Inside America's mass timber movement

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Mass timber is a type of wood being used to build large buildings, like high-rises and airports. Jeff Glor traveled to Oregon to understand more about the material, its safety, and whether it's sustainable to use long-term.
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@addanametocontinue
@addanametocontinue 16 днів тому
I don't like cutting down large patches of trees, either. But I'll be hard-pressed if you're trying to tell me that making buildings out of trees is somehow worse for the environment than steel and concrete. Steel and concrete involve a lot of energy and resources to produce. Timber... that literally grows on trees and requires a lot less effort to prepare.
@datekge2413
@datekge2413 13 днів тому
I get what your say but also how much carbon they release just by cutting down the tree. Also this wood is pressed together laminated planks it’s much stronger base then a normal whole piece of wood. That right there uses a ton of power tools and generators that burn a ton of fuel. I still think a mixture if traditional steel and concrete with newer building materials are the way to go.
@reecedeyoung6595
@reecedeyoung6595 13 днів тому
Wooden buildings will rot and decay. The most buildings that are still usable after 100 years are those made of stone, concrete or steel.
@Jebbis
@Jebbis 13 днів тому
@@reecedeyoung6595 No they're not, you're thinking of stone. Rebar in concrete degrades over time and it loses it's strength. The only concrete buildings that have stood the test of time are un-reinforced concrete. Plus you stop maintaining those buildings and you'll see how fast those buildings become dangerous.
@reecedeyoung6595
@reecedeyoung6595 13 днів тому
@@Jebbis Big fan of structural stone, but reinforced concrete is still gonna last much longer than timber. The Ingalls building was the first reinforced concrete skyscraper and it's still in use. Im not an expert though
@russianbear0027
@russianbear0027 13 днів тому
​@@reecedeyoung6595it really depends on the local conditions and how the wood is treated/it's density. There are many wooden structures and structural members still around that are hundreds of years old. As for environmental impact it depends on how its sourced like the video shows.
@quisp1492
@quisp1492 15 днів тому
It is such a relief to know that there a still people out there making beautiful things.
@michaeladams2959
@michaeladams2959 14 днів тому
So people can sit in bleachers? Really, fight the airport traffic to go hang out, yeah right. Must have gotten a large payout from the timber industry. And who is going to dust between all that lumber, right more jobs for illegal immigrants.
@Kevinbaconismydad
@Kevinbaconismydad 13 днів тому
Union labor
@Primo_extracts
@Primo_extracts 13 днів тому
Beauty, where?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
​@@Primo_extracts Before sharing my opinion...I really and sincerely (for understanding and educational purposes) wish to know more details about your post, please. Thank you in advance...
@schizo8923
@schizo8923 11 днів тому
Dangerous things too. Rot would be prevalent. Brick doesn't rot. I'm not trusting being on the 30th floor of a building during high winds with a bunch of stacks of 2x6's as a foundation.
@danbarrette9888
@danbarrette9888 12 днів тому
I’ve been a wildland firefighter for many years. Some years take me to Oregon, Washington and Northern California. The amount of trees lost to old age and or the environment needs to be witnessed. Selective cutting is a great way to save forest. Idaho and Montana also have some great forest. Working closely with the US Forest Service we enter some extremely protective areas where we cannot start any type of motor (chainsaw). This country could diversify more in the building materials used.
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
Spot on...!!!
@danielwoods404
@danielwoods404 12 днів тому
Thanks for your hard work dude!
@amarketing8749
@amarketing8749 10 днів тому
Trees lost to old age and the environment are still important to the environment. Varying species rely on that environmental niche. Do you mean that there are excessive amounts or what you would consider harmful amounts of dead trees? I realize that your bias is going to be towards fire safety, but could you describe an example so people have a better idea about the problem you see?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 10 днів тому
​@@amarketing8749 I can not speak to "professional smoke jumpers" and what they experience but have fought my share of forest fires over the years and doing controlled burning in the south. Could we just leave the forest alone and not "manage" them at all? Sure we could. We could also witness massive...and natural...million acres plus forest fires let to burn naturally which historically did and would take place again if there was zero management...Forest fires are natural, but there can be a symbiosis between human needs and those of a natural forest if good, sustainable, and holistic forest management plans are employed. When (not if) a fire takes place it should be planned and managed whenever possible, not allowed to run wild, as the recoveries from this take much longer than any "human clear cut."
@amarketing8749
@amarketing8749 10 днів тому
@@JayCWhiteCloud Thank you for your reply. I never said that forests should not be managed. In fact Native Americans / Indigenous People have been managing these ecosystems including with burning long before the Forest Service existed. They actually were managing the forests better than is currently done. Unfortunately, the way we log can still have negative effects. Although I hear it is getting better and clear cutting is seen less. But I have also seen cut blocks, that appear to be clear cutting on a smaller scale. The logging companies replant the area, so that is an improvement.... but I have heard environmentalists call it green washing. It really is a complex problem. I'm just glad that people are pushing for improving the sustainability of forestry, needed controlled burning included.
@KushPatel
@KushPatel 15 днів тому
I live in the building in Milwaukee. Love it. The wood adds so much warmth and character to our unit
@shinbi6009
@shinbi6009 14 днів тому
bro is giving Oceangate CEO vibes.
@KushPatel
@KushPatel 14 днів тому
@@shinbi6009 hahaha
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
Love that architecture...!!!...Your lucky!!!
@michael-michaelmotorcycle
@michael-michaelmotorcycle 11 днів тому
But it’s in Milwaukee, Milwaukee is a dump.
@KetaVancouver
@KetaVancouver 15 днів тому
Those are not clearcuts, those are cut blocks. Timber is 100% renewable and sustainable, while steel is not and concrete is INCREDIBLY water-intensive. Its not about "how high" can a mass timber structure go, its about the elimination of need for structural supports at regular intervals (like the steel in a concrete building) because the CLT wood itself has structural properties. So building with mass timber allows for more open space, flexibility with the layout. Thats why it is used for community centres, museums, and such, this airport in Portland etc.
@GardenOfEdenYT
@GardenOfEdenYT 14 днів тому
Concrete guy here. Yes concrete uses water but it dries out. Granted it takes a while but that water does make it back into the water cycle. Also old concrete gets recycled. So it gets used for gravel drives or for whatever. Same goes for asphalt. Which is one of the most recycled materials in the world.
@glennjames7107
@glennjames7107 12 днів тому
And steel is one of the most recycled, if not "the" most recycled materials in the world. The maintenance of a wood structure this large is ridiculous and will only be performed for, at best, a few decades before they structure falls into disrepair. Then the city can build another new building. Where if it were built from more conventional materials it would last many decades with very little maintenance, in comparison.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf 12 днів тому
It's not just water, concrete is also carbon intensive because of how cement is made
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
@@GardenOfEdenYT It is not technically debatable...it is factual science...OPC materials have a HUGE carbon footprint in their current state of manufacture and real-life application. New concretes are 100% carbon neutral but about 5 years out from being retally available. I'm a "timber guy" so we both have our bias for sure, however when you compare the two, honestly, side by side, wood smashes concrete in most (not all!!!) applications...
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
@@glennjames7107 You're speaking about timber architecture like you actually know and understand the "maintenance of wood structures" as compared to industrial steels and OPC concretes...???...Wood does not...AT ALL...have a "ridiculous maintenance schedule of any kind...and I should know...I've been taking care of them for over 50 years now...with the oldest being in excess of 1900 years of age...and the average bing 150 to 600 years old depending on the country...The "conventional materials" of which you speak are "earth, stone, and timber" even today if you wish to speak to the most durable, cost-effective, and tectonically stable...
@lazurusknight2724
@lazurusknight2724 16 днів тому
There are no other building materials that are as carbon negative as timber. The fact that we lack an industry willing to harvest in a sustainable manner is a separate issue that must be solved, but what problem does CLT end? Concrete. It ends dependence on all-concrete and steel structures, which are incredibly carbon intensive. There are simply no better alternatives for being carbon-negative, and the idea that we need to iron out the timber industries' notably lax adherence to regulation, as well as tightening and revising current regulations, shouldn't be a show-stopper, but an obvious first step.
@bymodd
@bymodd 16 днів тому
👏👏👏👏
@joshuagreen5820
@joshuagreen5820 16 днів тому
My dad's a logger in East Texas. The only clear cutting he does was for subdivisions. Only reason anything gets clear cut is for development. Seems obvious like growing corn. You're not going to harvest and burn it just for fun. You're either replanting or building out a town that's growing out larger and larger. Most trees that are cut are replanted. There are more trees today in middle America then there was 70 years ago. I wish Texas could grow redwoods that's really amazing lumber!
@willywonka7831
@willywonka7831 16 днів тому
Yeah the diesel loggers that cut down the trees are very carbon negative 😂
@djhero0071
@djhero0071 16 днів тому
@lazurusknight2724 What about building using bamboo?
@cdc3
@cdc3 16 днів тому
What's so important about building materials being carbon negative? Earth's aerosol carbon is at less than a third of what it was when lush forests covered it. You want "green"? Then we need MORE carbon, not less.
@keeganschock3534
@keeganschock3534 11 днів тому
Architecture student here! I’m wrapping up my 4th year now, took a class entirely dedicated to mass timber and have used mass timber on almost half of my school projects. This comment section is fantastic, I love that this isn’t being politicized and that you all have done your homework. The class I took allowed me to see this stuff through every phase of its production. We visited a sustainable forest (where the workers are passionate and competent about ecological conservation), a sawmill where the dimensional lumber is cut and dried, and a mass timber production plant, and finally multiple mass timber buildings that are either completed or under construction on my campus (University of Arkansas). This stuff is really only at its infancy, the next new decades will take it to incredible places. I was surprised that the video didn’t touch on carbon sequestration much; essentially, mass timber buildings are giant carbon storage vessels. As long as the wood is being used, the carbon it stores is withheld from release back into the atmosphere. This is incredibly effective in mitigating the emissions that construction causes. They also didn’t talk about how engineered mass timber really is, it’s kind of insane. Each piece is scanned at the plant and 2x’s are connected long ways by finger joints, glued together. The length of each piece of lumber is analyzed to create the strongest glulam beam or clt slab possible, and tests are routinely ran to ensure strength. Moisture is also heavily considered, and lumber with similar MC (moisture content) is paired together to account for compression and expansion. I’ll stop my rambling now, but mass timber is really a fantastic building material that I’m excited to see further integrated into our built environment.
@sarahhaley7458
@sarahhaley7458 10 днів тому
Have you or your professors ever tested the effects on the White River?..or the groundwater reservoirs...it’s had quite an effect on the local wildlife! There are yippies riding around in spandex everywhere!...and they own an entire university in Fayetteville where they also teach that Tyson is best thing that ever happened to agriculture 🥺🤯😳
@katahdincloud9803
@katahdincloud9803 10 днів тому
Congrats on that education. Well presented.
@ed1pk
@ed1pk 9 днів тому
How safe are the glues and chemicals that are used to treat the wood?
@cardboardboxification
@cardboardboxification 9 днів тому
wood is bigger then you think, paper industry is HUGE, it's ok trees are just a crop like carrots, just takes 20 years to harvest all the oil used creates CO2 plant food for the next round of trees to harvest
@sarahhaley7458
@sarahhaley7458 8 днів тому
Except that trees are not carrots, and oil doesn’t produce CO2, but Georgia Pacific is a one of many evil giants on their way out alongside the other Dinos- If it’s so renewable, why do they do this to existing forests? Why Oregon? Why are the Waltons funding this kids architecture program in Arkansas near a national forest and the first national River? Why don’t they just go along to Kansas or Spain and start growing their own new, forests? Why do they want to buy my trees and my land and everything else they can grab? Go grow carrots 🥕
@Dean-pc1ok
@Dean-pc1ok 16 днів тому
Hope its not like the wood i bought from home depot. Straight today, curly fry tomorrow.
@sammyismuff
@sammyismuff 16 днів тому
How do you know it’s curly fry tomorrow if tomorrow is in the future? 😱 Time traveler confirmed?!
@blaydCA
@blaydCA 16 днів тому
You get a whole day before it warps?? Lucky you!
@wheelmanstan
@wheelmanstan 16 днів тому
4x4's for sure
@Fenthule
@Fenthule 15 днів тому
it's a totally engineered kind of wood. there's several major players, but LVL or Laminated Veneer Lumber, CLT or Cross Laminated Lumber are the big guys for mass timber buildings. They're basically sheets of wood glued together in different ways and under VERY high pressure. These support beams are actually stronger than steel and concrete in many ways, as the cellulose that holds wood together is one of natures STRONGEST bonds. By crisscrossing the grains 90 degrees each sheet then sandwiching it together with the glue, the end result is a pillar with INCREDIBLE strength while simultaneously being lighter than steel and concrete AND acts like a carbon sink rather than releasing carbon when being made.
@blaydCA
@blaydCA 15 днів тому
@@Fenthule Green washed with love using only the finest chemicals from Dow and ExxonMobil to "save our planet".
@Ubergamer256
@Ubergamer256 12 днів тому
Calling those areas clear cuts is such dishonest propaganda, not to mention the selective avoidance of discussing carbon sequestration. Having spent a good portion of my life in them, the PNW forests are incredibly well maintained and have been managed effectively for decades now. It’s much harder to do the Nordic type selective cutting in the PNW due to the tree sizes and slopes.
@burtvincent1278
@burtvincent1278 10 днів тому
Truth be damned. Today's news media mission is to promote confusion, hatred and discontent.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 9 днів тому
Your last sentence is total nonsense. Have you ever been to Norway or Sweden or the Canadian mountains? Exactly the same as the PNW. Its the cost that prohibits selective cutting.
@Ubergamer256
@Ubergamer256 9 днів тому
@@thecocktailian2091 I was in Norway and Sweden 10 months ago. Wife is Canadian. So yes and yes. Stavanger is incredible.
@ColoradoStarlink
@ColoradoStarlink 16 днів тому
Trees are the most renewable resource on the planet. Traps carbon and they grow back.
@zeroshepard9513
@zeroshepard9513 13 днів тому
They take 20 years to grow back. This tremendous wind coming off the gulf is supposed to stop in the forested mountains. Now it circles everywhere and knocks our semi trucks down.
@ColoradoStarlink
@ColoradoStarlink 13 днів тому
@@zeroshepard9513 Most logged trees are from the same gigantic areas that cycles where they cut and grow.
@zeroshepard9513
@zeroshepard9513 13 днів тому
@@ColoradoStarlink And they are clearcut to the point that the forest no longer stops the wind. Ive seen these areas. Theyre unsustainably huge.
@michaeldowson6988
@michaeldowson6988 13 днів тому
They absorb a good deal of carbon while growing, but once they reach their mature size, they don't absorb quite so much.
@dylanmccallister1888
@dylanmccallister1888 13 днів тому
@@zeroshepard9513 you dont know what you are talking about. I grew up here in the PNW my grandfather is a logger. There are no wind problems here. We clear cut in 20-40 acre plots and replant in cycles. You just cant accept that there is a way to sustainably grow trees and your have some kind of defiance disorder so you started lying to win lol e
@butchcassidy3373
@butchcassidy3373 13 днів тому
I'm a logger. Trees are farmed these days and managed very well. We should use more of the tree. We leave all kinds of materials in the woods as a by product. We could easily grind the scraps and make pellets to use in the coal fired electrical plants. We need more forward thinking people running our country and less of the rich cronies who only care about themselves and their friends. Lining pockets at the expense of natural resources and the American public.
@cdc3
@cdc3 16 днів тому
Wood: lighter than concrete or steel, stronger than steel when dried properly, cheaper to produce than either if farmed correctly and more resistant to collapse than steel in a fire for a longer time period, oddly enough. Once steel hits around 500 F it begins to lose all strength and bends, causing structural integrity to fail. Wood chars on the outside, but takes longer to burn to the point of failure, the charring actually acting as an insulator until it burns off. Besides, wood doesn't melt...
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 12 днів тому
I’m an architectural student and I had a hard time believing that would was better for the environment, but after trying my best to disprove it I wound up accidentally proving that they were right. I think so much of it is that we have to look at it not just from seedling to finish product but the entire cycle of when we demolition these buildings, concrete and steel buildings are relatively useless after their demolition the concrete can’t be reused it just becomes more that has to be dealt with and steel is difficult to reclaim. Meanwhile is a recyclable product. We can use it as biomass we can turn it into paper we can do all number of things with the cellulose after it serves its purpose as a structure. Also the fact that we cut down the forest but we replant it, we keep the carbon cycle going of using trapped carbon from the atmosphere which is what wood is it is a byproduct of the tree stripping CO2 from the air and then we’re going to lock that away in a structure and replant the forest to continue the cycle. I can’t put enough emphasis on how much I did not want to believe that this was the right thing to do but when you compare it to mining iron ore all the processing the smelting the transportation and then we’re not gonna get into the concrete and how much energy it takes to create and transport concrete. Unbelievably the greatest thing to do is to use trees and replant. And on a very personal note, I would rather make structures using the beauty of wood than the cold despotic aesthetic of concrete. And if I am going to use concrete, I would rather use it as a reinforcement for reinforced rammed earth which beautifully complements wood. I’m going to add one concern i have and that’s bio diversity of the species of wood we are cutting. I am very concerned about becoming a mono culture where we find a tree that produces the most amount of straight timber and we only plant that it would make a forest extremely susceptible to fungus and insects and all mater if parasites. I think it’s very important that if this is the future that we make sure it’s a genetically sustainable future.
@butchcassidy3373
@butchcassidy3373 11 днів тому
You are correct about the diversity of planted forest. I work in the timber industry and we are only replacing a few species. The local eco system suffers as a whole. Some of the species they replant are sterile and cannot reproduce. I think we should have to replant hardwood as well as the pine that the industry thrives on
@Jeevanm71
@Jeevanm71 11 днів тому
Wouldn’t the lead time to grow more trees cause issues when we deforest at mass scales?
@kalbcorp
@kalbcorp 9 днів тому
I disagree that concrete and steel buildings are not recyclable. We have been recycling concrete and asphalt for years and years into structured fill to be placed back into the ground .. Steel is easily separated from concrete demo and sent for recycling ... Did I misread ?
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 7 днів тому
@@Jeevanm71 That’s not my area of expertise, however we should be getting on planting forests now. We clear cut our way across this country and ya e a lot of time to make up.
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 7 днів тому
@@kalbcorp It can be recycled, concrete become back fill and steel can kinda be removed however it’s contaminated and it takes a lot to salvage and prepare steel for recycling. We will still need steel and concrete however far less of it.
@TheMonkdad
@TheMonkdad 13 днів тому
I’m a long time woodworker but when they talked about fire safety I immediately remembered Notre Dame Cathedral in 2019.
@HabeasJ
@HabeasJ 13 днів тому
2:52
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
It's not really an accurate comparison if you dig into the details of it...Mass timber, be it traditional or modern, is still more fire resistant than concrete and steel by comparison, and the tests and fires in them have proven that over time...Concretes rely on steel for strength and still lose all structural integrity at 350° to 450°F...Timber is well above 1000°F and has to get well past the charr layer it forms...There are plenty of cases where old stone and timber 2 and 3-story buildings have steel and concrete four and more stories added only to have them burn down and the building rebuilt on the stone and timber (see repurposed mills)
@jimbaranski4687
@jimbaranski4687 12 днів тому
Isn’t Notre Dame mostly stone?
@bubblesculptor
@bubblesculptor 12 днів тому
I don't understand how they say wood is more fire resistant than concrete. I've seen woodfires happen in homes, businesses, workshops, jobsites, forests, etc. Literally everywhere wood can be found it's a fire risk. I've never seen concrete start a fire. I definitely feel wood is much more beautiful!
@JamesZeroSix
@JamesZeroSix 12 днів тому
@@bubblesculptor Wood beams can be made fireproof by treating them with fire-retardant chemicals, which creates a chemical barrier that slows the spread of flames. The chemicals are integrated deep into the wood, not just on the surface, to provide long-lasting protection
@elijahrodgers416
@elijahrodgers416 13 днів тому
I live in the heart of forest plantations. The trees that are here were planted by the loggers and forest managers themselves. It is farming. They clear cut to plant another crop of trees. Yes it doesn’t look good right after it is harvested but in a few years it is a beautiful new forest. It is amazing how fast these pine trees grow. This is not “green washing” or deforestation. What takes our forests and country life away is city growth.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf 12 днів тому
I would split hairs here - cities with high population density require much less land than the suburbs. If we want to conserve nature we should be trying to increase housing density and by changing zoning rules to stop the spread of single family homes on an acre of land.
@bruhice6058
@bruhice6058 12 днів тому
@@methos-ey9nfare your priorities making people live like rats or advancing the wellbeing of people?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
@@bruhice6058 If cities are planned properly you do not have to live like a "rat." I personally have only ever lived mostly in the country, but urban sprawl and everyone living in track homes in suburbs is not sustainable at all. If people continue to multiply..." like rats"...then cities (well-planned ones) are going to be a fact of life. Made of stone and timber would be beautiful...but I have my biases...as I like old European and Asian cities...
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf 12 днів тому
@@bruhice6058 that’s a false dichotomy. Think about all the people that go on vacation to cities because of all they offer. Then think about the social isolation and cost associated with the suburbs.
@unconventionalideas5683
@unconventionalideas5683 12 днів тому
@@bruhice6058People like housing density, which btw can be achieved with narrower streets, not just massive high rise buildings.
@LionEagleOx
@LionEagleOx 13 днів тому
Those softwoods from clear cutting, will be replaced within 20 to 30 years to cut again, if that. It's one of the reasons conifers are used in a lot of construction. They grow fast, have good strength, excellent flexibility, and are a lot easy to cut and mill, as well as lighter to transport, than hardwood. Hardwood on the other hand, is great for high use wear, such as desk, tables, counters, floors, and more. Both have their pros and cons, but to sensationalize clear cutting trees that grow extremely fast, is not the same as clear cutting hundred to thousand year old tress in a hardwood forest, that do not regrow in 20 years. If anything, cutting, regrowing, cutting, regrowing softwoods is a form of carbon capture.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 9 днів тому
20 to 30 years is the acceptable industry metric.
@NahumOchoa1
@NahumOchoa1 11 днів тому
I watched the building in Seattle being built. It was honestly amazing how quickly that building went up. It took about a week for the floors to be installed. I’ve never seen a multi story building go up so quickly.
@bryanpetersen1334
@bryanpetersen1334 10 днів тому
Anyone who spends time in the woods knows that we need to cut more timber today. Having cut areas in the forest makes a wildlife magnet, full of life.
@ChainsawFPV
@ChainsawFPV 10 днів тому
That airport roof just looks like it was framed, but never finished......
@CIS101
@CIS101 15 днів тому
Heard of this before this video. My first exposure to this was years ago with the term "Engineered Wood". There's a very old ad showing an engineered floor joist system with an elephant standing on it. Anyone remember that ? Maybe it's about time for this. Steel is an amazing building material, but is there no way of getting an aesthetic look from it without sheet rock, and drop ceilings ?
@TraphouseTCG
@TraphouseTCG 12 днів тому
Noticed a building in Seattle near UW being build with timber recently. Pretty cool
@718EngrCo
@718EngrCo 9 днів тому
The Airport in Cebu Philippines is a beautiful example of a large timber building. It looks amazing.
@geoffoakland
@geoffoakland 10 днів тому
There is an 18 story almost 300 foot all wood building in Norway that was finished 2019. It was the tallest all wood building until the Ascent building in Milwaukee was completed in 2022.
@brianfryer819
@brianfryer819 15 днів тому
The piece didn't adress the other "green" aspect of mass timber and that is the carbon sequestered in the wood. Trees take remove carbon dioxide and use it to build mass. By using the timber you're holding onto that sequestred carbon and allowing new trees to grow and take in even more. The building is going to remove that carbon from the cycle for hopefully 60 or 70 years.
@thecurrentmoment
@thecurrentmoment 12 днів тому
At the end of the life cycle, if they can either re-use it or turn the wood into biochar then they can sequester the carbon permanently
@pukaseek
@pukaseek 12 днів тому
A tree has to be alive to do it’s job of recycling CO2. A dead processed tree cannot.
@kryptonik1522
@kryptonik1522 11 днів тому
I've been designing commercial architectural millwork for 25 years, glulams have been used for a long time but mostly for high end leed projects, they are not cheap.
@17forever64
@17forever64 15 днів тому
Ha ha, only out West would they use renewables to build and someone says it’s bad for the environment. Plant the trees again and they will grow back. We have been doing this in the South for decades. Our National Forest is a resource that gets used and replanted.
@Waitwhat469
@Waitwhat469 13 днів тому
It's why the responsible forestry bit was so important. If they clear-cut a forest bad enough, it could prevent real growth for a while (while the area recovers).
@gregvisioninfosoft
@gregvisioninfosoft 13 днів тому
what is the exterior finish that is used for exposed wood in the elements? or is it the same resin formulation that is used when the wood is pressure treated in its earlier engineering process?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
Traditionally an oil varnish...with these huge structures they are clad in glass and sheet materials that keep the elements away from the primary superstructure supporting the architecture...
@gregvisioninfosoft
@gregvisioninfosoft 12 днів тому
@@JayCWhiteCloud thanks
@BlueprintScience
@BlueprintScience 16 днів тому
Largest mass timber building is in Milwaukee
@leroi_of9945
@leroi_of9945 15 днів тому
I live in Milwaukee I didn't know that. Very cool.
@signmeupruss
@signmeupruss 15 днів тому
In Marquette, Michigan on the campus of Northern Michigan University: Superior Dome The Superior Dome has been home to the Wildcat football team since its construction in 1991 and is now also home to the Wildcat soccer team and the Wildcat track teams. The Dome stands 14 stories high and encompasses 5.1 acres under its roof. Constructed of 781 Douglas Fir beams and 108.5 miles of fir decking, the Dome has a permanent seating capacity of 8,000, although the building can hold as many as 16,000 people.
@rickyl7358
@rickyl7358 12 днів тому
You know what's more fire resistant than wood..... steel
@tinay9491
@tinay9491 8 днів тому
as long as old growth trees remain protected, +areas really replanted, more will support this.
@mattwales2734
@mattwales2734 16 днів тому
Are they bringing in the cool carpet from the old airport terminal?
@MattBlaskowski
@MattBlaskowski 15 днів тому
Yes. They had someone recreate the old carpet. Looks cool against the wood.
@x-men69-96
@x-men69-96 16 днів тому
How many trees have they cut?
@Alwayslifted
@Alwayslifted 16 днів тому
They don't care, all they care about is more $$$$ the USA is the greediest country on earth nothing get in the way of greed here including human life
@seeharvester
@seeharvester 16 днів тому
All of them.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Less than they have grown, by law.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
⁠@@seeharvestercome and visit … you’re self righteousness doesn’t make you right.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Google: “Oregon Forest Practices Act” and the Oregon Department of Forestry … every tree harvested in Oregon is harvested under permit of a super-majority Democratic administration that has been in place for 30 years.
@bobpenny8011
@bobpenny8011 12 днів тому
They did not talk about the carbon sequestration aspect of mass timber construction. Concrete and steel production emits carbon into the atmosphere in the production of the materials. Timber (trees) absorbs carbon from the environment and mass timber construction locks that carbon inside buildings. However, environmental ecosystem fragmentation cannot be ignored. Habitat reduction is already critical and more emphasis on logging is just going to make that situation worse. Bottom line - there are too many people and we need too many buildings and the buildings we want are too big. We've got to live lighter in the planet. So... build a yurt!
@markjaycox7524
@markjaycox7524 15 днів тому
Beautiful!
@mk1st
@mk1st 14 днів тому
Why no comparison to the carbon intensity of producing steel and concrete?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
Boring data...but it is out there if you wish to find it and read it...I have...Wood smashes OPC and steel by a large margin...
@quaidcarlobulloch9300
@quaidcarlobulloch9300 13 днів тому
That’s beautiful.
@davidhaynes3126
@davidhaynes3126 12 днів тому
Our company owns a 6 story stone building built in 1910 sitting on pine tree piles sunk deep into what was essentially a beach. Mass timber is completely viable
@danielcarroll3358
@danielcarroll3358 12 днів тому
Sounds similar to the former Montgomery Block in San Francisco. But that was brick on pilings sunk into a filled in cove. It was stable until it got torn down for a high rise.
@davidhaynes3126
@davidhaynes3126 12 днів тому
@@danielcarroll3358 wasn’t a heritage site, I’m guessing ? The building we own was built by the Port Authority in 1910. Original Water Front Head Office. A developer is adding a skyscraper condo in the parking lot, but the original building will not be torn down, rather incorporated into a new structure. Which’s kinda neat. Thanks Daniel 🇨🇦
@danielcarroll3358
@danielcarroll3358 12 днів тому
@@davidhaynes3126 The building was a registered California historic site. But is now the location of the Transamerica Pyramid. Check out "Montgomery Block" on Wikipedia. In 1853 at four stories it was the tallest building west of the Mississippi!
@bg-se7rq
@bg-se7rq 16 днів тому
What company leads the way in responsibly harvesting the wood for these projects?
@Alwayslifted
@Alwayslifted 16 днів тому
nobody, this is America! money is the only thing that matters here. its worshipped here like god.
@nomencalatus1
@nomencalatus1 13 днів тому
@@Alwayslifted because the government keeps printing it by the trillions to keep the fake economy moving so your dollars are worth less every day, soon to be worthless.
@James_Fitz
@James_Fitz 12 днів тому
Port Blakely
@MrDhalli6500
@MrDhalli6500 10 днів тому
Could you imagine a major city built like this, awesome
@tempest411
@tempest411 10 днів тому
I don't see this aging well. What kind of chemicals are they using in the adhesives and to provide fire resistance? We may find that just because it's 'wood' doesn't mean those chemicals turn it into a toxic mess long term. Meanwhile concrete and steel are pretty benign in that regard.
@PoppabearsCave
@PoppabearsCave 10 днів тому
roof looks amazing. I don't want to dust it.
@alecb3332
@alecb3332 13 днів тому
I'm concerned that this will drive up the price of wood for residential projects.
@yota4004
@yota4004 11 днів тому
2 billion dollars for an airport..2 billion dollars.
@johnvogler5335
@johnvogler5335 16 днів тому
No wonder prices for lumber have gone through the roof!
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Lumber was more expensive in actual dollar in 2004 than in 2024 (softwood), on the shelf, NOT adjusted for inflation. I saw lumber in Oregon. The bubble was 12 months, then within 12 months, the price fell below the highs of 2004. Google a chart, the data is clear.
@LyricsQuest
@LyricsQuest 15 днів тому
Lumber prices appears to be tracking oil. $2/stick back in 2018, average oil price=$50, $3.25 in 2024, average oil price = $80. The relationship between lumber prices with fuel cost, is in the harvesting equipment (Saws), and all the transportation from the forest to the mill, then to the distributors. Might be expensive.
@KetaVancouver
@KetaVancouver 15 днів тому
They did go way up but that was a couple of years ago, they are back down now to more "normal", since mid-2023.
@HobbyOrganist
@HobbyOrganist 10 днів тому
My workplace burned to the ground 3 years ago, all 4 buildings-all made of wood, now rebuilding with concrete floors and steel structure, the architect priced the 6000 sq feet of wood flooring like we had- maple, and it was way too expensive no matter what he tried.
@xIgnisEques
@xIgnisEques 14 днів тому
Seeing stuff like this makes me hopeful and excited for the future.
@GreenSneakersAndHam1
@GreenSneakersAndHam1 16 днів тому
The price of wood today is outrageous since covid. Pure GREED
@daytonshuflita2201
@daytonshuflita2201 16 днів тому
So is everything else
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Lumber is cheaper today than in 2004. I know, I saw and sell it, then and now. The bubble was 12 months. Look up a chart of CME lumber futures, or just google “historical price of lumber” - the data is there.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Five mills have closed in Oregon since the beginning of 2024, most in rural areas. Portland-metro is essential 3 of the 4 million people in Oregon.
@capps2015
@capps2015 15 днів тому
It's back down to $2-5 a 2x4. Same as before 2020. I refloored a 16ft trailer for $400 in material in 21 it'd cost me 260 to do it now.
@GreenSneakersAndHam1
@GreenSneakersAndHam1 15 днів тому
@@capps2015 2by4's aren't considered wood products. What about the cost of all other wood products like plywood and all the other board sizes involved in building a house?
@mfpears
@mfpears 12 днів тому
As long as the building stands, that's carbon removed from the atmosphere. Grow more and capture more carbon.
@jframe88
@jframe88 14 днів тому
Trees are made of carbon. You can sustainably harvest them. We've been doing it for a long time. I believe at this point we should never cut down old growth forest. Steel isn't too bad for carbon footprint (depending on where the steel is being produced) but cement production produces a significant amount of CO2. For buildings of a certain height (midrise), mass timber is likely the most carbon friendly structural building material.
@aGj2fiebP3ekso7wQpnd1Lhd
@aGj2fiebP3ekso7wQpnd1Lhd 13 днів тому
Clearcutting is actually good as long as it's replanted. Trees convert co2 to wood where it's sequestered forever when used as lumber.
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 16 днів тому
As an Oregonian, I feel like I've seen this story before.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Google: “Oregon Forest Practices Act” and the Oregon Department of Forestry … every tree, privately or publicly owned, harvested in Oregon is harvested under permit of a super-majority Democratic administration that has been in place for 30 years. The only trees harvested otherwise are from US Forest Service (USDA) timber, under their rules, where Federal regulations supersede state regulation.
@marklong8608
@marklong8608 16 днів тому
Ever see a wheat or corn field after the crop has been harvested? Why is that clear cutting and then replanting ok?
@Waitwhat469
@Waitwhat469 13 днів тому
They're is actually some serious research being down on no till famring and now pereneal grains to avoid some the more harmful effects of that. Another "popular" (ngos, homesteaders, and hippies like it at least) is food forests as an alternitive to monoculture industrial agriculutre (at least in part).
@Ryan-he2qz
@Ryan-he2qz 16 днів тому
Timber is the most innovative and natural infrastructure material. Better than steal yet it give aesthetics and natural feeling that mixes to the nature
@Guds777
@Guds777 10 днів тому
Glued laminated Bamboo is another option. The best thing about Bamboo is how fast it grows. "Bamboo is the fastest-growing plant on Earth, to the tune of growing about 35 inches (89 cm) per day or up to 1.5 inches (≈4 cm) per hour for the faster species". Then you could grow faster on a industrial scale then what you can use. The cool thing about laminated wood is it can sustain fire better and longer then steel. Steel will start to deform and bend after certain degree of heat while the wood produces protective layer of char...
@daccrowell4776
@daccrowell4776 16 днів тому
How, exactly, does the planner expect his airport to be a place where people are going to flock to "hang out"? That seems like a big reach; I can't see anyone paying expensive AF parking fees and dealing with the security measures to just kick it there, no matter how much wood gets used to nice the place up. And this doesn't even get to the cost of PDX's "hang suite". Even if you can't get back to the concourses without a boarding pass, the food and drinks in the main hall alone won't even leave you with money for the ride home. I get the distinct feeling that Mr. Project there probably has a TSA skip-the-line card and plenty of money for $20 cheeseburgers...and can't fathom why someone might NOT. So, SO very Portland.😐
@georgebush6002
@georgebush6002 15 днів тому
I agree and I think his vision is still justified by travel related waiting.
@944play
@944play 15 днів тому
One does not park at PDX. The MAX Red Line goes there.
@Ap_twsh
@Ap_twsh 14 днів тому
well its a beautiful architecture. the people that pay for their ticket to board a plane can at least enjoy their journey.
@StephenCoorlas
@StephenCoorlas 14 днів тому
Spot on. Ain't nobody hanging out at the airport - except people with delayed flights.
@944play
@944play 14 днів тому
@@StephenCoorlas I cannot be told that. An airport terminal is a prime location for people watching. Why do you think Doug Stanhope prefers airport bars? As for why not, observe the other comment I made to this video. It's SELF-INFLICTED.
@billschmitzer9159
@billschmitzer9159 15 днів тому
Interesting report.
@jacobtracy7847
@jacobtracy7847 16 днів тому
Clearly they don't have termites in Oregon.
@jamesjordan0007
@jamesjordan0007 15 днів тому
I wonder how you dust that ceiling....
@bobmartin6055
@bobmartin6055 16 днів тому
Having our public forests burn down because they are so overgrown isn’t so green; sustainable harvesting practices and replanting is possible.
@mongoloid3015
@mongoloid3015 9 днів тому
Does it fall apart when it gets wet like OSB ?
@lummoxx8586
@lummoxx8586 8 днів тому
The ceiling is just a giant dust collector.
@majdan63
@majdan63 11 днів тому
This is my twin project at ZGF Architecture
@danielabbey7726
@danielabbey7726 10 днів тому
Kind of surprised that they didn't mention building skyscrapers out of bamboo. Even stronger than most woods, and very sustainable
@jamesmarcus612
@jamesmarcus612 16 днів тому
Very curious
@johnscaife2725
@johnscaife2725 9 днів тому
Huge wooden hanger was built during the WWII era was destroyer by fire just a few years ago . They stood by and watched saying it was too dangerous to do anything.
@e621_
@e621_ 15 днів тому
cbs gotta do something about that interlacing
@billbest9483
@billbest9483 13 днів тому
What's his cut ✂️ on a 2B project? I wonder?
@toujours_regarde
@toujours_regarde 12 днів тому
5:08 - Who is the source of him saying we produce more than consuming? He's not wrong because the paper market has decreased significantly and there have been an influx of conservation workers. I'm just looking for his source.
@JohnLee-db9zt
@JohnLee-db9zt 15 днів тому
I get big wood watching this. 😂
@riskyb250
@riskyb250 12 днів тому
Wood is a renewable natural resource. Like anything else it can be managed. For resources in general there are outdated practices for harvest/mining but as long as we demand modern methods that are better for the environment we will be fine. It's really just a matter of making sure the cost of externalities are passed along to companies and ultimately consumers vs. loose regulations that make the cost of harvesting/mining public rather than private.
@sauceokay
@sauceokay 11 днів тому
Price.
@jmenter1
@jmenter1 13 днів тому
Wood...is more fire resistant than steel. That was actually said in this video. I dont know if that is delusion or fraud.
@frictionhitch
@frictionhitch 11 днів тому
As an Arborist I can unequivocally say that that forest was already unhealthy and that clear cutting is also unhealthy. Forests are not supposed to be full of middle aged trees and certainly not empty. There is a middle way. The Navajo Nation Forest is a great example of a properly managed forest. Surprise! Go interview their Forester
@xsnjkwfeny-wr9qr
@xsnjkwfeny-wr9qr 16 днів тому
Likely more trees are lost due to out of control wildfires each year. Better management and harvesting could be possible in theory
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Those who oppose the use of wood products need to decide if they prefer climate change, homelessness, or both. The fires and blights are natural, the presence of humans is not. Without sustainable harvest, enjoy the fires; without the wood products, enjoy mining the stuff our dwellings are constructed of. If we’re going to house over 8 billion people (instead of the 2 billion we had in 1920), we’ll have to use some stuff that is grown and harvested. By the way, all alone, forests are carbon neutral and that precious old growth is off-gassing CO2, and there are people where the young, carbon-eating trees used to grow (even environmentalist people).
@petercarlsen3462
@petercarlsen3462 11 днів тому
It would be awesome to see Japanese/craftsman architectural elements be applied to these structures. Concrete is not sustainable. The shortages and pricing in our area keep getting worse. Many don’t know, but steel looses a majority of its strength at only 400 degrees and mass timber often requires less fireproofing measures.
@user-sz9ik3tv5d
@user-sz9ik3tv5d 10 днів тому
NOW BUILD THE HOMELESS SHELTERS
@scottholtby-ut3vy
@scottholtby-ut3vy 15 днів тому
Future of building
@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo 14 днів тому
Some other critical issues need to be mentioned.... Wood sequesters carbon, while concrete production is one of the biggest CO2 offenders on the planet. Concrete requires mining of the ingredients, which obviously has permanent impact on local ecologies, unlike cutting trees which can be easily replaced. And when/if the building ever needs to be demolished, that wood can be used for many things while the concrete will be mostly useless rubble.
@Skoshman
@Skoshman 13 днів тому
A great thing to have mentioned is the bark beetle problem in the PNW, you can see it clearly from the sky. Bark beetles are killing large patches of trees mainly in Oregon and Washington, these dying patches become a hotspot for forest fires. Clear cutting around these areas could potentially cut off the food supply and put enough distance between healthy trees and the inevitable forest fire.
@bofkaycee1970
@bofkaycee1970 11 днів тому
The argument for using wood at that level is actually good resource management.
@ticklefritz5406
@ticklefritz5406 10 днів тому
I get a kick from Chris Evan's logging boots in the shop. Nice costume champ!
@captlee3732
@captlee3732 11 днів тому
Love it. Be ideal for all community
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 15 днів тому
Besides a little bit of bamboo, some straw bale and Cobb, timber is the only building product we grow. We mine, synthesize, or manufacture the rest …
@waskerbasket9601
@waskerbasket9601 10 днів тому
Why do people seem to go to extremes every time there is progress in anything? “oh wow. something new. we have to use it on everything” No we can incorporate it with other technologies to create hybrid systems that benefits everyone. Usually more than two sides to a story. Not just for, or against.
@aaronbazan702
@aaronbazan702 10 днів тому
How many projects of this nature can our forests withstand? 🥺
@boreduser1583
@boreduser1583 11 днів тому
Wood timber regrows within 50-100 years, steel & metals do not!
@patrickarmstrong8908
@patrickarmstrong8908 13 днів тому
"We produce more timber than we are consuming..." Then why is wood so much more expensive now?
@mikelouis9389
@mikelouis9389 13 днів тому
Because the CEO's can. It ain't Biden, it's corporate Chad.
@patrickarmstrong8908
@patrickarmstrong8908 13 днів тому
@@mikelouis9389 ??? No one is talking about Biden.
@zoso1123
@zoso1123 12 днів тому
Bidenomics
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 днів тому
In a word...GREED...!!!!
@andrewsackville-west1609
@andrewsackville-west1609 12 днів тому
It's market manipulation. Saw mill here just closed, not due to lack of business, but because the mill owner, a large corporation, saw an opportunity to boost profits by squeezing the lumber market a bit. They're large enough that they can move the market and tweak their profits independently from the true underlying supply and demand. It's gross, and now our town is bleeding due to lost jobs.
@bjkjoseph
@bjkjoseph 10 днів тому
We are definitely getting dumber, not only is it greenwashing you’ll be knocking down these buildings in 20 years
@LaMayimba90210
@LaMayimba90210 11 днів тому
These folks respect wood
@user-jk3ht5hn3m
@user-jk3ht5hn3m 11 днів тому
Nobody wanna talk about what lives in are ever diminishing, fire ravaged forests or have we just moved on from that?
@bmphil3400
@bmphil3400 10 днів тому
Timber gets difficult for tall projects. The compression strength of timber is much much less than concrete and the trnsile strength is less than steel. So reinforced concrete excels at really tall buildings.
@chefbrittan84
@chefbrittan84 11 днів тому
Did I hear that correct? “America is producing more wood than is consumed”. If so, why is it so damn expensive still?
@DubTheGreat
@DubTheGreat 10 днів тому
I can only imagine the contract just to do the ceiling,might’ve even had another contractor prep it all
@djplonghead5403
@djplonghead5403 13 днів тому
It never matters if they don’t replant trees
@CapitalismDeathSpiral
@CapitalismDeathSpiral 13 днів тому
For every tree that is 1 foot thick or more, that one who cut it down MUST grow 3 more saplings.
@ollierobin
@ollierobin 13 днів тому
Hey the government proved that steel burns too, and can suffer a nervous breakdown as happened to WTC 7.
@John-zh1ud
@John-zh1ud 14 днів тому
Great... the price of decks is insane.
@miller2675
@miller2675 12 днів тому
What a weird way to say that. A version of the future rooted in the past? Laminate timber, prefabricated components. . . Not the past.
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