where’s the link?

Whats the song name in this??

@@jetpost I know it's bleach but I don't remember which one and I'm sad

@@Kyure. it's not actually it is hundred years war ost from berserk

WHY would you spoil the Golden Age Arc for people who stumble upon your short vids and haven't seen Berserk?! This question of do Griffith's ends justify his means doesn't have any weight or significance to anyone who hasn't gotten invested in Berserk. So all you did was spoil the heck out of an amazing story for new viewers. Good job.

Yes, but there would still be alot less peace if he and his kingdom was not around, many kingdoms and species would still be fighting even in midland and the 100 year war would also be ongoing everywhere, falconia is only a peaceful place because of him, even if he's only using the peace for his own gains there's very less chance that there would be peace anywhere in midland

@@shivamarya5225 a big problem with that argument is that he and the rest of the godhand are the ones that cause that war

Lol the world would've been destroyed and ruled by Ganishka if not for turning him into a world tree

@@bigworkout7022 and the same happens with Griffith the whole world is screwed except for falconia, ganishka would have done the same and he didn't want to destroy the world he wanted to destroy the god hand and rule the world but

The god hand had the knowledge of the causality on their favor, they knew everything that was going to happen

The best written "bad guy"

@Vinicius Rocha LMAO

@Vinicius Rocha Not as long as Johann Liebert from Monster exists

@@kaso236 both of them sit together at the top🤝

Mans need to explore more AHAHAHAHAH

batman*

​@@ratchet2007Batman's Brazilian cousin. homem Morcego

​@@ratchet2007Batman from Ohio

Gay batman suit ong

Batman in 21st century

Precisely mirrors how he created friendships and then destroyed them later. The great writing of Griffith is that hes just steeped in irony. He creates the band of the hawk to become king - he then destroys the band of the hawk to become king. He claims to only respect friends that also follow their own dreams, yet him saying this is precisely what causes Guts to pursue his own dream, breaking griffith and ultimately causing him to destroy his own dream. He saves Casca from getting r*****, leaving her eternally loyal to him and later that loyalty to him is repayed with him r***ing her. He is made of evil irony right down to every last scene. His unwillingness to chan ge for his loves ones is a common theme - he beats guts in a duel and then years later looses to guts in a duel because he doesnt change his tactics from the first one. (Man really thought he could stop Guts' heap of raw iron with a tooth pick one handed) Griffith is evil, but only in a secondary sort of way. He is evil as a product of his miserably ironic sense of entitlement to what he wants over the wellbeing of the people he loves - who should really be his true dream, but narrow Falconlike vision for the nothingness shit dream he cobbled together as a little kid is precisely what left those cobblestones bare in the first place. Oh Griffith...

​@@postproductions246610 out of 10 analysis

​@@postproductions2466Man decides to COOK

​@@postproductions2466holy shit, great character analysis, let bro cook 🔥🗣️💯

Let's say Griffith had a USA phase

I felt so betrayed when I first read his betrayal. While i still love how well written he is, and I'm one of that people who love evil characters, it was so bad that he is probably the character i hate with the most burning passion

What about Kuze?

@@speeddemonji9547 Kuze isnt evil. Just doing his job. He's not the best, thats why he's angry about it.

@@TwinSidez Bruh, I was asking if Kuze induced anger in OP (sure did with me during that lil’ torture sequence). And no, Kuze is a pretty bad fucking person. Literally Evil Kiryu. He’s doing more than “just his fucking job” (which is being a damn yakuza)

The Antagonist on CSM Part 1 and Osabe Seiko from Blood in the Tracks are other Villains that is hard not to hate too.

I think the demons only show up around guts because of the brand, and looks like it's the whole world because we follow guts around

@@RainOn2SunnyDay that's true that we see more demons around guts but post Griffiths rebirth it is explained the veil between the worlds are weakened causing the troll crisis and such we see. Also him creating falconia literally destroys the remaining barrior between worlds with falconia being the only safe place left, so halfway through conviction and post conviction all the supernatural problems people have (not including guts and his party) are directly caused by Griffiths

@@RainOn2SunnyDay no, after the resurrection of Griffith everyone started facing the demons, even normal people and apostles became a common occurrence.

Not only that, Griffith sems the only one to able to command the demons and apostles AND seen as hero.

Griffith didn’t cause it, Skull Knight did. Guts lives in the interstice, the place where the spiritual world and the human world combine. Some people, usually people in rural areas like villages, can see things, such as elves, from the spiritual world because they have a looser belief of what does and does not exist. Skull Knight, attempting to kill Femto/Griffith, used his Sword of Behelits and created an astral fissure colliding the two worlds into one. Ironically, allowing Guts’ sword to slay actual dragons if he wanted to. Griffith does take advantage of the situation, but he didn’t outright cause it.

That’s how most evil people are in real life. They don’t think their actions bring harm and pain

Nah thats just good.

I feel like the only time griffith truly cared about something was when he met guts, he cared about guts but the moment guts left, he lost every bit of humanity ini him

That’s because he literally isn’t

​@@CSWdenji69rape is pretty evil if you ask me, stop sucking griffith D

Very personally…

Too much *Personally*

Fuck Casca! I wanted to bed Guts!- Griffith

Over the top *_Personally..._*

when you left your homo homie, and now he turns the world into hell. lesson learned: dont leave your homo homie

He's not really sympathetic lol

@@eclypse5081 depends on the perspective, I personally find him sympathetic as well Throughout the Band of the Hawks' Undefeated Streak, Griffith was trying super hard to stay strong and not let guilt eat away at him because of the casualties. At this point, he's still sane, like Casca said, even though Griffith's a different breed from the rest of them, in the end he's still human Guts' Presence can be said to be what's keeping Griffith from going mad out of guilt, unbeknownst to even Griffith himself, Guts became an irreplaceable person in his life, to the point where Guts' presence alone is enough for him and he later on realized that Guts' importance to him was equivalent to his Dream After being left by Guts and tortured for a year, to the point where he's a lifeless corpse, Griffith's mind was only filled with Guts, keeping him sane actually. He tried hard to hate him, but when he sees Guts again, he realized he can't actually bring himself to hate him, to the point where he's willing to just live a Normal Life with Casca Well, in the end, he was presented with a choice, his Dream or the Band of Hawks, and he unfortunately chose the former, because for him to not be consumed by Guilt brought by his Actions in the past, he HAD to convince himself that 'the end justified the means', if he stopped chasing his dream, the dead won't forgive him and he'll live his life regretting not chasing it when the power to accomplish it is right before his eyes At the very least, that's my take on Griffith's Character

@@kylenunez2820 he’s not sympathetic. Stop retelling the story again and again when anyone wants to say something good about him, even he sheds a tear in regret for his actions. There’s nothing sympathetic about greed and selfishness.

@@zzodysseuszz ever heard about an opinion? I have the same opinion as the Main Commenter here, "understandable and sympathetic, yet irredeemably evil", and I just stated why I find him like that. If my reply didn't convince you to find him of the same opinion, then that's your opinion, no need to admonish mine If you misunderstand my comment in anyway, what I meant is that Griffith was trying hard to be Perfect as well when he's at his highest, the only person who knew his Cruelty and Dark Side was Guts. Is that not sympathetic? Guts is also his only Friend and he didn't realize it till he lost him, he tried to keep him for his own because deep inside he's the only Person he relies on and would actually die for. This is what caused his dream to momentarily falter And no, I never meant to justify his actions and choices on the Eclipse, its just my personal take on his Thoughts at that time. At that time, my anger didn't seep through till that bastard literally raped Casca in front of Guts just to spite him and prove to himself that he didn't need Guts. This is what sealed the deal for me, his Past Self IS the sympathetic one, not his Post-Eclipse self, forgot to put distinction there honestly Hope that clears it up

@@kylenunez2820 stop with the essay Griffith a hoe 🤷🏾‍♂️

True, especially after seeing last chapter of Berserk

@@rubenharry6749 Griffith/Femto isn't the one crying in the last chapter, the moonlight boy is. That's literally the whole point of the monologue he gives at the end, he doesn't regret what he did or feel bad about it.

@@rubenharry6749 You definitely didn’t understand the chapter at all.

@@FuckUKpostsAndGoogle Griffith is the moonlight boy

I like that view of it. That's cool to think of. Maybe because I played the Dark Souls games first, it seems to me like there is a fated greatness vs self-progression greatness story going on.

Spoilers *doesn’t even fucking work*

Most justified thing ever

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Except for me

​@@CSWdenji69You aint his homie

​@@Andrew-rd9zq he is my homie 🗿

​@@Muzan_kibutsuji_1000but not the op homie

@@Vexazon True 😩

Notice that Griffith was young and arrogant at the time. Very well written indeed

All he wanted was to impress a girl ...and look where we are now.

" you were the only one who made me forget about my dream " -griffith, pertaining to guts. when the eclipse ritual was ongoing. griff sees guts as his equal. dreamless, happy, and living for the moment. griffith was really guts's friend when they were having their moments. A lot of fans miss this. Griffiths ideal self was a dignified king. that was his original goal. until guts showed up and shows him that life as it is isnt bad.

it didn't. all of that would've happened anyway

Facts guts you was already equal if not above Griffith not social status or power but as a MAN

In front of him. After killing all of his friends.

not only that but essentially malformed their unborn child in the process and after it was born used it as his new body, that’s a whole new level of fuckery

@@hyouka4567 Admittedly I was a tad happy when I finally figured out/realized that the baby is indeed Guts and Casca's, and perhaps expelling the influence of Griffith and returning Casca to normal could at least heal the unjustice done to Guts during the eclipse.

I don't think Guts even needed to be mentioned he graped the woman who believed so strongly him and trusted him completely.

Casca wasn't just his 'best friend's girl'. She was the woman who followed this asshat for years, served him, and put her life on the lines many times for him LONG before Guts ever showed up. Not a fan of seeing Casca being boiled down to 'Guts girl' over and over when its comes to this convo. She was basically asshat's right hand person until Guts came along. That was one of the reasons she despised him in the beginning.

Absolutely fucking not. He doesn’t care for evil he’s just extremely ambitious. Guts shouldn’t be bitching about Morals when he chose to be a mercenary.

​@@CSWdenji69his motivation does not have to be evil to make him irredeemable. It's his actions. Hitler believed he was correct in his atrocities, but that didn't make him any less evil.

​​@@CSWdenji69As long as its ambition, its not evil. Like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other mass murderer who had ambition.

​@CSWdenji69 he killed people, doomed the human race, tortured his best friends for little to no gain, and sacrificed his band just to wear his gay ass batman costume

@@CSWdenji69Griffith is absolutely evil

Facts!

But in this case Griffith was the one that made the world a hellhole, because of his resurrection demons started appearing all over the world. He then takes advantage of it to make himself look like a saint, making falconia the only place with peace

What you’re describing is not the ends justify the means, it’s some ends justify some means

lelouch is whom griffith has wet dreams about

I mean he was the leader of the band of the hawk

@@kenhdautientoitaora7676 doens't give him the right to sacrifice everyone... does it ?

@@aryanthapa6671 I mean it kinda does. He did say all his people were willing to die for his cause and he will decide where they ultimately will die. Members could’ve left at any given time.

@@warlordop713 That's war, which was the way of the world in their time period. What he did was callously sacrifice them to sadistic and bloodthirsty demons in order to ascend to godhood. Had they known what he was willing to do to them or were able to comprehend the horror this man would visit upon them, I doubt they would've stayed or let Griffith live.

@@warlordop713 Guts tried to leave and Griffith tried to stop him....but Guts at the time surpassed Griffiths strength. I don't think anyone else is winning in a duel against Griffith. (Members in the band of the hawk)

Calm down

Got tv show? Sure, but the book doesn't apply

Lol don't talk about stuff you don't understand. Read the books maybe you'll understand then.

It's like comparing berserk manga to berserk 2016

They hated him because he spoke the truth

no

Guts deserved the eclipse.

​@@CSWdenji69and why did he deserve that, trying to follow his own dream after helping Griffith succeed his? Stop your bs lil bro

Guts deserved it all along​@@Vexazon

@@dr.vijayalakshmi6489 yeah no I'm not taking this bait

At least Hitler was nice to some specific Jews, and he loved dogs! He also stopped live boiling of lobster as that was animal cruelty. He also started the no smoking zones. He at least waned to do good in his twisted head. Griffith is straight up dead inside and would kill pupies.

Dude Hitler killed way more people then Griffith and was connected to way more atrociiteies. Calm down 😅

This. The guy is evil. They have to deal with it.

I haven't seen breserk but Hitler>>

Grifith antes del eclipse podria ser un idiota narcisista mercenario si pero después del ecplise ya no hay vuelta atras, dejo su humanidad y se volvió lo mas horrible que puede haber

Take the words out of my mouth

That some good Zaza. Mind sharing me some?

I need what ur on lil bro

@@GokuSolosAnime nah gtfo with that username

No? He had to do the sacrifice, not only for selfishness but for all the fallen warriors of the band of the hawk that sacrificed their selfs for realizing Griffith's dream. And Griffith have mental struggle about it, because he injured himselfs several times for all the victims his dream have brought. Griffith isn't a psychopath, he is only a human that have done wrong and good stuff

@@th4n4t0s6 exactly bro and In the last panel we see that Griffith dreams bout reincarnating into Casca’s kid at night. He clearly whether subconsciously or consciously has some feelings for them

@@th4n4t0s6 tf is wrong with yall

@@s3rz0gg48 maybe you have to return to watch/read Dragonball, since Berserk is too complicated for you. Gatsu/Guts is a human like Griffith (for his past), no discussion about it.

@@th4n4t0s6 He doesn't really care about anything, except his dreams, he hold no strong feelings about anything, a complete psychopath indeed.

Yeah, he just trying to fullfil his goal, just like a homeless man killed his whole family, harvesting their organs and selling them to the black market and he became millionaire in no time

Ok but it’s true, and you would know that if you’ve read Berserk🤨 he’s a deeply complex character who is innately evil. The fact that he was destined to become a god hand member is evidence enough but that’s only 1 aspect of his evil nature. Did we read the same series?

@@jbstarkiller4626 Listen I did read berserk, and I acknowledge that my position on griffith’s character can pretty much only be obtained if you’ve ever been abused or tortured. As I have, And have gone to therapy and physiatrists I know how horrifying and painful it is. How the perception of my world changed, that the person I was before my trauma was effectively dead. Very VERY few people understand that feeling of being robbed of everything like that. So when I see griffith just before he becomes femto, I see myself in him, what I could have become if I hadn’t received help. Griffith, unlike me, didn’t have therapy, lived in a ruthless world where you don’t get pity, you don’t get a chance to talk about your feelings ((especially with him and no one else being able to properly communicate with him)). Griffith, is so realistically written to what happens to victims is a fault. Never, have I ever thought a series would write a character like this- not only that but he was literally manipulated into saying “I wish” like- seriously imagine being severely mentally ill, you’re hallucinating, you can’t place ur real emotions anywhere, you literally want to kill yourself. Then god like beings tell you that ur friends want you to sacrifice them? Like- this isn’t your typical “friendship can save everything guys! You just gotta believe!!!” Kind of anime- it’s painfully realistic. And yeah I don’t like what femto did, or how griffith turned out, but that wont stop me from seeing the reasoning behind his actions, the actual steps it took him to get there. I’ll love the characters that Miura spent years of his life creating, yeah! And I’ll like griffith I’ll appreciate femto as a villain cause- you know at the end of the day he isn’t real.

Griffith IS evil for no reason though, he has ambitions and some of it can be justified but doing what he did to casca was out of nothing but pure evil for no reason.

Rest in oesce

no he is not..

@@ratchet2007 explain

@@GokuSolosAnime he had no choice

@@ratchet2007 "He had no choice." He had at least three. Live a life of integrity and accept his life after torture, which we both know he wouldn't do. Kill himself, which is dishonorable and pathetic, which he also wouldn't do. Or, lastly, sacrifice everything that he held dear, and not in a genuine way, to obtain a restart, a reset, or endless power. He willingly and without guilt chose to act out in an evil way. He is a psychopath. But, if someone said that psychopaths have no choice, then sure, maybe I agree with that. Evil is just evil. Evil doesn't have a choice to be good, just choices on how to be evil.

He tried to kill himself when he fell in the lake before the Eclipse but the Beherit saved him@@BlueRaven893 And that's an incredible simplistic take on evilness. "Evil " always has a choice to be "good" .

They all had it coming. They were his soldiers who fought for his dream. Guts becomes a mercenary and cries about morals boohoo deserved.

​@@CSWdenji69how

@@CSWdenji69bro….. 💀 ain’t no way you just said that.

​@@saltymint yea wtf

​@@CSWdenji69 he didnt even want to follow to begin with😅 nice deserved bruh

I like pippin too

In your opinion

Grittith=giga chad don care what bitches say

@@seanstapelfeld2192 Is that really an opinion when that is what literally happens?

@@seanstapelfeld2192 if you think that all of those horrible deeds are acceptable for the final outcome of having a kingdom I have news for you... You might be a bit mad.

@@CDRW24 it justifies it for him (Griffith) that’s why he did it. It doesn’t justify it for you the viewer but it does so for Griffith the character that sacrificed his crew to become a god

watchu mean homie😂 you mean homo😂

Underrated lmao

lmao

true homies forever hehee

Don’t be homies with a sociopath who will give up on ya friendship and adopted family for power.

nah ryo killed the planet lmao and without a goal like griffith he just hates humans 😂

He is obviously morally gray I don’t give a fuck what cucks say. He is a man with immense ambition. People hate him cus they ain’t him.

he is undoubtledly pure evil

He was a very interesting character pre eclipse, seemingly simple when you look at his obsession with his dream but having many aspects boiling and cooking under the surface just waiting to explode.

You’re soft that’s why.

He’s still a boss.

​@@CSWdenji69 nice meat rider u are😂

You mean incomplete

Yeah he's like that common trope completely REVERSED and I like that makes him compelling

Its like berserk fans dont read berserk manga. didnt griffith tell in his mind that guts was the only person who made him forget about his dream? (this was in the eclipse before he agrees to terms) meaning as long as he was with guts. life as it is is okay. He was fine not to take his dream along with the stress it gives. just live the moment with guts. that was enough replacement for his dreams of wearing a crown in a castle..

@@susandinosaur732 well no. Yes Guts made Griffith care about something other then his dream for ones but the end goal was always the castle. As we see after Griffith is rescued he can’t deal with the idea of a quite life without the crown he had been fighting for his whole life even if that included Guts.

@@andrithorkristensson2545 LOL how can griffith deal with that life? he cant possibly be king, he cant possibly be guts equal/friend. the two things he ever wanted was impossible to reach. ofcourse he wont accept the only possible route, which is being pitied by guts and casca. yes, the end goal was always the castle as everyone except guts and casca is riding their hopes and dreams to griffith becoming king. Nearly everyone in the band got a dream that if griffith becomes king, they'll also be included in that kingdom, maybe as tailors, cooks, soldiers, laborers, business owners etc. Griffith cannot back down even if he wanted to.

@@andrithorkristensson2545 Griff accepts the deal with the hand because its the best possible choice. either Death. Be Pitied for life. Or become a king.

He makes the youngest child look like the most grateful and nice person ever

Bro what are you even talking about

Please tell me you're joking

Why would they be joking?

Griffith isn't necessarily evil,nore is he really good.Grifith is just a selfish asshole with lots of ambition.The only thing is that before he didn't feel guilt or responsibility when his comrades died,but atleast he wouldn't sacrifice his comrades.He later snaps after his fall from grace and decides he really will do anything for his dream,his selfish and doesn't care what he has to do to fulfill his ambition.Fuck Griffith

Well bois, looks like we found the sicko

Lol you pissed off the Griffith fan boys xd

no

We all pretend that justification matters but the truth is that it's all arbitrary... It's one of the toughest things in life to deal with and accept

Killing him is justified just like Griffith was justified in the ends justifying the means

Nope it is not justified.

It's not

​@@rsy3974 why not?

So true😂 it’s like a teenager

Nah fr

Ngl we should group all them together then sacrifice them to the God Hand, see how they feel then

He aint done nothing bad yow

​@@SuperDababy2 muslims believe in Muhammad let's see what you can do about that or the Chinese worshipping mao or the Turks Genghis Khan

My bf said that he liked Griffith as a character and no cap .he was apparently joking and only meant that he was dealt with a lot of abuse so ofc he went off on eveyone but it actually concerns me pretty bad , like he’s a sociopath how can u like him after what he did to casca

He's straight until Guts shows up

He was fucking men

Probably gay for guts lol

No he is bi

I think the bastard is "bisexual"

what's tha name of this movie and where can i watch this?, please

FACT: Griffith was straight. Until Guts shows up. This chaos was happening because of lovers misunderstanding. Guts: so we werent really equal. you wanted a big dreamer. Griffith: i was willing to forget my dreams for you. (read berserk manga moments before griff agrees in the eclipse)

@@susandinosaur732 wasn’t that man giving up his ass to kings before ever meeting guts BY CHOICE💀

@@223muey so who is gay? every men is gay, except for straight kings?

@@223muey yeah bro was taking in between the cheeks for money 💀 nigga was a hooker

@@223muey he didn't do that because he's gay, it's just for the large sum of money needed to fund his army. He's not gay for Guts also. He admired Guts because he's the only one he could see as his equal hence his friend. The friend that turned his back on him when he needed him most. He became to reliant on Guts that he lost his composure when Guts left him.

It was confirmed with the last chapter that the moonlight child was Gut’s son, the cursed child. The cursed child who Griffith merged with regained control during full moons and went to Guts and Casca. We know this because after the full moon ended the moonlight child turned into Griffith.

@@alecluh4144 naa, it was probably a different scene when Griffith was talking to his wife

Isidropkicks him, skull knight exorcises the moonlight child, and then everyone beats Griffith to death. Happy ending

Cause he can throw it all away that easily.

You had me in the first half but stumbled at the end, creating a Kingdom of Peace and Prosperity isn't unethical, but having your godlike homies bring demons into reality to force mankind into your "cage of peace" is.

@@melancholyman369 I admit, I have not kept up with Berserk, but as I understand the character of Griffith, his main driving force is to be superior to others, that is why his dream was to be the emperor of a kingdom. That is the reason he thought of Guts and the band of hawk as subordinates, that is why he forces himself on to castca when he is rescued. He became femto becausr it was the shortest path to feeling superior to others. His desire to rule didn't come from a place of concern for his subjects, but for his need to feel superior. Those 2 motivations have different possible means to achieve them.

@@melancholyman369 or you know killing you’re allies and even fucking a princess is a bit stupid and selfish

@@melancholyman369 plus he never cared for his allies as they were tools for his goals and ambitions

@@Channel-23s he DID care for guts which caused his downfall

Hasnt that been the case for all of us

@@fusiontoa18 no?

@@fusiontoa18 no?

@@fusiontoa18 yes 👍🏼 The comment above are lying 😂

@@fusiontoa18 Yes

Didn't he mention something about a coble stones and achieving his dreams.

He did it to advance it wasn't all that selfless, but nice try.

I'm not a Griffith hater but he did that for his dream, not to protect the band

That depends on your definition of evil, I think sacrificing innocents and loved ones for power and prestige is straight up evil.

@@TandJgaming if u just sum up all the bad things he has done he does sound evil but he also cares about his men. but his dream comes above everything. and considering that he was a living corpse and was basically manipulated it makes sense, after becoming a God a argument can be made that he was just evil since he brought the demons and raped casca and has lost all his humanity

@@TandJgaming totally when you look into the things he did for his own means it shows if he’s good evil or gray in the matter

It's 100% evil, he is just not a flat character. I think we are so used to bad written villain that, when we see an actually good villain, we mark them as "morally gray". He is not, there is nothing even remotely "grey" in what he did. He never did it out of positive thinking, he never did anything out of a "greater good". He did it for himself and only for himself. He betrayed the same person who saved his ass and put him in the position he was. He is evil and it's not even debatable. But Miura was a crazy good writer and Griffith is still an amazing character

@@micheledelloglio5820 considering that he sold his body for his men and the state he was in when the eclipse occurred. he values his dream to an absurd reason but it makes sense. I think in that situation a lot of people would do the same if given the choice. the rape thing was after he became a God and by then he lost all his humanity. but a case can be made that he was always selfish and evil in chapter 83, the not cannon chapter where he says "I want wings" but that chapter isn't cannon

Thats what think too there will be a great bloodbath maybe Griffith want to be some omnipotent God or whatever

@@meti326 Although it’s a bit of a stretch I think it has something to do with guts holding the behelit and possibly him or casca using it

@@charlieehrbar6915that would be awsome but what would they Sacrifice? for me it looks like Griffith needs to sacrificing the greatest trust in destroying all of Falconia and the People who belive in him

Don't worry it's coming back

But Casca enjoyed it...

​@@ratchet2007enjoyed it so much it made her go insane and corrupted her, yeah right

@@Vexazon then why did she moan..

@@ratchet2007 there's a difference between enjoying it physically and enjoying it mentally, like how when you sneeze even if you don't like it your body would still sneeze because that is the way it's supposed to react. In this case even though Casca absolutely hates it she still can't control her body because it's reacting naturally like how it's supposed to, hence why she moaned you idiot

@@ratchet2007she didn’t moan because she wanted it,do you think you get morning wood because you want to be erect?