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Invincible: A show about a kid being super fucking vincible.

The train jokes will never get old, just like the passengers

Actually having the guardians put up a fight and even nearly beat omni-man also helps validates the reason he does it. He killed them in order to weaken earth's defences, to prepare earth for the viltrumite invasion. They were the biggest threat, so he took them down. This doesn't work if he just has a flawless victory, because if he could easily take them all, how are they possibly a threat to an army of viltrums? It makes it less the explanation and more just a bad excuse to kill people.

Okay can we just talk about how fucking heart breaking that "I'll still have you, dad" line is? As someone who had an abusive father and tried so hard to find the love in his actions before his death, it hit me very, very hard. _Like how the train hit those people IM SO SORRY_

Honestly omniman getting hit by the space laser is sort of a microcosm of this entire point. They take the time to show you not just the immediate crater the weapon causes, but everything that was destroyed in just firing the thing. Acres of land are glassed, untold thousands if not millions of wildlife is vaporized. Birds rain from the sky in the aftermath, and all it does is give our villain a nosebleed.

The guardians were changed up to match their voice actors, who were chosen because... They were walking dead alumni. Which was a fun Easter egg.

When Cecil teleports into the Grayson’s home, and Nolan nearly chokes him to death, Cecil says something like ‘I wanted the front porch, but this thing isn’t 100% accurate.’ But it’s shown to be pretty freaking accurate the rest of the show, especially him talking it out with Nolan in Ep 8. My headcannon is that Cecil was testing Nolan, to see if he really was as violent and anger-prone as Cecil was theorizing. To see if he really was as benefiting as he claimed, or was as ruthless as his image was becoming

It's also nice that Darkblood actually plays a role in the show. He was kinda forgotten in the comics. He came back and said he made progress in the investigation _after_ Nolan had already been outed as the bad guy, and was swept aside by a joke from a random unnamed receptionist. In the show, he actually has a purpose in the story.

Dude I will forever love the foreshadowing in the scene where he says "Earth is not your world to conquer."

That “trains mark hard” joke was the one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard

The flash equivalent is the most haunting death, it comes just after him being with his partner and explaining how every single moment in his life is slowmo, so you can feel how he was slowly feeling everything, how desperate he was, how much he tried to avoid his death.

I think the biggest difference is the massive tone shift. Early invincible is a borderline superhero satire, and plays the majority of early stories for laughs with a dark undercurrent. Being a superhero is mundane to Marc and family becsuse they're so used to it. It isn't until later that the comic morphs into the more serious tone the show adopts outright

"Put him on the right Tracks" I'M DYING

I read the comic years ago but I remember some line where Cecil said that every time he teleports it costs the American Taxpayers $250,000 or something like that. And that's all I think of whenever I see him teleport in the show.

I remember when I watched invincible I was like “Oh these characters are funny and cool” Then they all died and I was just shocked and sat in silence when the episode ended

The comic gets exponentially better as it goes . Writing gets better and better , visuals get better and better

When a writer gets to rewrite his story...it will usually always be better in every aspect. Why adaptations should ALWAYS have the original writer involved.

“Finally some action” *gets head exploded by a mace 10 minutes later

I like how in the comics the teleporter costs so much to use and Cecil uses it so much saying he's addicted.

What I like is how "realistic" the characters in the show are, as well as in the comics. Everybody actually feels written like a person, with baggage and emotions.

The author began writing the comic many years ago, it makes sense that he would grow in skill and learn to sharpen his storytelling. Now being able to return to the beginning he has applied what he’s learned over the years in order to improve the story.

Cecil is honestly my favorite character, he consistently stays in a grey area while staying charismatic

One thing I really like about the Guardians murder in the show is the fact that no music was playing. There wasn't no epic or intense music, it was just sound effects of fighting and murders. It's really small but it did change up the scene dramatically. Also, season two, how much more blood must be shed for the title

I think the best part of the revised Guardians scene is that it makes Omni-Man's justification for killing them seem reasonable from his perspective. In the comics, he completely no diffs them, and then a bunch of chapters later it just goes "Oh yeah, if they knew beforehand they would've won lol." What was the point in even doing that if they didn't even stand a chance? Why would he do something that he should've known would out him to the world and Mark if they clearly weren't a threat to a Viltrumite in the first place? In the show, he actually gets pretty badly fucked up even by their sloppy and uncoordinated reaponse, so it makes sense that he takes the risk and kills them, because we visibly see that they are actually a threat to him. It's very easy to picture a scenario where _this_ iteration of the Guardians could kill him given the right preparation. The show's rewrite is significantly better than the comics for so many reasons, and this one fairly small detail that adds so much is emblematic of that.

Invincible is the first superhero show to make me feel venerable and human

Nolan: WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS!?!? Mark: Invincible Season 2 Dad

PSA: if you liked the show, read all of the comic, i did after finishing the show and its such a beautifully crafted story as it goes on, the first portion of the comic is definitely rushed but once you get past that it gets so good and so worth it. The ending of the comic felt so nice and satisfying but also sad because its the end of such an amazing story

The comic omni man might have felt more powerful when he killed the guardians of the globe, but the converse is that now it makes little to no sense why he’d kill them. He’s supposed to make sure there are no threats to the viltrumite take over, but the comics guardians of the globe do not feel like a thread to even a single viltrumite, let alone a whole take over operation.

Omniman to the comic: "WERE YOU RUSHING? OR WERE YOU DRAGGING?!" Comic: "rushing?" Ominman: "SO YOU DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!"

That “you dad. I’d still have you” line is for me, what separates invincible from other comics. The main characters almost dead and the villains right there and monologuing, but the hero can’t actually do anything. But then they say something and the villain stops. And just leaves. I haven’t read every comic ever, but I’ve rarely seen this happen, so. I don’t know.

In his interview with ComicTropes’ Chris, Kirkman explains that the higher ups at Image Comics basically told him his comic would be cancelled if he didn’t bump up Omni-man’s reveal. Great video essay!

It's so funny because this is really accurate but only for the first 12-14 issues. After that the comic slows down and allows The characters to breath. Not to mention the arcs that come out of it and the surprising writing they chose. I think for the most part the comic is more engaging after that and it is totally worth it

Kirkman was actually pushed to have Omni kill the guards on chapter 7, where he said he didn’t want to happen until 25

i feel like omni man going quiet when he found out that mark had powers was because he realised what that meant it was time to do. And I guess he's not completely cold hearted.

The reason I love this show so much is because Mark Grayson (invincible) isn't called that because he is physically but because his spirit and mainly, his humanity are. Nolan is not a human and doesn't sympathise with humans because they aren't of his own kind and he doesn't feel responsible for them, Mark has this overpowering feeling of responsibility while also having that "teen who wants to get it right" attitude, kind of like Peter Parker in that sense, but the fight between Marks Humanity and Nolans Lack of compassion is an underlying plot point I love to see unfold, because Nolan does love Mark and he does love Debbie but he is loyal to his own kind, as much as that pains him but because Mark is fully human and compassionate, it shows Omni-Mans inner conflict through actual tangible fights. Enough of me waffling with no structure to this comment, have a wonderful day everyone!

I gotta say, this was the same view I had when Mushoku Tensei came out. The difference between reading and watching is HUGE. It really feels like whoever worked on it thought about what they were doing and said "You know this is great stuff, but we have the rare opportunity to make improvements. Let's do it." Its awesome to see it actually work out.

I like how Mark's called Invincible for a simple reason, not because his body is actually invincible, cuz let's be real, it's more like a punching back, but because his spirit is, in a way, actually invincible. God that sounded corny... Still fits tho

Kirkman was very inexperienced when he started Invincible. You can see the great ideas but I doubt he knew Invincible would get time and pages to tell the story he wanted to tell. Hindsight and confidence helps the adaption.

While I like most of the story changes, there's one thing about them that bugs me. After he kills the Guardians of the Globe, Omni Man is unconscious for like 3-5 days, and you're telling me that Cecil, Mr. "Doesn't Trust Anyone and Follows Every Lead" NEVER thought to run forensic tests on the suit while Nolan was out? It makes zero sense for Cecil to overlook something like that.

Not me going back and pausing at 11:23 to look for ✨invisible✨ people. 🤣

Kirkman wanted the big Omniman twist to occur around issue 25 in his original breakdown of the story. Image convinced him to move it up. I wouldn’t say it was a failure of a self conscious writer so much as a publisher/editor begging a young and yet unproven writer of a month to month series to “get to the hook” before readership writes off a series as “just another generic superhero” book.

An underrated difference between the comic and the show is mark’s reaction to cecil offering him a partnership. It felt so off to me that mark mentally recovered so quickly, the kid just got beaten nearly to death by his genocidal dad and was just “cool i have a job now”. Him taking time to think about it and saying he’ll just finish highschool first, because he had no idea what to do next, felt much more organic and sensible for where his character is at that point in the story

Love your editing on this video! I haven't read the comics but it's so cool to see the show add so much!! I loved all that was added with the characters learning what Omniman did!

Comics had a big improvement later on, the writer has said multiple times that he wishes he could change the order of a few events early on so it runs smoother as he was just getting started with the series and hadn't got into it's rhythm yet so I definitely imagine that he is taking the show as an opportunity to correct what he didn't think was ideal in the comics

It's important to remember that one issue of a comic is much shorter than an episode of a tv show, and they release monthly. As it is the build up in the comics took almost a year to happen if you read along. If they had kept holding off on the reveal for dramatic effect, there would be a risk of readers getting bored with the story. Especially when it has to fight for shelf space with the heavy hitters at Marvel and DC.

The “This dude TRAINS Mark” joke was so fucking good, I had a very loud laugh

This video actually gave me a very interesting perspective on my own work that I never thought of. Thank you! Keep up the good work

The comics most certainly do improve as time goes on. I would definitely suggest reading the rest. I have only read the first 2 compendiums (which is like the first 96 issues) but it has been wild how good it's been so far. I do feel like the pacing in the beginning of the comics was off but it got better over time in my opinion.

"In episode one you're like wow this dude trains mark hard then in episode eight you're like wow this dude trains mark hard" -Best quote of all time

I think a good example of this concept would be Berserk and why you would feel the feels you'd have with Griffith. Without spending time building the relationships between Griffith, Guts and Casca, the whole story wouldn't really hit as hard. One could say that Berserk is too slowly paced but it's that pacing that makes the hard hitting moments not just hit, but hurt. And it hurts for a long time. RIP Miura, enjoy Idolmaster forever.

This is the first video the youtube algorithm has recommended me that I've actually been super happy to watch! It was a great video ❤️

Kirkman is super well known for, on a second retelling of the same story (the walking dead for example) changing things to be the way he would’ve rather told the story if he could start again. He learns from what he didn’t like, and helps it to fit closer around what he did like, it’s super cool and I have a lot of faith for season 2 and beyond

I'm so glad this "think Mark" meme has spread so much, as I probably never would have seen it.

Williams's sexuality was not changed for the show. It's revealed around issue 80 that he's been in the closet when Eve comes to the apartment he stays at with rick. 3:04

These are really good and well done jokes, both the subtle and the blatant. This is a point well articulated I was trying to explain to a friend. You’ve done it far better.

The first dozen or so issues of the comic were rushed because the comic was not doing very well, and they wanted to get to the main twist faster to retain new readers. After that (they have enough money to fund the rest of the issues) the comics slow way down, and build up to some really great plot points. I would really recommend reading past the season 1 source material. It gets sooooo much better.

"Guys there's like 18 bullets in the ceiling and nowhere else, are you gonna say it was fuckin' Spiderman?" Lmao. That killed me

Even saying that the Omniman in the comics feels more powerful when he kills the guardians should come with a caveat. It makes more sense for Omniman to be wiped out after killing the guardians because the entire reason he did it was to lower Earth's defenses. If Omniman could wipe them out easily, what's the point of even doing it? What are they going to do against even ten Omnimen?

a good video is one you can watch twice and not realize you've seen it before until they mention their own media. I did not realize I've seen this video before until you mentioned your own personal story. It's a great video!

"This man trains mark really hard" having two meanings? amazing

You need to remember the context of when the comic was coming out. The complaint wasn't actually that it was too fast, it was that it was too slow. Each issue was coming out once per month. The thing with comics, Kirkman talks about this more now, is that you want the hook early on (in this case Omniman is the bad guy). He originally wanted this reveal around issue #25. That is well over 2 years of set up for a hook. Image told him to get the hook down early because who knows if his comic would even be profitable enough. He did it and it worked and got more readers. Like 2 decades later, he understood this concept much better. That is why it was definitely his idea to have the hook be in the first episode. It worked again in the show format.

Yeah Kirkman has gone on record saying that the adaptations of his works, which he works on, are the modified and abridged versions of his works. Where he can change, rearrange, and re-do things he has come to dislike since he originally wrote them.

I mean Omniman is the kind of father that makes sure his son is on track

Can absolutely relate to that webcomic pacing issue! I've started redoing the stuff i've done so far to pace it out more. A full escape sequence starting off the comic is now ~15 pages as opposed to 4.

William actually is gay in the comics, it just only gets revealed a bit later on in the story

When I watched the first episode I was like: “Oh I thought it would be more violent but it’s ok I guess” then 40 minutes later “ WTF DID HE JUST SMASH FISHMAN’S HEAD”

What I like about the teleported device at the end is that it was kind of foreshadowed with the Titan bit. How does Invincible stop Machinehead? Well, if he can just teleport away, not very well. It’s faster than him, and getting instantly out of ranch nullifies most of Invincible’s power set. So when it shows up at the end to stall Omniman, we already know it’s a great counter to his powers.

The “put him on the right track” just gave me flashbacks

I like how the only person named Immortal in the show, is also the only person to die TWICE

IIRC the OG writer has gone on the record calling the show a "re do" on writing the beginning and it makes sense. Getting a do over from the start with all the skill you've grown over the years and better understanding of what you want to do with the story is basially why the first drafts of books never get published

"I'll still have you" just hits like a train.

Can we just take a moment to realize that the red rush killing scene was brutal

"Lookinga at you JK Rowling!" - Shows picture of Isayama. This joke is so niche, I can't help but respect the sheer ambition of delivering it.

12:44 holy shit, I watched the show myself and didn't even realize until now that Mark had a tear going down his face and that made me feel the heartbreak in this scene a whole lot more. God, I love this show

Love LOVE LOVVVEEEDDD this dissection and discussion! SO useful! Thank you :D

biggest upgrade from the comics to the show was omni mans hairline goddamn

Looking at your comic its good keep what you thought were mistakes its also growth a footnote of where you started as I writer you cheese sometimes

Yooo you came back content creation awesome just happen to find you since I just finished invincible

The show rides on taking future comic events and revealing them early. This includes the omni man fight as the more detailed fight that is in the show happens later in the comic as a flashback. Basically the pacing is much slower in the original and much faster in the show but the show benefits from showing things earlier. The true draw of the show will be more towards season 3 or 4

The twins are probably my favorite because of their hilarious personalities and Run The Jewels plays when they do badass stuff

"Put him on the right tracks" I-

Holy **** I haven’t seen a video of yours since Code Geass Vs Death Note. Glad you’re still kicking

Keep reading the Invincible comic, once Kirkman finds his groove, the story gets amazing

Fuck, that "you, dad" bit still chokes me up.

I just started the comics few days ago and was taking it slow, specially because of how rushed it feels so I HAD to search for a video to see if it made sense what I was feeling and this video 100% proves it, amazing video.

Great video , and the train jokes caught me off guard and got me busting out laughing

Mark calling himself Invincible in the beginning of his career was apropos as opposed to a personal challenge issued to everyone. I remember a time when Mark wouldn't let some dude be turned into a cyborg to save his failing relationship. My dude had a power unlike any other comic book character: Good time management skills. And then his dad happened...

also, to the point of having the fight and what it adds to the story: them being able to put up some fight against omniman gives us more context as to why he felt it was necessary to face them separately. it makes sense that he would see them as a potential annoyance to the conquering of the planet

Omni-Man is such nice dad, going through all that effort to train his son.

Honestly, I think a good way to help rushed pacing is to change how you think about plot progression. Instead of thinking about big moments versus little moments (essentially plot versus filler), treat everything as a big moment. From my personal experience, there aren't really many big moments versus little moments. There are big moments, and then there's the mundane. And mundane is the antithesis of engaging writing. Basically, try to treat the little moments in your story as big moments. Maybe you have a quiet moment between two characters who care about each other. That's not a little moment, that's a chance to demonstrate the depth of the relationship between those two characters. Basically, every moment can be important, and if you force yourself to find the importance in every moment, then getting to the big important moments, like the death of a character, or two characters falling in love and finally getting together, won't feel as urgent. You won't feel like you're wasting time because everything you add, no matter how small will serve a purpose. Just because some little detail doesn't have huge consequences doesn't mean it isn't important, it's just important in a different way. And of course, you don't have to include everything that comes to mind, but always stop to think: "What could I do with this?" And if you take the time to think through a plot or character detail and can honestly find no way to use it, then you don't. But if you can do something with it, no matter how small, then you should (unless the thing is bad, then obviously you shouldn't do it). Maybe it's a little character quirk like they wear glasses to read, or they pronounce a word strangely, or it's some little world detail like some slang term that could have a cool story behind it, it all adds interest to the world. Though keep in mind that you can easily go overboard with this mindset, and you do run the risk of adding too much or taking too long to get to the big moments, though I feel that taking to long is never as bad as going to fast, but you still need to practice balanced pacing to keep the audience engaged. Now of course, the final product will still have little moments and big moments, this is just an example of how you can change your mindset in order to write better. And of course, if you really want to write better, get a proofreader (preferably more than one) because nothing reveals flaws faster than a third party. Sorry for the long essay, and thank you for taking the time to read it. This is just a little trick I started using while writing and I think it helped me a lot.

he had to put the omni man reveal early because they were gonna cancel the comic. the reveal made it survive.

Me being someone who read all of the comic years before the show I was downright worried to start it. Not because I was worried they'd change it, but because I was worried they wouldn't. Yes, there are many parts of the comic that are amazing but so much of the space between those parts is a downright mess. The show revitalized my interest in the franchise and gave me hope that the great potential the story had on paper would be fully realized. Also, my god is "the consequence of a self-conscious writer" bit soooo perfect for the problems of the comic. Because if you noticed that early on as the series goes on that trait gets so much worse. Because if the thought of the writer being "I want to get to that cool moment NOW" is bad when applied to the plot, it's far worse when applied to character arcs. Where characters that have a ton of potential are rushed to get to those moments all for the worst for the story.

3:09 to be fair, Will DOES apparently come out much later in the comics. So it's not so much "changing" as it is "moving up the timeline" lol

This difference goes away, the comics pacing gets so insanely better as it goes on, I think the "season 1" arc is rough because kirkman was pushed to do the omni man reveal way sooner than he wanted to, because he feared the comic wouldnt even make it to issue 25, and that had the pacing get wacky for a bit. He found the groove though and its written like an incredible tv show after

A big thing I heard was that Kirkman wanted to wait for the Omniman reveal but the editors were like "You are just doing Superman and the DC universe; people are gonna get bored with a basic ripoff"

One of the big reasons there is such a difference in pacing is simply the release schedules of the mediums. From hook to finale, we had to wait 8 weeks to get an answer from Omni-Man about why he did it. It would be hard if not impossible to keep that same tension over 8 months in a comic format. When it's condensed in a hardcover collection, it's a lot like you're binging many seasons of a TV show over a long weekend.

Invincible has the greatest filler I've ever seen and the best part is they don't feel like filler atleast bad filler. It gives us enough time to get used to Omni being bad and gives us more time to care about mark, Debbie, and side characters

6:35 No. Too fast pacing means there are too many actions taking place with no context or not enough context and not enough room to "process" what just happened before jumping to next action. See - anime like Charlotte where first 6 or 7 episodes are paced rather slowly, but then it JUMPS AT BREAKNECK SPEED and last 3-4 episodes contain enough plot and developments for 2-3 separate seasons worth of show. Downtime is necessary not just in D&D, otherwise it's just non-stop noise. Like a Transformers movie.

The difference between the comic and the show is: The comic burned down a house it didn't build up. So always remember: "You can't burn down a house that doesn't exist".