They're renovating the facade, but we all know that if you need to get deep into settings, you're gonna have to deal with ancient menus from windows 7

Apple took major parts of IOS and ported them to MacOS and Marcus questions whether Windows is acting like a phone? They're all converging at this point.

You guys host well together!

What if Microsoft has mobile devices in the works that run full Windows & Android apps on the fly . Maybe thats what this interation of Windows is working towards . A flexible OS that does everything and works on all form factors ..... That'd be cool

I'd rather have Google or even Microsoft know my activities on my PC rather than Amazon. Pure preference

i think people are focusing too much on "android apps on your PC" as in desktop or laptop, i think microsoft made windows 11 to make their surface line much more compelling against iPads. every review of a surface says "its good but you need at least the keyboard cover, but the ipad is very touch friendly" along with APPS! now windows has desktop apps AND android apps. a surface just got a lot more compelling all the sudden. surfaces have been seen more as productivity based, i think they're trying to capture the loungey nature of iPads, get ur tiktok, instagram, ect (they even said during the presentation "a keyboard or mouse isnt needed anymore" along with redesigning their virtual keyboard that looks exactly like android/ios/ipados keyboard) meanwhile iPads are trying to feel more productivity based, perhaps they're doing such a good job microsoft now has to say "hey, we do productivity AND play", they can no longer just sit back and be the no-brainer choice for workloads as iPads get better and better every year. (debatable choice partnering with amazon and not saying "btw u can sideload" during the presentation, considering how people feel about amazon rn)

Everyone: Windows is too inconsistent and too complex, it sucks! Microsoft: Simplifies everything and actually made moves to make the OS user friendly Everyone: Windows is too oversimplified, it acts like a phone now Microsoft: 👁️👄👁️

The android apps will be ok on two in ones with touch (not that I’m interested). I really like that you can now uninstall any app by right clicking on it, without being pushed to add\ remove programs. Centred start is awesome on ultrawide monitors.

There’s a real disadvantage to buying games through the Microsoft store: it doesn’t allow you to change or add content in the game folders at all, which eliminates the ability to do any third party modding.

Whatsapp for business on Windows would be a life saver for businesses, no more useless phone to keep charged all the time.

The difference between our phones and our desktop computers are smaller than they would like us to think. With a decent desktop mode and HDMI output a phone can handle 80% of the average person's consumer needs and virtually all the administrative needs.

this duo is strong i'm hyped about this !!! 🔥🔥

CPUs are the main Problem, minimum 8-Gen Intel required. MS looking into the 7-th Gen, to accept it or not. TMP 2.0 is older than 3 years, Surface Book 1 has it built-in as a chip, but has the 6-th Gen Intel CPUs.

TPM 1.2 was NOT common when it was current. It was an extra module that mostly only business laptops got. TPM 2.0 is, as of right now, the minimum requirement for Windows 11.

Fun seeing David Imei back in front of the camera. Keep on hustling MK and DI

I love the way you two walk us through a topic!

I think David and Marques makes a great pair for these talks

The UI needs to change when in touch screen mode. Some of the Touch Screen changes they made in 11 is good, others are terrible. When in touch screen: 1) Full screen Start Screen 2) Bring back swipe from the left to switch windows 3) Auto-hide (or completely hide the taskbar when in touch mode 4) Context menus should be larger when in touch screen but smaller when in desktop mode (instead of always larger like now) 5) Trouch Friendly versions of office, Windows explorer, and edge (but again only when in touch mode) This would really make windows convertibles something awesome.

It's a year old but now we need more videos with him like this. I don't want this video to end lol. That's how nice it is!

I love the touch screen improvements! I've never used my Surface Pro 7 as much as I do now with the Windows 11 preview installed. I also agree that I can't think of a lot of Android apps I'd want on my Surface Pro 7 but there is one that I've always wanted on my Surfaces (Surface Pro 2017 (5), 7 and Surface Book 3). And that is a good Kindle app. That will likely be the first Android app I download to my Surface :-)

9:20 I have a touchscreen laptop and it would be amazing to be able to run a few Android apps directly on my laptop. Also, in the past, Android studio has been a gigantic pain for developing apps on Windows. Maybe this is paving a way for a more "integrated" experience?

Windows 11 reminds me a lot of that weird dual-screen phone that came out along with a updated Android launcher. I dont hate it, there are a lot of things I like but knowing Microsoft, I'm really on the fence. I kind of don't like how windows keeps trying to copy inferior products (like chromeOS), but if they actually do allow android apps to run (not holding my breath) that would be really cool because some of the minor issues I've had with windows 10 would disappear if I could just use the mobile version of the apps I use. Some apps don't scale or respond properly to that screen-splitting thing that windows has done since 8.

yo davids a pretty good host ngl was only thinking to watch 2min of the video, in the end i watched everything. woah u guys are great

Short and fun. Great discussion!

Running Windows 11 on 5000 series chip, and it's pretty darn smooth! I don't get why it requires 8000 chips tho, it seems unnecessary

Love how their WiFi is MKBHQ

Welcome to the return of Windows 8.1. I guess we wanted a touch screen interface all along.

I never thought I'd like this podcast so much!!!

I would run the Spotify android app. The windows version lags on startup regardless of what machine I’ve tried it on.

The android apps on windows is a huge deal for people like me who emulate android games on windows for a better experience than on phone.

9:16 when he said that it clicked in my head: 2 in 1 convertible laptops! I have one of those. It's probably the intended use case for this feature. I hope they are implemented in a way that makes the touch interaction the same as the mobile versions. I have a really bad time using my notebook on touch mode, because it doesnt work like a mobile phone or tablet. For example: when you enlarge a photo in the watsapp app, you cant pinch to zoom in and out!

One thing I'm excited for is better support for traditional win32 programs being available on the store and using it similar to a Linux package manager to get all your updates in one place

I just wish they wouldn't try to slap a phone-like UI in our faces, treating a big keyboardless AIO like Surface, a notebook and a desktop *differently than what they are:* _'overly informative' machines._

I think Windows believed that iPadOS 15 was gonna f*ck up their laptop/tablet hybrids and they put special attention on touch screens in this update and tried to make it feel like iPads.

An advantage for store on windows that I just realized although I still don't use the store much but I have to point this out, is that you can start the download for all the apps you'll ever want and let them download in a queue and they will install automatically, especially if you're busy, you don't have to wait for an installer to finish downloading then you come and go through it's setup before you're finally done and can use the software. It saves time, and if the windows store gets more good apps and include more popular freeware us use, it will be convincing to me.

for the record, TPM 2.0 is required but you can bypass that, but secure boot is a fundamental thing your motherboard must support it and the compatibility checker MKB talked about just let you know if your PC eligible or not but it will not activate the secure boot for you, you have to do it your self

That quick settings menu looks almost identical to ChromeOS.

Windows phones are set to make a comeback . That's what this app store is all about

MORE EPISODES WITH DAVID 🙌🏻

Many many laptops with windows have touchscreens today, Android apps were something always missing for me and some friends with windows tablets.

It's amazing how they not once think about how great this would be with people with disabilities

What he's trying to say is, Microsoft is making it more usable with both touch input and legacy input.

This video is on my feed for the past 6 days so I had to watch it.

Speaking only about the app store, I feel like I'm one of the few people who use it regularly. I had a Windows 7 PC a long time ago, which was stolen from me (sad face) and didn't get another PC for many years. I skipped Windows 8 altogether (thank God) and now have a Windows 10 PC. I go to the Store to find apps first, such as Spotify or Audible, then go to the websites if I can't find it.

6:13 GNU/Linux users with package managers laughing in the background

Something sounded weird with the audio but still great video.

Well made and I agree definitely, never used the app store.

I have a pretty modern pc, but I had to tinker in my bios settings to make me Windows 11 compatible. I have a gaming PC but I am pretty new to building and pc stuff so it was quite scary going into my bios to make my pc windows 11 complient, but hey here I am now with official windows 11 running like a champ

When i was Updating My Bios Suddenly power went off for 15mins it was okay since motherboards have 2 bios in them but when i restarted the motherboard after 20 Mins the power went of again now i have a fucked up motherboard with no bios.... 😂 They Said they were making Wires Underground From Poles to clean up messy Internet wires

I'm more worried about the Intel 7th or 8th gen necessity. I'm running an i7-6800K and that one wouldn't do

I wonder how surface book touch screen translates to the apps. Also, I think the whole point of the 'android app on windows' factor, is just 'edit in resolve, upload to instagram (or tiktok or whatever) and see it native kinda.'

the most funny thing about the centered start button is, that it's not centered. the windows logo/start button is the start point of a centered task bar that ends with whatever program you added last leaving the button itself somewhere on the left side in the middle of nowhere.

This guy I can listen to for long ... Even MKBHD seems scared he may say something to offend one of the big companies ...

Disappointed at this show so decided to draw your attention to some points: First and foremost, when a new version of an operating system arrives, drivers are the main concern. As for the UI, I would say ditching flat design after these years is a proper move. And how can you talk about something like windows store that have never used? Is lighter? Is it as stable as it is expected to be? The technical menu is confusing like in win 10? There are loads of questions that you don’t even bother to think about not some optional features like installing android apps or not …

Yo! David is back on the show. 👌

5:40 also region issues. a lot of apps and more specifically games are region locked and can't be downloaded specifically from the game store even if your device is compatible so side loading or going via another store like apkpure/tap tap/qooapp is the way to go for example, none of nintendo's directly relased games, like mario kart tour, pixelmon, pokemon masters EX, dragalia lost and so on can be downloaded if you're from south africa

Personally I don't give a damn about the app store thing, if the Amazon apps work then more power to them. Me being a student, there have been times where I wish I had a specific mobile app that I needed on my PC and had to go to my phone to get. The app gap on Windows was a generational curse. What other way were they going to have regular mobile apps running because devs have been made up their mind on whether they wanted to make apps for Windows or not.

I like Windows 11, It's a shame that I can't run it with my current laptop :(

I think Microsoft can make mobile apps work well, apps designed for touch. We already have a touchpads or trackpads on PC, finding a way to allow it perform certain touch inputs through that could work. Quick look for pc allows me to scroll images with my mouse or trackpad (using gestures) when I'm zoomed in.. Windows default picture app doesn't allow. I'd have to click and drag.. So for scrolling, that could come in handy, I mean, windows has all the gestures... You could take your mouse over the app and start performing these actions.. Right click for double tap, click for tap..

I'd preferably have the start menu on the left rather than center. Especially on a tablet or 2 in 1 simply because the center is much farther from the thumb.

A phone Windows 10 or 7... imagine trying to do anything with it. Better UI should always be welcomed

The windows store has basically been only my Minecraft, Minecraft Dungeons and Xbox app installer when I reset a PC/had to get a new primary SSD due to dying.

I've been using windows 11 for a while now and I really like the UI

It looks like phone? I thought it looked like a really sweet looking linux distro but with bloat lol

i like this guy waaay more than the other guy

I love style of MKBHD

I had to convert my system drive's NTFS partition to a GUID in Safe Mode using CMD, enable Secure Boot with TPM in the BIOS, in order to satisfy the PC Health Checker since it never told me what was wrong. I had to figure everything out myself. I'm sure there's a smoother way of rolling it out than this, even for the devs.

Many things are getting worse.

I feel different about the store. I've always been sideloading apps in Windows. I'd love to have everything downloadable from the Store. Like, Chrome, Steam, Epicgames Launcher, Discord, WinRAR, Notepad ++ and everything else. It would be really easy and very new to Windows yes but we've been doing that in our phones so why should it be any different in PCs.

More touch optimized icons. Can be used with touch as well as mouse/ touchpad.

I think getting apps from the online Microsoft Store should generally be encouraged, especially for stuff not from major software companies. First, you’re less likely to accidentally download an unofficial version of the app and infect your machine with malware. Second, stuff from the Microsoft Store is generally at least partially sandboxed, so it’s less likely to screw up your machine, especially your registry, and uninstalls are cleaner. Third, the apps will generally use the unified auto update system provided by the Microsoft store, so you don’t have a million auto update apps on your machine running constantly and periodically contacting the internet to see if an update is available.

MS and Apple: Should we go to an app store or browser? Meanwhile Linux: Go to your terminal to add apps

5:30 Linux users: Hey I've seen this one! Windows users: What do you mean you've seen this? It's brand new. (i'm referring to using an app store on the desktop, not running android apps)

I want shortcut icon on the desktop looks more modern and clean 🥺

since the release of m1 chip, ability to run ios apps on apple silicon macs natively is a really big deal for developers, the only option for microsoft is to embracing android on W11 but due to the architecture difference between x86-64 and ARM, id say don't expect too much

they trying to act like Mac lol

"They needed simplification for people to know how to use it" - I knew how to use windows since the beginning of the OS. Seems that people today are much dumber then they were a few decades ago. As my friend said: "Every year phones are smarter, and people are dumber".

This centre is became it supports android apps now which are majorly used in portrait orientation and apps are optimised for it so in order to fit and get extra space it’s in centre it’s funny for a early 2000 kid that things went from a computer to a smartphone and now it’s vice versa

The guy on the left is correct- I'd love to try out the beta, but I barely know what a computer's Bios is. From what I understand of stuff like video game consoles and computers, I think it's like a layer that's deeper than the OS? Idk I'll just wait for the official launch of 11

It’s not acting like a phone. It’s acting like MacOS lmao.

let an American talk without a script, and they will say 'like' a million times a minute.

It's like Windows 8 part 2 but without live tiles, to change connection or sound output you need EXTRA step towards the new control center and that's sucks since desktop has large size screen unlike smartphone.

I think they should colour their icons. Specially in the settings menu. Because all of them look same at first glance. And it would be mush easier to find yellow half moon 🌙 icon to turn on sleep or focus mode. Instead only white icons.

Windows 11 is turning simply into a android OS.

If it is a "scary thing" to know your own PC's settings in the BIOS, you should not use a PC. Use a tablet or a phone instead, but not a PC FFS!

I'm a Ham Radio Operaters will use Android apps like Robot 36 use for Slow Scan TV, I use My PC for My SDR Play RSP DX Receiver and Aldalm Pluto SDR with SDR Angel Software for DATV Reception!

I'm excited for android apps on Windows because I had to use an emulator to run Moon+ Reader on my laptop. If someone knows a better alternative that is "native" to windows, let me know.

@8:50 you can now do it without pressing ctrl+shift+i

So if your someone who uses the Microsoft eco system in the work place, this makes perfect scenes. My company is Microsoft based and we have Surface laptops Books/Laptops and tablets all over the place. The touch screen life is real.....Like honestly with the Hub and Onedrive and Teams the Microsoft ecosystem in the work space honestly is on another level. Lets also not forget the Surface Duo yup....thats a thing and I myself and a few others have one and welp works great in the work space but with Windows 11 if it works even better....this will be a game changer. Oh and looks like people have gotten windows 11 to work smoothly on just about everything RP's, Old windows phones, Old arm surface tablets if its this easy to run we I wouldnt be shocked if windows 11 was on everything.

For me, it's pretty common to sideload apps on Android from the F-Droid store. There are many apps on the F-Droid repository that don't even exist on the play store (ignoring the fact that if you upload an app to the play store that google adds stuff to your app that the developer can't control).

You two kept us throughout the video. The guy sitting next to Marques is doing great. Sry i'm going to check his name.

personally, over a couple of years, I found myself to use the store pretty much for various apps (spotify, telegram, netflix, ubuntu, and so on) so I'm pretty happy about this restyling. But I'm more concerned about the TPM chip because to me is a risky move for the users with older pc especially in the current situation about the hardware for new pcs...

if you have a motherboard for custom built PC from the past few years or so you most likely have Firmware TPM built into your bios. for AMD the setting is most likely called fTPM and Intel its called PTT

I like the idea of centered task bar on ultrawides

WIndows has so many legacy functions, that newbies (who never used old windows OS) will never understand (like refresh desktop, safe mode, complicated taskmmngr, run software and etc). Good thing to know they started to shift towards more simplified OS, to get wider audience and get the gen z to use windows.

Only use for Android apps on Windows i think of is devs building apps no longer have to run a virtual machine. Can just build and run the apk. Might be a great dev experience.

1. Tab in file explorer and full dark mode on legacy windows panels will make windows 11 way more interesting. 2. I don't like the news in widget panel, rather have task manager, CPU, GPU, network etc stats there. 3. New windows store looks promising if all the apps actually gets there. 4. Centered start menu is good for aesthetics but bad for muscle memory. 5. There should be option to get rid of recommendation on start menu and give an option to have small taskbar icons cause most of us have 16:9 screen tall taskbar just makes it worse. 6. Option to set search offline only. 7. Need easily configurable colored folder icons for better management.

But thennnnn. . . . when you dig deeper, you still found legacy icons, layout, settings, from xp era. .

I downloaded the dev build then forgot that I was using windows 11 aside from the occasional curved edge or new alert sound

You: is windows 11 acting like a phone Me: have you heard of windows 8?!?!