Let's hope this is all natural and not going to turn out how these things usually turn out.

Yes. So much so that it made Pogacar's 2020 ITT look almost believable.

@@MrFleischbrocken It reminds me on Floyd Landis' fantastic and epic stage, were he took back 3 or 4 minutes, sadly he then tested positive... but until then it was pretty much same song: "oh what a great performance..."

​@@arnemadsen4556 Just pure viking genes molesting the peasants. SKÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅL

The consequences just has to be bigger. It's time to ban an entire country, if a rider of that nationality if found guilty of doping. Sorry but your country cannot compete for 5 years or whatever. Lets hope he's clean. But when something sounds to good to be true, well, it usually is.

you are right impressive from Mads

Lanterne hyped him up in the podcast

Yeah that makes no sense. His compatriot Skjelmose as well. 4 Danes in the top 15. Not bad by a country having just a fourth the population of the New York metropolitan area.

Who?

🇩🇰

Agreed. He watched Podgacar go down the ramp steady, then pedalled hard on his own launch and already gained a second by the first corner.

Seconded. JV was more focused than he'd been on any other stage, plus you can see at the end that he'd made a bet with himself beforehand: "It's so short. You can max out the watts for that SHORT..!"

The only man working harder than Jonas or Pog is LR.

Him and JV clearly did their homework on the stage

Every GC contender will have done the same thing. That's just preparation.

@@PilsburyDoughboyEsquire-lu9ijbut Jonas executed to perfection

​@@PilsburyDoughboyEsquire-lu9ij Not sure, of course all of them prepare for the stage, but maybe just digitally or by the profile, but I don't think everyone rides even every single corner several times

But eaiser for People to say doping rather than doing look in how much pre work he did for this tt

Kind of same. Was already into cycling though. LR just catapulted my interest in pro cycling.

Same for me about 1 month ago I knew nothing about cycling

Poggy Will lose more time tomorrow proberly 2-3 mins if Jonas strikes about the last 7km Mark

​@@esbentronstrm4154yea I am hoping for a crazy pogacar attack next stage but honestly think that your prediction is more realistic. Pog is tired and Ving just coming into form right now (meaning able to recover perfectly) just as planned with the best team in the world behind him... seems unstoppable

How do they even have the highlights rights to this though? How do the GCNs of this world allow this?

Exactly, you could see the difference already on the descent from Tourmalet, where Pog had to sprint out of the corner several times not to get dropped

I've been saying this since the TDF 2022. He doesn't use that ability because rarely do GC contenders need to close gaps in descents... but he is consistently showing great descending skills. But today we saw him tap out that daredevilness.

he was FLYING on those descents, I got more and more excited as the stage went on

An underrated descender?!? Everyone knows that he's one of the absolute best at it.

@@MrJohanGuzman I'm thinking this skill could be useful in the future, especially in single day races like the Giro di Lombardia, if Vingo wants to take part in it this year again

Yes it is refreshing. I've been following the TDF since 2006 and these two are just a cut above. We are fortunate to witness it all.

Yeah its pretty nice how respectful they both are, it's a shame all the fans have to ruin it like usual.

That’s classy 🙏

People obsessed with their craft don’t care about anything but being good

100 pct. agreed.

Jonas was doped to the max. I hope they will get him soon.

@@tongobong1 They will get Evenepoel and Pogacar before Vingegaard

​@@tongobong1Not until he retired, so they won't lose money

Lance Armstrong would have been smoked

Still a way to go, but he is well on his way.

nothing more out of this world than Pogs tt in 2020...

@@barbarap9452this one was more out of this world that 2020 TT

@@barbarap9452I think this was much more impressive than Pog in the 2020tt

@@nielshaug30 i dont see any difference, in 2020 Pog smashed all others by almost a minute and a half... and he never won tt before that... and even now his superb performances in tt are only on tdf... even today his performance was as alien like as it was from Jonas... look the time diff. between Pog and Wout... and wout is one of the best in the world in tt constantly...

Agreed Kuss is doing great

Sepp rode really well especially coming off that crash caused by the stupid spectator. He will be called upon to help protect Vin's lead in the upcoming mtn stages. Allez Sepp!

I agree! Sepp is a class act after that run in with a fan, he really works very hard and give his all for his team! Plus what a cool name..

Yes!! More Sepp love!!! Go Sepp!!!!

The Durango Kid

As good as Lance back then... "Just on another level" 😂

incredible is the word

@@onepunchbud1472 cry

U cycling fans are so strange. You KNOW that they are cheating yet you guys still celebrate these performances as if they were done legitimately :D I also watch this sport (from time to time) but no matter what they do it doesnt impress me at all, not even a bit. When i was a child and watched Lance i was like "this is UNBELIEVABLE, this is not normal, unhuman, he is so much better than everyone else" blabla. Yeah, later i found out that it actually was unbelieavale but in a different sense....

​@@onepunchbud1472Hahaha du bist doch dieser Pogacar Fanboy, du willst es einfach nicht wahrhaben

Jonas was doped to the max. You can't beat all of them by so much unless you are doped - it is just not possible.

@@tongobong1 Just like Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Der Poel, Yates etc.

@@HolgerDanske874Pogacar is clean. I know him personally. He is neighbour of my father.

@@tongobong1 LOL! Jonas is doped, but the guy racing up mountains faster than Vingegaard is not? You're clueless! My dog's puppy had her own puppy and Vingegaard's cousin's best friend bought it. I know Vingegaard is clean.

@@HolgerDanske874 I really know Pogačar. Jonas is clearly doped. Just look at his face.

Very true but not only that, pogacar has never won over Jonas in a third week TT. Only in prologues or 1rst week TTs in TDF he is 3 out of 3 better time 2021,2022,2023 in the third weeks TT. Last year he also had the win of the TT was it not for the fact he gifted the victory to van aert. He was up in time on van aert but sat up and celebrated the last 2 ks. Loosing him about 20 - 25 seconds in time checks vs van aert. it was the last stage of tdf and he had then won it. But again fairly flat TT and long, but with some hills. The real thing is people have slept since 2021 on how good this guy is maybe due to his humble nature and never bragging, + his team having this team PR that its the team that does everything team work etc. Which is somewhat true but really also false. As you only need half decent riders to win a TDF when you have the best rider.Only in 2023 are people waking up, some still believe pogacar to be stronger but it was just his wrist injury. Id rather say it was pogacar who was somewhat lucky in 2021, that both Jonas and roglic crashed that stage pogacar won 5 minutes on that early stage in tdf 2021. As Jonas caught up in time and never lost time for the rest of the race.

What do you mean all morning? Like the day of the race he was there?

@@usecode___7453 Yup. Primoz did the same on the last TT of the Giro.

Pog did too, just doesn’t have EPO too

Nahh, cut your EPO bullshit, you must have not seen how extremely dangerous he rode, he is prepared. Wout could also win this tt if hed not exausted himself in the previous stages.

The corners are just marginal gains, he still had to go full on thermonuclear to beat Pog who himself smoked the rest of the peloton

Yes it was un real. That is the problem. Take Pog out of the conversation for a second and it is obvious Vinn is not clean. WOUT WITH THE SAME EVERYTHING lost by three minutes. Worst TT loss of his entire life.

It was clear Vingo was preserving a lot of energy on earlier stages..probably letting Pogi think he is too strong and burning himself for 6-7 seconds on multiple stages...exactly like last year. There are no truly great climbers at this year's tour..carapaz and mas abandoned early, roglic not here, the rest are just not good enough. Pogacar simply was outmatched.

@@dylangrantz8124 Wout isn't exactly built for climbing. The ITT had 2 climbs. Bilbao was 4th for christ sake.

@@HolgerDanske874 really? Not a fan are you? first Bilbao has held the Spanish national Champs jersey.. He is an accomplished TT rider. Has always been good. Has made gradually become better at it. Now Jonas on the other has sucked big hairy sweaty balls as a TT guy finished TT placing in the hundreds just a few years back. Never held the national Champs jersey in fact finished 22nd on his try. You picked the wrong guy and the perfect example of how riders make gains in cycling unlike Jonas has. Thanks

i guess years :-) if it goes like this

@@mochno1 Jonas been dominant since he dropped pogacar in 21 as a fuckin domestique 2nd place tour ahha not even close in 3 week races.

The gap of almost 2 mins is simply too big to make up for tomorrow. It would take a crash or mech failure from Vingegaard for Pogi to win back what he lost today. Unless Vingegaard has a total off day tomorrow and Pogačar rises like a phoenix. Personally, i think Vingegaard will further extend his lead in the mountains. Hell, not even a mech failure costs that much time. Swap bikes and go. Takes 30 seconds maybe.

You are expressing exactly what I am thinking. I believe what makes this time most impossible for pogacar to make up is the strength of jumbo visma as a general team. It never seemed that any of the UAE domestiques were able to keep up. Still theres some hope left with 5k climbing in one stage! (And vingegaard being tired from the tt I hope)

@@usecode___7453 I thought of this stage as the one when Jonas will drop Tadej, there's this 28km long climb with a section up to 28% steep!

And the performance enhancing drugs he's on

Yeah, I think it adds up too. A lot of people comparing Jonas and Wouts times, just ridiculous, Wout has been absolutely booting it for 2 weeks on every stage and weighs 18kg more than Jonas....thats gonna have huge implications on a mountain TT. Jonas' descent was pretty scary if im honest, he absolutely railed it and looked like he was pushing too hard several times...no surprising he took a lot of time there. Pog looked visibly uncomfortable and pretty tired too. Also noticed on the start Pog has a cold sore...such things can be a sign of things not being 100% internally. Also worth mentioning Jonas apparently has the second largest V02 Max recorded.....97 at 17 years old... and he's only 60kg. Dude is gonna kill this kind of TT every single time.

@@chrisdawson955 If Pogacar did the same ride you would cheer and celebrate. All the Pogacar fanboys are so sad. Enjoy the ride and don't insinuate doping when you have no proves. He did an amazing ride. Period! Was he using illegal drugs? Was Pogacar using illegal drugs in 2020 when he gained 1.56 seconds on Roclig? Come on man - how would you know and how can you tell? Just because you don't like the outcome then please stop being a sore loser. It does not fit you. You can do better. Enjoy the race and shut up with this bullshit. They are all incredible athletes and Vingegaard has done well in the last three TT's once they were well into the tour. I like Vingegaard but I also admire Pogacar and Van Aert and many of the other riders. I love when they go full gas and wipe out eachother. What a tour. And maybe Pogacar will come back tomorrow? Who knows. Don't be a sore loser.

Off course it doesn’t add up. It’s preposterous. You probably thought Armstrong and Pantani were legit.

These are valid points, but what is even more unbelievable to me is the size of the gap to every other rider, apart from Pog. WvA's time was 109% of Jonas' time. He lost 7 seconds per KM. And he was THIRD. That just seems so absurd to me.

and VOUT is just nobody in cycling, right? it's easy to put 10% on himmm

Danes have got form juicing mind, so perhaps not so insane.

More like Riis, Rasmussen and Vingegaard

@@mikegeary9231 You know these guys gets tested all the time, right? Nothing out of the ordinary for them and if you didn't know, in Denmark there's been a big stink about getting the sport clean, so they know that if they did take anything, they would lose everything.

@@metodpolak8091 Se my reply to your troll-mate...

@@dippegalant and you think riders of yesteryear weren't tested all the time? Testers are and have always been playing catch up. Time will tell I suppose but I won't be surprised if any of these riders get pinged in the years to come.

How we do know that Pogacar did his best! Laurent Fignon did ride 52,2km hour pace final stage in 1989 and Fignon was 3th place that time trial! Fignon did not collapse he was Best form his life!! Lemond and Vinwgaard was better that not means others collapse!!

@@RaineriHakkarainen stfu bro this isn't tour of Finland

Yep after the tests come back we will

i just hope for the right reasons but history tells us it wont be

Also he is on the juice

@@ginocasale1142 if you had something to base your claim on, you would be relevant

This is impossible to make such difference without 💉💉 . 3min on WVA and 1m30 on pogi with a TT of 22km. What a joke…🤡

​@@clement1234yep - the medical department did a bit too much. It's a fuking joke on roughly 30min stage. And Pogi already was on another level but Jonas... 😂😂😂 Sure mate, sure... Better don't get caught.

@@clement1234 I can't figure it out why there are so many salty Pog fans. Tadej is a superbe athlete and he knows very well both how to win and how to lose, I don't think he would ever accused his rivals, he has class. I also would to bet that if Tadej was the one to win with such a lead, y'all be screaming about how talented he is...

@@clement1234 cry

@@onepunchbud1472 copium on full display... I like it

True, hopefully it stays that way. JV Has announced it stops sponsoring in 2024. Hopefully the team and their high performance level stays intact after that.😊

...but you didn't because you brought it up...

watch the sport without bringing back the past and ask yourself how. you see for me there was only ever 2 riders that actually drove today and that is vingegaard and pog trying to get a few seconds on eachother therefore they gave it all they had but pogi was clear affected by the hot weather + bike change + not taking the same risks vingegaard did. the reason i only said 2 is because the tdf has been tough this year from day 1 and we have a big mountain stage tomorrow and another one soon and noone of the 155 other riders is even close to gc so lets be honest they didnt even try today they saved their energy. Mads Pedersen and skjelmose also said this themselves. ^facts

@@MrKaare60not facts at all you berk .. you don’t think Yates is trying to podium?

@@baldyslapnut. it says “I will” that’s future tense bro ;)

@@MrKaare60 you never watched TdF before?

I've been saying that all along but I'm glad that people are finally agreeing with me.

I mean yeah Vingo prepares for the Tour exclusively while Pogi races left and right all season

Exactly

So true. Both riders are absolutely brillant.

@@user-vt4hd8hb4v would be interesting to see Pogacar of he only focused on the Tour. On the other hand I love to watch him perform in the classics as well.

i also had that feeling just the body language

I also had the feeling he was holding back on a few stages. Like he had the power to attack but didn't want to take any risks, putting all his chips on the TT.

He wasnt getting better and better. He just did an armstrong..rest day fresh bag of blood...

@@karl8805agreed. Clearly some fresh blood.

I had the feeling on Sunday (Stage 15) that Jonas could have taken a few seconds on Tadej. He was saving something... But, 1:38 on an uphill TT finish? One for the ages. i had the feeling on Stage 15

When Armstrong dropped everyone on the first climb in 1999 everyone in cycling knew the doping era was not behind them after the Festina affair. I fear that Vingegaard's TT performance will be looked back on the same way.

6.6 w/kg is nothing special for a 60 kg rider.

And about the PEDs

Same for me (as a dane), i was so hesitant about todays stage. And hoped that JV would at least be on par with TP. But JV was just unbelievable.

The heat affected him so badly that he crushed one of the best time triallists in the world, putting a minute and a half into him on a short course. The problem here is not that Pogacar had an off day, it is that Vingegaard’s performance made Armstrong and Pantani look clean.

​@@charlesmarshall8046 yeah same can be said about Pog lol

@@charlesmarshall8046 Just pure viking genes molesting the peasants. SKÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅL

@@charlesmarshall8046 So we are just gonna be oblivious to all the stages before today? So you are telling me that Jonas, acted weaker on the last couple of stages to not get "caught". You know the top 3 gets tested afterwards right?

@@jacoblarsen7347 he didn't act weaker, what were you watching

Same here. I really question my emotions right now. One moment that maybe compares for me is a memory from 2002. i was 6 at that time and was rooting for Germany in the FIFA World Cup Final. I couldnt watch the game so my parents told me afterwards that Germany had lost. Bam. Somehow I couldnt believe it.

UAE and tactics... 😂 Have you seen the roof of Jumbos car and the roof of UAEs car? One has filled the roof for aero purposes and the other carries only 3 bikes, one spare tt bike and one spare road bike 😂 Jumbo knows what theyre doing, UAE just throws money around and hope for the best 🤦

Obviously. Or smoked it or injected it or whatever he does.

As crazy as Lance back then... and as believable.

@@onepunchbud1472 cry

It's a lot crazier. More than double the amount of crazy (when comparing the actual time-differences)

@@onepunchbud1472facts. But if you want you can enjoy watching more and just ignore it. I for my part just watch it like they are machines. Machines need to be tuned.

@@onepunchbud1472 bs! Just today I heard a former doped rider from the 90s and an anti-doping-expect say that they don't believe the riders are doped. I have no idea, but I might just trust them a bit more than some random guy on social media.

He was 2 seconds faster thru the first turn of the TT.

@@stevenmeyer9674then tell your favorite rider Pog to learn how to take a corner with speed

@@frederikbrandt424 My favorite rider? Are you talking to me? I like both riders but am rooting for JV.

@@stevenmeyer9674 Seen people using that argument against JV and saying he’s cheating because that apparently shouldn’t be possible. So just assumed you were another Pog fan like the rest. My bad if you meant something else.

​@@frederikbrandt424 I was trying to comment on JV's bike handling and aggressive riding thru that first hairy turn, i guess I didn't make myself clear. No biggie. it's been a great tour and am looking forward to tomorrow's stage.

@@RobertTarmac He probably is amazed

​@@RobertTarmac😭😭😭

You should have said unbelievable cuz he is juiced. That victory is just like Floyd Landis

@@dylangrantz8124 Jonas didn't crack/bonk the day before and then win, that is what Landis did and then he got busted. Completely different.