:-)

I post videos every two weeks. Except over Christmas and in summer ;-)

I am a user, too. So I am interrested in "what is in for me", not only how many views I will get ;-)

@@AndreasSpiess and when people say ARM (or Risc-V or whatever) is less compatible the fanboys cry that it is almost a no problem >.< The only thing good about ARM is less energy. That's it. The end. The rest is horrible. No standard, proprietary shitty SOCs (or else i could just install any linux on any android phone).

Have fun!

You are welcome!

Rabbit holes are my job ;-)

❤

I agree, this is also a good solution. With a built-in UPS…

Using a laptop plugged in 24/7 is a sure fire way to kill the battery.

@@nevilenobody606 On old laptop it already dead. But some laptops like Dell and Lenovo offer charging settings. I usually set start charging below 40% and stop at 80%.

@@efimovv If it's already dead then there's no UPS!

You can put all those applications on one miniPC using Proxmox. No need for a Pi in this scenario…

Thank you for your support!

You are welcome!

Cool!

Raspberry PI company has recently started an IPO. Corporate cost cutting soon.

I also run lxd. It is amazing how many full operating systems you can run in containers.

@@originalmianos 'full' is maybe a strech, but containers are pretty amazing

Absolutely agree So many advantages over a pi.

I did the same some days ago, yet I was a little bit disappointed by the actual power consumption tbh. My thin client consumes around 14-18W ...

Thank you!

The whole WE was rainy at FOSDEM in Brussels. But I was mostly inside at presentations.

The performance would be sufficient. Those applications usually do not use the cpu a lot.

Which OS do you use on your VMs?

@@AndreasSpiess Mostly debian minimal install and work up from there. For HAOS i use one of their images, for nextcloud i use, a nextxloudpi img, then i have an alarm(archlinuxarm) for an experimental minimal wayland desktop using sway. Then i run other services like syncthing and OMV on debina vms. I recently learned how to manage storage from with in proxmox so i will drop the OMV nas vms.

@@BrunoOctavioBomba Sorry for "asking" 10 times. I was on the train with a bad connection, and obviously, it posted my comment and told me that it failed ;-) I see you have much more Linux knowledge than me. So far, I have not been able to get Raspberry OS running in a VM...

Glad you enjoyed it!

Here everything (including Asterisk) runs on a single second hand thin client. No issues so far… So you should be able to consolidate everything, too.

For my use case, LXC with Proxmox is better than Docker, and Kubernetes work really well on Proxmox in VMs to do all the Docker stuff. Btw, I'm using 3 x NUC type PCs for Proxmox with HA and 1 TrueNas PC for backups, so the power budget is a lot worse. Just wanted to say not to discount Proxmox for container applications. But I agree that Docker is a good fit for Raspberry Pi, I still have some PIs as well, but in my case, only for non VM applications. I also agree with the host of the video on his points about Proxmox on RPi.

Proxmox offers also containers in addition to VMs

@@AndreasSpiess Good to know ;)

Glad you liked it!

Thank you!

I assume this is the reasoning behind 5e whole story…

Indeed, 20V USB-C opens a lot of new possibilities!

A good decision. I also use a small Lenovo…

It should work on version 8, too.

Welcome!

Thank you for the tip!

Absolutely!

It’s big community is also very valuable…

@@AndreasSpiess , I want to subscribe for community of Proxmox later on.

Its performance comes now closer to one of the newer "Celerons". Still not very fast, but these Home Automation applications do not need a lot of power.

It could run GigE based openwrt in armvirt/KVM that works very well because I'm currently using one as my home major router, and two lxc containers on the same physical SBC for some other tasks (such as ddns and some python scripts), all over a 2G/16GB RK3399 Asus Tinker board 2S with Armbian as base OS.

You are welcome!

Thank you for sharing your experience!

You're welcome

Well said!

I never tried WiFi, so I do not know. But I would be surprised if it would not work.

As a Linux noob, I do not know how much Raspberry OS is changed and if my projects would run on a standard Debian. That is the only reason I usually stick to Raspbery OS.

​@@AndreasSpiessthey should run fine on Debian. Should anyways.

Just thinking loud: Could it be access to GPIO ?

Thank you for the info!

Good choice!

I also hope that we will get UEFI. Then one difference is closed.

No doubt at all. Andreas went through this a few weeks ago. Unless you want the GPIO, the new RPi is the loser in every other category , price. functionality, broad software support, speed just to name a few. :)

@@originalmianos This is exactly why I am getting rid of my PI's and have gone to mini/tiny pc's The last one I bought (second hand for use as a Proxmox backup server) cost me £20!! The ONLY thing that (for me) the PI wins is lower power consumption which unfortunately these days matters.. I run five mini pc's for a lot less power then my big server used.

@@salan3 The new rpi does not even win on power. The n100s are less than 10W now. Maybe rpi might win by 500mW.

@@salan3 Ps. I used to run a bunch of NUCs. I got a mini PC with 16G and use lxd to run 10 lightweight containers, caddy, mqtt, nodered, wireguard etc all in their own machine all on a 10W T12 N100. 😂

exactly this. I got some HP t530 ThinClient 1,50 GHz GX-215JJ, 4GB RAM, 8GB M.2 SSD 1x NT with power supply and shipping for 13,50 Euro each. Send piospartslap(.)de a price suggestion, they got plenty. Uses 7W idling with Proxmox and IObroker, has warranty, nice connectivity, a case, is silent - but no GPIO! Speedwise pretty similar to a PI4. Paying over 50 Euro for a Pi is just a sad joke...

Fortunately, we have a solution for the time till it is fixed.

There are a few other channels doing that. The differences are pretty small between the boxes. I still wait for one that is better suited for our need with reasonable sized case and at least 32GB of memory.

I decided for a good Mikrotik router (also because of PoE). Because I have a few other devices from them, it is easier to learn for me…

Software was always an issue with the non-raspberry boards... The HW often is better as well as price/performance.

The problem is you usually don't know exactly how much memory all your processes need and many are dynamic.

I agree. Still, if you work with big images, the chance is bigger that you need a lot of swap. At least this was the case during my tests.

Maybe. We will see. Maybe we will get a proper release…

@@AndreasSpiess No, I think what @elgrazo82 said is correct. There will never be a UEFI boot version of RPi OS, because a RPi does not work with UEFI boot. And that's the end of it for the RPi people, I'm sure.

Performance is no problem for those applications. They do not use a lot of CPU.

Thank you. I tried all available displays without success…

😂

This is why I used an SSD…

Also, if the system itself is UEFI, then you should use UEFI as standard, you should only use legacy if the system isn't UEFI. The Raspbian may be legacy based to be installed on barebone as such, and will not work on UEFI (They are just 2 ways to start the machine, UEFI pulls drivers to memory on startup and take control of them, legacy wont load them and will let the system handle them).

You are right. I usually use whatever the project is delivering. Home assistant, for example, delivers a whole operating system (also for the Raspberry). With IOTstack I could try a container.

Thank you! Just returning from Brussels, BTW…

@@AndreasSpiess Brussels! So close! We could have had a beer! Next time just yell and I see if I can work something out!

@@PhG1961 I was at FOSDEM and quite busy...

@@AndreasSpiess I can imagine!

No, I used X86 images on my X86 Proxmox machine because it runs natively (and I had no need to do differently).

Thanks for the info. So far, I did not use it.

That is a very good price!

Thank you for sharing your experience!

Thank you for sharing your experience. Most of us agree on that one (I made a video about htat a few months ago). Still, there are a lot of Pi lovers around...

As shown in this video, I would not bet my home automation on this. Most of us running Proxmox do it on an X86 platform (I made a video about it).

@@AndreasSpiess it sounds like maybe Ubuntu with Docker and then running ha as a containter is more ideal? The only challenge i see is paasing through the uabs and bluetooth to the container

Das glaube ich auch. Da hat sich ein neuer Markt entwickelt.

Thank you for the additional info!

Yes, I looked at Proxmox in this video.

:-)

Thanks for the info. Also others mentioned that I should not care too much about Raspbery OS and just use Debian.

His last video was a bit different…

@@AndreasSpiess yes it was. He should consider though that a mini pc is better an for gpio projects esp32, stm32 blackpill, pi pico or at most pi zero 2 are more suited

Bad luck! Thank you for sharing your experience.

Thank you for the info about big.little. I did not care because I thought, the ARM architecture uses only one.

@@AndreasSpiess On the BCM2712 of the RPi5, there's only one type of core. However, when working with other single-board computers, the core architecture becomes crucial. Personally, I use an Orange Pi 5 Plus with 16GB of RAM and an 8-core RK3588, running Proxmox, and it works great!

I do not know :-(

I agree.

I only wanted one server ;-)

I agree, running server applications on an SD card is not a good idea!

I had no problem getting a Pi5. That seems to have changed recently. At least where I live.

I did not need those. Are they still rare?

The solution is renting a virtual server on which to run the containers you need. No worries about electricity and down time. They notice when there servers are down. I'm running your same stack for 5 USD a month, not paying for electricity, or hardware, always the newest stuff. My containers are now running for 14 months without any interruption.

@@HelmutQ Where do you get a VPS with at least 8GB ram and 4 cores and minimum 128GB NVME storage for 5 USD? Power cost of a raspberry pi is less than that per month and for smart home you really want a local server and not remote.

@@radry100 I got 2 CPUs with 2 GB Memory and 80GB of disk. Runs 24 hours a day and communicates with mz hous over mosquitto For my purposes this is enough. If I were to need more I'd pay for more but only for as long as I need them. With many providers you can rent by the hour for a few cents. With only containers you need much less Ram than with full blown virtual machines. Most docker containers offload the Ram requirements to the browser client who does the graphics. They just send html5/JS content very concise, they never render it in their own memory. Influxdb is a noteable unpleasant excetpion. But there are other reasons to get out of the way of it And of course no multiple copies of substantially the same OSes. It is a matter of taste really. I see no reason to fill my drawers with ever new SBCs , power cables, chassis, powersupplies etc, which most of the time stay there. For a more casual hobbyist like myself, remote is definitely the way to go, and even for bros like the guy with the swiss accent it is at least a viable alternative. With portainer as many remote images can be installed with a gui in the browser just as easily as locally. VScode edits files directly on the remote machine through ssh. Once setup you no longer notice the machine is not in your house. Xwindows is slow but usuable. I render my stuff in html/js jpeg or png and pick them up in the browser. Most modern Home systems do the same. I. basically stopped spending anything. Just a couple of esp8266 or RP2040 which communicate with the data center mosquitto, my own private instance hidden behind a random private protocol, nobody will ever hack, not because it is so good, but because it is unique and not worthwhile breaking. I have no open ports in my home net and can control the homesystem from anywhere in the world. The provider took care of registration. An nginx reverse proxy connects to each of my separate containers with seperate subdomains. I still have a couple of RP 3 and 4. But undusting them finding the right power cable and SD card, rarely comes to my mind these days. Buying an RP5 even less. All my containers are savely stored in my 2 TB Family Apple cloud, batteries and backups included. dozens of them. All the best with your hobby. There are many ways to go to Rome. Trying with virtual servers is worthwhile. It did save me a lot of time and money and drawer space. Yeah it changed my life. Amazon AWS even offered a free Tier for a year. IONOS is cheap and easier to administer and more predictable in billing with traffic included. Cheers

I use an ESP-01 as a watchdog timer. If it does not get a regular MQTT message from my broker on Proxmox it sends me a message via Telegram. Because it runs very independent from the Proxmox server it is quite safe. No protection against power outage and internet outage, of course... All other "processes" also have node-red watchdogs that send Telegram messages whenever the standard interval is not met (then, something must be wrong).

I am not sure if they are cheaper. But they have more power and memory, I agree.

I do not know (I never used it)

Ok. I think it is a must have for most homeassistant users as lots of people use usb devices for their zigbee/zwave networks. It would require passing through the device to honeassistant. At least if you dony go the ser2net way

As mentioned, I am only a user and glad to have such tools and not a lot to care about security. So I am happy if others do the heavy lifting to create the tools…

I agree.

I agree if you do not need GPIOs…

@@AndreasSpiess Even if you do, you can just use Zero or a microcontroller...

Goole knows many products to solve this issue.

As a Linux noob I usually use Raspberry OS because most projects are made for this OS. But maybe I am over cautious..

Eh, proxmox supports qemu and will use kvm to do so.

Similar situation here. One Pi4 for Balloon hunting (SDR) because the Pi3 was too slow…

@@AndreasSpiess And how many do you have, doing nothing? I have 3 or 4 I don't use anymore.

@@fluffyblue4006 Two were killed and not replaced during the supply crisis (dead power supply). So not many left...

Cool setup!

I did what you suggested and importet it to a VM: qemu-img resize image.qcow2 +4G Same effect :-(

I do not use fans. But maybe it needs a software to create a PWM signal for the fan?

Definitively an overkill. But who cares ;-)

There are quite a few Pi "fanboys" around. And some people want an extremely low power consumption.

I thought they adapted the Raspberry OS more and that some projects would not work. So it is good to know that this fear is not needed. Thanks.

@@AndreasSpiess Oh, okay. I did not realize that this is still that much of unexplored waters for you.

I agree that the 8GB is not a lot for a server.

I agree that I have no clue about those file formats. The question is: Would it have had an effect on the outcome?

@@AndreasSpiess basically you need to write the image to the disk. You might have success by loading a basic desktop distro from iso, download the IMG file and write it to the disk with dd, I bet that this way raspios and openwrt will work

@@user-vx9ch6rs1w That is what I did. Without much success in some cases 😞

@@AndreasSpiess look into maybe installing u-boot on the mbr

I agree.

Thank you!

I did not look at it so far :-(

:-)

I am glad you understood what I wanted to say ;-)

As a Linux noob I decided to stick with the Pi as an SBC. So somebody else has to do that test…

As a Linux noob, I decided to stick with Raspberry OS because of its huge community. So I have to go without all these HW goodies :-(

@@AndreasSpiess Raspberry OS is quite good to be honest. It should work in most arm based boards as it is based on armbian.