Is World of Tanks Rigged?

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An analytical and statistical video essay.
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0:00:00 Intro
0:01:54 Russian Bias
0:14:42 CC RNG
0:22:42 Sigma Values
0:24:49 Mercy Shots
0:30:07 Booster's MM
0:34:23 Stats dependent RNG
0:36:42 Shadow Nerfs
0:38:01 Grille 15 Accuracy
0:39:40 Light tank MM
0:40:57 Evidence Conclusion
0:42:04 Frequency Illusion
0:43:16 Selection Bias
0:45:17 Law of Truly Large Numbers
0:48:00 Occam's Razor
0:48:52 Mindset Conclusion
0:50:06 THE GAME
0:51:45 THE PLAYER
0:52:56 THE COMMUNITY
0:56:57 Premium Store Exploit
1:02:48 WoT Alternatives
1:04:40 Is WoT Rigged?
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@chems
@chems 3 місяці тому
1:03:28 The game I was talking about is no longer under NDA, and is called Project Cold War. I’ve been playing it since the first play tests were available, it’s pretty good (for now) feel free to look it up to hear what other people have to say about it.
@rydz3442
@rydz3442 2 місяці тому
isnt that a wargaming project?
@lexydrow
@lexydrow 2 місяці тому
can confirm, it's quite different to wot in a lot of ways, but also similar enough to easily switch from one to the other. it most likely won't be nearly as p2w, if at all, which is amazing.
@nico7674
@nico7674 2 місяці тому
@@rydz3442 yeah it is
@toasterhothead3312
@toasterhothead3312 2 місяці тому
The booster arguement is sometimes used in warthunder but over on our community it’s more like a joke, not a serious conspiracy only cause u can go one game really well and the next u keep getting one shot 3 times in a row hahaha. We know it ain’t real but we gotta have some fun haha
@ArmoredWarfareGame
@ArmoredWarfareGame 5 місяців тому
So... you're welcome at Armored Warfare, Chems! ;)
@RinneganUchiha
@RinneganUchiha 5 місяців тому
Honestly Armored Warfare is a better game than WoT,even if there are a smaller number of players..
@arc00ta
@arc00ta 5 місяців тому
AW is a lot of fun, I still go back now and again to play some tanks with less stress than WoT. I haven't pplayed WoT in over a year, the other day I reinstalled it just to see and it let me play against bots for a number of matches to "warm up". Who knew the bots play better than the actual teammates I usually get? lol
@stansearcheslife6363
@stansearcheslife6363 5 місяців тому
Holy shit based but are you guys still alive?
@Sky-fk5tl
@Sky-fk5tl 5 місяців тому
does anyone have chems discord invite?
@TycipreyllThirhe
@TycipreyllThirhe 5 місяців тому
@@stansearcheslife6363 Yeah, actually! Still pretty alive, but just, not as many players compared to WoT or WT.
@Dachu_
@Dachu_ 5 місяців тому
Incredible attention to detail, quality. Other youtubers uploading battles from Twitch because they don't even want to record a new video on YT, and what you create here are completely different standards. Congratulations, keep it up.
@zGJungle
@zGJungle 5 місяців тому
Only a few days ago I realised Chems is the only WoT youtube channel with videos I will rewatch and be entertained every time. I only found out about Chems because of the Skill4ltu drama, which really opened my eyes to what sort of person Skill is, and made me realise how good Chems content is.
@chems
@chems 5 місяців тому
the kanye of wot
@rydz3442
@rydz3442 5 місяців тому
​@@chemsbro wants this title so bad and I respect it
@chems
@chems 5 місяців тому
it's a pretty accurate title i think
@le4chehenry324
@le4chehenry324 5 місяців тому
​@@chemskanye makes trash music now and you keep getting better, so it's inaccurate.
@Terrados1337
@Terrados1337 5 місяців тому
You almost got me to install that game again. But then I remembered what playing 10 bottom tier matches every afternoon after work felt like: Stockholm Syndrome. the dread of knowing the other flank will inevitably collapse while you have to do the wobble wobble cupola snipe ridgeline dance. Oh god, I think my PTSD is flaring up.
@TehButterflyEffect
@TehButterflyEffect 5 місяців тому
Yeah I had a couple of noobs in my battle a few days ago and they kept following me. They allowed the enemy tanks to flank us because they didn't stay where they could watch our backs while I fought the more dangerous tanks. We lost the entire battle because the two noobs made that mistake. They both had less than 500 battles.
@TheDennys21
@TheDennys21 4 місяці тому
Ah a fellow WoT veteran, i got out years ago and never looked back, it was hell, not worth the anger and frustration.
@deonte9014
@deonte9014 4 місяці тому
Just uninstalled. Had a session few days ago with a platoon mate and increased my wr. Very next session win 2 out of I and immediately right back to where I am. Insane misses, insane bounces, bot-like teammates, etc. The thing is this situation of getting a losing session immediately after a winning session has happened consistently many many times. Anytime my wr goes beyondna certain level it's an immediate losing streak. So I'm done.
@MasterOvPuppetz
@MasterOvPuppetz 2 місяці тому
@@deonte9014 ye but there's people like the author that don't experience this or maybe don't notice it, Idk
@johnsun3854
@johnsun3854 Місяць тому
This video does not prove that the WoT is not rigged. Only that there is a possibility it is not rigged. As the author doesn't have the actual game code they have server side.
@chems
@chems 5 місяців тому
in case you are wondering, kajzoo and dakillzor did contribute to this video, but i noticed a lot of people talking about a "claus" person, i don't know where this idea is coming from, but he is not involved with this video at all.
@Cortesevasive
@Cortesevasive 5 місяців тому
get a life
@andrekubik6652
@andrekubik6652 5 місяців тому
claus voice is here lol .2.04,, 14.52
@Tattle-by-Tale
@Tattle-by-Tale 5 місяців тому
@@andrekubik6652 Lies
@jasonpenn5476
@jasonpenn5476 5 місяців тому
they are referring to Claus Kellerman. He is a Canadian WoT CC. His voice can be heard on this video at 1:54 to 2:04 talking about Russian Bias; 14:42 to 15:00 talking about CCs getting special RNG, you even responded with "aren't you a CC?"; How could you not know who Claus is, but yet know that he is a CC?
@Trygvar13
@Trygvar13 5 місяців тому
@@jasonpenn5476 Yeah and a lot of his comments were taken out of context. Oh and if you have played the game since Day 1 you know that Russian bias was a thing for a long time and that German tanks was always getting the shorter end of the stick. That being said, great vid.
@chems
@chems 6 місяців тому
Know you waited a while, but I'm on time.
@pyxkoxd
@pyxkoxd 6 місяців тому
20 fucking days what the fuck have you been smoking
@savage_logan4649
@savage_logan4649 6 місяців тому
Lets go baby
@kamoliddinmuhiddinov6852
@kamoliddinmuhiddinov6852 6 місяців тому
Heck yeah!!!
@Garvity69420
@Garvity69420 6 місяців тому
Thanks
@piotrbiaas8119
@piotrbiaas8119 5 місяців тому
Never fails to disappoint us
@RemK96
@RemK96 5 місяців тому
I am 39 years old, who played alot of games and watched a looot of youtube videos, this , this might be the best articulated, explained and created video on youtube. Congratulations my friend, and as a humble suggestion, you should create more because obviously you are an artist
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Місяць тому
Artist is an insult to Chems. Most artists can't grasp logicalness or even logic itself, which mathematics is at its core. Only the greatest of the greats like Leonardo da Vinci combine these traits.
@APC227
@APC227 5 місяців тому
Look how they have massacred my beloved WoT
@paradeinberlin
@paradeinberlin 5 місяців тому
it was a long time coming, your stop motion videos capture the old days of WoT
@APC227
@APC227 5 місяців тому
@@paradeinberlin Yeah it's all just a shell of itself by now
@MemeMan42069
@MemeMan42069 5 місяців тому
23:00 I noticed this with the UDES (t8 medium) and a few other tanks where you'd go to the top gun and despite it having worse accuracy and gunhandling it hits far more consistently. Never knew there was a term for it. 32:50 Also I'd argue that matching up tank types is far more important than matching up skill levels.
@busdrive.
@busdrive. 5 місяців тому
I just noticed, that in your video on equipment, at the end, you showed ,,list of things Chems said that turn out to be true", one of the things is WoT will die on 30. November 2023. And this will drop in the same exact date. You have planned it from the beginning, didn't you?
@bonehunter9766
@bonehunter9766 5 місяців тому
Bigu brain moment
@pro3ification
@pro3ification 5 місяців тому
i think the russsian bias came from the time where wot was still only 4-5 nations. Back then for example a tier XI T54 med had a 500mm ring arround the tank. I think things like these fired the russian bias up
@imma5761
@imma5761 5 місяців тому
Magical russian side skirts that most players didnt know about made it most popular tbh
@teemumiettinen7250
@teemumiettinen7250 5 місяців тому
Never forget obj 268 v4, the most ridiculously overpowered tank ever seen (apart from wt e100)
@FluffyFlounders
@FluffyFlounders 5 місяців тому
Russian bias comes from easy of use that russian tanks provide (or used to) and really tricky real life physics that russian engineers used and abused when making those tanks.
@Thot-Slayer-420
@Thot-Slayer-420 5 місяців тому
@@teemumiettinen7250 we're talking old-school like 10+ years ago when the concept spaced armor on the sides of those heavies absorbing heat shells seemed crazy. That release version of the v4 is more an example of modern world of tanks when they release a new tank/tech tree that stands out for their own nation as well the rest of the game. (ebr, bz, chieftan are other examples)
@gamingmode9227
@gamingmode9227 5 місяців тому
I am playing with sconq and i miss many shots,i play with 277 feels more acurate than that sconq,i play with leo 1 missing shots arty bouncing my shoots but my stb 1 hits everything when i play with it,explain this.
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 5 місяців тому
To be fair, when QB said they paid 4400 dollars it is more rational to think that he wasnt aware of the Argentinian loop hole than to assume that he intentionally lied to his audience.
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Місяць тому
If you look at the other stuff he's doing then even more so. Also does it still work? Is it still shown in Chems' Discord?
@zavin4c609
@zavin4c609 5 місяців тому
-23:08-- sigma value means z-score, not standard deviation, it's basically standard deviation normalized against mean. For example, to get the same distribution (identically looking curve) for 0.2 and 0.4 accuracy values, the standard deviation for 0.4 has to be higher to compensate for the higher mean.- Edit: I was wrong. The above applies to damage calculation, not to shot distribution. Still, the shot spread definitely does NOT follow normal distribution, as mention by Overlord_Prime in his document. And term "sigma" is used because it is established in WoWs.
@hustlersdomain
@hustlersdomain 2 місяці тому
im a 12 year old orange shitter. i don't get a single word that came out of your mouth sir.
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Місяць тому
Then what is non-normalized standard deviation?
@zavin4c609
@zavin4c609 Місяць тому
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 You're right. I got it mixed up with the damage mechanic.
@noidea2568
@noidea2568 5 місяців тому
I like how looking at the timestamps in the description, there is an entire section dedicated to the grille 15.
@water_sponsored
@water_sponsored 5 місяців тому
The unicum of unicums. A person who taught many, strikes again. Definitely the best wot content creator.
@alittlebitintellectual7361
@alittlebitintellectual7361 5 місяців тому
If this video holds is promise( which from the timestamps, it does) this will be a bombshell reverberating through the entire wot community
@theBhavMan
@theBhavMan 5 місяців тому
​@@alittlebitintellectual7361it's pretty insightful into the wot community and how much bulshit they can come up with to make themselves feel better lmao
@jasonpenn5476
@jasonpenn5476 5 місяців тому
@@theBhavMan You do have a point... a lot of players, especially unicums, compare win rate of other players without understanding that you can be destroyed and still win, or survive and still lose. They also fail to understand that you can be a good player that constantly gets stuck on horrible teams, or a bad player who primarily gets good teams. Basically, they are using win rate to determine how good of a player you are, but win rate is a poor indicator of how good a player really is. Win rate is determined by the teams you are on, and not by the player themselves.
@mike82y
@mike82y 4 місяці тому
@@jasonpenn5476 its not just wiin rate, its wn8. you can have 100% win rate, but still a poor player
@jasonpenn5476
@jasonpenn5476 4 місяці тому
@@mike82y I have seen multiple "unicums" in ingame chat calling other players trash based off the win rate (not wn8). And you just reiterated what I have already said, you can have a great win rate and be a shitty player, but you can also be a great player and have a shitty win rate.
@kuhluhOG
@kuhluhOG 5 місяців тому
44:05 Quite frankly, this reminds me of something: When Apple introduced random music selection in their music player, it was truly random. That means that the same song can come again right after it was played. People reacted negatively and said this isn't random. So Apple made their random selection less random by preventing the same song to be played for a few songs and people reacted to it positively AND though it's more random.
@MasterOvPuppetz
@MasterOvPuppetz 2 місяці тому
yeah cause most people never really think about true random numbers or random generation. well I've studied this in my university times, also a bit of a math head and I gotta tell you rng in wargaming games is NOT random :D I play tons of board games with true random generator which is the dice, but in WOT to this day I've noticed so much manipulation it's almost fake advertising that they're doing
@panprokouk5661
@panprokouk5661 6 місяців тому
It is looking so good! Fr looks better than most WoT official videos.
@sejozwak
@sejozwak 6 місяців тому
HE CAME BACK WITH THE MILK
@thatpersoninthecomments8613
@thatpersoninthecomments8613 5 місяців тому
sejozwak jumpscare in chems comments
@sejozwak
@sejozwak 5 місяців тому
​@@thatpersoninthecomments8613lmao
@LEWTSPEC
@LEWTSPEC 5 місяців тому
2 points from a WOT beta veteran. 1. Re evaluate the game stats from WHEN the "RU is OP" claim was coined, ie. the early days when there were only 3-4 nations.. 2. Evaluate the RU RNG values for bouncing enemy fire or enemy shots doing nothing, critical damage received vs dealt. camo and spotting ratings. Essentially look into the play by play bias, not the total stats. Bonus, show the stats before and after the Type 59 was introduced, then after it was nerfed. Super bonus, look at when the Bat Chat was added.... those days caused many broken keyboards. Great vid.
@Astrothunderkat
@Astrothunderkat 5 місяців тому
type is still my best played tank somehow, 56% W/R 3k games
@vladpcgamer
@vladpcgamer 5 місяців тому
Your second point is completely explained by server lag in the earlier days
@Asghaad
@Asghaad 5 місяців тому
id start with GAME MECHANICS advantages that USED to be given to Ru machines - most notably the magically chosen "overmatch mechanic" that was "somehow" set up that guns on German or US side couldnt make use of it most of the time while "SOMEHOW" the armor values for side and roof armors on non USSR tanks were always right in the overmatch sweetspot of the russian 122 or 152mm guns magically had just right caliber to always go through where non USSR 120mm or 150mm guns would not ... while the BLATANT RU bias of old times when Serb was in charge is long since gone, some of this legacy is still in the game
@starbomber
@starbomber 5 місяців тому
40:26 I didn't actually know there was a *rotation* of maps. I mean, I guess I had heard that somewhere, but I didn't realize I was being cycled through the same set of maps on purpose.
@bobbypark1916
@bobbypark1916 6 місяців тому
How about: 1. Gather up some money as group 2. Buy the game from WG 3. Make some changes = Game good again!😲
@bonehunter9766
@bonehunter9766 5 місяців тому
Yeah but he aint Elon Musk.
@ESUIS7sg
@ESUIS7sg 5 місяців тому
🤯🤯🤯
@Nan0_07
@Nan0_07 5 місяців тому
3.1 DELETE ARTILLERY
@thevocatiousunspeakables709
@thevocatiousunspeakables709 5 місяців тому
The richest players generally prefer the game to be the way it is, so no shot
@joaoguilherme9034
@joaoguilherme9034 5 місяців тому
world of tanks costs some millions bro
@moephistopheles
@moephistopheles 5 місяців тому
Claus will be 90 in a retirement home trapped in his feedback loop ranting on Soviet bias because he didn't pen a 279e one time.
@megapet777
@megapet777 5 місяців тому
xD
@sorinancuta3934
@sorinancuta3934 5 місяців тому
U.re wrong buddy.claus is a very smart guy,he knows how to sell his stuff;)his drama is pure fake,he.s playin a roll
@foseninfo8954
@foseninfo8954 5 місяців тому
@@sorinancuta3934 True, he often says his video's are for entertainment purposes himself. Honest.
@revnitelj
@revnitelj 5 місяців тому
Claus is just a crybaby clown
@elLooto
@elLooto 5 місяців тому
Clause's conspiracy rants are damn funny. Theres also no way hes not just doing it for entertainment value. He's got a good sense of humour about himself, something that seems to be getting rare lately. Its also why he did some voiceover for this vid.
@Skizobar
@Skizobar 5 місяців тому
Thanks for this Analysis. Very nice to watch this kind of work. If you need some "more" casual Data (replays) for any further Analysis, i have around 5500 replays from July 21 till today.
@gutinmare
@gutinmare 4 місяці тому
This looks more like an academic paper than an analysis of the mechanics of a game. Amazing analysis and statistical proficiency! Hats off for this sir!!! And this is coming from someone with the account since 2012 that has played through a lot of periods and rage quit for years at one point:)) Amazing research!
@huytranvan2754
@huytranvan2754 5 місяців тому
I have never seen any WOT CC who have put so much dedication to the content like you, Chems. Good job!
@markin2067
@markin2067 5 місяців тому
and you still won't see any CC that will put this much dedication beacuse Chems isn't a CC
@R1sK-hv6yy
@R1sK-hv6yy 5 місяців тому
@@markin2067 I mean... he said he doesn't have a CC account on WOT but he is a WOT content creator. I am just pointing out what I think they meant instead of them actually misunderstanding, or not watching the video
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal 6 місяців тому
You were always the best, chems, nobody ever came close. You define art, and it defines you.
@anonimowyunkown33
@anonimowyunkown33 5 місяців тому
Chems worshipper
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal 5 місяців тому
@@anonimowyunkown33 also known as a gigachad
@SgtTraz
@SgtTraz 5 місяців тому
it was a great video but you’re brown nosing hard lmao
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal
@VylinJanKranBlanMichal 5 місяців тому
I was expecting somebody would recognise the quote
@chems
@chems 5 місяців тому
leave the worshipping to skill fans, eh?
@sonario0074
@sonario0074 5 місяців тому
Something i'd like to add to add to the whole booster myth. I don't play WoT but i know similar situations from War Thunder. Once you activate one of those really big boosters, which an f2p player will rarely get, it almost seems like the entire enemy team knows about it and just comes after you exclusively. And while i did often have this experience, it's just that this situation isn't exclusive to the times where you use a booster. I think that the biggest problem with boosters is the promised reward. Let's say you use a 500% booster. Really big payout, especially if you do well that game. But (in the case of WT) since it only lasts one game, you become hyperfocused on maximizing your profit. This has you trying to perform pretty much every action that gives you currency as much as possible, like killing players. But you become so focused on hunting down players and killing them as fast as possible, that you will most likely not see the enemy player who just pulled up behind you. And once the round is over, you're frustrated because, even with the booster, you barely made anything. And all of that, just because you didn't play optimally, but decided to maximize your payout.
@mrbruh9537
@mrbruh9537 5 місяців тому
Wall of text
@commisaryarreck3974
@commisaryarreck3974 5 місяців тому
Use a big booster in War thunder Team goes braindead It's probably a coincidence but God damn I can almost guarantee it secretly puts you with the biggest retards against the best players it can find
@Micro-Lander
@Micro-Lander 4 місяці тому
​This is an hour long video, bruh of course the comments are going to be deep insightful and actually have substance 💀💀 ​@@mrbruh9537
@MozzaBurger88
@MozzaBurger88 3 місяці тому
Yeah, the way our behavior changes because we popped a booster is something he didn't touch on that has an impact too. Then again, impossible to quantify through mathematical means.
@glareff
@glareff 5 місяців тому
I would be more interested in Kisly's patent - where good players get their RNG nerfed when engaging against bad players and vice versa to level the gap in skill somewhat in order to prevent bad players from being discouraged and rage quitting WoT forever, or the theory that your RNG is set at the start of the battle which results in games where you hit all your shots, even poorly aimed ones, and the contrary situation where you keep missing from 5 meters or bouncing 100% pen shots.
@gameclips5734
@gameclips5734 4 місяці тому
those are both terrible ideas
@euronymous85
@euronymous85 4 місяці тому
Ive been saying this since 2012!!!
@Skogdust
@Skogdust 4 місяці тому
I am playing since 2012 and its true if i have terrible RNG its means MM want us to lose and I play way more carefully and tell teammates to be more carefully because we are set to loose.
@gameclips5734
@gameclips5734 4 місяці тому
@@Skogdust total nonsense
@glareff
@glareff 4 місяці тому
@@gameclips5734 it does make sense though and it would be a good idea for WG to implement from the business perspective. It's just terrible for good players and makes the game maddeningly frustrating at times. But if I were WG I would totally implement any technical tweaks to retain players since it directly impacts sales.
@Tankers4Change
@Tankers4Change 5 місяців тому
Easily one of the Top 3 best videos you’ve ever made. - Tbh you’re the reason I started my WoT channel to (eventually) create content on the Match maker, Maps, tank designs, and other discussion topics. It’s so refreshing to see that there are people with solid critical thinking skills creating content in this largely NPC player base.
@ektoras_fl4943
@ektoras_fl4943 5 місяців тому
Easily one of the best WOT videos in general . I don't think that I would watch an hour video from anyone else
@chems
@chems 5 місяців тому
ill pin ur comment so people sub to you
@Teledabby
@Teledabby 5 місяців тому
curious how much failgaming paid.
@plecofan3200
@plecofan3200 5 місяців тому
@@chems damn romanian currency so fucked where the hell is a country that dosent only have like 5% off
@Tankers4Change
@Tankers4Change 5 місяців тому
@@chems Thank you! 🙏 I appreciate it.
@lordsheen
@lordsheen 6 місяців тому
0:56:57 Premium Store Exploit 🔥🔥🔥
@MustafaAAli-uv2sx
@MustafaAAli-uv2sx 5 місяців тому
love your videos. very informative. always curious what your next video will be about. good luck.
@EnglishGamer2019
@EnglishGamer2019 5 місяців тому
1:01:30 Fellow WoTB player here. Seeing your obj 780 argument makes me think of the collector tank system we have here. There was a time when tanks like the T-22 medium was considered a broken tank and it was sold for as high as 22.5k gold. After all these years, instead of not getting your gold's entire worth after buying the tank (for all premiums, you never do), you at least get 7.5k gold when you sell it. The opposite can be said as well because of the crate system we have (WHICH VERY, VERY RNG HEAVY). Thanks to the Mystery Boxes that we get annually, people can get away with spending 500-42.5k gold (each price tag gives you certain amount of crates) with a 5% chance to give you a mystery certificate, which is guaranteed to give you a tank. But the tank can range between T5-10 and can be a premium or collector. By a stroke of luck (which adds to the amount of randomness World of Whatever games have) I managed to get 3 tier 10 collectors; The Badger, T95e6 and T-22 medium and a T9 collector, the Obj 752 for only 4.5k gold that I grinded for free just because I got that 5% drop chance four times within the 13 chances I had. Remember, if you feel like you’re out of luck; just take a break and continue if you want. There’s no point raging in this game because it won’t change how the game works (That Streamer who injured himself in chem's video)
@futurova
@futurova 6 місяців тому
This surely is going to be one of the best videos in the history of world of tanks.
@jbjb8335
@jbjb8335 5 місяців тому
One thing id like to add to the grille thing: -the grille has abbismal shell velocity on ap and heat, and the way aiming works makes it so if youre leading a target, then according to the game youre just aiming further away than where the target will be, therefore the shell will look like it misses by alot, when in reality it may not deviate by that much, but the arch of the low velocity shell cause it to go further away than where you wanted to aim (i hope what i said is understandable, it would be better if i could draw or smth).
@griffinfaulkner3514
@griffinfaulkner3514 5 місяців тому
Nailed it. The game automatically compensates for shell drop based on where you're aiming, so if you're trying to lead a shot with a low-velocity gun on a skylined target, you're almost certainly going to miss. Even on flat ground, you have to aim low at the dirt a few hundred meters behind the target to trick the game into giving you the ballistic arc you need.
@elLooto
@elLooto 5 місяців тому
Its one of the ways that war thunders mechanics are better; the shell is just a parabolic arc, with a bit of deviation set at the start, rather than some code trying to 'help' you by working out what youre trying to hit first.
@harrymilushev6107
@harrymilushev6107 5 місяців тому
I love when Chems makes valuable educational video that gives you more insight about Life than the game "masked" as a World of Tanks video. Thanks for being real Chems kuddos to you stay real as always!
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 4 місяці тому
He is missing the point.. If I change the results just by 0.15%.. Then over the amount wins\lose..Hit's\Damage.. etc...I can change the results of that player over time. WG knows this so they make sure to keep players at the 50% WR....
@justinmanley8131
@justinmanley8131 5 місяців тому
the winsxwn8xdamage is a very poorly chosen metric. Wn8 already includes damage and win rates featured prominently in its equation. wn8 is modified to explicitly shape its expectations of performance on the actual outcomes of games. It has to support your question. Kind of like saying the scale is correct because it measures your weight as the same amount as a machine that is based on the readout of the scale to verify its correctness. It's right because you have defined it as correct. (I was a contributor to wn8 btw, so am familiar with the subject for what that is worth.)
@Mike23443
@Mike23443 5 місяців тому
I'm not claiming that mercy shots are real, however part of the argument for them is that it's concealed in a far more complex and sinister manner. It's not just damage that you lowroll, it's also penetration rolls AND accuracy rolls. The claim is that first you are more likely to miss, second that you are less likely to pen and third that you are less likely to roll high. Looking at just the damage doesn't fully cover the mercy shot claim.
@leopard2a743
@leopard2a743 5 місяців тому
One thing you forgot about is the massive advantage p2w mechanics give, that being having access to the best tanks in the game just by default having better pen/ shell velocity having better crews better equipment directives and so on. Those base stat advantages in a largely rng based game make for a massively different gameplay experience then any non 100k games free to play player could ever experience. Other then that great vid
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 5 місяців тому
No. Good ammo, good crews and directives can be achieved by f2p players as well.
@izznix
@izznix 5 місяців тому
​​​​​@@juanzulu1318wrong. no way a f2p can achieve that.. You are talking about one occasional match but they would never reach the same level at same point in time. firstly they would need to focus on very few tanks as they continously get less crew XP. Secondly, f2p will simply not have enough credits for continuous use of premium ammo, food, directives etc so their gun will mostly have worse RNG. 3rd, they won't be able to access all OP premium tanks that exists nowadays and are in every single match. Basically in theory, P2W is pay to cheat to get better than others, not by skills but similar as doping like in sports.
@tm5123
@tm5123 5 місяців тому
IT depends. If you're better at the game, yuo get more wins, more damage, which nets you more credits per game. F2P and being shit at the game is a really bad combination. F2p with a good player is doable. But paying 10 bucks a month on average makes the game so much more convenient its dumb not to pay it, if you play a lot.@@izznix
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 5 місяців тому
@@izznix yes, the grind is longer. But this wasnt the topic. A f2p player has all the options in a match as all the other players. Neither is wot rigged nor are f2p players treated unfairly in a match.
@pavelslama5543
@pavelslama5543 5 місяців тому
@@izznix F2P player can use these things occasionally. P2W player can use them constantly. For example, if I was a P2W player, there are hardly any vehicle with which I would bother at all to carry any non-gold ammo. I´d just load full gold into each battle. I have done that a few times when I had some prem time, and it makes the game SO MUCH easier if you dont have to decide whether to fire gold or not. Let alone the fact that some guns have prem ammo that has literally 0 downsides (4example standard AP vs better gold AP, or APCR vs better APCR). And that doesnt even take into account the elephant in the room - the constant powercreep of the newest premium tanks. Look at tier VIII, about 90% of standard "silver" tanks are completely outmachted by the previous strongest gold VIII, and 100% of them are completely outmatched by the current one, and if this one will be outmatched by the next one. Look just at the BZ. It is a VIII tier that is not just comparable to most IX tiers, but outright comparable to some X tiers.
@lolloblue9646
@lolloblue9646 5 місяців тому
I mean, okay. The maths do math. Still, when your aiming circle doesn't shrink despite having stood still for a long time, you're tracked twice in a row multiple times, you get uptiered many times in a row despite taking continuous Ls, your WR keeps plummeting but you are always bottom tier... can you really blame people for questioning the validity of the game?
@Hrrrrrrrrrreng
@Hrrrrrrrrrreng 5 місяців тому
Chems the mercy shot part, you didn’t add that HE rounds can also do much less then the shots average damage. Makes sense the average damage is a bit lower. I agree, with your points and am trying to add to it. I don’t know if you only took values from ap or if you took average shot damage.
@walterblack7879
@walterblack7879 6 місяців тому
Me when Chems about to release a new video:
@robinjames8807
@robinjames8807 5 місяців тому
Great Video! I like the development of your channel and your personality as it is actually pleasan to watch - unlike playing the game itself. It seems that you are now just moderately trolling instead of being the incarnation of chaos and i actually like it. Ps: This (36:26) screenshot of the skin is kinda epic, isn't it?
@frankkwaijtaal5650
@frankkwaijtaal5650 5 місяців тому
I witnessed first hand that rng can change. I was above average until i got into an "argument" with an in game mod (back in the day where you could shoot em for gold for the first time). After that day my shots simply missed, low rolls were the normal, damage blocked by armor was rare, matchmaking was basically always lowest tier. I must note that clanwars were unafected, there the rng was normal. I stopped playing long time ago. The account is still active so you can test if you want, maybe it will surprise you.
@user-ee7ct9ft8m
@user-ee7ct9ft8m 4 місяці тому
I think the "soviet bias" myth came from old times, when accuracy was good, and you could have hit shots while moving on your extremely innacurate IS-3 or KV-1s
@4dr1aN310
@4dr1aN310 5 місяців тому
Chems is like playboi carti, everyone wants him to drop, he denies, and comes with a huge comeback once in a while.
@EpiceditzHU
@EpiceditzHU 5 місяців тому
,,Twenty yrs old, ayy twenty mil owned and i need 30 for show"
@niksonrex88
@niksonrex88 5 місяців тому
Playboy Carti sucks ass
@weedbloke1871
@weedbloke1871 6 місяців тому
The title alone is gonna piss off a lot of EU forum users
@mihaivo_
@mihaivo_ 5 місяців тому
I don’t get the hate towards EU player base. I’ve seen plenty of NA players in games who straight up shit talk about EU players calling us names, like why?
@weedbloke1871
@weedbloke1871 5 місяців тому
@@mihaivo_ I'm part of the EU playerbase, I'm not referring to the players, just the EU forum members who literally lose their minds if you suggest there could be anything wrong with the game lol
@larryshepard4885
@larryshepard4885 3 місяці тому
@chems is there a mod that will record the information of my shot pattern? like you show @ 23:46
@Brjdidvr
@Brjdidvr Місяць тому
Dear Chems, please send the light of truth to illuminate us! The part of the video that you show and change the mean and standard deviation is pretty awesome. What software are you using for that ? Tks !!
@terminator4652
@terminator4652 5 місяців тому
I love how chems at the same time makes some of the lowest effort and highest effort wot videos 😂
@NekoKhris
@NekoKhris 5 місяців тому
Highly respect the effort that went into this, and honestly, this stuff makes tons of sense - WG always has been about money, and to make money you need playerbase retention, especially when it comes to players that are rich or have at least SOME disposable income.
@SrSmelly
@SrSmelly 4 місяці тому
yo chems, just fyi, the 3d skin you've made for the kpz 07 p(e) has some kind of texture issue, if i get too close to the barrel, my MoE fades away, this problem doesnt persist with any other of the skins i've downloaded from your page, so i just wanted to let you know, and maybe know how to fix it myself if needed
@blitz3684
@blitz3684 3 місяці тому
bro, i can't even describe how much i respect you after that video. I have no words..., really. You have got new watcher and new subscribe right now, and also i will share this video if i find opportunity to do this. Love to you
@ttpproductions
@ttpproductions 5 місяців тому
My god this has been such a banger! So well written and perfectly explained , with plenty of proof to back it up with. We really appreciate all the effort that you've put into this , and i truly hope this gets more recognition. W video chems
@sabbatus
@sabbatus 5 місяців тому
36:45 "shadow nerfs" are just people getting used to fighting those tanks and learning their weaknesses which makes them lose their "element of suprise"
@ziginaigra
@ziginaigra 5 місяців тому
u rly think skorpoin have same accuracy now compare whan they put him in game
@sabbatus
@sabbatus 5 місяців тому
@@ziginaigra if it wasn't actually nerfed/bufed yeah the thing is you may feel like the tank got better because you got better at the game too or it could feel like its worse just because you are not as lucky anymore
@azarion662
@azarion662 5 місяців тому
Also keep in mind that the first few battles (probably 10) and if you haven't played in a long time are more likely to be top-tier.
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 5 місяців тому
As you look quite good in statistics I have a question: I have several rather similar tanks, so similar in fact that they can be defined as identical (Mutz & Pz58 for example). I played both for around 900 matches. Strangely, I have, for example, 52% WR in the one and 47% in the other. How can this be explained? I would expected that the WR is more or less the same. Is the sample too small? Or is the player's influence in the outcome of a match lower than we expected? I have seen this phenomenom on other accounts as well. And for some tanks it is also identifiable in the game data...
@gameclips5734
@gameclips5734 4 місяці тому
first i would ask if you played them concurrently or if you played one for a while and then the other. presumably if you played them equally every day then the winrates would be similar, in which case it's probably just the sample size, they might both be tending towards 49/50%.
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 4 місяці тому
@@gameclips5734 yes, I would have assumed the same. But the stats just dont match. I play them in parallel and both have around 700 matches each.
@joyroc885
@joyroc885 5 місяців тому
I use to be a clan Fugitives long ago and one of the leaders was on the wot website and wot posted a page pretty much saying that bad players get a little bit better rng. Another member log in and saw it but the page was taken down pretty quickly. It was talked about for a while in the clan. No one was surprised cause we kind of already new. I can normally call a game based on what rng is doing in the first 2-3 minutes of play. I have a 99.8 percent accuracy in calling a game based on that. I also normally know whats going to happen. ie what module is going to get damage. Its like clock work. When you take a well aim shot into the ass end of a tank that might have 55mm armor with a gun that is 250mm pen on the worst shot bounces or my fav crit hit with no damage when it matter and it happens way to many times its either rigged or the mechanic is so broken that wg refuses to fix it.
@jakobbauer7475
@jakobbauer7475 5 місяців тому
As a WoT Player who took statisics in Uni last semester, this video is a damn gem!
@Oerwing
@Oerwing 5 місяців тому
For someone who didnt get taught statistics in uni its solid i guess. But honestly its not that incredibly well made. (e.g. for the second part I dont think a z-test would be correct to use. Im no expert tho). Interestingly enough the p-values are actually surprisingly low (for the common alpha of 0.05 in psychology the difference between chems and daki would be significant in fact). But its debatable what alpha should be used here anyways. My biggest pet peeve is that he said the null-hypothesis is true, while all we can say is that we cant reject it. (Also there are way to many confounding variables to really make a valid point anyways.)
@ntray3729
@ntray3729 5 місяців тому
@@Oerwing Thats a certified bruh moment right here. Just out of curiousity, did you hear anything about the null-hypothesis before this video? Cuz it really seems like you didnt.
@Oerwing
@Oerwing 5 місяців тому
@@ntray3729 yep I did hear about it before. But I dont see whats the bruh Moment here. You pointing out to me (and maybe explain more than just saying im wrong) where im mistaken exactly, would be helpful.
@ukasztaflinski4618
@ukasztaflinski4618 5 місяців тому
Sorry to say but statistics course you got through getting that Psychology degree had not even covered 25% of information and understanding about given topic in comparison to statistics course during a data science/analytical/engineering degree. He lowered the alpha to 0.01 to test game mechanics in "hardest scenario".@@Oerwing
@Oerwing
@Oerwing 5 місяців тому
@@ukasztaflinski4618 im totally aware, that psychology tends to use more liberal alpha-values. And maybe I shouldnt have mentioned it, as it is somewhat arbitrarily chosen anyways. And by no means I think im an expert in statistics. However from how chems talked about the Test and Conclusions I just got the feeling he isnt either (if he happens to have studied data-science or a related field he does know more about statistics than me. I just know hes a wot UKposts, nothing more about him.).
@vibk2744
@vibk2744 5 місяців тому
I swear if this is a troll, like an hour long compilation of Claus Kellerman, then Im gonna loose it.
@enzoandrade219
@enzoandrade219 5 місяців тому
This is such a good video. I will rewatch it in the future, like your other videos, but it does suck to see most of those theories being debunked and that the problem lies within ourselves (and with the op premiums lol), even though we all knew in the back of our head that those theories were, well, conpiracies.
@ClydePlays
@ClydePlays 5 місяців тому
This video is legendary. Well explained, well visualized, and well thought out. well done. :D
@calvin5374
@calvin5374 5 місяців тому
Went in for wargaming ramble, left with a life lesson. What a legend, love the vids. Please keep making them. I'll listen to anything, as long as it is by chems.
@admiralkun8996
@admiralkun8996 5 місяців тому
23:40 the term sigma also comes from an actual “named” value World of Warships uses which I’ve noticed also started being used for WOT to describe standard deviation. For example the Japanese ships tend toactively have better sigma values than the other nations
@Solanis
@Solanis 5 місяців тому
Sigma has been used for standard deviation since 1894; nothing to do with WoWS beyond WG using a standard statistical term.
@mrbruh9537
@mrbruh9537 5 місяців тому
Wall of text
@drona9974
@drona9974 5 місяців тому
Point of clarification. A statistical test comparing two means of continuous variables with a presumption of normality is called the student's t-test. A null hypothesis is a component of the scientific method where you generate a falsifiable hypothesis assuming that your test will be negative (null hypothesis: "There is no difference in mean shot distribution between two accounts")
@misiekbejbe9190
@misiekbejbe9190 5 місяців тому
Quick note on the Shadow nerfs. I think that the statistics (as win rate, wn8 and so on) can get worse a while after the tank is released. Why? Because casuals are continuing to play those tanks. I bet that the strongest of players jump into those tanks on release to get aces and 3 mark them as soon as possible and they move on, therefore they increase the high end of statistics on release, leaving average and weak players with those tanks a month or so after.
@CodeB_4cpp
@CodeB_4cpp 5 місяців тому
This video is undoubtedly the greatest video you have made made and is a must watch for ALL WOT players. Your hard work will pay off. This video will reach over a million views, guaranteed
@SadMadBadBoro
@SadMadBadBoro 5 місяців тому
Its not that great, if he wanted to truly question Russian bias then he needed to check game from beginning, (not last 2 years,) if he wanted to check CC and streamers, then he needed to check their MM (if they have better MM then rest of players, then they dont anything else) and so on....
@CodeB_4cpp
@CodeB_4cpp 5 місяців тому
@@SadMadBadBoro So are you saying that there was Russian bias from the beginning and wargaming decided to change sometime after? and the part about the MM how is that related to Russian bias and RNG for their guns?
@SadMadBadBoro
@SadMadBadBoro 5 місяців тому
@@CodeB_4cpp Game had different priorities from the beginning until current state, now is pure money grabbing with more and more retarded meta crap (just look Mountain pass version now,) all i said is that if someone want to analysis bias, than u need to check that topic from beginning and compare for instance Germany versus Russian tanks, all that T-22, 279, 268v4, 907 and rest OP tanks from one side to another (WT e100) and so on... Potential special MM has nothing to do with rng, only with topic about special treatment for CC and streamers, if they have that, then all other real or imaginary bonuses is not important at all...
@CodeB_4cpp
@CodeB_4cpp 5 місяців тому
@@SadMadBadBoro ok lets forget about any form of bias several years ago since we cant prove it. He just proved that there was none in the past 2 years. So can we agree on that?
@SadMadBadBoro
@SadMadBadBoro 5 місяців тому
@@CodeB_4cpp How can we not prove it? IMO its not so hard. Ofc we can agree that there is no clear bias in near past, but game from the start did have some things thats he referred to, like silent nerfing (Lowe was OP after released, then they silently nerfed him after 2 weaks or so,) ok now they dont do that so obviously, but that doesnt mean that they didnt do such a things in the past or that they dont do that now at all...
@beelzboob6076
@beelzboob6076 5 місяців тому
the time and effort put into this is something that other wot creators (and just creators in general) cant even fucking FATHOM. gorgeous work
@wouterneerrijnen2605
@wouterneerrijnen2605 5 місяців тому
What information does the support request from you if you want to change your place of residence? When you change your place of residence, kan you still play on the eu server? Can you still place your place of residence back?
@cutthroatawesome
@cutthroatawesome 3 місяці тому
In summary: World of Tanks isn't rigged. The problems are much deeper than that.
@badmonpog2569
@badmonpog2569 5 місяців тому
This is probably the most well made video essay about WOT I've ever seen, chems always delivers
@SgtTraz
@SgtTraz 5 місяців тому
I have never played the Grille so the bloom stats were very interesting to see
@Akkordeon125
@Akkordeon125 5 місяців тому
Shadownerf был бы мифом, если бы о нем сами разработчики из Wargaming бы не проговорилась в своих официальных постах на форуме. "МОЙ БЕДНЫЙ КВ-5" (просто я люблю КВ-5) и другие. П.С. Ну и понимая уровень здешней аудитории добавлю. У РАЗРАБОТЧИКОВ спрашивали на форуме: "А почему с патчем Х.ХХ броня конкретного танка стала тоньше (модель в клиенте изменилась, очень легко отследить) (мой бедный КВ-5, до нерфа еще) в тех-то местах, а в ОФИЦИАЛЬНЫХ PATHNOTES об этом ни слова. Но это не shadownerf - это другое. А некоторые разрабы, просто dawn.
@gkirmathal
@gkirmathal 5 місяців тому
Strong video! Ones mindset is the most important indeed. The reason I stopped playing, a health issue, it over times triggered too many negative emotions (frustration, anger, helplessness, uselessness). Thus the enjoyment started degrading, till I recognized the above had commonalities with struggles one can go through in real life: depression.
@filipfunduk9075
@filipfunduk9075 5 місяців тому
on EU 15-3 Result is SO common and most of my looses are that result
@ziginaigra
@ziginaigra 5 місяців тому
all that is random 😂
@filipfunduk9075
@filipfunduk9075 5 місяців тому
sure they are i play game for 10 years man i know it isnt becase rng on those games are afwul and rolst o loosing team@@ziginaigra
@TheIndigoEclipse
@TheIndigoEclipse 5 місяців тому
Great video. You really dug into the theories. But man do I wish WG would make MM +/-1. I'm so tired of working on stock tech tree tier 8s and getting throw into endless Tier X matches. Feels like the match is already decided when your armor can't do squat against them spamming gold and yours wont punch their tanks.
@megapet777
@megapet777 5 місяців тому
That and million other things WG should have done years ago. But they will never fix the game. Thats why Im waiting for steel aces :)
@Cramblit
@Cramblit 5 місяців тому
I don't care what anyone says, there is Russian bias, and the game is rigged. Every game company does this (I know because I'm a game developer). They do it because it's proven time and time again make money, and get people to pay money. Ever notice when you're a winning streak, suddenly you get a bunch of tomatoes on your team, and you start hitting low on rolls consistently? It happens too consistently to be random, the pattern is there. It's easy enough to tweak this so people even looking for it have difficulty seeing it, and intelligent people, like Chems, are even easier to trick and manipulate, because if you tweak the ratios just right, you can hide it from people who only care about digging into the "facts" and "statistics". An example of this, is when he almost finds the truth of winning ratios at 4:00 mark, then asys, well.. that's also in line with how many tanks there are, and USSR has more, so naturally they're going to win more.. Well no, that's a logical fallacy and one many intelligent people like to bank on, which makes it easy to manipulate.. The reason why USSR has the most tanks, is because they are the easiest to win with, thus they make more tanks to sell in the USSR tree, USA being second because in Russia they think there is a USA bias (which there is to some degree). Germany and UK also get 3rd and 4th because those are also 2 very famous and important parts of the time frame, and they've been out longer than any other tech tree. That's not to say other nations don't have great tanks, they do. However, I still remember when I was first playing.. I played for a year and still "sucked" at the game. I was playing Germany. I then switched to Russian tanks, and my win rate sky rocketed from 30% to 70%, because the tanks were just that much easier to play. Things have since changed from 7 years ago though, a lot less new players, a lot more knowledgeable players, gold ammo now being accessible by silver, and other contributing factors to bring even in the bias and easy mode of USSR tanks into line, they are still easily, the most free win. Is WoT Rigged? of course it is.. EVERY multiplayer game today is rigged.. They will throw in a few extra terrible players on your team and stack teams slightly just enough to make a slight difference, but not enough to be in your face obvious, just enough to get you invested and upset to want to throw money or feel engaged, without making you quit. That's the sweet spot every game company goes for. From COD, to WoT, to League of Legends. It is beatable because its not jacked up to 110%, very good players can still overcome this to some degree, and its usually the very good players who will vouch it doesn't exist, while other sheep insist they must know what they're talking about because they're good players, thus, the perfect manipulation happens. Game companies have literally spent millions in researching manipulation like this, and it's become such a norm in the game industry nobody even thinks about it, they just do it, because it works, and they've figured out how to manipulate the players so completely while doing it.
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged 5 місяців тому
Hey chems congrats to 100k subs and also i have a question for you on this topic. Lets say you perfectly know where a tank is in a bush for example but they are not spotted. I noticed if they arent spotted you probably wont hit them but if they are you probably will. idk if this is really true but this has happened to me multiple multiple times when i saw someone but they got unspotted or how u say it i shot them : no hit they got spotted and they stood still i shot and boom hit them like i dont know if this is true or not but i think its interesting
@TehButterflyEffect
@TehButterflyEffect 5 місяців тому
I can explain this. An unspotted tank is invisible to you. According to my unscientific observations, when you are NOT targeting a tank, your shots are less likely to disperse to the outside edges of your reticle, so you're more likely to hit closer to the center. (This isn't really true, and Chems explains why) So you're shooting at a bush, and most of the shots you are observing are going to where you are aiming. Suddenly, the enemy tank lights up. He was juuuuust a little bit outside the center of your reticle. So you correct a tiny bit and hit him with your next shot. The opposite is also observable due to confirmation bias - if you shoot into a bush where you had just been missing the tank that was visible until a second ago, your next few shots suddenly go right where you aimed them and you end up with a few blind shots, or even a kill. There's been videos proven how this isn't really true. It's confirmation bias. Also, because of the way the RNG works, you're actually more likely to hit a blind shot on an unspotted tank using a very inaccurate gun. Why? Because your hit is calculated on RNG. You didn't know there was a tank somewhere in your reticle, but the server does. The server calculates your total bloom (say FV or KV2), sees that there's 2 tanks in that bloom area, and decides whether you hit or miss them. Occasionally, you actually land one of those hits and then you end up with compilations of KV2s hitting impossible shots that makes it seem like it's some magic biased tank.
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged 5 місяців тому
@@TehButterflyEffect thanks for the explanation
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged
@whythefuckdidmyusergetchanged 5 місяців тому
@@TehButterflyEffect i kinda understand it now but its still kinda weird to me as like i know hes there lets say he is complitely still i shoot and im gonna miss by like a good 2 meters but if hes spotted its like a lazer beam
@gameclips5734
@gameclips5734 4 місяці тому
@@TehButterflyEffect i think you're missing the obvious gameplay mechanic here. If you target a spotted tank, the game calculates the shell's trajectory so that it lands where you are aiming. If you 'aim' at where an unspotted tank is, the game does not account for the distance of the shot and your shell does not land where you are aiming but follows a trajectory so that it lands where your reticule meets the ground
@AngelVelikov
@AngelVelikov 5 місяців тому
Guys, how can I like this vid more than once? @chems you did more for educating the population on statistics than the universities!
@timeforgottenprince8271
@timeforgottenprince8271 5 місяців тому
As someone who has played WoTs for 10-11 years, thank you for opening my eyes. I've definitely felt like World of Tanks was rigged at times. I will definitely feel like it is rigged at times in the future, but then I will remember this video. Thank you.
@Glory264
@Glory264 5 місяців тому
It is rigged as hell. Had to turn off xvm-like mods cause the rng bullshit was making me burnout and quit wot a lot of times. I will never forget when i was the only guy not red or orange or just red players and me vs 11 purple and 4 blue players. This wasn't one battle, every 3-4 battles on average you got placed like this with 5%-20% win chance (btw 5% is the lowest possible). Nowadays i got ammoracked every 20 games of average (every 2-4 battles on russian X tiers), ammo rack damaged every 2-4 games, while i cannot dice roll to damage enemy ammo rack more than once every ~30 games or destroy someone with it more than once every hundreds of battles. I know most of the weakspots, tank eq placement etc. so it is mostly RNG issue. I played since ~2011; RNG of this game changed A LOT during all this years. Either you quit the game or play long enough to be on the WG RNG blacklist like me and propably you too.
@alexeythekiller
@alexeythekiller 5 місяців тому
Brilliant video! Btw, what software/website was used at 18:38 ?
@chamikk90
@chamikk90 5 місяців тому
I remember there was an article on how WOT made the average damage go down when your win rate goes up at around 2016. The Author used two different accounts with different win rates and proved it in custom battles. I tried to find the original article. But no luck.
@Bardiel72
@Bardiel72 5 місяців тому
After 12 years of playing I can say that the game IS manipulated and it has gotten worse... there is a lot of video evidence on the Internet, direct shots that do not hit the target, shots that hit directly and that come from positions where THERE ARE NO TANKS... etc... Remember, it is a business and an increasingly ambitious one.
@gregh8720
@gregh8720 5 місяців тому
actually WOT player numbers are dropping so WG need more money from less players just to stay even.
@bazookas.
@bazookas. 5 місяців тому
got some evidence?
@azarion662
@azarion662 5 місяців тому
There is also such a thing as server lag and correction thereof.
@D_Savez
@D_Savez 5 місяців тому
yeah, of course your personal experience is more accurate than scientific proof
@Xieq-Jimmy-
@Xieq-Jimmy- 5 місяців тому
People started to notice something is way off in rng hits and misses years ago, including me - premium account, weeks/months of inactivity, playing in squad. It is well known to people who played from beta and before.
@Akkordeon125
@Akkordeon125 5 місяців тому
У нас это называют год мод. Когда танк ваншот, то он отражает один случайный снаряд, когда у того есть хотя бы минимальная возможность полететь в другое место. П.С. Я имею ввиду не то, когда ты не добил танк из-за урона, а то, что ты не попадешь в танк, который только что стал ваншотом. П.П.С. Ну и в этом несомненно крутом видеоразборе (который был сделан в России примерно 10 лет назад) именно этот момент и не учитывается.
@Jinny-Wa
@Jinny-Wa 5 місяців тому
You missed the cursed tanks myth, or is there a myth like that? I always use it on my tanks. If i have two clone tanks, one gets 55% winrate and one stays at 20% for the same amount of games played. I call one of them my cursed tank :D
@TehButterflyEffect
@TehButterflyEffect 5 місяців тому
Ah, like my Cromwell (60+% WR with hundreds of battles) or my Cromwell B (which is actually a better tank, and has a 45% WR over tens of battles).
@fv4202x
@fv4202x 5 місяців тому
as a wargaming hater, I dont believe any rig topics. People cry when they encounter unlucky thing, but dont even react when they get lucky. So their mind only stores unlucky moments.
@GregorianMG
@GregorianMG 5 місяців тому
It has something to do with human evolution to remember bad things more intensely than the good things to survive.
@ziginaigra
@ziginaigra 5 місяців тому
u can get lucky or unlucky 10-15 times in row
@Lovemate5571
@Lovemate5571 5 місяців тому
Very good piece. Time flew with so much different topics covered. Glad some of that "myths" got squished perfectly. Funny thing is: I took almost a year off in 2021 to 2022 because the game fucked me up so much. Well, not the game but the Matchmaking. Since then I count all my random battles played (no platoon and only randoms) to see whether the MM treats me fairly, meaning whether the matchmaking roughly evens out top tier to low tier battles... Still gathering data, maybe you are interested. I would give it to you.
@Toxic_HDL
@Toxic_HDL 5 місяців тому
Very good video. One aspect that i would still have loved to seen touched is map bans. I have banned fjords ever since map bans are a thing and have unbanned it 7 times since then. I have also then played on fjords every single one of these seven times within three matches of unbanning it. Since its a small sample size it doesnt hold that much meaning but it would be an interesting topic to see investigated.
@TehButterflyEffect
@TehButterflyEffect 5 місяців тому
I've had the same thing happen every time I've tried unbanning Tundra. And not just getting Tundra right after unbanning it, I mean getting it quite literally three times in a row right after unbanning it. That map is TRASH.
@MongooseJakeGames
@MongooseJakeGames 5 місяців тому
Absolutely excellent video Chems! Your portion on the Grille's accuracy and bloom is something everyone needs to see. My tiny little UKposts channel gets zero attention in comparison, but I've tried to explain the hard stats vs soft stats. Nice to see all the work you've done to show hard data over large sample sizes. Thanks for all the effort and dedication I know went into this. Had to take a lot.
@twojstaryczarny
@twojstaryczarny 5 місяців тому
I think russian bias can be explained by different design philosophies. German tanks are usually big boxy blocks, you just have to load gold to pen. Russian tanks often smaller, have more armour on the side and plates are well angeled, you actually have to hit the weakspot to pen. Like for example obj 257 or Lt 420 and E75 or HWK.
@Thot-Slayer-420
@Thot-Slayer-420 5 місяців тому
I don't hear that myth anywhere near as much now as about 6 years ago when I started playing on console. Maybe there was some truth to it then, I don't know. You would have to dig up old statistic from years ago, assuming they still exist, and even then, it wouldn't have any relevance the current version of the game given how much has changed.
@darkselector
@darkselector 5 місяців тому
A good video. One element I would be interested in is people’s win loss ratio which from the very small research I’ve done is always a sin wave. I can’t factor why that would be the case without external factors other than skill would flatten it some.
@gameclips5734
@gameclips5734 4 місяці тому
"from the very small research I’ve done" and there's your answer
@serlinas
@serlinas 5 місяців тому
I have 1 notice about wr. When i have losing streak, i can play alone, with friend or 2. Im great, they are better, but despite that we are losing all sides in no time. So if i get 30-40%wr at day 1 the very next day i get 65-85%, and i can play reckless, i will get those 65+. I wrote to forum few times "i will get unicum wr tomorrow" and it was confirmed by stats.
@metaphysicalretardation
@metaphysicalretardation 5 місяців тому
At what point will people realize that Wargaming is making op premiums because the playerbase refuses to play balanced premiums
@anarchy0034
@anarchy0034 5 місяців тому
The simple fact that i stopped playing WoT like 2 years ago but this video helped me combat my friends "bias" beliefs from War Thunder is just so funny (like the Booster MM or CCMM), also amazing video, felt like watching a documentary lmao, great job chems
@limer.6355
@limer.6355 5 місяців тому
those are different tbh.but can understand your perspective
@LViruz
@LViruz 5 місяців тому
I don't understand why chems simply dismissed War Thunder like it's not a tank game even to talk about. I understand that many WoT-refugees complains about COMBINED matches where they get nuked by plantes, helis or drones but thats realistic warfare for you...
@MrMarci878
@MrMarci878 5 місяців тому
@@LViruz maybe, just maybe, because this video isn't about War Thunder?
@matthewcolicigno8132
@matthewcolicigno8132 5 місяців тому
If you spawn on south of Lakeville, take your light tank (ELC or something with great camo) straight up the middle road and park in the bushes. You should be able to spot everything without being spotted.
@johnismerry
@johnismerry 5 місяців тому
I haven't played this game in probably ~4 years now? And I've never watched any of your videos, or even heard of your channel before, but for some reason, this video just really sucked me in, and I ended up watching the whole hour of it. Great work!
@lncoming
@lncoming 5 місяців тому
30:31 This was the frustration with making a 50 minute video about the matchmaker, and having people use this as a reason of "plausible deniability." It's just impossible to prove certain things about it, since it doesn't have trackable API to my knowledge, unless something like the tomato,gg mod can track the frequency of every tank in every single battle people have. Otherwise, things will forever remain a mystery (like whether WG makes one team first, then a team to """match""" or if it makes both at the same time). 56:04 hahaha there the mod. Fun fact, I actually told him to do "The dumbest mod I've ever used" or something similar, but he used that instead...
@9ryder
@9ryder 5 місяців тому
Classic QB: Acting all baffled and mocking others for content how they spend their money. Hasnt spent a single penny in over a decade to update his twitch or youtube channels overlay, dono/sub/bit alerts, sound alerts, intro/outro and emotes.
@ddrfreak4578
@ddrfreak4578 5 місяців тому
I only noticed really bad teams... Losing 15 games per day for 2 months and 0 wins... That's what made me to quit game completely. I did miss, hit, bouce, ammo racked, got ammo racked and all that was fair actually. But around 100 lose streak was really bashing and I'm not sure it was even possible until actually happened.
@ynraider
@ynraider 4 місяці тому
The ccrng was really WARPACK; LOTS of purple clans offered me cheats when I was a green/teal FC... Field Commanders HAD to be purple for ClanWars! The lowroll RNG was noticed by my guild since before 2013! The Rigged MM was in a WG patent from >5yra... ELO is also rigged in MOBAs.
@ddrfreak4578
@ddrfreak4578 4 місяці тому
@@ynraider cheats are completely different. They are not part of WG RNG
@ericlyrode8724
@ericlyrode8724 5 місяців тому
Lately I did my VK 28.01 3 MOE with 2821 WN8, but 24.3% win ratio. WN8 seems low because winrate makes the calculation too. So my team offered very little assisting, and I need to do 1500+ dmg to achieve this. I do think it"s not my problem, because on my other account with the same tank I have winrate of 78% in 50 battles, but the matchmaking. ELO mechanics really needs to be improved!!!
@plecofan3200
@plecofan3200 6 місяців тому
took you long enough, half-expected a proper mirny video out of this i grinded my ass out for obsidian in 2018, i saw 2 dead, lifeless bodies floating down the river
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