Is this my next laptop? - HP Dev One
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Anthony has had his eye on the HP Dev One laptop due to its killer feature... it comes pre-installed with Linux! Does this System76 x HP crossover make sense, or should HP stick to making Windows PCs?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 We got something special here
0:33 Bonus accessories
1:35 Unboxing the Dev One
2:07 External design impressions
3:06 IO walkthrough
3:55 Sponsor - Linode
4:30 Booting it up!
4:54 This is an interesting collaboration
6:35 Webcam shutter
6:56 Simple setup
8:18 Keyboard/Trackpoint impressions
8:55 Speaker impressions ft. Crab Rave
9:41 Screen impressions
10:46 Webcam impressions
11:24 Teardown and internal impressions
13:41 Overall thoughts
14:34 Outro
@Bradmagus Рік тому
The fact that they show you the actual JSON data they're sending should certainly be a standard imo
@BastetFurry Рік тому
You can do that with the average Linux user, but do that to the average Windows user and you will end up with so many helpdesk calls of confused customers. Sad reality.
@Nevir202 Рік тому
@@BastetFurry Just make it a button "View Details" those who don't know won't click it, those who want to know will.
@spaceriot23 Рік тому
@@BastetFurry or they can just prettify that JSON to end user
@SkyyySi Рік тому
@@spaceriot23 Showing it like how Firefox shows JSON rather than a monochrome text file would probably help.
@dave6012 Рік тому
That is cool. I was wondering if that was editable, like, can you choose to remove certain fields from the json, or perhaps add one (if you know what is).
@M_J_Stark Рік тому
As a HP commercial system engineer I can say specs are hard to come by internally as well. R&D guys keep them under lock and key.
@lukasmrtvy Рік тому
6850U, DDR5, PCIe5 NVME ? Elitebooks have it, also T14, X13, even 13s by Lenovo...
@charleshines1553 Рік тому
It is nice that they list specs for their laptops otherwise. I guess they realize no one will buy it if they don't know what it is. It may be junk or unsuitable for someone's intended use, they would not be able to decide on it without knowing. Maybe it comes with a WiFi card that is known to not work well with their router. Sure a lot of times those can be changed out but not everyone knows how to do that. I know a lot of people who don't get into the technical stuff and just want it to work.
@jorgebustillos8469 Рік тому
No usb c charger? Really?
@AlexMoffatPrime Рік тому
@@jorgebustillos8469 It probably does. I have an HP from last year that does both the barrel and USB. I only use the barrel when running intensive tasks.
@Corroidz Рік тому
@@jorgebustillos8469 Look at the symbols between the USB-C ports. 3:24 Looks like they support power as well.
@RussSirois Рік тому
7:25 This reminds me a lot of how the Steam Hardware Survey shows you all the data it gathered before sending it off. More companies should offer this, even if it's just a JSON dump. Analytics doesn't have to be bad!
@MrGamelover23 Рік тому
Unfortunately, they're kind of useless if they're opt-in. Linux suffers massively from having opt-in analytics. Developers would know what they're wasting time on if it wasn't. It should be opted out but something that you can click a check mark on during installation. Otherwise all the data is highly skewed.
@PhysicsGamer Рік тому
@@MrGamelover23 That sounds like a problem that isn't worth the price of the cure.
@tuttiepadh7556 Рік тому
@@PhysicsGamer Absolutely
@MrGamelover23 Рік тому
@@PhysicsGamer no, it's worth it. It should be opt out so the people who actually care about that kind of thing can exclude themselves. Normal people don't care, and this information is only helpful if you get it from the majority of users.
@PhysicsGamer Рік тому
@@MrGamelover23 This really does sound like a not-my-problem situation. Why should I have to hunt through menus to opt out of something? Yeah it's a tragedy of the commons to a point, but the difference is that not many especially care about this particular "common" and many actively dislike it. Though in my case I like to take the additional step of not opting-out but rather scrambling my telemetry, in a lot of cases. It amuses me to think what that winds up doing to their final data.
@mrMartyrer Рік тому
i would be absolutely happy to see something like a dev benchmarks added to the list of a usual pc/laptop benchmarks, like compiling times
@ArtifactSkyline Рік тому
That chassis is identical to the 840 G7/G8. I work with those machine on a daily basis. Common issues I see are partially damaged speakers and some oddities with the USB-C ports (not charging, not passing through display signal), otherwise no complaints. Beware of the keyboard though, it is hard mounted to the chassis. If it breaks it is not something that can easily be replace DIY. HP support has been great though when issues do come up.
@unknownLK1 Рік тому
My company got me one last year. But I got one with a intel cpu, and the temps is the only downside for me. Never got any issue with the ports so far.
@Funnywargamesman Рік тому
I have a feeling I know who you work for
@DasGanon Рік тому
Same! Although we're running 845 instead of 840 (it's the Ryzen version) and it's specced pretty much identically to the one Anthony is using. The only major difference is that the 845 G8 Elitebook is that it has the cool Spectre logo. Also a lot of issues with the shutter in that a lot of users bump it when opening and don't realize it
@ArtifactSkyline Рік тому
@@DasGanon that is a pretty common complaint I have gotten too. We close them by default and most users don't actually realize they are there, which is fair. So we will get calls and have to walk them through it.
@ArtifactSkyline Рік тому
@@Funnywargamesman me or someone else? If you mean me, take a shot I am curious.
@joshuac837 Рік тому
When HP wants to make an upgradeable machine, they can make a damn good upgradeable machine. Worked with some older HP laptops when I worked in IT, and those did pretty well
@JuryDutySummons Рік тому
I've been impressed with the HP Elite Book line. This looks like it's from that line.
@diavolodeejayZERO Рік тому
I have an elitebook as work laptop (elitebook 835 G8) and it's SO EASY to open and serive it, I love it
@manojgail Рік тому
Agree. My HP laptops were pretty easy to open and upgrade. While before that I had old Dell XPS which used to performance machines not ultra portables of today. I could only RAM through a small compartment at bottom. Other than this for everything you had disassemble complete motherboard. It was pain in the ass.
@lars2894 Рік тому
Pretty sure this review unit is a repurposed mid-range ProBook 600 lineup, though I could be wrong. EliteBook 800 series have nicer chassis and a redesigned, slick looking HP logo.
@this_is_japes7409 Рік тому
yes, unfortunately, that's not where the money is. supplying businesses who don't care or don't know any better with overheating machines with planned obsolescence now that's where the money is.
@skylk559 Рік тому
As a developer, I find thunderbolt very useful because I always dock my laptop and run out of internal storage. Thunderbolt solves both issues very well although I can live with usbc.
@firefireg Рік тому
Everyone knows this. But this video is an ad.
@Zero1Zero1 Рік тому
Looks great. I really appreciate how it's engineered and knowing you can upgrade or repair it if ports go bad. That was the one thing I loved about my Vaio. You could do anything with it
@FairlySadPanda Рік тому
"Could this be my next laptop?" > Available for purchase in the U.S. only Guess Anthony is taking the sample home with him
@6891s Рік тому
well i look at the spec of it and it’s not that great but if you only use it for work then it’s fine just import it from mexico to india tten to your country
@jyvben1520 Рік тому
they travel to the USA sometimes, so not really a problem, still a review after some months would be nice
@IMarvinTPA Рік тому
"Could this specific one be my next laptop?"
@6891s Рік тому
@@IMarvinTPA maybe if you have the money for
@IMarvinTPA Рік тому
@@6891s The quote isn't for me, it is what Anthony has to be saying since the laptop isn't available in Canada.
@KayJay01 Рік тому
I'm surprised by Anthony praising this so much. This looks identical to HP's business lineup with the Elitebooks and Z-books. It literally just looks like one of those with Linux installed. The screws being captive, the raised wedge, the physical webcam shutter, the internal layout, the external layout, the upgradeability; it's all identical to HP's business lineup. I don't think HP has done anything in particular with this laptop, it is just an elitebook (looks *identical* to the 845) with Pop! OS.
@PeterSlovakthepeterson Рік тому
Because it is an Elitebook without Windows And I hate Elitebooks, but much less than those thick Dell Inspirons. Still, they're all a bunch of loud and terrible laptops
@toast1797 Рік тому
The whole point of this is being first-party hardware you don't have to wipe windows and install Linux on it. Not all people (dev included) are interested in messing with Secure Boot and boot order.
@Zedilt Рік тому
Only thing I noticed as different is the lack of the "premium" HP logo.
@Ebalosus Рік тому
@@PeterSlovakthepeterson pray-tell? I’m quite partial to elitebooks, given how serviceable they are, even compared to Thinkpads.
@BadatchH Рік тому
@@PeterSlovakthepeterson inspiron isn't a comparison to elitebook. It would be the precision which I use for work and the new ones are basically like xps chassis
@hrq007 Рік тому
Wow, I love it! Side note: HP has been doing the "wired barrel jack" thing at least since the DV4 series (2008). I have replaced mine before, circa 2010. It is really neat.
@GuitarListen Рік тому
This keyboard layout is at least 4 years old. Had one of these at work and I can say it felt nice. The touchpad itself wasn't something to die for, though it did use to include another line of left and right click on the lower side of the touchpad. But the keyboard was above many other laptop keyboards back in the day (imo).
@lenano Рік тому
This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot...... Does explain why it's such nice quality and so modular though. Business laptops should really get more attention in my opinion. They often have useful extra features like an extra b-key m.2 slot for cellular modem cards that can also be used for an extra ssd or really whatever b-key device you can think of (there's even software defined radios that fit in that slot lol).
@DarkP1 Рік тому
business laptops are real laptops the other ones are toys for kids, apple sells both in one so their pricing is business but targets kids. if HP and Lenovo only serves this type of laptops Mac would be in serious problem.
@sonofage Рік тому
It was what made me click the video. My days when handling HP laptops for work suddenly flash before my eyes. Haha. At least it has upgraded specs and parts.
@shvrdavid Рік тому
This is just a rebranded EliteBook 845 G8 but they removed the 4G card/2nd ssd slot......You left out "but costs more money"... Fixed....
@ryanb6503 Рік тому
I bought an HP laptop and desktop in college and after all the drivers started breaking one by one with every major Windows update I was ready to swear them off forever. but I found the local university sold their old business laptops (g2's/g3's) for cheap and they were amazing!
@RommelMurillo Рік тому
@@DarkP1 I have an HP 840 G7 and I will never buy one of those for me. I really hate those laptops
@bastost Рік тому
Kudos to HP! Hope that they launch outside US too.
@theredtechengineer1480 Рік тому
No, the Kudo is a system76 laptop not a HP laptop.
@totallynotbluu Рік тому
@@theredtechengineer1480 explain the HP branding then
@Watchandlearn91 Рік тому
@@theredtechengineer1480 HP created the laptop and worked with system76 on the software and a few other things.
@ladislavseps4801 Рік тому
They somewhat did it's just the hp elitebook g8 with pop OS. I assume it should be easy to get the pop os on it. Edit: it is not. They removed the smartcard and celular modem options. (the modem is in m.2 slot, you can get elitebook without it and just add ssd or something)
@anonymgamer3416 Рік тому
@@Watchandlearn91 whooooosh
@drunkenfarmerjohn42 Рік тому
I actually had one of the Envy 360's with similar design language. It was a fantastic laptop. The last generation mid and high tier HP's have been fantastic machines.
@forestthefish Рік тому
It looks like a off color hp elitebook g8. I've been really satisfied with how good hp is on keeping their stuff serviceable. No funky screws or adhesive. Lots of modularity is pretty common in the elitebooks. Great video guys.
@Alpha8713 Рік тому
This is really cool. Especially for the price. I've long been a Lenovo T-series user, but I hate that they have gone to soldered RAM. Love that this has user-replacable RAM and also a pointing stick (which I strongly prefer to touch pads). Having something designed for Linux is a bonus (though, to be fair, the T-series has always run well with CentOS/Rocky). If only this had built-in ethernet and a matte-surface LCD, I would buy one immediately. Anyway, nice job, HP and System76.
@idtyu Рік тому
Lenovo or thinkpad runs perfectly fine in fedora, their own engineers use that.
@hasan_m119 Рік тому
I have the elitebook 850 G8 its the same exact chasis but the 15.6" version with an extra ssd slot, 4G slot, matte display. You can go for the probook which has a very similar chasis and has an ethernet port but sadly no pointing stick
@U1TR4F0RCE Рік тому
If I remember correctly the HP Dev One is basically meant to be a lenovo thinkpad which have been popular linux laptops for some time.
@pierreuntel1970 Рік тому
no, the lenovo E or the thinkbook series uses a linux-incompatible fingerprint scanner for years now
@jenda386 Рік тому
I just wish the HP had a middle button for the pointing stick. I exclusively use that to scroll through websites and documents.
@rvmiv_ Рік тому
I'm always down for some Anthony linux content!
@miff227 Рік тому
Linux is actually his surname.
@theGURUman Рік тому
Looks like the current HP Elitebook - same machine in just slightly different color and with different branding. But servicing / upgrading / maintaining the whole Elitebook like was always pretty great - had few of them across several generations (since Core 2 Duo era), HP provides all drivers, documentation, easy access to all important components.
@owaistnt Рік тому
Thank you for opening and showing the internal components. This type of reviews really help taking a decision. My last laptop ram was not upgradable it made me so uncomfortable when I was informed when I was trying to buy new Ram sticks.
@macro_concepts Рік тому
Worth a comparison to windows laptops in this segment too. shaving $100 off the sticker price is a significant improvement in terms of value
@girlsdrinkfeck Рік тому
time is money and when linux NEVER works how anyone wants it to, its not worth saving the windows licence ...
@mrjack08722 Рік тому
@@girlsdrinkfeck It is if you intend to strip the windows off the pc the moment you get it and install linux.
@Kaiwizz Рік тому
@@girlsdrinkfeck yeah, it doesn't stalk you like Windows. But I guess you love to have to be stalked.
@ArniesTech Рік тому
@@girlsdrinkfeck Linux actually works a lot as people want it to. And especially when matching Linux with suited hardware guarantees even more that everything will work fine. 🙏💪
@girlsdrinkfeck Рік тому
@@ArniesTech yes its fine when its in a preconfigured package ,but the normal PC user with a sex life cannot be arsed
@benmol_ Рік тому
3:30 that's a DC power jack, don't put AC directly into your laptop!
@benmol_ Рік тому
@Глеб Сальманов a good way to end a career !
@notvisibleconfusion Рік тому
@@benmol_ or worse Putting AC electricity into a DC battery will ki1l you
@ialrakis5173 Рік тому
Think this is a great move from HP. The first thing I noticed many years ago when playing around with Pop OS was how they managed to create a very relaxing environment purely with their color scheme.
@sebastianwendl603 Рік тому
I'm currently using Linux Mint, because it's so easy to use. But all that pop!OS-praising got me thinking, is it really THAT good?
@ialrakis5173 Рік тому
@@sebastianwendl603 i think it's best to try it in virtualbox. Never tried Linux Mint but out of Ubuntu, Debian, Pop!OS and a 4th I can't remember I liked Pop!OS best. But it was mostly for the setup and the GUI in my case.
@ManuaL46 Рік тому
@@sebastianwendl603 compared to other linux distros yeah! I'm currently using a mix of RHEL and Fedora for work n home, and yeah somethings pop just does OOTB that others don't. Also I stole the pop-shell extension from pop os and put it in fedora
@bikesandbrass Рік тому
I used to be a field tech for HP and would have to do full teardowns of laptops like this in the field and I can't even tell you how long I fought to get things like captive screws in the bottom cover. Really saved my bacon once when I had to do a full motherboard swap on the hood of my car in a parking lot. No, I'm no joking. The battery labeling for screws is awesome, but the mother board and all daughter boards are labeled where screws go and usually what they are. There's also labeling to tell you when parts are stacked, which one is the top so you don't get a thing all reassembled only to realize that this one screw was supposed to go through the keyboard THEN through the motherboard. The separate power jack is something pretty common for HPs as well which I also agree was a GODSEND when people inevitably break that gigantic barrel plug they use off.
@mamaharumi Рік тому
I typically despise HP but this actually looks very nice. Would consider it if the price is right. A second m.2 slot would have been great though.
@Smackindaface Рік тому
$1099
@Alex-jv6ye Рік тому
I was the same way, but my latest work laptop is an HP and the quality seems much higher than it used to be, think they are doing a better job now.
@tomv3999 Рік тому
I very much like having a second m.2 drive of the exact same size as my main one (Lemur Pro). I can dd the entire boot drive to the second drive if I am at all concerned that an OS upgrade or some other thing I'm doing I may want to completely roll back.
@Neojhun Рік тому
HP Z is separate division. It comes at a high price but very worth it.
@jakesullivan3017 Рік тому
@@mamaharumi if you think this slightly overpriced, I’d love to know what you’d recommend with similar specs and size
@JuiceBoxScott Рік тому
I love it when Anthony gets excited about something. Great video!
@PSYCHOV3N0M Рік тому
That nipple though! 😂
@LaczPro Рік тому
HP it's killing it about upgradability these recent years, especially if it has a Ryzen in it (I haven't used an Intel-powered one yet, but since they look almost the same, I think it's the same deal on those too). They're not exactly Framework with their modules and such, but the "HP Spare" parts have been the thing that I enjoy the most from them as a technician that repairs laptops and desktops for a living.
@LuukDomhof Рік тому
That background prop blinking around 09:04 was a nice touch!
@mavfan1 Рік тому
Oh the “Launch Keyboard Actually”. I hadn’t seen the actually version until today.
@YoloMonstaaa Рік тому
There's actually a new cheaper version of the launch keyboard.
@FengLengshun Рік тому
Pop OS is great. They made Gnome more useable and attractive to me. They also have system recovery partition that can reinstall the OS with or without preserving user data right from the GUI or from boot. And, unfortunate that it can't make it for the laptop, but in 22.10 it'll have btrfs-snapshot too apparently. They really took Linus' experiences to heart and make a system that, if not hard to screw up, then at least easy to recover, making it great for newbie and on laptop like that.
@Komatik_ Рік тому
It's a pity Pop doesn't run KDE. Tried GNOME and I just can't.
@FengLengshun Рік тому
@@Komatik_ Well, they are going to use their own DE next release. I'm going to give that one a chance. While I really like KDE, as long as I can have the Window Rules and a similarly powerful server-side window decoration (unlike gtk's pos useless csd), and a filepicker worth something, then I can live.
@crsv7armhl Рік тому
As much as Pop wants to be seen as a dev os it really isn't though.
@girlsdrinkfeck Рік тому
windos is better ,cuz it works ,only neckbeard nerds love spending 80% of their time in t nerminal making it work
@FengLengshun Рік тому
@@girlsdrinkfeck except when it decides to update and then suddenly your entire file is encrypted. I just don't have the patience for Windows anymore - I have a workflow, I've optimized my KDE for that workflow, and it is frustrating whenever I use Windows and things just doesn't work as smoothly as I want it to be despite being a paid OS. Tbh I probably wouldn't have any complain if I coule have macOS' aesthetic, reliability, and user experience but with Windows' games, prices, and extensibility. Alas, configuring Linux to work like that is the closest alternative I have.
@imperiargaming3164 Рік тому
Kudos man. You kept it very simple and helped make the first steps in soft soft. Very Helpfull! Thanks!
@biturboism Рік тому
I have used the x360 elitebooks for the last 5 years and I can recommend the HP hardware privacy screen - not the one here that is simply conveniently bad viewing angles of a cheap LCD, but an actual hardware layer on the screen with a dedicated Fn button to make the viewing angle truly fixed within a few degrees. Works amazingly well on a plane and can be turned off for normal use.
@akrizar4 Рік тому
As a developer I would say the thunderbolt connection is actuallu super important. Where I work we use "hybrid work" - meaning we work 2 days from office and 3 days from home - so ability to connect to docking stations by just one cable is suuuper important and convinient
@miff227 Рік тому
intrigued - what would I miss out on with a USB-C non-Thunderbolt docking station? Just display resolution/Hz ?
@akrizar4 Рік тому
@@miff227Mainly how much you can connect to it
@AdamM Рік тому
I’m interested in how well or not these are selling for HP. I love the idea of having this replace my MacBook as a dev laptop and we have even talked about the possibility at work for getting some for devs who want to be on Linux machines. 👍 great video here
@ShredBird Рік тому
This looks like it's based off of the new Elitebook chassis which I like a whole lot! The only thing is that the rubber on the trackpoint wore down very quickly and it was touching the screen when the laptop was closed, it would leave a visible print. But that aside, I really like the Elitebook, so this thing looks fantastic.
@andy888008800 Рік тому
13:30 I like how Anthony closes it up without replacing the memory/NVME shield.
@cromefire_ Рік тому
Thunderbolt is always super useful, if you have too many screens, 20Gbps (especially 10Gbps) is just not enough for like 3 screens, depending on the resolution.
@DubCity Рік тому
It looks exactly like the Z book by HP that I use for work. They are actually good laptops, really expensive tho.
@kornkernel2232 Рік тому
Reminds me alot of Elitebooks as well from one of my old work which I did some basic troubleshooting. The board is very serviceable and really a godsend. This looks like a rebranded Elitebook or Probook to me, which is great. I wish consumer grade laptops were like this.
@NPzed Рік тому
Its the same chassis just different internals. The ZBook Firefly and IIRC Studio and Elitebooks typically have several models with the same chassis but different specs. This has been going on for years through the various generations.
@Jimster481 Рік тому
Yes this is the Elitebook 840? I've dealt with these before, they look the same on the inside and out basically.
@ChatGPT1111 Рік тому
With only a single 720p camera and no touchscreen, a ripoff too.
@NVAfilm Рік тому
@@kornkernel2232 a e r
@michaelbrinkman1350 Рік тому
You are right the shield you forgot to put back in is an RF shield for FCC compliance, but it also blocks the memory RF emissions from interferring with the Wifi operation which can be negatively effected by memory bus speed transmissions.
@AdamsWorlds Рік тому
I like it, i have a probook g640 atm, they keyboard lights up whats super useful. It also under the cover is simple to repair and replace parts. HP are doing well in reparability and upgradability imo.
@peterhoburg Рік тому
I have had the Dev one since launch, and it is fantastic. I just want to clarify a couple of things. It can change via USB-c It can be upgraded to 64 GB of ram The battery lasts for a long time It supports 2 external 4k 60 monitors + the built-in one The keyboard is great It runs very cold when not compiling something Overall a fantastic laptop. Best in class for $1100. Pop-os is one of, if not the best, Linux distros.
@richiemohanty5107 Рік тому
What's the battery life like in real world usage. Would uoi recommend this for a travel book? I am looking for one that let's me work on different projects while. I'm on the move.
@johnh1353 Рік тому
Brings me back, i'm a computer/software engineer and in my younger days would always sport the Sony Vaio SZ line of laptops (the best next to the MBP), this HP gives me the SZ kinda vibe (minus all the latest tech in the laptop eco system)
@idjdbrvvskambvvv9007 Рік тому
god i miss vaio and their micro tweaking
@xirxes Рік тому
As someone who has repaired or upgraded HP laptops a bunch over the years, shout out to those exposed captive screws on the bottom plate. They definitely have a habit of hiding screws under rubber feet on the consumer grade laptops, and this laptop avoiding that makes me really happy.
@themisterchristie Рік тому
The arrow keys are the same as on my Elitebook 850 G3 and are actually very easy to use. As a note though, if you use the arrow keys for gaming it can be easy to accidentally hit SHIFT instead of the up arrow when working fast. In regards to the barrel connector for the power, being mounted to the chassis with a cable to the motherboard is the same setup my wife's HP Pavillion from 2009 has. I had to replace the connector on it a few years ago.
@KevinFarleyWV Рік тому
At times I really want one of these. Then I think of all the quality issues I've had with the last few HPs I've bought for work and I have to wonder if it would have the same overheating issues I've had on 3 different laptop models so far.
@t5alx136 Рік тому
I installed Pop OS just a day ago, the timing is spot on!
@thedoctajon Рік тому
I'm only hearing about it today. how do you like it?
@Lockdown335 Рік тому
might have to check it out as im starting to dabble in linux
@ent2220 Рік тому
I use Fedora. PopOS is also really good.
@markhamlin5303 Рік тому
I feel like you should switch. PopOS is genuinely a mid Linux distro. Arch is better for more experienced users
@Ankush.8 Рік тому
Zorilla is one of the best for new users coming from Windows
@anon77_65 Рік тому
Love your reviews! They are amazing detailed and the kind of things I would look out for.
@TheAnoniemo Рік тому
My old HP workstation had buttons for left, right, and middle mouse clicks. As someone that uses middle mouse all the time that was a great feature and I don't understand why no other laptops have that...
@therodyman700 Рік тому
I work with HP enterprise laptops quite alot. Compared to Dell and Lenovo, it's really no contest. HP is head and shoulders above the competition in build quality and stability. Due to lack of stock we had to buy a bunch of Dell hardware and we've had nothing but issues with them, from hardware issues to BIOS issues to firmware updates that BSOD bootloops the fucking things. issues we've barely experienced with HP in the last 4 years
@MS-lw1pd Рік тому
Dell is the worst, the hardware they give or advice is on of the worst.
@austinverlinden2236 Рік тому
HPE is for server/enterprise equipment. You might be thinking HP Inc. which is a different company that produces Commercial and consumer desktops, laptops, etc
@fraznofire2508 Рік тому
Lenovo Thinkpads are still the nicest feeling devices on the market, the rubberised texture really gives a premium feel over the standard aluminium everyone else uses.
@thatwolffe3802 Рік тому
@@MS-lw1pd My older dell Vostro Is pretty fantastic, and I hate dell, it can do some light gaming with the nvidia MX graphics but what I use it for is basic spreadsheet work and some video & photography editing, it has 2 M.2 slots, upgradable ram and is super easy to access it all. all for £250 used I did need to fit a second stick of ram to unlock proper performance, went from 30fps 900p med in overwatch to 75-80fps 1080p med
@ashar8192 Рік тому
on the consumer side: they lock down the option to limit the battery charge to their expensive lineups, like the Envy
@DamianMontero Рік тому
What a wonderful review and getting into everything and yes. That is definitely my next laptop. Anthony, you always do a great job and always enjoy your reviews!
@sebastianwendl603 Рік тому
Now the question is: Because the laptop is awesome, or because Anthony reviewed it? Because everything reviewed by Anthony is automatically more interesting
@dallenbaldwin3484 Рік тому
I mean I get the arrow keys make sense with the keyboard configuration, but as someone who's had multiple laptops with that style arrow keys... You never get used to it and it's always annoying when you aren't looking at your hands to type.
@ZachStein Рік тому
That reminds me a lot of my Elitebook 845G8 that I use for development. Looks a lot like it in almost every way, same specs too. Looks almost exactly the same except with a dark finish instead. Based on my experience with the Elitebook, I highly recommend this thing.
@leetween7232 Рік тому
This is the same chassis as the laptops I work on for my job and the metal is SO soft they really can’t take any hits. And to replace the keyboard you have to disassemble the entire computer and it’s attached to the top deck.
@Ray_TambaBudol_Marcos Рік тому
This laptop is good specially configured for Linux, the hardware can be seen in many different laptops but what makes this unique verse other laptop is the free PopOs support, which the ticketing system is already built in. So yeah definitely a winner.
@godliket5092 Рік тому
My last daily driver laptop was an old hp sleekbook I was happy with it and after windows started to bog it down a switch to an early version of pop os was actually my go to. One thing I was surprised was even a 2013 model laptop from HP it was still similar to the internals of this one. Captive screws easily swappable parts. I mean I ran this dude from 13 to 2020 lol
@PhilUKNet Рік тому
I loved the TrackPoint on my old IBM ThinkPads. Didn't think I would ever see one again.
@needlessoptions Рік тому
Just got my 12th gen Framework laptop for dev work but this honestly looks way better. Shame they only ship to US otherwise I would probably send the Framework back lol.
@DJM24862 Рік тому
But does it come with lvm and a separate home partition? Otherwise I’ll have reinstall anyway lol would love to try PopOS
@mndlessdrwer Рік тому
Captive screws are one of the best things. I so wish that more companies used them. Unfortunately, they do take up ever so slightly more space, so it might not be feasible with the thinnest of ultralight laptops.
@asireprimad Рік тому
Interesting product. Great overview. If you want to go thinner and lighter, you can go with thinkpad x1 (i use gen7), with almost the same, with usb charging (i find it more convenient) but however soldered RAM (nvme still replaceable) and you have yourself to install linux in your flavour of choosing on it.
@stephanepiquemal8297 Рік тому
A pretty neat laptop, I wish I could find it in Europe as well.
@grammy2838 Рік тому
Thunderbolt is useful for developers for high bandwidth docks, especially if you work in more than one location.
@blackomegax Рік тому
Yep. Getting 3 4K monitors going you either need TB or you're stuck with sub-par DisplayLink usb-c docks. Plain USB-C docks without displaylink or TB are usually just 1 displayport and no MST.
@TimRichardson_GrowthPath Рік тому
@@blackomegax AMD currently means no Thunderbolt, but on the other hand, it's an AMD CPU (and iGPU). That's the tradeoff.It's one I'd make in a heartbeat.
@EmceeJoseph Рік тому
I like the half-height left and right arrow keys featured on some dell laptops better than half-height up+down paired with full-height left+right.
@jirisolnicka2146 Рік тому
It really reminds me of my Dell Vostro 5515 w Ryzen 5700U. Same cover on webcam, same screw design, also modular (RAM 2X and full size M.2). Also, Dell is all metal except the bottom cover. Keyboard up and down arrows same too.
@prizim4827 Рік тому
i wish more laptops would just come with a usb-c charging port
@njbrx Рік тому
same tbh, i just want to use one single cable and charge all my tech devices
@HimmelWeint Рік тому
That is cool but I would also like it if instead of just having 1 USB-C port for charging have it like have 3 or 4 USB-C ports that can also do charging so if you want you can charge it from the left side of the device for right handed people or the reverse side if you are right handed. And if they were all capable of charging say you had something plugged into the port that should be used for charging you don't have to unplug that device to charge the laptop.
@starfox863 Рік тому
No, barrel ports are more reliable
@VioletRM Рік тому
@@starfox863 dont care, dont want a million different chargers
@cptcrogge Рік тому
You can charge all recent HP laptops via USB-C as well, even the rather old Elitebook G5 can be charged via USB-C. I think its great that HP offers multiple ways to charge the laptop, this way you can use the USB-C ports for other purpose or ignore a broken port.
@UpLateGeek Рік тому
This looks pretty great. I would totally consider it for a work laptop if it had an Ethernet port, which is pretty much mandatory for a network engineer.
@branislavavramovic2601 Рік тому
You can alaways buy a USB Type-C hub with the Ethernet port on its end. It works great on my device.
@UpLateGeek Рік тому
@@branislavavramovic2601 If I'm in the back of a rack, I just want to plug an Ethernet cable into the side of my machine and use it. I don't want to go searching for a dongle (you never have it when you need it), and baby this thing sticking out the side of my machine to make sure I don't accidentally pull it out or knock it on the rails as I'm pulling the laptop out of the rack.
@branislavavramovic2601 Рік тому
I'm mainly working from home and I don't have these issues, but I guess you are right.
@fattydaddytaddy Рік тому
Barrel is a nice option if you don't want your type c taken up just for charging. As long as it does both its fine. Also display port over type c is similar enough to thunderbolt.
@Etaripamai47 Рік тому
I have a very similar hp/z laptop for work and I am veeeeery surprised at how nice it is. The keyboard has no business being as good as it is, and there is very little flex. The track pad is okay but a little mushy. Seriously a pretty solid machine.
@jackuzy Рік тому
It is by far a HP Elitebook G8 845 with Ryzen 7 and POP OS Linux by default, everything look very similar, even the internals ... Nice looking laptop, my Win 10 elitebook just gets fingerprints all over those alu covers and it for some reason goes 100C doing almost nothing (like third of max load) .... I never liked HP to be ohnest.... and this elitebook doesn't get me eather ....
@DavidAlsh Рік тому
Would love to see an ARM based Linux laptop. I am hoping Asahi get cranking soon and we can use that as a daily driver - but that's several years away
@elumiomerk4013 Рік тому
May I ask, what is Asahi? I saw the GaryExplains video, that's all I know about this topic.
@DavidAlsh Рік тому
@@elumiomerk4013 it's Linux with drivers for the M1/M2 SoC
@elumiomerk4013 Рік тому
@@DavidAlsh oooh that's interesting
@Rikorage Рік тому
Honestly, that barrel connector will probably last longer than the cables it comes with, unless you're really really really bad about not tripping over cables. I work in a place that this is a lot of those types of laptops, and that is an extremely small, I've never seen it technically, issue for a breakage for HP laptops.
@MrTurbo_ Рік тому
Looks pretty awesome but no touchscreen is a bit disappointing, although I'd have 3 screens connected to it 90% of the time so it's not too much of an issue
@danielwoodruffe7881 Рік тому
The key to them actually finding success with products like these in industry will be all in the aftermarket support. The reason Macs are so popular as industry provided development environments is because they can provide all in one support for the product and upgrade lifecycle. HP are maybe one of the few companies that have that level of scale, so I'm rooting for them. I'd love to be able to work every day on one of these babies instead of a Macbook.
@SaemGhani Рік тому
I'd buy it and the mouse in a heart beat if they were available in Canada.
@bogackaynak6728 Рік тому
Thanks for a short and on point review. It looks like a well thought machine visually but it is crippled without a thunderbolt port. Nowadays, there are lots of developers writing code for specialized PCIe cards. Moreover, it is also good to add an eGPU when needed for future proofing. At this time of the computer technology, not adding even a single thunderbolt port or usb4 port depicts how skimpy HP is on their products. Do they think "developers only need a typewriter in linux" like this? I guess they can't comprehend versatilty.
@Targetlockon Рік тому
Very nice modularity and review of what this offers 👍
@th0m Рік тому
3:30 I could be wrong, but I'm nearly certain that's DC in not AC.. Would be a ton of additional bulk and heat if they integrated the ac-dc adapter inside the laptop.
@LitteralBeans Рік тому
Looks pretty cool my guy
@francoisschoeman5350 Рік тому
The keyboard is almost identical to my HP EliteBook 850... except for the lack of a numpad and the small arrow keys, it's the best keyboard I've ever used on a laptop...
@meikgeik Рік тому
I love having camera shutters. My HP Envy x360 has a button that activates a LCD shutter in addition to disabling it in windows. It's pretty freakin cool.
@notproplayer3649 Рік тому
Really looking solid, good quality all around, no real downsides and good price. This is why I like HP, I now currently have a envy x360, and this is also all around great for a good price. Even though it came with windows I installed Linux on it and I have got zero complaints. This dev one seems to replicate the great experience I have with my HP but is even better, bigger screen, more upgradeable, more powerful, better hinge and even if I'm loosing the touchscreen with it, I never really used it in the first place. I also love the direction they are taking by collabing with system 76.
@pldcanfly Рік тому
Go HP! If I had the money to spare, that would be a nice upgrade over my old tuxedo laptop. I hope they continue with supplying linux-machines and it not being just a one-off.
@aha8969 Рік тому
Maybe it's a dev-one-off
@this_is_japes7409 Рік тому
8:00 really wish that this is just more common practice even if most people don't completely read through it, having it transparent enough, so that the people they trust that do care enough to read it can give it a checkmark, just helps both us who know privacy is being slowly weathered away at us at every point and the developers and pc manufacturers not meaning to do anything malicious but still need some data to help them for better troubleshooting and diagnostics.
@xxzmk Рік тому
I love the keyboard of hps more expensive product line up. My company gave me the ZBook Fury G7 and it runs very good.
@sojourner4726 Рік тому
If only HP logo wasn’t hideous. But I’m excited to see pop OS being released on a major brand laptop with great build quality. Also as someone with a similar balding pattern as Anthony seeing him on camera confidently going over what he does makes me feel more confident in how I look. I feel silly for admitting it, but it’s the truth.
@mastersamoyed6040 Рік тому
like the style
@ivanponomarev2208 Рік тому
Thanks Anthony! 2 things: 1. Would really recommend to add to the next videos like that information about usb-c docking/dongles capabilities, in particular information about support of video-signal over usb-c. I have mate book pro from huawei, it would be the best device ever, if it would support video signal over usb-c, because i can't use it with a single "usb-c" dongle (even official one), because i have to put my hdmi from dongle directly to the laptop.... Which is really ugly. 2. Barrel type of charger is terrible in our days, and they had to use usb-c instead..... To be honest, if not a barrel charger - i would consider to buy this one....
@crimestoppers1877 Рік тому
Excellent review! Thanks!
@MadsonOnTheWeb Рік тому
Those internals are the minimal in how every laptop should be built by default. Now it is a niche product. Only missing thing in there is a socketed processor.
@shresthkumarlal285 Рік тому
Thickpad supremacy 🙏
@glbernini0 Рік тому
Amazing to see how times are changing for laptops! User upgradeabilty is great to see again. Hopefully Frameworks influence will continue to spread!
@12gark Рік тому
This is a probook chassis. They've this serviceable since forever. Decades before frameworks was a thing
@junaidqadirb Рік тому
Love it! Might well be my next laptop as I have a rusty old Hp ProBook G5 450 maxed out
@Joseph1NJ Рік тому
Nicely done, I actually like the laid back cadence of his speech.
@TheJackiMonster Рік тому
I really hope we see more laptops designed to run Linux out of the box in the future. I think this is intended to be the first step for HP testing how it goes with developers. So they have enough time to train their support to help mass users in later iterations of Linux machines. Definitely a good thing to see given that there shouldn't be any big hardware or driver issues with such machines.
@AhPook Рік тому
This laptop just literally proves that it's a choice for things not to be upgradable and serviceable by consumers.
@JimmyMaiden93 Рік тому
I work as a service technician for a big Telecom company, and we use exclusively HP business laptops, and can confirm all of them are built like this.
@PearComputingDevices Рік тому
I have a HP probook x360 G8, basically the same guts as the Dev one and yes, I must say for an HP product I am extremely impressed. Yes, of course it's running linux and I used the Pop OS installer to extract the HP specifics debs and installed it on Ubuntu. All works very, very well. No nub though. But the touch screen works fantastically, though I never take advantage of that feature. It really is in every way a decent linux development choice. I've owned Dell Latitude series notebooks for years and this is easily just as (shockingly) decent option.
@someoneelse7629 Рік тому
I got an tear in my eye when I saw the RF shielding, and then you din't put it back!!!! As a ham radio operator, a quiet RF enviroment is avsolutely necessary for me, and I hope the new LTT-lab will be testing it.
@kiri101 Рік тому
Linode's basically the only sponsor that I have any positive sentiment about - I hope they're still cool like back in the day
@AverageSneedEnjoyer Рік тому
They are entirely cromulent
@CoolSilver Рік тому
I've loved them for ages. Now owned by Akamai I hope they continue being amazing
@yewtewb3628 Рік тому
I see lots of malware and phishing campaigns hosted there lol
@ReaperUnreal Рік тому
As a dev this looks like a REALLY solid laptop and I want it. If only it were available in my country. :(
@alksdng97834y Рік тому
Just look at elite books they are the same exact thing
@kbhasi Рік тому
Try getting a HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel based) or 845 G8 (AMD based), and spec it out to be similar to or even better than the Dev One. It'll be more expensive, though, and you'd have to create a 'super' sticker to cover up the Windows logo key on the keyboard. Plus, you get the options of going smaller or larger as there are 13" and 15" models if I recall correctly. The last time I checked earlier this year, it seems that HP charges more to order them without Windows licences, so I'd recommend getting it with Windows, then creating a Clonezilla image of the factory image before erasing the internal storage and installing Pop OS.
@zimbu_ Рік тому
I'd recommend the HP ZBook line. I'm guessing either HP or System76 is apprehensive about doing an international release if they don't have market research to tell them how many PopOS laptops to make in each region. HP is a big OEM so their normal production runs involve things like separate keycaps for each QWERTY Nordic country depending on if the letter Ø or Ö is used.
@TheMuso28 Рік тому
@@alksdng97834y The core of the machine may be the same, but the extra accessories like the wireless card and webcam may be incompatible with Linux, or may be buggy. At least with the Dev 1 you can be sure that everything will work with Linux.
@smartsalmon1 Рік тому
I've had this since launch. My only gripes are dual booting doesn't seem to work and 16:10 screen would be nice. I'm looking forward to an HP Dev 2 with the little improvements but I absolutely love the Linux experience on it. And I run ParrotOS as this is a pentesting machine for me and it's totally stable zero issues on that or the various other distro I tried it on.
@slembcke Рік тому
Augh. I have a ~3 y/o Lemur Pro that's totally fine, but I kinda have the upgrade feels anyway, and the dev one is currently deeply discounted. Maybe they are selling it off, or making room for a next revision. On the other hand, not excited about the poor viewing angles or the severe downgrade in battery life. (The Lemur gets almost 20 hours doing light dev. Almost 30 if I stretch it!)
@smartsalmon1 Рік тому
@@slembcke I feel ya. I'd say to wait a bit to see if a Dev 2 is around the corner but who knows how long that could be. Battery life diff is massive though. I don't have an issue with viewing angles personally and I use a matte screen protector. 20 hours of time between charges of actual programming usage is fantastic and I don't think I'd buy something new just yet if it was me and I had a 3 year old machine that I assume has decent hardware.
@cptcrogge Рік тому
The Elitebook 835, 845 and 865 G9 offers 16:10 and faster hardware.
@mkonji8522 Рік тому
I love this. So close but just missing a way to scroll and middle click with the track point. ThinkPads do this right.
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