cultural prevalence of one's conduct is not determine whether once panic attack is getting feigned or not..

She does not care one bit. The only reason she is worried is because she got caught, but there is no remorse imo

@@sarahte8154 Got it!! Thanks so much! Ugh.. this woman is pure evil

I have no children but I feel the same...

No really it made me cry. This is heartbreaking, he is sitting there in cuffs while she shakes her head like he’s lying. I knew this trial was going to be hard to watch but this young man clearly was manipulated and abused himself. That’s very obvious.

How come he sounded totally compliant in what he was doing to his brother ?

Probably because his mother threatened him if he didn't do what he was told to do. I feel bad for this young man. He doesn't belong in jail. ​@@jennfrostbutter2715

@@jennfrostbutter2715 I think there are many psychological abuse and control factors that were likely used on him, it’s heartbreaking and mind boggling that this stuff happens and to invoke a sibling is abuse on that child too.

I think he should be sent to a hospital to get therapy and recover. I don't think this poor kid deserves jail.

Funny how you whites always have sympathy for your own as if this guy didn’t know right from wrong 🤦‍♂️

I agree with everything you said. I almost cried watching this brother on the stand.

Heck, I am a full grown adult and that lady already scares me to death. Can't imagine beeing a child to her.

Yeah I’m sickened by all the people being ignorant in the comments , it’s not like he gets away with it , he did also do harm and should be held accountable. But context matters, it’s clear that he’s been manipulated and scared of his mother his entire life. I also think he’s a neurodiverse person himself, it’s not shocking she got him to do her dirty work and he did it to please her.

It’s beyond belief 😢

His looks toward her is anger and disgust not much as fear anymore. Hes embarrassed to answer these questions in front of these people because of her. I hope he feels some relief telling on her. She didn't care about this son either.😢

I'd be ok with Shanda just getting Carolina Reaper hot sauce, no bread 🤷🏼‍♀️

Definitely shows he also has been abused

Paul had to please his “ mother” to survive He is also a victim here

@@schmimzyif even in her mouth, reminds me of the Takota case. AL ugh just ugh and the girlfriend who went along with it .. and her sister who got 8 years but I think she was half responsible she was slow but not that slow she was scared too, where she told on Takota because she was scared of AL too the whole case is sick. The leg of the chair thing I vomited, he was r*ping him, and the bending down touching his toes for hours.. having to eat whatever they gave him that way…. but the jumping out the attic SMALL window speaks volumes like a horror movie… just trying to get away, only to be given right back 😔😣😢

He is. poor kid was innocent as a new born. may his spirit live on. I don't think any of us can die as pure as poor timothy. I hope he has a spot in the great beyond.

He looks emaciated himself!

I am too! 😢😨

It's been hard for me to follow this case too.

@@britneyfanvideosflI literally said the same thing!

@@sarahkeller7630not as hard as it’s been for the kids

dear god i cant imagine this. i make sure to tell my mother every goddamn day 'thank you'.

What kind of abuse?

Finish watching this hearing, and some of the abuse will be apparent.​@@hellokeroppi5406

Is he going to have a trial?

Yes he could of saved his brother he could 9f not told his mother things Tim done like try stealing food,of cause he was he was staving

He was abused by his mother. We have no idea what he was told by his mother to be compliant. Fear is a good motivator, also good for control. I'm sure mom told him lots of stories about how he would go to prison and people in prison don't like people like him and bad things would happen. This guy obviously doesn't have the ability to work out complex questions. It has to be a direct question that leads to one answer. He has to be led to the answer. God bless the prosecutor because of the patience to do this is immense. I can't not imagine the preparation that went into the witness because the prosecutor knows how to lead when Paul gets 'stuck.' I'm a lawyer with a psychopathology degree and I've often worked with victims, children and you never want to traumatize a child. Sadly age often doesn't determine when you are mentally an adult.

Amen

He is in a glorified body in Heavan with Christ.❤

​@@kellyfinleybrown9313I'm not religious, but this thought is helpful 🥹

Amen❤

Amen…😢🙏🏽🕯️🕊️🕯️

Then she gets up there and testifies and says she can't remember anything so then why would she be saying no? 🗑

Come on.....!!! this brother was fully aware of his actions.. the punishment and torture Timothy endured and suffered from the hands of his mother and brother's brutal treatment is criminal. Always seems these brilliant academics are nuts.

Whenever the need to control took over the love for the child, that's when things went for a ride on the crazy train to perdition 😪

He actually got called a dummy and got told off for "breathing wrong" (thru his mouth). She even took away his access to medication and medical care

What a twisted monster she is.

@@AlissaSss23😭😭💔

Yet, still it happens all the time. Family services are helpless because of lack of funding.

​@@poppyrowland1385Those people are just horrific period

This is also shows he has been abused as well.

Her victims name was Timothy, btw. “G” is her underage child they aren’t naming publicly.

He knew right from wrong, he fed him SOME times and didn't listen to his mothers commands SOME times, that shows he knew right from wrong. He wasn't even raised by his mother, only a year before Tim came there. HE SUGGESTED KILLING TIMOTHY AND STARTING NEW TORTURE SESSIONS!!!! y'all need to learn to listen

Well said 😪

Agreed 💯

A child is dead. There needs to be consequences. He could have gotten help for Timothy but he didn’t. Yes, he was abused too but a child is DEAD.

Yeah and they don't give that a lot in a lot of jails sometimes prison will give that now you only go to prison if your sentence is more than like a year but a lot of jails are pretty threadbare and not so great so you don't have internet you can't really do much of anything but stare sometimes you don't even get books since COVID so. Yeah he does need therapy a lot of it I agree So I hope that the prosecution and people in our country start caring about that that are in the government so that they can get better and not get worse

​@@wheresmycoffee8998yeah I agree too but I guess you don't understand what it's like to be in a cult and to be brainwashed I often worry about some kids I knew that we're very brainwashed by a narcissist thankfully they're away from this violent narcissist now but they were also malnourished You wouldn't think so because one of them was chunky but they shot up and started looking healthy once I got them they were just kind of living on junk food it's a different kind of abuse but it's still abuse in neglect. And they were used as weapons also now they weren't as abused as these children but there was a lot of terrible things going on and sometimes people that are raised like that with no internet and just the brainwashing it's just a tough situation but yeah I think he needs consequences to understand it's wrong and then he also needs a lot of therapy

Omg, I noticed his teeth, what mother doesn’t take her own kid to a dentist? And I think he had a pour nutrition, why people have kids to torture them?

Same, first thought was the evil Ferriters.

The family from Paris California was heartbreaking. There are are 5 just at the top of my head This is our new normal 😢😢 So many families are being abused as we speak and we have zero idea.

This is a whole ‘nother level. It’s pure depravity. It’s cases like this and Gabrielle Hernandez’ story that makes me wonder why these ppl have children.

Her teeth are well cared for though. Interesting, isn’t it? 🤨. This case is horrific. She is at textbook psychopath. I hope this son gets the help and intensive, in-patient mental health treatment he so desperately needs. This young man does not deserve to be in jail. I’m worried he’ll just be further victimized by equally evil people and lose every thread he has to regain a normal life 😢

Dogs get treated better than this

​@@brendamerkle5956houseplants do

Whites never think they do anything wrong 🤷‍♂️

You took the words right out of my mouth 💔😞

You have to remember anyone can be a mother but it takes a real women to be a mom to children

I get what you mean but who would be the person to do to her what she did to Timothy. As much as I hate her, I couldn’t do that to anyone or ask anyone to do that. This woman is a demon.

Paul only lived with his mom for two years bro lol. Yall acting like he's been brainwashed over all these years... He lived with his dad until 2020 and Timothy moved into the mom's house the same year he died This was a sudden act not years in the making. He got absued for 6 months.

Agree. I feel Paul has empathy for his little brother. 20 is not very old, yet. Paul dissociated when carrying out his 'mothers' orders, but there were times when his empathy rose to the surface