Jet Engine Thrust Test - Fuel Experiment (Jet-A vs Diesel vs BioDiesel vs HydroDiesel)

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Warped Perception

Warped Perception

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I test run four different fuels in my RC jet engine to see which one makes the most power. Jet A, Diesel, BioDiesel and HydroDiesel which contains 80% Diesel and 20% water.
I first build a jet dynamometer then I put all four fuels to the test with some intense full-throttle runs, the results are very surprising.
The test I run on each fuel is 2 straight 20-second Dyno pulls, this is much much longer than anybody would hold the throttle in the full power position under any use except for maybe a fighter jet..lol.
Chapter Markers Below:
00:00 Intro
00:27 Building Jet Dyno
02:52 Dyno Done
03:18 Fuels I'm Using
03:50 Ice In Fuel
04:58 Thrust Test JET A
07:56 Thrust Test DIESEL
12:03 Thrust Test BioDiesel
15:41 Thrust test HydroDiesel
18:52 Summary of Results
19:07 Sending to Project Farm
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@jackl.1759
@jackl.1759 3 роки тому
The neighbors: Hmmm, I don't remember buying a house next to the airport.
@BillAnt
@BillAnt 3 роки тому
"It's not an airport honey, but your Warped Perception !" xD
@yokycaesarjohnimuchtar6126
@yokycaesarjohnimuchtar6126 3 роки тому
i believe i was naked and using drugs that day
@sergiofacchinetti2954
@sergiofacchinetti2954 3 роки тому
@@yokycaesarjohnimuchtar6126 your comment makes no sense so I think you still are naked and using drugs
@wedding_photography
@wedding_photography 3 роки тому
The neighbors love him.
@androiduberalles
@androiduberalles 3 роки тому
If I was his neighbor, I'd be standing there listening to that thing. It was sweet!
@mouadlahrizi6109
@mouadlahrizi6109 3 роки тому
I can hear your tests from here lol
@replynotificationsdisabled
@replynotificationsdisabled 3 роки тому
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@anujdixit7717
@anujdixit7717 3 роки тому
Yes we
@mirmula
@mirmula 3 роки тому
neighbors: why are planes constantly flying over our house today??
@JASantiago5
@JASantiago5 8 місяців тому
As an engineer (BSEE) I enjoyed not only the experiment with different fuels, but the science and the mechanics behind constructing that engine. Well done!
@TurboBMRProjectLove
@TurboBMRProjectLove 3 місяці тому
what kind of engineer? have you looked into metamaterials and how they can interact with gravity waves?
@user-ob6vn2cs9r
@user-ob6vn2cs9r 15 днів тому
هل هاذا المحرك يمكنه الطيران
@awittypilot8961
@awittypilot8961 2 роки тому
Ok...I'm an aviation mechanic and a CJ-3 pilot. I have to say this blew me away. Almost all turbine engines are certified for different fuels including gasoline for a limited amount of time. I've run 100LL in pratt engines with zero problems (limited to 150 hours with pure gas). The Williams Air Research engine on the CJ are NOT certified for operation with gasoline. This test shocked me. It must be a viscosity issue. Jet A produced the most inter turbine temp and highest RPM as well as the most thrust. Williams engines don't have nozzles or injectors, they have a "slinger" and are operated by FADEC (full authority digital engine control). I don't think you could have put on a more pertinent test. It literally changed my mind about several things. Thank you very very much!!! By the way, lubrication from the fuel has no particular benefit for the engine. The only place it could make any difference is the fuel controller itself. Prist is an additive that keeps the fuel from freezing and will prevent microbials from growing. But it is corrosive and has to be used sparingly. Most engines are restricted to .015% or 1.5 gallons in 1000 gallons of fuel. If your fuel isn't heated by bleed air or other you WILL be using prist or your fuel will gel and may flame out....ask a guy that has experienced...oh...that's right...it was ME! 29,000' in a Pilatus PC-12 the fuelers didn't add prist. It didn't fully flame out but it DID become a glider real quick! I had to dead stick into DAL from FL290. DID find out how well a PC-12 glides! hehe
@ImpendingJoker
@ImpendingJoker 3 роки тому
As an helicopter mechanic for 23 years, I can tell you this test went exactly as I thought it would. Each of the fuels has its own specific gravity, and unless the metering jets are adjusted to compensate for this you'll get weaker power due to incomplete fuel burn. The reason that the hydro diesel did better than the other two is due to physics. The water in the fuel cools the air as it is injected, this increases the aircharge in the combustion section much like nitrous does in a car. Older turbojet engines actually used a water injection on take-off(though it was injected into the compressor section not the combustion section) to increase the performance of the engine. The AV-8B Harrier still uses this today, to boost engine power when in a hover. Jet-A is a very dry fuel, and is anhydrous, and soaks up water like a sponge. This is the reason why a lot of airplanes will put an additive known as colloquially as Prist, though many manufactures make it now, that lowers the freezing point of the water suspended in the fuel to prevent ice build up on the fuel filter screens. So, that pretty much means, hydro-fuel will more than likely not be coming to an airline near you any time soon.
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 3 роки тому
Great explanation.
@Av.Martin
@Av.Martin 3 роки тому
Wow
@ark-mark1
@ark-mark1 3 роки тому
Germans used water methanol injection to ad more boost without the fuel igniting from pressure. It allso cooled the pistons. Would be nice to see if it worked on a jet. Alcohol prevents the water from freezing allso tho they propably have tried it in jet engines minding the hydro diesel. In carage it could work coz you don't have to be worried about icing.
@MrKnutriis
@MrKnutriis 3 роки тому
@@ark-mark1 If you google it you'll learn that it has been used in jets many times.
@alaric_3015
@alaric_3015 3 роки тому
the USAF and McDonnell Douglas experimented with F-4 engines with water injection too, during the Israeli-Arab war to counter the Egyptian MIG-25, they decided to not give the result to the Israelis though because it is considered too advanced
@naturecallakbar1080
@naturecallakbar1080 3 роки тому
Your garage have more tools than my university
@marleshpatil8517
@marleshpatil8517 3 роки тому
😂
@humss-rquellansean1239
@humss-rquellansean1239 3 роки тому
LoL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA😂
@goldenheart1667
@goldenheart1667 3 роки тому
Hhhhhhh
@hcb5541
@hcb5541 2 роки тому
😀😀
@piwyasdhaka45
@piwyasdhaka45 2 роки тому
Right 👍
@TrentFalkenrath
@TrentFalkenrath Рік тому
That was extremely interesting, as I knew a jet engine can run on almost any kind of fuel, but I didn't know how effective alternative fuels are. Awesome stuff.
@democracyforall
@democracyforall 7 місяців тому
How then does the white sort of smoke comes out of the jet engine in the sky, what kind of fuel do they use??
@xJackkHD
@xJackkHD 7 місяців тому
​@@democracyforallContrails (the white lines) form when the warm moist exhaust fumes from an aircraft mixes with the cold ambient air producing ice crystal clouds.
@davidbrotherson933
@davidbrotherson933 Рік тому
You Sir are an absolute genius!! I cannot believe the engineering skill and knowledge on display in these videos..I've never seen anything so brilliant!
@Plumstone506
@Plumstone506 2 роки тому
Jet engines are a masterpiece of engineers work.
@tima.478
@tima.478 2 роки тому
Being a commercial jet engine mechanic, i fully support this message!
@carbomax-gamingonphone9446
@carbomax-gamingonphone9446 2 роки тому
It was so Expensive
@Grombrindal91
@Grombrindal91 2 роки тому
Wait till you look into rocket engines...mind blown
@foxaviator2493
@foxaviator2493 2 роки тому
And you can thank the…. The uh.. it’s not important who invented it…
@paulweston8184
@paulweston8184 2 роки тому
@@Grombrindal91 Being a privately funded rocket scientist associate, I fully support this message.
@tinseldegree6968
@tinseldegree6968 3 роки тому
The jet engine: Starts to sound loud The subtitles: [Music]
@diablo12039
@diablo12039 3 роки тому
ah yes, music to my ears
@emmanueltiriagarzon4595
@emmanueltiriagarzon4595 3 роки тому
For avgeeks, yes!
@genioversity4955
@genioversity4955 3 роки тому
Exactly
@BillAnt
@BillAnt 3 роки тому
The subtitle changes into "Put on your ear muffs, it's gonna get better... well, insane!!" xD
@BudgiePanic
@BudgiePanic 3 роки тому
Her: so what kind of music do you like? me: It's complicated
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 Рік тому
This was just spell bounding, I had a very hard time taking my eyes off the screen for even a moment. Amazing!
@brsrc759
@brsrc759 3 роки тому
Man you bastard🤣🤣🤣! I'm supposed to be working right now, but this is too exciting not to watch... immediately. Hiding in the broom closet at work watching with headphones. That thrust dyno is fucking rad bro!
@WarpedPerception
@WarpedPerception 3 роки тому
Haha! ❤️ Thanks I really appreciate it! I'm mostly tried out the hydro diesel because my RC guys are looking for a cheaper fuel than kerosene.
@brsrc759
@brsrc759 3 роки тому
@@WarpedPerception Looks like a great solution. It seemed to work just fine and at 20% water I'm sure it's 20% cheaper lol
@johnpossum556
@johnpossum556 3 роки тому
@@WarpedPerception You can buy k1 cheaply at some gas stations. They make you fill out some forms to get it tax-free for home heating.
@WarpedPerception
@WarpedPerception 3 роки тому
@@brsrc759 so the hydro diesel is about $1.80 a gallon, versus like $3.20 a gallon for kerosene here in Illinois. I had a hard time editing this video for multiple reasons but I forgot to put a part in there where I talk about fuel mapping in the ECU for the jet, I believe that if you can remap the ECU slightly to allow you to get 10% more hydro diesel through that injector it would make as much as jet fuel at a cheaper price. The one thing about the hydro diesel that I like is that it burns very clean, it doesn't have that kerosene smell.
@brsrc759
@brsrc759 3 роки тому
@@WarpedPerception that's crazy cool!
@bernardomartineztari
@bernardomartineztari 2 роки тому
Lol, the close captions say "Music" when the turbine is accelerating. Yes, youtube, indeed, lol
@Gharcian
@Gharcian Рік тому
Lemme give you my summary of Fuel Experiment: picture - 100 sound and music - 100 topic - 100 conciseness - 100 Overwhelming!
@johnchisholm7350
@johnchisholm7350 Рік тому
After 81 years on this earth I,m rejuvenated. Brilliant engineering. John from Oz
@vomitkermit3446
@vomitkermit3446 3 роки тому
Idle is 35,000 rpm. The precision engineering these parts must require is unreal.
@ctrang0458
@ctrang0458 3 роки тому
Indeed. And remember this is a larger one. A t35 kolibri for example idles at 80k rpm or so and maxes out at 260k.
@Christian.987
@Christian.987 3 роки тому
What rpm mean? Is speed or pressure
@yallawallahalla
@yallawallahalla 3 роки тому
@@Christian.987 revolutions per minute.
@wattson451
@wattson451 3 роки тому
@@Christian.987 it’s how fast the turbine spins. To put into perspective, a car RPM at idle around 1000 to 2000, this jet engine is around 35000
@cyeknox1322
@cyeknox1322 3 роки тому
Can I strap 4 of these engines to my arms like a jet pack if so where can I purchase?
@ProjectFarm
@ProjectFarm 3 роки тому
Absolutely amazing testing! A+++ dyno build and really enjoyed the RC jet engine testing!! Looking forward to your next episode! I'm planning to test the lubricity of the 4 fuels soon.
@Taydrum
@Taydrum 3 роки тому
I'm calling it now, biodiesel has the best lubrication, Diesel second, hydrodiesel third, and jet-a last.
@CathodeRayNipplez
@CathodeRayNipplez 3 роки тому
Look fwd to that!
@lukehill6395
@lukehill6395 3 роки тому
@@Taydrum i agree that i think jet fuel is last, but i'm unsure about the various diesels. i would put hydrodiesel higher.
@JesusisJesus
@JesusisJesus 3 роки тому
Can I subscribe 5 times? Just builds a jet engine dyno when he needs one..... I fkn love this channel. This dude does the most fascinating stuff that I only dream about doing, but just as I say “but what about....” he’s done it and shows you. If he was my science teacher I would have been having lunch with him.
@collinmac24
@collinmac24 3 роки тому
PF in the houzeee
@boutrosboutrosboutrosboutros
@boutrosboutrosboutrosboutros 8 місяців тому
revisiting this video, what a great job you did, so much attention to detail on your channel its awesome. Subbed
@jameschupp2230
@jameschupp2230 Рік тому
Awesome! I was surprised that the Hydro-Diesel did so well !
@pilotlars
@pilotlars 3 роки тому
Very nice. the reaction of the engine to the different fuels was fascinating. The amount of flames and smoke after throttling down especially. As a driver of ultra-low-sulfur diesel vehicles I know that they have extra lubrication additives to counter the lack of sulfur.
@HELERsx
@HELERsx 3 роки тому
I dont know why but I am so in love with jet engines. This spooling, this massive amount of power...just amazing!
@PatsGarageOnline
@PatsGarageOnline 2 роки тому
Congrats on the views on this. This is phenomenal. I enjoyed the video but also glad to see this do so well.
@Suchapill
@Suchapill Рік тому
Absolutely amazing channel. Can't say enough about the work you do.
@animalpeeps
@animalpeeps 2 роки тому
Wow... what a marvel of engineering. I'm imagining the forces everything must be under and it's just mindblowing. And to think this is so tiny compared to one from a plane! Truly appreciate this video!
@wifinesesi
@wifinesesi Рік тому
I couldnt agree more
@francocastilloAR
@francocastilloAR 10 місяців тому
What is this engine for?
@AnnicK.Zoloft
@AnnicK.Zoloft 10 місяців тому
​@@francocastilloARrc planes would be the main application but people have been slapping those on pretty much anything
@ImNotSusOk
@ImNotSusOk 3 роки тому
Listening to this at full volume is what tinnitus is like
@andyman8630
@andyman8630 3 роки тому
except not as loud
@Nifilheimur
@Nifilheimur 3 роки тому
got really bad tinnitus and yubb thats about it.
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper 3 роки тому
Maybe not quite that dramatic, but the frequency is about right.
@davydiver
@davydiver 3 роки тому
yep
@Paxmax
@Paxmax 3 роки тому
Can confirm.
@George-jy7op
@George-jy7op Рік тому
GREAT video, from the photography, testing methodology, and all the other stuff that goes into it.
@M-Dash
@M-Dash Рік тому
Brother! I love the jets you build, and the related experiments you demonstrate, such as this one... for example, I also loved the 'see-through' jet project that you recorded on one of your other vids.! Thank you for the great vids you make and share with us! 😃👍
@moiggc
@moiggc 3 роки тому
That was ridiculously interesting. Appreciate all the effort you made with this, especially in capturing the sound.
@zrkn1
@zrkn1 3 роки тому
That is so amazing and cool. Nice and simple jig to measure the thrust. Must be some very tight tolerances built into that tiny giant. Thanks very much for the video.
@binarybox.binarybox
@binarybox.binarybox Рік тому
Excellent build and interesting results at the end.
@mmoshinski
@mmoshinski Рік тому
Amazing video and very surprising results. You've done amassing job creating this video, really enjoyed it.
@SedrikGSX
@SedrikGSX 3 роки тому
Jet engines makes noise* YT: This is definitively music
@Highlandword9
@Highlandword9 3 роки тому
Well the way music has gone recently I can understand that.
@michaelz6870
@michaelz6870 3 роки тому
hear hear!
@michaelz6870
@michaelz6870 3 роки тому
@@Highlandword9 Oh you keep quiet there, Mr. McPoopypants.
@Liamtronix
@Liamtronix 3 роки тому
The gigantic flask is back!
@someone-RGM
@someone-RGM 3 роки тому
What
@tm502010
@tm502010 Рік тому
Watching you build is often creates mega envy. You have a disturbing amount of AWESOME TOOLS available for use! Serious industrial grade mojo! 😂
@graham1403
@graham1403 Місяць тому
These lil engines are so friggin cool. Also some of the closed captions are hilarious while the engine is powering up or down.
@tombickers
@tombickers 3 роки тому
>engine spools up UKposts: [Music] >engine spools down UKposts: [Applause]
@daastan47
@daastan47 3 роки тому
😂😂😂🤷
@NKMoutrage
@NKMoutrage 3 роки тому
Lol idk why yt does that
@minijets9652
@minijets9652 2 роки тому
As always :)
@rumanda36
@rumanda36 3 роки тому
One of the coolest experiments I've ever seen. Huge fan (no pin intended) of turbofan and jet engines since I heard one. Long time ago. Subscribed.
@elnurhajiyev2477
@elnurhajiyev2477 Рік тому
Your production is insane! Much respect bro!
@WoodsAviationLLC
@WoodsAviationLLC 2 роки тому
This is awesome! I have been wondering if it were possible to run different fuels in a turboprop engine. I’m getting ready to drop a Garrett 331-1 in an experimental airplane and was looking at running diesel in it. Looks like it’ll need some modifications to go from jet a to diesel but it seems like it’s definitely doable with the right jetting and water injection for those short field takeoffs!
@TungstenCarbideTempe
@TungstenCarbideTempe 3 роки тому
And you sir deserve to be on national TV every evening and morning episodes. Give us more!!
@geriger1
@geriger1 3 роки тому
Watch this man's simple trick to make flying a jet fighter less expensive! Navy mechanics hate him!
@sirburn2249
@sirburn2249 Рік тому
That was FREAKING AWESOME MAN! I love this type of stuff man! Thank you for that brother!👍🏾😎
@droid_727gilbertandroid2
@droid_727gilbertandroid2 2 роки тому
Thank you for the hard work creating great content!!!
@Ahmed.737
@Ahmed.737 2 роки тому
06:10 is just glorious to watch that engine roar
@kennai6434
@kennai6434 2 роки тому
my PS4 does that too!
@cmcconn100
@cmcconn100 3 роки тому
When I was in the navy we ran turbines on DFM with emergency backups on JP5. Our diesel was run through fuel oil purifier and filtration. We saw a difference in power but not to the degree you saw. We also were running turbines the size of what's on a DC-10 so that probably had some affect. They were optimized for DFM.
@hosseinrajabzadeh2327
@hosseinrajabzadeh2327 Рік тому
The sound is amazing. Thanks for this perfect video.
@flyingcatsofthesalishsea.
@flyingcatsofthesalishsea. Рік тому
that was sicc! thanks for all your hard work and the upload, i shared
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 3 роки тому
Just when you think it's reached maximum thrust... Jet Engine: Yeah right BYEEE!!!
@RB-xv4si
@RB-xv4si 3 роки тому
I’m sure a lot of people were taken off-guard by how long it takes the engine from start up just to reach idle...they probably thought its idle was full thrust until he actually hit the gas.
@xyphur
@xyphur 3 роки тому
Just a quick tip related to your waterjet: To prevent erosion damage to the nozzle/orifice head, make a sacrificial hard rubber washer about 3/8" thick that tightly fits over the nozzle so that during pierce operations the high pressure splashback spray of water and garnet doesn't damage the machine over time. I used to work as a waterjet operator on Flow machines running 94ksi intensifier pumps in an industrial production setting, and without the washer there, the orifice head would be toast after a day or two of nested parts... Protect those expensive parts! :)
@hhhhhhhhh1071
@hhhhhhhhh1071 3 місяці тому
A sacrifice to the machine spirit must be made
@zerep11
@zerep11 Рік тому
This guy is definitely a mad scientist whose work is awesome. Thank you. PS: Love the music too.
@kielord2133
@kielord2133 6 місяців тому
This is something I thought I’d never see and it’s glorious
@jamesf6713
@jamesf6713 3 роки тому
Wow, I didn’t expect the Hydo to run so well. Great job mate👍
@Synthexd
@Synthexd 2 роки тому
That is one impressive set-up and test ! Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this.
@AdnaneAqartit
@AdnaneAqartit 8 місяців тому
You’re a monster mate, brillant experience! I would have loved to try it on multiple fuel temperatures and see that makes any difference, especially for the diesel!
@irclec
@irclec 2 роки тому
Dude your videos have great production quality. Basass content, keep it up!
@jcims
@jcims 3 роки тому
Sweet shot at 5:23! Awesome test overall and great dyno build. That hydrodiesel is weird indeed, crazy how much more power it had than the other two diesels.
@jetenginethrust863
@jetenginethrust863 3 роки тому
"IN THRUST WE TRUST!" :-) Great job on the video & the JET ENGINE THRUST stand. Thank you for sharing. I work on jet engines & aircraft as an A&P mechanic BTW.
@miguelfranciscogonzalezmor5779
@miguelfranciscogonzalezmor5779 2 роки тому
KSP
@minijets9652
@minijets9652 2 роки тому
Awesome.
@jimsworthow531
@jimsworthow531 Рік тому
Awesome demo and data on the testing of a jet engine; thanks; really easy to understand.
@homienat3374
@homienat3374 Рік тому
Nice enjoy watching that mate , what a beast of a jet motor, jeleous 🤙🤙🤙
@michaelz1935
@michaelz1935 3 роки тому
Great Research Experiment. One Suggestion: "Add the quantity of fuel burned by fuel type to the summary chart." Enjoyed your video. Thank you. Mike
@gangleres610
@gangleres610 10 місяців тому
Thank you for your effort. Very informative.
@edwardoavila7666
@edwardoavila7666 Рік тому
I was impressed at the biodiesel getting into alot of thrust at a lower RPM than the normal diesel.
@hebrewhooligan5462
@hebrewhooligan5462 2 роки тому
Love how powerful those water jet tables are. It blows the rust off in less than a sec.
@alanking7331
@alanking7331 2 роки тому
That was dirt not rust. The metal was Aluminum, which does not rust, it oxidizes and is white.
@BixbyConsequence
@BixbyConsequence 2 роки тому
That's abrasive grit which is added to the water jet. It's what is actually doing the cutting.
@BigMacintosh3020
@BigMacintosh3020 Рік тому
@@alanking7331 Oxidization is rust.
@alanking7331
@alanking7331 Рік тому
@@BigMacintosh3020 I know what rust is . My point at that time (8 months ago) was that he was calling the brown water that was coming off the aluminum rusty water. Aluminum "rust" is white. And I have never heard anyone call aluminum oxide as rust.
@connarcomstock161
@connarcomstock161 3 роки тому
It's almost as if Jet A is designed to be run in jets...
@ThePower1037
@ThePower1037 3 роки тому
What a radical idea.
@ljprep6250
@ljprep6250 3 роки тому
That's clean stuff. 6,000 rpm gain and double the power of diesel. Amazing.
@democracyforall
@democracyforall 3 роки тому
278 Newton of thrust, can it be done by an electrical fan?
@houseofsolomon2440
@houseofsolomon2440 3 роки тому
Occam's razor
@vigi86
@vigi86 3 роки тому
Calm down Connar, people might hear this...
@mrnaturallivingyobiz3374
@mrnaturallivingyobiz3374 5 місяців тому
Great work man, that's my kind of content!
@richlevenson6605
@richlevenson6605 Місяць тому
This is so damn well done that any other comments would pale at this point. WOW is the operational word here!
@asharma367
@asharma367 3 роки тому
Damn! Never know till now that Jet engine is so versatile in terms of type of fuel and burning. It's quite independent. It's appears that it can run on almost any flammable liquid.
@haody3494
@haody3494 2 роки тому
The M1 Abrams tank uses a jet engine, it can run on any type of fuel. So no surprise for me
@Person01234
@Person01234 2 роки тому
Kinda, but Jet is very similar to Diesel anyway. The military uses a single kerosine fuel for both jet engines and diesel vehicles (JP-8) to simplify logistics. I think it has an additive to give it lubricating properties like diesel.
@benjaminmenken5693
@benjaminmenken5693 2 роки тому
@@haody3494 it probably uses a turbine which is similar to a jet, except it doesn't use its exhaust as thrust. And instead uses the exhaust from ignition to drive a shaft
@haody3494
@haody3494 2 роки тому
@@Person01234 JP-8 can cause hearing problems.
@georgedubois76
@georgedubois76 2 роки тому
Very nice setup! Jet fuel is basically Kerosene. Jet fuel has less additives compared to the Diesel or the Hydrodiesel and I think that's why you would get higher RPM IE thrust. Also you higher EGT with the Jet fuel. The water cools the exhaust like water methanol injected into old turbo prop engines. I would like to see the specific gravity of the three and how that relates to thrust. Great video!
@panjo40
@panjo40 2 роки тому
we are of the same mind set
@cagraphics
@cagraphics Рік тому
fantastic engineering . I love to know the technology of a jet engine. this is awesome presentation. I'm lucky to see this. thank you for presenting this. keep it up with new experiments. wish you best.
@Marie579
@Marie579 11 місяців тому
Truly impressive video, being ex RAF the sound brought lots of memories, one was standing next to a F4 J uk Phantom on engine a de tuner with engine on reheat runs where the back end of the aircraft was shrouded in a large chamber then throttled up! Being about a meter away from reheat shockwave rings WOW, a memory I will always treasure.😃😃
@cogitoipsum9627
@cogitoipsum9627 3 роки тому
The reason diesel produces less thrust is the higher Aromatics content of diesel versus Jet A. The content of Aromatics in Jet fuel ranges from 10% to >20% (by volume) while the diesel fuel contains 25% to 28% Aromatics (25% in USA an European Union). In fact most Jet A fuel has about 15% aromatics content. The "High Heating Value" (HHV) of Jet A is greater than diesel because of the lower Aromatics content and from the resulting better combustion efficiency. Jet A burns at a higher temperature than diesel (which increases turbine combustion efficiency and hence thrust) because the higher aromatics content in diesel fuel requires more (heat being absorbed) or BTUs to ignite and burn. This results in a turbine combustion diesel flame that is 30% longer than the Jet A flame due to the higher aromatics content of diesel fuel. The result of the longer flame (in the turbine combustor) is that the 30% of the heat energy of the diesel fuel is not converted to thrust because the diesel flame extends past the turbine nozzle into and past the hot turbine wheel. In addition the longer diesel flame results in high energy (i.e.high velocity) incompletely burned carbon particles being sand blasted onto the high temperature hot wheel metal with the result being turbine blade erosion (from combination of carbon or soot on the metal of the hot wheel and glowing carbon particles). To burn diesel effectively in a turbine engine designed for Jet A the flame length of the combustion can/chamber needs to be 30% longer to get full combustion to occur prior to the hot gases entering the turbine hot nozzle.
@WarpedPerception
@WarpedPerception 3 роки тому
Funny that you mentioned that because last night one of my engineer friends at BP sent me an entire article on exactly that subject, that is one of the exact reasons they developed jet a in the early days, because even though the energy content is more on paper the aromatics and viscosity change by temperature make a big difference.
@Alex-nx5wi
@Alex-nx5wi 3 роки тому
Thats a very interesting answer! I wonder if you could ofset that, at least in part, by preheating the diesel?
@cogitoipsum9627
@cogitoipsum9627 3 роки тому
@@WarpedPerception I suggest a test comparing the thrust achieved and fuel consumption between the fuels. One test with diesel plus gasoline mix fuels (of several different mixture ratios) and the straight diesel fuel with the TCU setup (i.e. do the "Study RC" on diesel to calibrate the turbine control, etc.) to achieve 100% RPM (on diesel). The results would be interesting to see. The simplest way to get highway diesel to an Aromatics content in the Jet fuel range is to mix non-ethanol gasoline into the diesel. Simply adding a quart of non-ethanol gasoline to one gallon of highway diesel will yield a "synthetic jet fuel" having around 12% Aromatics.
@chibunduvictorumeh5595
@chibunduvictorumeh5595 3 роки тому
This is a very excellent explanation
@Nickael7
@Nickael7 3 роки тому
@@Alex-nx5wi To preheat the diesel, the fuel can pass around the jet engine body to "boil" it before reaching the jet engine intake.
@joshuazoldschool4720
@joshuazoldschool4720 2 роки тому
Absolutely terrifying the first time you spooled up the jet. Made me think how completely vulnerable one is when flying such a Bizzare and technically complicated engine. Great content. New Sub for sure😉🤞🚬
@nahiyanalamgir7056
@nahiyanalamgir7056 2 роки тому
Except for the fact that such engines are well-tested and well-designed. May appear to be vulnerable but it actually isn't.
@CliffClover
@CliffClover 11 місяців тому
Great job. Thank you for your efforts. Interesting comparisons.
@metaverse_8
@metaverse_8 Рік тому
This channel is by far the coolest one i had ever seen..Im a fan now
@MrStreetboy80
@MrStreetboy80 3 роки тому
That dyno rig is 🔥
@darikmatters8866
@darikmatters8866 3 роки тому
The fuels have different viscosities and shear strengths... You needed to monitor pressure and flow of the fuel at the motor input.. You should have also been monitoring the amp draw of the fuel pump... If you had used a load cell (from a electronic scale) you could have captured actual real time fuel flow, RPM and power output across the entire throttle range (a small data acquisition project for an Arduino or Pi). Oh, and it would have given you throttle response info..
@WarpedPerception
@WarpedPerception 3 роки тому
Nah I'm not interested in that because I was just doing exactly what the guys do at the field they burn out their first fuel fill it up with the second and then they fly, and then they usually say oh wow this one makes so much more power than the other one, but they never know for sure. Most of the jet engines like this do not allow you to adjust the fuel because if you start dumping too much fuel for the size of the engine it gets dangerous. But on another note imagine This. You're flying a private jet and you land in the third world country, they ran out of jet fuel but they have diesel or another fuel available, you need to get out of the country because it's a war zone and you're about to be stuck, do you take the fuel recalculate your flight for the reduced power output, or take apart the engine mess with the fuel pump, pressure injectors etc so you make sure you put out the same amount of power or more, and then start the jet up and fly.. what would you do?
@niteriderevo9179
@niteriderevo9179 3 роки тому
easy/fastest route would be recalcing for the reduced engine power, at least to me
@absolutepressur
@absolutepressur 3 роки тому
@@WarpedPerception worth making a note somewhere if possible. I was also confused what the goal was in the comparison.
@bodywerks
@bodywerks 3 роки тому
@@niteriderevo9179 The test is invalid. Approved fuel types for swiwin turbine engines do not have different max RPMs. The author didn't set the ECU up properly for the different fuel types. He also put too much oil in the diesel. It only requires 3% oil, not 5%. You can run 5%, but it just exacerbated the poor results in this test. There are different pump limits for different fuels and the pump limit is calibrated after the first start after the Study RC function has been performed, which I assume the author did right before running Jet A, but did not repeat the process between each fuel type change and that kept the pump from providing enough fuel. If he tan the engine at full throttle for a little longer he would have got a "PUMP LIMIT" warning on the GSU.
@niteriderevo9179
@niteriderevo9179 3 роки тому
@@bodywerks uh, what? kind of hard to retune the fadec/ecu/fueljets in the midst of a combat situation to a fuel it's not set for, doing so would take too long, i was only responding to the having to land and not having the preferred fuel available in the midst of a hotzone
@noxious89123
@noxious89123 2 роки тому
This was an awesome video. Something I'd have liked to see to make this more thorough, would be logging of the ambient air / intake temperature and humidity, so that this variable could be accounted for. And also recalibrating / retesting your jig in between runs. Is it possible that the heat from the engine could affect the springs? Also the design of the mount allows the engine to apply a torque to the sliding part, which could alter the friction and power required to move it.
@davidemmons4614
@davidemmons4614 Рік тому
Dude you are too handy. I wish I had your tool box! Great videos! Keep it up, very inspirational
@franciscogomes1300
@franciscogomes1300 3 роки тому
This is what I call excellent professionals .... we should all be trained that way ...
@arunsharma-dx4yn
@arunsharma-dx4yn 2 роки тому
What I found really interesting is the record of EGT. Assuming higher temperatures are more damaging and shorten the time between overhaul of any given engine, Bio diesel appears to win hands down even though its power output might not be the greatest.
@Knort
@Knort 2 роки тому
Thought the same, then i realized that it frosts, that´s a concern
@vincem9468
@vincem9468 2 роки тому
Wouldn't jet a fuel be the best because what matter is the ratio of degrees per pounds of force. I assume you could just run it at a lower throttle and get a lower temp for the same force.
@desertfresh3740
@desertfresh3740 2 роки тому
The temperature the fuel burns at would limit the thrust of the engine, as EGT is a limit. If the fuel burns hotter, you have to throttle back to avoid overheating the engine. The engine should never see EGT greater than the limit, and it's up to the operator (and programming) to avoid exceeding the limitations of the engine.
@Parabueto
@Parabueto 2 роки тому
@@Knort In low altitude applications you might get away with it- mainly in power generation. If you put it on an aircraft you're in for a world of hurt. Reduced thrust is bad- you can always reduce power setting on a pure jet fuel without any of the drawbacks. On a helicopter which often has narrow power margins especially in hot weather the reduced power could very easily prove fatal. Then there's the icing risk- you'll need the entire fuel system heated. Not just because of water ice (at these water levels no amount of anti icing inhibitor will save you) but because wax will freeze and precipitate out of the diesel just like water ice, but at higher temperatures potentially. Same issue of clogging filters and the like. Also diesel tends to build soot on the fuel injectors. Not a big issue because the injectors on a turbine are generally huge and it'll take several hours for any real buildup, but it's there and could be a pain if you aren't anticipating it.
@tienvannetten4514
@tienvannetten4514 Рік тому
Chantage
@witty1k
@witty1k Рік тому
Not even gonna lie man, this content is dope. Love to see it.
@donfransiscoramirez8394
@donfransiscoramirez8394 Рік тому
Muchas gracias por poner subtítulos en español a tus videos. Es muy interesante estos contenidos y muy amenos y bien explicados. Solo una duda: ¿En todos los combustibles usas la misma calibración en el inyector y la misma presión? Gracias
@Gmanndogdeguy
@Gmanndogdeguy 3 роки тому
am I the only one that becomes extremely excited when listening to that turbine spark and spool up? I have no use for it but I want one for the soundtrack alone....
@brucekultgen132
@brucekultgen132 3 роки тому
That water jet & jet engine......blow's me away!!! Keep up the videos!!!!
@vitalyzdtvsecond9711
@vitalyzdtvsecond9711 3 роки тому
Same badass
@DaleDirt
@DaleDirt Рік тому
This is totally Badass . Great experiment
@simplemike_the1mokoena515
@simplemike_the1mokoena515 10 місяців тому
Yo this is absolutely amazing.
@flowerpower2671
@flowerpower2671 3 роки тому
You earned my sub from mentioning Project Farm. I love his reviews on a lot of things.
@rudypieplenbosch6752
@rudypieplenbosch6752 3 роки тому
Interesting that hydrodiesel performs so well. I read that they did tests with water injection into jets and it did improve performance, probably due to the water expansion.
@globuseric8998
@globuseric8998 Місяць тому
Absolutely amazing!
@jasondesoto6666
@jasondesoto6666 Рік тому
Awesome job...much appreciated...Thank you!
@MoMaCaniRakun
@MoMaCaniRakun 3 роки тому
Professional Engineers: How to start a Jet. Me 21 dumb engineer college kid: Area 51 here I come babyyyyyyyy....!!!!
@sankastic
@sankastic Рік тому
Satisfying to watch, satisfying to hear
@hippopotamus86
@hippopotamus86 3 роки тому
Great editing on the build video. I bet that took some time to do!
@WarpedPerception
@WarpedPerception 3 роки тому
Oh boy it was a little rough, the actual build wasn't too bad it just took me a long time to film the pieces to make it look easy, and get myself re familiarized with the CAM software
@pumello
@pumello 3 роки тому
16:40 Captions : "Music" Ah yes, human music of the human variety. My favorite.
@TerminalChill
@TerminalChill Рік тому
Awesome man, pure brilliance!
@shark70007000
@shark70007000 Рік тому
I just happened to come across a couple of your videos today. While watching this, I was thinking, Project Farm. Then you mentioned him. LOL 👍
@BigDHomeVideo
@BigDHomeVideo 3 роки тому
I love that at some point Frank Whittle saw a piston internal combustion engine and was like... "Yeah that's cool and all but what if it was a fan?"
@shurmurray
@shurmurray 3 роки тому
I think the pump is just not calibrated to work with different fuels: temperature and RPMs are lower meaning the turbine is not at full capacity. I.e. needed more fuel.
@ausfester
@ausfester 3 роки тому
Pump looks to be hitting the pump pwr limit, meaning rpm isn't achieved. Needs to be redone,
@Liveforeever
@Liveforeever 3 роки тому
@@ausfester I think it's the different calorific values of the fuels that are producing varying rpms or maybe it is the viscosity not allowing equal fuel delivery
@EGK20
@EGK20 3 роки тому
No need to calibrated the pump whatsoever. This test shows that the jet fuel is superior than other fuels..the fuel pump not even at maximum capacity but deliver more power than other..
@shurmurray
@shurmurray 3 роки тому
@@EGK20 well, the energy density is different for sure. But it is interesting if it is feasible to use other fuels even at higher consumption rate. Can they produce the same thrust?
@klausbrinck2137
@klausbrinck2137 3 роки тому
Hydrodiesel contains water, so, for sure lower BTUs than JetA, and still just 87,65% of the thrust. I guess hydrodiesel wins this efficiency test, perhaps easily, since hydrodiesel BTUs are, for sure, less than 87,65% of JetA BTUs... Hydrodiesel has 30% watter and 10% tensides, so, best case 97,300 , that´s only 72% of JetA BTUs (worst case: only 62,5% of JetA BTUs). Of course, I have no idea if he used similar volumes of the different fuels...
@francisconti9085
@francisconti9085 Рік тому
WHOOOOOO! Jet-A is a "dry" fuel, no lubes, anti-moisture/ice/biostatic, or static dissapator.. nice thrust.. heat= work done. I don't like excessive flame or smoke..or long starts..but was cool to watch &learn!
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