Jordan Peterson Refuses to Debate Matt Dillahunty
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@DeepDrinks 7 місяців тому
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@IIIJT 7 місяців тому
In my amateur perspective of intellectuals such as Jordan Peterson and Matt Dillahunty, I find a fascinating juxtaposition. Peterson, arguably, exhibits tendencies of an agnostic, while simultaneously aligning with cultural Christianity. Notwithstanding this, he undeniably enriches the intellectual milieu. I concur with Peterson's perspective that while rationality holds significant value in understanding and navigating the intricacies of human existence, it alone may not be the panacea. Indeed, enhanced rationality can assist us, but it might be insufficient to transcend the inherent challenges posed by our hormonal imbalances and evolved instincts. On an individual plane, rationality might proffer potential avenues for growth; however, at the collective level, our deeply ingrained tribal instincts often loom large, influencing our actions and beliefs. Meanwhile, I resonate with the sentiments of Dillahunty and Sam Harris, suggesting that superstitions and beliefs in the supernatural bear the vestiges of a more primitive era. Peter Boghossian's perspective resonates with me as well; he posits that a proclivity towards religious, archetypal cognition is deeply entrenched within us. This evolutionary inclination towards the mystical might prove challenging to transcend in the foreseeable future, prompting introspection on whether we should even attempt to overcome it. On a personal note, my philosophical stance leans towards agnostic atheism. I am skeptical of humanly articulated conceptions of divinity, yet remain ambivalent regarding the potential existence of a supernatural entity beyond our comprehension. My conviction rests on the belief that consciousness concludes with mortality. However, an inherent, perhaps evolutionarily-acquired hope, allows me to retain a touch of wonder and openness to the vast unknown - a sentiment I find rationally justifiable in its own right.
@patrickbarnes9874 6 місяців тому
Matt was rude to Jordan in their discussion. There is no possible way to say that Matt was overly polite to him. Brown nosing isn't attractive.
@DeepDrinks 6 місяців тому
@@patrickbarnes9874 Where was he rude, please offer a timestamp
@robertconklin3850 3 місяці тому
@@IIIJTI tend to side more with Jordan. Mainly because when you break both arguments down, they are both based in concepts. The real argument should be, should a society thrive for virtue, or should a society thrive for happiness. I firmly believe that the reason Sam and Matt are able to seem like they hold their own, is because these debates take place under their arguments. For instance I can attack Matt's argument by claiming Rights are a concept not a reality, Body autonomy can't be a real thing, because someone can kill you against your will. The argument ought be, virtue vs happiness. I argue virtue is more compelling, because it's sustainable and can be with you, your entire life. Where happiness is brief spurts of the moment, and not sustainable.
@UndergroundIndigenousPrimate 2 місяці тому
@@IIIJT Yea, this is why the Grays avoid us ...
@GnosticInformant 8 місяців тому
I will never forget when Jordan Peterson said "Psychedelics prove God exists because they help people get off nicotine"
@suzbone 8 місяців тому
Peterson's argument was _ridiculous_ in the root sense of the word: worthy of ridicule.
@tbishop4961 8 місяців тому
You probably don't believe in magic hats either. Sucker. More for me
@kariannecrysler640 8 місяців тому
I laughed my ass off at the confirmation that “religious” experience is replicable by affecting the body’s chemistry. Proof that “religious experience” is human creation to explain human reaction. ✌️💗🤘
@iancolson4648 8 місяців тому
Then went on to insinuate that ptsd only comes from doing malicious acts within your life.
@aidenhastings6341 8 місяців тому
I was kinda shocked to hear him say that, although I don’t believe those were his exact words. It is worth being careful about quoting. But I’ve heard many what I consider to be wise things from Peterson.
@nem447 7 місяців тому
*_“Dr Peterson, what’s your favorite color?”_* “Well that depends on what you mean by favorite. And it also depends on what you mean by color. This is a very complex question... One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism...”
@mattsardina3458 7 місяців тому
Bloody brilliant.
@dbztitan 7 місяців тому
This might be the greatest thing I've ever read. Right up there with Crime and Punishment lmao
@KulaGGin 7 місяців тому
Yep. And on the other hand: -Mr. Dillahunty, what’s your favorite color? -Blue. And then he might even show exactly which kind of blue it is: is it a sky blue, or jeans blue, etc. Many of these people Dillahunty talks to try to use smarty pants words that most people don't even understand, because they're not philosophers and not debaters. On the other hand, Dillahunty uses simple language and once he uses even a little bit of a strange word, like, agnostic, or even the word atheist, he makes sure that the person he talks to understands what he means when he uses these words. And he tries to stay away from the smarty pants words as much as he can. Matt is probably the best debater on Earth tbh. I haven't seen a more powerful one.
@quarkz26 7 місяців тому
@@KulaGGin Peterson: But really, your favorite color isn't blue, because God put green in your heart.
@jerrylong6238 7 місяців тому
A perfect Peterson.
@patrickzebrauskas1218 7 місяців тому
How dare Jordan spoil the plot of Crime and punishment without saying “spoilers”!
@strannick2212 4 місяці тому
haha now i dont have to read it. or now maybe i will read it.
@leonesytigresyosos2695 3 місяці тому
That's what I always think when he mentions books. God...
@TheSket 3 місяці тому
“CURSES, he spoiled another decades/century old book. How DARE he!!!”
@strannick2212 3 місяці тому
@@TheSket now we don't gotta read it 😎
@kristiansandsmark2048 2 місяці тому
Yea! It's not like it has been out for long enough to warrant such actions.
@kapwns 7 місяців тому
i took shrooms but my experience was just below the mystical threshold, so now i'm stuck vaping.
@jonathanrussell1140 3 місяці тому
Lol
@Survivorguidetv 3 місяці тому
Same
@sootuckchoong7077 2 місяці тому
My brother quit smoking immediately after joining a company that sells health products. Miracle! 🚬❤
@residual_soap 2 місяці тому
i stopped because it just doesn't make me feel good. My mystical experience to help me stop smoking was nothing but a tummy ache.
@earthgirdler23 2 місяці тому
I took mushrooms, had a great and hilarious (but definitely non-spiritual) experience, and the next day found I had lost all desire to smoke. True (but dull) story.
@Deusmach1008 8 місяців тому
What's baffling is how people think Jordan Peterson is a great thinker or intellectual. The man sounds like a delusional teenager at Bible camp. Dillahunty made this painfully obvious.
@MrSeedi76 8 місяців тому
Peterson sounds like he's either on drugs or completely unhinged. I can't stand him, and I'm a Christian 😂.
@odinallfarther6038 8 місяців тому
Oh I so agree how people can interpret his dribble as intellectual is beyond my imagination .
@jimmythebold589 8 місяців тому
It's the accent, plus the suit, plus the endless pseudo-intellectual word salad. @@odinallfarther6038
@Dloin 8 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson is a natural Philosoph in the Age of Science. He rather explores shit with reason and looks what seems plausible then to just check. And the thing is, that he probably never bothers to look what actually has been figured out. So he ends up as this idea of an Intellectual for an uneducated Audience that doesn't botheres to check either. They just want very verbose reassurence.
@kidslovesatan34 8 місяців тому
4 posts but only 1 comment which means 3 of his fanboys posts got deleted because they were raging, which is so endearing.
@OneTheBlue 7 місяців тому
So when asked what an atheist would look like, Jordan responds with a book report.
@johnchristopher792 3 місяці тому
It was a politicians answer . Utter nonsense and totally off subject .
@residual_soap 2 місяці тому
he always guides the narrative that some of those questions are unanswerable, so he tries his best through someone else's fiction novel, when in reality he just doesn't know enough to answer a question like that. As you can see he went on a long tangent and book report as you put it and then when Matt who is educated on that stuff, gives a quick and concise answer that isn't drawn out to the moon.
@thevaccinator666 2 місяці тому
No it wasn't.@@johnchristopher792
@Gobbertron 2 місяці тому
@@residual_soapTypical Jordan Peterson word salad with such fun big words so he can say absolutely nothing while he pretends to be an intellectual. It’s unfortunate how well it works for people that have low intellectual self esteem and think agreeing with him make them many smarter
@residual_soap 2 місяці тому
@@Gobbertron absolutely. Its really plain to see but the education system isn't great here in the states so I don't even blame people. Its crazy how susceptible they are to propaganda, misinformation, fear mongering and just blatant narcissism as prominent as it is here.
@Kaddywompous 7 місяців тому
I just find myself internally shouting, “get to the point!!”
@Wishlake 3 місяці тому
and people should.
@Redwarfa 3 місяці тому
I find myself losing the will to live during most discussions from Americans They will never get to the point
@SantaInDaHouse 2 місяці тому
@@Redwarfa so what are you doing watching this video?
@Redwarfa 2 місяці тому
@@SantaInDaHouse I didnt
@SantaInDaHouse 2 місяці тому
@@Redwarfa why comment then?
@LPVince94 3 місяці тому
Imagine asking Jordan a straightforward question only for him to respond with a completely unprompted review of his favourite book. He's 14 year old me trying to insert the Lord of the Rings into every conversation to appear more intellectual.
@Gobbertron 2 місяці тому
“I can’t answer you, so I’m gonna try to sounds smart by reviewing a classic book using an overly academic vocabulary and hope you forget the question”
@steelyman08 2 місяці тому
It was mind boggling to listen to. I could hardly believe just how far he went with Crime & Punishment in order to not make his point.
@marioarmas1459 2 місяці тому
I dont think is that bad. You know not even the wise know all ends.......
@end.olives 2 місяці тому
Yeah, but did you ACTUALLY read the different variations of the silmarilion, specially when it comes to beren and luthien? POSER
@jordanbateman-uw1zg 2 місяці тому
To be fair LOTR is almost always applicable in any context
@AlexMNet 8 місяців тому
He only eats meat because his mouth is already full with enough word salad for a lifetime!
@bojack2740 8 місяців тому
😂😂🎉
@midnighthaven 7 місяців тому
Lol 🤣
@VaughanMcCue 7 місяців тому
Too clever for words - thanks.
@UsernameyMcUsernameFace 7 місяців тому
ZING!
@LukoseJoseph007 7 місяців тому
😂😂😂
@d20Fitness 8 місяців тому
“You can’t quit smoking with chemical assistance.” (Proceed to advocate hallucinogens as a means to give up smoking)
@BigSlimyBlob 7 місяців тому
He thinks the hallucinogens let you access a supernatural experience, and it's the supernatural experience that lets you quit smoking, not the hallucinogen. To be fair, that doesn't make much more sense.
@hieverybody4246 7 місяців тому
They work extremely well, or so the science tells us. As for using the word "can't," I think this is simply imprecise word usage. He clarifies it's very, very difficult a minute later. I thought the entire discussion, Peterson was teaching Matt quite a lot. I advise everyone to watch in its entirety. I don't believe in god one bit, but I still find Jordan's logical and scientific approach to things to be quite brilliant.
@d20Fitness 7 місяців тому
I'm aware of what he thinks. my critique of his logic is accurate@@BigSlimyBlob
@Volkbrecht 7 місяців тому
@@hieverybody4246 The problem with Jordan's scientific approach is that you have to know him to understand when he's talking, like psychologists do, in statistical terms. While I personally find that once you know him, the simplification makes his points stand out much more clearly, it also makes him very vulnerable to critique. Especially when debating more literal minded guys like Dillahunty, and thusly exposing himself to his audience, that is a mistake. Also, when you follow Peterson's approach, then you should know that the statement: "I don't believe in god" doesn't make sense, and just by writing in this comment section you show that you actually do, without even being aware of it. Or to put it into atheism-compatible terms: you follow a set of goals and values by acting them out in the world, and what stands on top of that hierarchy of values, basically your overall current life goal, is your god. You just don't call it that.
@CodexEvans 7 місяців тому
@@VolkbrechtI don't put much stock in your last point. I do good things because I like how it feels to do them, and I don't want recognition for them because I get self conscious. Like wise for not doing bad things, I try not to do them because I feel a deep sense of self shame, even if I don't face public consequences. If those vague feelings, and the mental frameworks I construct around them to better understand and rationalize them constitute a god on the same level as the Abrahamic creator god, then the word has no useful description. If instead you're saying that a god or gods are just feelings in people's brains that we made up stories about, and the stories got a little out of hand, then I agree with you.
@Fluffykeith 7 місяців тому
Peterson said you can’t stop smoking without a mystical experience. So I guess me realising in Uni that I could afford beer, or smokes, but not both....was a mystical experience....
@HalETosis 3 місяці тому
Beer is spirits, so you had a spiritual experience. 😁
@FunkadelicPancho 3 місяці тому
That's not what he said though
@Fluffykeith 3 місяці тому
@connoradcock6643 It is.
@xxGachaholic 3 місяці тому
That’s not what he said at all. People like you make me lose faith in humanity
@DarkCrusade3 2 місяці тому
@@FunkadelicPancho That is quite literally what he said.
@lrvogt1257 6 місяців тому
Peterson is the Rube Goldberg of pop culture. Make everything as complex and convoluted as possible and achieve very little. I know at least three people who simply stopped smoking and never did it again. They just threw away the cigarettes and they were done.
@cozyslor 3 місяці тому
Peterson would tell you that they weren't really true smokers
@MyReligionIs2DoGood 3 місяці тому
I believe you - because I did exactly that, too.
@susannehuber3996 3 місяці тому
And that’s why god exists. Because people can stop doing a drug that was created by humans….
@lrvogt1257 3 місяці тому
@@susannehuber3996 : God exists to help people quit smoking? Ha! OK. Good an excuse as any.
@MyReligionIs2DoGood 3 місяці тому
@@susannehuber3996 What humans can start, humans can stop. No god needed.
@anthonyharty1732 8 місяців тому
Peterson is a world champion at word salad.
@sebozz2046 8 місяців тому
Well not a great thing for a meat only eater
@youtubespag 8 місяців тому
@@sebozz2046snap
@anthonyharty1732 8 місяців тому
@@sebozz2046😂🤣😂
@jamesmcinnis208 7 місяців тому
It looks that way from my metaphorical substrate.
@1stew3digital49 7 місяців тому
Exactly... all he does is play samantic games
@jltrem 8 місяців тому
I quit smoking by gradually cutting down the amount I smoked on a daily basis until I was down to one cigarette a day. I knew I could go without one a day. Never had a mystical experience. Didn't need one.
@shanewilson7994 8 місяців тому
Good job
@jvalfin3359 8 місяців тому
Congratulations on that. That didn't really need be proven, but it apparently for Peterson, it is an outlandish idea for someone to be able to quit smoking without an "experience".
@nietzschescodes 8 місяців тому
"Never had a mystical experience". Funny thing, I don't believe you.
@jvalfin3359 8 місяців тому
@@nietzschescodes You don't believe they've NOT had a mystical experience? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 😄
@chadingram6390 8 місяців тому
Not an atheist either right? @@nietzschescodes
@jordanmiles2195 2 місяці тому
JP's ability to take incredibly simple concepts and obfuscate the absolute shit out of them is unparalleled.
@Mr.Goodkat Місяць тому
It's such a dishonest, dirty, underhanded tactic in a debate and shows you're less interested in the audience learning about what you're saying and more interested in them learning that you're smart, a sign of great insecurity.
@nicholasklein9180 Місяць тому
I'm not convinced of that
@DeshCanter 28 днів тому
Or, incredibly simple people like you just can’t, or won’t, follow what he’s saying.
@Warlikerooster03 22 дні тому
I understand him... You may disagree but it is not incoherent. And there is nothing "simple" about the topics they are trying to discuss.
@DeshCanter 22 дні тому
@@Warlikerooster03 And yet, for many basking in their own credulous naïveté the topics are simple; you just have to summarily dismiss any notion of humility or authentic skepticism, i.e., skepticism willing to be skeptical of skepticism itself.
@ihateunicorns867 6 місяців тому
Peterson's main tactic in all areas of debate seems to be: 1. Make some bold claim. 2. Is asked to elaborate/clarify/back up/provide evidence for said claim. 3. Refuse the answer the request simply by claiming it's a "very complicated question". 4. Start talking in depth about something very tenuously linked to the claim he made.
@ShuSkiIntl 3 місяці тому
5. Profit
@Norseman4 3 місяці тому
@@ShuSkiIntl 5. profit. Yeah, you nailed it. The fact that Peterson apparently has his own PR manager or whatnot says it all. Not that it came as a surprise. People like him always do.
@user-fn9yr3tl8j 3 місяці тому
Every public figure has their own PR Manager@@Norseman4
@prehistoricturtlesaurus5309 3 місяці тому
Step 1: collect underpants Step 2:??? Step 3: profit
@Vagabond824 3 місяці тому
Where did JP touch you
@CinematicSeriesGaming 7 місяців тому
Matt completely embarrassed Peterson, so I'm not surprised
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
He did not. for example: Peterson was right about smoking too. 95% failure to quit is pretty accurately described as "not really" especially when compared to 80% success. It's not proof of God but instead mat went with the strawman "it's impossible to quit without God" Mat was not debating peterson but Ken Ham. Mat and ken ham share a definition of God. Peterson does not. They spoke past each other the whole time.
@mylungpuppy 4 місяці тому
Peterson does not need anyone's help in embarrassing himself, he does a good job of it all on his own.
@odinson6348 8 місяців тому
DILLIHUNTY: "you can quit smoking without a mystical experience." PETERSON: "No not really." Ah yes, Peterson is such an intellectual giant...
@davidhughes7174 8 місяців тому
I stopped smoking, without assistance. So glad I did
@shanewilson7994 8 місяців тому
Its weird, friend of mine had a cancer scare, she quite smoking. No mystical experience, just a wake up call.
@definitivamenteno-malo7919 8 місяців тому
@@doomzstrafe2749nowadays you can call anyone an intellectual, then
@netsudro 8 місяців тому
A friend of mine quit smoking 10 years ago after smoking every day for 16 years. He just quit one day, no mystical experience. He just wanted to quit.
@KaiHenningsen 8 місяців тому
@@doomzstrafe2749You're talking about yourself?
@mbvurawn370 7 місяців тому
Peterson's answer to the 1st audience question was so long winded that I forgot the damn question. Did he answer the question? Because I feel like he went off on some unrelated tangent. I swear Peterson's in love with the sound of his own voice.
@JP-je6jg 3 місяці тому
It's what he does, talk for so long when asked something he can't explain, that you forget the point of the question. He talks and talks until you don't care anymore.
@RileyCallery 3 місяці тому
Wow. It was actually a brilliant answer. It also ironically elucidates his entire position on the subject, which very clearly is too complex for you to grasp.
@JP-je6jg 3 місяці тому
@@RileyCallery hmm not really. so Jordan Peterson suffers from what I call the Russell Brand phenomenon, where someone uses so many syllables that you assume they are clever, but the substance of their argument is absolute arsewater. Intelligent people, who understand what they are talking about, can condense complex ideas into an easier to digest form. Peterson doesn't need to give that answer. He could easily just describe the characteristics he wants to get across. Instead he gives such a bloated answer that you just cannot keep track of. Why when asked about atheists...did he start listing the plot of Crime and Punishment, in some detail I might add? He also makes ridiculous and sweeping generalisations that just don't belong in an honest debate. Jordan Peterson is capable of making very intelligent and concise points. This is not one of them.
@stephencarmickle 2 місяці тому
Its that atheists have no morality. But yes he just wanted to hear himself speak for much longer than necessary.
@pw6002 2 місяці тому
@@RileyCallery A good teacher tries everything he can to pass on his knowledge. A bad teacher tries everything he can to look and sound deep. Jordan Peterson is not a good teacher.
@theartguy6776 3 місяці тому
Here's a drinking game. Every time Peterson says "Metaphorical Substrate" take a shot.
@capitalb5889 2 місяці тому
He said those exact words as I read your post.
@theartguy6776 2 місяці тому
@@capitalb5889 lol. Careful that's a drinking game that will get you seriously messed up. JP only knows so many big words so he repeats them endlessly.
@larryscarr3897 2 місяці тому
He could switch it up for metaphysical condensate once in a while.
@MrSpleenboy Місяць тому
@@larryscarr3897The metaphysical condensate only forms once he's talked enough hot air into his substrate to make it mist up... Honestly, I think most of the time he talks right out of his metaphysical substrate. By which I mean arse.
@mikemorris2867 11 днів тому
JP's substrate makes me irate.
@MandyMoorehol 8 місяців тому
JP hasn’t stopped crying since
@douglascutler1037 7 місяців тому
Huh, now all that crying from JP suddenly seems to make sense.
@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid 7 місяців тому
😂
@CatDaddyGuitar 8 місяців тому
Peterson drives the conversation into a ditch, bounce back out and muddy the tires and declares the car has never been washed. Anybody who can't answer a question directly is selling you something.
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 7 місяців тому
Mind Begs the Question: To support,aid an Apartheid State Righteous,Evil?
@CatDaddyGuitar 7 місяців тому
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings I don't understand broken statements. I'm struggling to find a subject or a point.
@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid 7 місяців тому
In Peterson's case, besides Christianity, he's trying to sell you that he's a well read and longtime successful psychologist that commands attention to his every thought. Worthy of writing self help books that ought not be questioned. All of it. That's what I take away from his word salad. But put him in a room with a true great mind like Dillahunty (who was never educated at a uni level) and Matt's clear language and thinking totally exposes Peterson. THAT'S why his marketing team said don't ever debate that guy again!
@cameronbell415 7 місяців тому
@@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid hahahahahahahahaha a great mind line dillahunty? What the hell are you actually talking about? lol
@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid 7 місяців тому
@@cameronbell415 The guy humiliates ivy league educated apologists all the time. He's a talented mentalist who makes a good living pretending to read minds. He's dating a dripping hot trans woman half his age. He outfoxes his crazy family and lives a happy life despite their attempts to make him miserable. Clearly you prefer Jordan "gets banned then reinstated to Twitter by Musk- immediately calls for banning trolls (🤣)" Peterson and his theist buddies lousy with hypocrisy. Birds of a feather I guess. But no one can intelligently deny a self-taught man who regularly spanks people who don't know a syllogism from a navel despite $200,000 educations is a sharp edge.
@pacificbob24 4 місяці тому
When I came out to a Christian friend that I had known for many years that I don't believe there is a god, his response was "You just think you don't". he walked away and that was that.
@ClarkPotter 2 місяці тому
Where do you live that you have to "come out" as an atheist?
@NotFromUtahRy 2 місяці тому
@@ClarkPotter The United States of America is one place like that. My hometown in Michigan is a place where coming out as atheist turns heads and gets people worked into a frenzy.
@melon9680 2 місяці тому
South Africa, people just think your a Satanist. I had an uncle who bragged about starting fights with gay people because he felt he had the right, because the Bible condemns them. Just like that an otherwise decent ish person, lead to do despicable acts because belief is more important than objective reasoning.
@matthewgraham7423 2 місяці тому
@@ClarkPotter The American South
@banishedbr 2 місяці тому
@@ClarkPotter nah man it's the other way around, we are all born atheist, religion comes after from ppl around who were brain washed before.
@shmick6079 6 місяців тому
I don’t think that JP actually believes some of the things that he commits to. I think he does it to appeal to his base.
@theshizzz 2 місяці тому
Oh please. Really? Have you never had convictions at the bar with friends?
@tiromandal6399 2 місяці тому
Worst defense ever.
@Gobbertron 2 місяці тому
Well he does his best to make sure he believes what he says by crafting such great indisputable, unverifiable, and more often than not completely irrelevant talking points. But yes, it would seem that he’s either incredibly talented at vomiting big words with no understanding, OR he doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying and safeguards his position from the masses with overly academic language
@theshizzz 2 місяці тому
@@Gobbertron so we are indemnifying vernacular now? Sure.
@Gobbertron 2 місяці тому
@@theshizzzno, unfortunately you missed the point. Political scientists are well known for writing with advanced vocabulary to create obstacles for poor people to read there work. Similarly, Jordan Peterson uses his very impressive vocabulary to make himself sound smart without actually making any relevant or disputable claims. People that don’t have the skills to follow think he’s profound because of it, hence he gains followers and profits. Academic language can be fantastic for conciseness and accuracy-I have no issue with it. I have an issue with Peterson misusing academic language to make his unverifiable claims sound more appealing to his un-academic audience. You’re more than welcome to use your impressive vocabulary wherever you see fit.
@ezra3776 7 місяців тому
Yeah, I can understand why JPs manager didn't want his client getting wrecked.
@donharris8846 3 місяці тому
JP puts in so much effort to appear smart that he does the opposite. Truly smart people take great lengths to simplify things as much as possible.
@bosatsu76 2 місяці тому
Exactly... If you cant' explain something effortlessly, you don't understand it... Perterson's reliance on long winded round about wanderings shows he's afraid of being judged to be not good enough. Sounds like a Mommy issue to me. Has taken me a long time to iron out that part of my dysfunction... Still working on it.
@camotobe 2 місяці тому
God is alive. He touch human heart. Its clear for those who search him. The sin is that they don't believe in Me said Jesus. Yes it is simple.
@Mr.Goodkat Місяць тому
@@bosatsu76 Yeah his (appallingly bigoted/hateful) views on children is a massive red flag he was abused as a child and his 12 rules for life book has highly disturbing advice on how to hurt your kids, not making them do anything which would cause you to dislike them and all if followed would produce someone fearful of not being good enough, clearly what happened to him, I also heard he was bullied so that would add further to that feeling.
@CheCoker-my9gu Місяць тому
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@elgringo1893 6 місяців тому
What's an atheist? "So let me give you this book review"
@JTH43 7 днів тому
Well if thats what you took away, it means your just not equipped to handle a decent answer lol
@elgringo1893 7 днів тому
@@JTH43 Jordan Peterson is incapable of providing a decent answer, that's why he waffles on about something irrelevant instead of giving the answer.
@JTH43 6 днів тому
@@elgringo1893 You mean like your critique? Lacks substance? No, it just relies on someone following a couple of of logical thoughts rather than just smearing someone generally. Let me ask you, why wouldn’t a true atheist murder a person who negatively impacted everyone around them? If rationally you could deduce that murder would positively impact everyone, why not just do it?
@ramon2008 5 днів тому
@@JTH43 nah he’s incapable of providing a decent answer
@JTH43 5 днів тому
@@ramon2008 Another response with no substance
@michaelwright8896 8 місяців тому
"I place you considerably higher than most apologists that I've engaged with" - Matt Dillahunty
@SuperJal1979 8 місяців тому
I think that is called 'damning with faint praise'.
@Nymaz 8 місяців тому
"considerably higher" Maybe he was just trying to quit smoking and had dropped LSD in order to see God...
@LDrosophila 7 місяців тому
He was being generous JP was nearly in tears
@akiblue 7 місяців тому
@@LDrosophila isn't JP always in tears? The man has emotional problems.
@el-adcohen8201 7 місяців тому
I think this conversation with Delahunty might be where I dropped any idea that JP was operating in the same intellectual sphere as many smart people. Constantly redefining anything that disagrees with you so that you don't have to really engage is the hallmark of a terrified mind.
@tgenov 7 місяців тому
A terrified mind never steps outside of the bounds of Language. It’s the garden of Eden - the safe place - the training wheels of thought. You have to step “outside” its contemporary meaning in order to do anything even remotely resembling free thought. A terrified mind never questions whether they have any foundation for their own morals. Are they merely opinions? It's a terrifying question. Yes, your morals are merely opinions - if you are an atheist ;)
@vojtik135 7 місяців тому
I dropped the idea of JP being an intellectual the first time I heard one of his word salads.
@stevenpike7857 4 місяці тому
He did this in another debate where he tried to redefine "psychopath," by strongly asserting his own defintion as fact to prove promiscuous people were psychopaths. He's a pseudo-intellectual with a bag of tools, manipulations, and more pseudo-intellectual babble than all Star Trek shows and movies combined.
@adamm2091 4 місяці тому
JP excels in the lecture room. His debates/podcast hosting leaves much to be desired.
@johnrussell-bk7lv 4 місяці тому
Yeah he's also extremely thin-skinned. It's weird to me that so many people think he's the very image of traditional manliness when he turns into a blubbering baby every time he's insulted in the media. His very persona is a contradiction to the way that he writes. You can't preach about self-confidence while literally crying about how mean people are to you. In a better world, that ruins your credibility. Unfortunately we live in this one, so pointing that out makes me a Trans Leninist Snowflake or whatever. I swear we're at the point where elementry school students are more mature than the adults they turn into.
@EdwardBast 4 місяці тому
Too bad Matt didn't begin his response by pointing out Peterson's misunderstanding of Crime and Punishment. Raskolnikov's crisis of guilt was not because he broke "an inviolable moral rule" by killing the moneylender Alyona Ivanova, it was because of the collateral damage, his unplanned murder of an innocent witness, Alyona's mentally challenged half-sister Lizaveta. This is brought home by Raskolnikov's nightmare of an overworked horse beaten to death in front of him on the street. Lizaveta, whom Alyona had treated like a pack animal, was symbolically embodied in that dream horse.
@stravvman 21 день тому
So killing moneylender is good unless there is collateral damage?
@JEDUBBELLE 6 місяців тому
Dillahunty wishes to educate, Peterson to aimlessly pontificate.
@AussieNaturalist 8 місяців тому
My brother, who is a very smart guy, fell for JPs nonsense, until I put him onto the conversation between JP and Matt. JP is very good and sounding like hes saying something profound, when in reality hes spitting out word salad and deepities.
@Wonzling0815 7 місяців тому
I think Peterson is a great weaver of words but aA terrible keeper of structured argument. When he debates, he starts putting forth complex ideas that he soon loses track of in his mind. His mental picture unravels but he is quick to verbally weave together old and new bits and pieces on the fly. The result is an argument that looks coherent but is completely scrambled and incoherent at a closer look.
@PatrickSilent 7 місяців тому
100%@@Wonzling0815
@jonathan4189 7 місяців тому
I turned a friend around with JPs conversation with Sam Harris. And I think it's worth noting our friends are both smart but I wonder if yours was looking for something. Mine is bad with people and couldn't figure out why the few personal relationships he had were starting to fall apart around his hardline stance on issues. That's when he found Peterson. Just like with cults, it's not about how smart you are its about what emotional state you're in.
@eduardosantana8300 7 місяців тому
I like JP with very few of his positions. But here he just makes a fool of himself, as he seems to do often lately. But I feel the same about dillahunty. His discourse around gender is religious.
@AussieNaturalist 7 місяців тому
@@eduardosantana8300 Im in a similar boat that you are. JP does parrot some valid points, but they are other peoples ideas, whereas his own ideas seem to be a muddled mix of word salad and BS that equates to utter nonsense, which, sadly, a lot of people fall for. Matts views on gender do seem to be personally motivated, instead of being rationally logically conclusions based on sound arguments and valid evidence, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that his views on gender are "religious", not yet anyway.
@FurnaxIkki 8 місяців тому
Peterson is just like the people who try to quote him in an intellectual environment: they crack like cheap glass when someone even remotely competent can cut through their bullshit. And Matt is very good at that.
@repent.sinner 8 місяців тому
Sike
@adriandurn5903 8 місяців тому
If Peterson is never challenged he sounds wonderfully clever, but so does Spirit Science and Deepak Chopra
@repent.sinner 8 місяців тому
@@adriandurn5903 matt is a clown who is not capable of listening, simple as that, he's a reprobate.
@KaiHenningsen 8 місяців тому
@@adriandurn5903To be honest, even on his own, he never sounded "wonderfully clever" to me. Maybe that's because the first I heard were his rants about that Canadian law.
@Chriscraft50 8 місяців тому
After several carefully attempts to hear and understand Peterson, his only point is that you may see god if you take majic mushrooms. All those words for such a simple point. I don't find that clever in the least. He's a man who loves the sound of his own voice.
@chrism3790 5 місяців тому
For someone who only eats meat, Jordan sure does love word salad.
@jesuiscequejesuis2267 4 місяці тому
Underrated comment.
@thomaskloecker1572 3 місяці тому
Ha ha ha. But the comment about Jordan eating only meat is ad hominem and unbecoming.
@carlorizzo827 2 місяці тому
Guffaw, i confess i find JP so grating, i tune out before givinh it a chance
@childpeanut5095 2 місяці тому
@@thomaskloecker1572 u homininphobic or sumn?
@avi8r66 8 місяців тому
JP is growing into a cult leader, he's lost touch with reality more and more as his popularity has grown among the religious right.
@thomasolson8417 8 місяців тому
Growing into...? He has been for decades.
@avi8r66 8 місяців тому
@@thomasolson8417 He got a lot more attention in the 2020 election cycle, the right wing crowd flocked to him more than ever before.
@radscorpion8 8 місяців тому
@@thomasolson8417 he has not been a host on the daily wire and making episodes for prager u or decrying climate change "for decades" that's been pretty recent
@thomasolson8417 8 місяців тому
@@radscorpion8 Maybe not in those particular circumstances, but he's been problematic af for decades.
@saifernandez8622 7 місяців тому
Ironically, Jung wrote about the dangers of Psychologists becoming cult leaders.
@chaoticneutral1090 7 місяців тому
Oh yeah, that question "what would a real atheist look like" was so good, the first time i heard JP actually admit what he truly thinks. We owe that question-asker a steak only cooked with salt on a freshly cleansed grill
@betadecay6503 7 місяців тому
"freshly cleansed"? Like with holy water or something?
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
Jordan is an atheist by mats definition and mat is not by jordans definition. The issue is the definition. Mats version of God is that of Ken ham, magic man in the sky. Jordans is ones highest ideal. So a "true atheist" is someone without any ideal/moral code. To have a moral code is synonymous with being a theist. It's semantics. It was a real shame they couldn't get past or seemingly even notice that was the case. Both talked past each other the whole time. I've seen hundreds of hours of both of them. TBH it was a waste of everyones time and so the publicist was probably right. Mat refuses to entertain anything other than sunday school versions of God. He serves his purpose well debating people that believe in that version but for anyone else does not. Peterson was right about smoking too. 95% failure to quit is pretty accurately described as "not really" especially when compared to 80% success. It's not proof of God but instead mat went with the strawman "it's impossible to quit without God"
@Southpaw88 4 місяці тому
@@chrisallum9044explain why Im empathic even tho I don't believe in God.
@Mr.Goodkat Місяць тому
@@Southpaw88 Most people who believe in God, think you can be empathic without believe in him, they can simply say he "wrote it in your heart" or God makes all his creatures empathic or something.
@DoctorAgita 2 місяці тому
I'm just proud of Jordan for making it that long without weeping
@agent-sz2qj 28 днів тому
He forgot about Carl Jung that's why
@Dentspeed 2 місяці тому
“It’s such a complicated question that that’s the right answer.” What BS
@Pancakegr8 8 місяців тому
“You’re too good to be an atheist” I swear I’ve experienced this before. I exemplified good character to someone and out of nowhere they asked me if I believed in god. Then they were surprised I said no.
@geralhammonds9272 7 місяців тому
"Good" meaning what? And why does it mean anything to be good? If you're just a walking meat sack temporarily for a few years wandering around on the face of a floating Rock in space. What is good and why?
@Pancakegr8 7 місяців тому
@@geralhammonds9272 You don’t need a god to develop moral codes and ethics.
@geralhammonds9272 7 місяців тому
@@Pancakegr8 why have "good" moral code and ethics? Who says what "good" is? And why does it matter? You DON'T matter, you're just a souless empty walking meat puppet.
@lets_wrapitup 7 місяців тому
@@Pancakegr8if we define God as the apex of a hierarchy of values, then anyone who believes in a hierarchy of values advertently or inadvertently believes in God.
@Pancakegr8 7 місяців тому
We should change the definition of Satan to mean hierarchy of values. That way we can all follow Satan.@@lets_wrapitup
@biscotty6669 7 місяців тому
When anyone tells you that they know what you "really" think/believe even though you don't then you know they're a charlatan.
@music4meh 3 місяці тому
nono, they know what you really believe because Jung told them to you cannot know, but they do!
@tonybari478 2 місяці тому
To a degree, dont forget humans are animals.
@thevaccinator666 2 місяці тому
A charlatan? What's the correlation there?
@music4meh 2 місяці тому
@@thevaccinator666 You feel the need to protect something here. Deep down you need to rectify the narrative you have about Peterson, and you cannot stand people disagreeing with you. Which obviously says something about control. You need to be in control. Cast your gaze inwards and go towards your first memories of not being in control. Now you see it. Save Peterson. Explain to us why you find it insulting that he was called a ''charlatan''.
@biscotty6669 2 місяці тому
@@thevaccinator666 assuming you are not being sarcastic...MD performs as a mind reader while JP claims he actually knows what you really think/believe, really, deep down, things you don't even realize but he can see using the crystal ball in his mind... that's a charlatan.
@duncanwallace7760 4 місяці тому
I counter Jordan's fictional 'Crime & Punishment' example with: witch trials. Successful societies evolve morality. If you had two societies, one which encourages theft and murder, and one which prohibits it, the second would be a far more attractive society to live in and would survive. Moral codes evolve like everything else. I cannot understand why some religious people find it 'impossible' to understand this.
@Nonya12608 2 місяці тому
Shocking that the guy who can't quit drugs thinks that people can't kick addiction without drugs. 😂
@tomcooper6108 8 місяців тому
JP got a good beating from Matt. He can take an answer that takes a paragraph to answer and write a novel.
@MagereHein 7 місяців тому
I'm still baffled that JoPe, when asked to tell what or who a Real Atheist is, comes up with a fictional one.
@Guah00 6 місяців тому
Years ago I was a fan, and I remember reading his book where he had said the exact same thing about atheism and the typical atheist, alluding to Crime and Punishment. I instantly lost so much respect for him and couldn't even take the rest of his book seriously afterwards.
@wunnell 6 місяців тому
It's ironic that he admires Dostoyevsky for not strawmanning his characters while using one of his characters to strawman atheists in general.
@JD-xz1mx 5 місяців тому
There not really being any such thing as an atheist makes it difficult to answer.
@MagereHein 5 місяців тому
@@JD-xz1mxOoh, a mind reader, are you?
@wunnell 5 місяців тому
@@JD-xz1mx, your comment doesn't really make much sense as is but, if I'm interpreting it correctly, it's just an outright lie. No one is making it difficult for Jorderson to answer. He was asked a simple question and he was given every opportunity to answer. He chose to claim that you cannot be a "real" atheist unless you meet his specific criteria. he's really just claiming that he knows every atheist better than they know themselves.
@Stobbie 5 місяців тому
"Its a complicated question" and "it would take me a very long time to explain" make my bullshit detector ring loudly.
@Coconautify 3 місяці тому
No, it is complicated.... morality in particular is exceedingly complicated as is the notion of free will. These are concepts that are difficult to walk people through in this kind of format. Maybe he has just become somewhat lazy in terms of describing with problems he is grappling with, or cannot simply break these philosophical concepts down into layman's terms, but I have no doubt whatsoever that he is grappling with them.
@koookeee 2 місяці тому
"That’s kinda like evidence!" very much sounds like a line from Lionel Hutz...
@jonathansamuelaugustine7969 12 днів тому
The best response to this would be to take the statement at face value and reply with a "Well... That's kinda like... Your opinion... Man"
@koookeee 12 днів тому
@@jonathansamuelaugustine7969 Hey careful man, there's a beverage here!
@davegonnaway6007 8 місяців тому
Jordan wont debate matt because of the quintessential qualities of the underlying principle that if you exist in an antidisestablished monkey banquet then god and jesus could therefore exist...
@jedsithor 7 місяців тому
Don't forget about the substrait.
@benjaminnowack8433 7 місяців тому
@@jedsithor The metaphysical substrate?
@rossleeson8626 7 місяців тому
‘But through Marx lens of the post modernist dialectic how do we know the banquet is real? mean one man’s banquet is another man’s porridge and Little riding hood was never invited. And that is why I’m here today at the community college of Sometown. The globalist Marxists have installed a disabled toilet. This is fascist, they will not force this gender pronoun on me.’ Jordan Peterson probably . .
@donniejuan 7 місяців тому
"Jordan Peterson doesn't have followers because his arguments are logically airtight. There are many men who are fed up with feeling that they are somehow marginalized or made peripheral. Peterson is someone who is telling them what they want to hear on an emotional level. Jordan Peterson's simplistic perspective on the universe is not sustained by rigorous science."-Neurologist Robert Sapolsky
@baptistoriginals 7 місяців тому
bingo. I don't think Peterson even believes the things I've heard him say about deities and religions.
@robertpodbery242 7 місяців тому
@@baptistoriginals True,, i have seen him really try to convince himself that god is real. did not work.. In fairness I saw him try again 2years later and he had convinced himself
@cameronbell415 7 місяців тому
@@baptistoriginals lol doctor baptist over here
@baptistoriginals 7 місяців тому
@@cameronbell415 good one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Volkbrecht 7 місяців тому
@@baptistoriginals If you think that you have not understood what he says. And by the way, Jordan is neither the first nor the only one who tries to put religion into an evolutionary context. Which is an extremely atheism-compatible viewpoint.
@M.Linoge 8 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson is living proof that you should never take a man seriously just because he has a fancy degree.
@gregorybaetens8056 7 місяців тому
he is a fricking teacher... it's not fancy... he is not a practising PhD, he is just a teacher, you know, those who can't do it, teach it..
@Seeker-bj4ct 7 місяців тому
He’s a big hype job
@zapkvr 7 місяців тому
@@gregorybaetens8056Yeah Ive heard that. My first year business teacher was a PhD. Dumb as a bag of rocks
@m.caeben2578 7 місяців тому
You take him seriously because he brings value. Although when one’s at the edge, you’ll see much experimentation going on. This Harvard and Toronto professor who amassed international respect does have value in quite a lot of regards. Take care,
@alphabravo8703 7 місяців тому
When at the VA, I got into an argument with my care provider about the benefits of marijuana. He made several assertions which were just false. When I pointed this out, he said he was a doctor, like that settled the argument. I asked if having an M.D. after his name precluded him from lying. We never saw each other again.
@hellofranky99 7 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson has yet to directly answered a serious question regarding his own beliefs.
@seantiz 2 місяці тому
Well…I guess no atheist can ever stop smoking.
@pragmaticcrystal 8 місяців тому
Normalize Atheism…Normalize Skepticism
@kariannecrysler640 8 місяців тому
💯 Only by becoming accountable to the world we live in and our actions in it, can people truly be their best selves. Your subservience to a higher power is not the actions of being accountable, it’s 😂👁️🥰self preservation at the expense of others, but don’t worry god loves the self serving & barbaric.
@pragmaticcrystal 8 місяців тому
@@kariannecrysler640 🙌
@charlesoliver2535 8 місяців тому
Normalize skepticism....atheism will thrive!
@nicolasandre9886 8 місяців тому
@@charlesoliver2535: if there was a way to discourage religious indoctrination of children by their parents, that would already be a great step forward.
@pragmaticcrystal 8 місяців тому
@@nicolasandre9886 perpetual ignorance 💯
@mrmaat 8 місяців тому
Dillahunty was Teflon. Peterson kept throwing verbal garbage and Matt brushed it off respectfully time and time again. Peterson thoroughly embarrassed himself in that discussion - it’s not surprising he doesn’t want to be confronted on his bullshit again.
@zeebozabo2008 5 місяців тому
Just to be fair, Peterson never said, "Atheists are murderers," like Matt claimed, he described a fictional character who was intended by its author to illustrate the way rationality can lead individuals into committing serious crimes absent a belief in a universal God. Not the same thing as saying "all atheists are murderers," or "non atheists never commit crimes against humanity," he's just describing the world as he sees it, which is in the absence of a universal God, all morals are socio-culturally relative and there's no definitive way to claim that what the Nazis did was evil, the gulags, wars, famines, etc. were evil. The only way you can is by redefining good to mean "human flourishing," which puts good in the context of a "good move" in chess, it just puts you closer to winning. And it would be fair to say that winning is preferable to losing in most instances, and that as a civilization we would want as many people to win as absolutely possible, but this does nothing to establish values and morals independent of human opinion. So Peterson's concern is that absent the effects of a belief in God, more Nazis, gulags, etc. might spring up because the stakes of the game are significantly lower. Totally fair to criticize this view, especially since Peterson himself comes off at times like he treats religion or faith as a noble lie rather than a deeply held belief. Not to mention history is full of non atheists committing crimes against humanity!
@831Billy 26 днів тому
Hitler was Catholic
@raoul_duke7253 2 місяці тому
As someone with advanced degrees in philosophy, symbolic logic and discrete math…. thank you for doing this. It really laid bare Peterson’s pseudo-intellectual bs. I’ve tried to explain it to so many ‘deep thinker’ bros and it’s like we’re speaking different languages… I guess we are lol. What’s weird is you could tell he felt exposed, until each time he got about 30-60 seconds into ‘lecture mode’.
@trippinsciko 2 місяці тому
for real though, not to mention it seems like "deep thinker bros" are all insecure about how stupid they are and don't realize that stupidity comes from a lack of curiosity, so they try to negate all this by following one or more "intellectual" figureheads that they will remember to quote in order to appear smart
@citizenVader 8 місяців тому
I always have a dormitory feeling of the universe giggling every time Jordan is painfully painting himself in a corner. The sound of an old bike being dragged by a bus through the streets every time he's exited.
@citizenVader 8 місяців тому
The importance of the man, or the illusion of it, just oozes like out like a hurt mylar balloon fizzing on a stick.
@Bob-of-Zoid 8 місяців тому
Superior comparisons!!!🤪😂😜 Today you win the internet!! Actually, his voice is also not far from the sound of a bike being dragged by a buss, and a toilet bowl too down a curvy road made of ground up chalkboards mixed into the concrete!
@doyoufeel...thatyoulackcri6760 8 місяців тому
like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth?
@eisbombenterror 8 місяців тому
For me quitting to smoke was actually easy: I didn't light any cigarette anymore. It has been 15 years ago. No shrooms, no nothing. Must have been god for sure... 🙄
@anthonyharty1732 8 місяців тому
You forgot the ‘Angel’s’ or the ‘Devil’ 😂🤣😂
@paulcleary8088 8 місяців тому
Yup. One of the most insane assertions JP has ever stated. I quit cold turkey 24 years ago. No supernatural, mystical experience needed. Just the desire and will power to do it.
@anthonyharty1732 8 місяців тому
@@paulcleary8088 I packed up alcohol, it will be 26 years on New Year’s Day 2024 since I’ve had a drop. No Jesus, ‘God’ or ‘Angels’ needed. The baddy ‘Devil’ didn’t try to make me fail either. 😂 I did it all by myself. 😂
@Vhlathanosh 8 місяців тому
@@anthonyharty1732 oh, but he works in mysterious ways. 😂😂😂
@Nocturnalux 8 місяців тому
Both my grandmother and mother were long term smokers, both atheists, both quit smoking with no mystical experience whatsoever. My mother smoked from her early teens to mid sixties. She would smoke up to three packs a day.
@djordjekojicic Місяць тому
I'm tired of being told that believe in deity is the only way to be a good person. What about constant awareness of not causing suffer and inconvenience to others. Just ask yourself frequently: "how would I feel if somebody has done it to me?". If one's fear of punishment is the only reason for not being bad, than one is hypocrite.
@Demonizer5134 3 місяці тому
Matt Dillahunty completely destroyed Jordan Peterson with that last statement. That was awesome!
@JamesRichardWiley 8 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson is a born again Christian who suffered a terrifying near death experience. He is now thoroughly convinced that Jesus is real and the Bible is true while ignoring the neural network of his own brain that produces visions, dreams, ideas, and the constant drone of his own internal dialogue. Matt is one of the most coherent thinkers I have ever listened to and credit him with showing me how to deconstruct my Catholic indoctrination and find peace within my own head.
@repent.sinner 8 місяців тому
And the most incoherent listener I've ever heard with his hardern heart and reprobate mind.
@pleasureisgood5957 8 місяців тому
I came back from a near death experience more anti-christianity than ever 🤣 Although I have seen something during that experience, unusual af, never ever heard of anyone seeing the same. People see tunnels, lights, dead relatives and all thpse clichés. I saw a whole place made of candy. Grass, soil, trees, water. It was all a bunch of candy. That would be hell if I was a dentist I guess.
@-paganless-4248 8 місяців тому
@@pleasureisgood5957 The God of candy has spoken to you, me he bless our taste buds with milk chocolate.
@pleasureisgood5957 8 місяців тому
@@-paganless-4248 hahahah, yeah. Tbh this hallucination MIGHT be super scary if I stretch the meaning of it a little bit. This near death experience occurred during a ketho-acidic coma. Those types of comas are caused when the sugar in your blood turns to acetic acid due to pancreas malfunction or stop function completly, usually a sympton of undiagnosed type 1 diabetes(can occur with type 2 as well but less frequently) So, I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, both my kidneys almost stopped working and my brain functions and eyes were stopping as well, so I was put in induced coma. So, if you go by the notion of post-life punishment of the ancient greeks for example it would fit very well. I would be in a place with abundance of delicious things, vut they all would fuc* me up if I eat them, being so close yet so far of it. Although I think my main sin is lust, bot glutony, I don't even like sweets too much, it's more likelly my diabetes was hereditary as it is type 1. But hypothetically, even if I experienced hell I'd still not bow tp tyrants.
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 8 місяців тому
@@pleasureisgood5957 but you'd still bow to stalin?
@bortiz11 8 місяців тому
having watched that conversation/debate, I can see how JP's producers would have told him to never talk/debate with Matt publicly!
@Hammern28 7 місяців тому
I wouldn't say that Jordan is stupid... but to me, it kinda looks like he has " gone over ". Crossed the line... genius or just bonkers. I think he has gone bonkers.
@Kenar.E 6 місяців тому
The level Matt Dillahunty reached in order to misunderstand simple concepts make me think otherwise.
@bortiz11 6 місяців тому
@@Kenar.E how so?
@Southpaw88 4 місяці тому
@@Kenar.Eoh please, explain jp's simple word salad concepts 😂😂
@Kenar.E 4 місяці тому
@@Southpaw88 I'll copy paste what I already wrote: I really can't understand how this man refused to understand what Peterson was saying about mystical experience. Mystical experiences aren't proof that there's something mystical, but they are proof of themselves. You had a mystical experience? You feel like your life changed or has to change? That's it, that's the "miracle" that happened. It's not magic, it's not divine intervention as the Bible would intend it, it's a divine intervention of how WE, humans, would act towards ourselves. It's a matter of unconscious action/interpretation of the world. That's the "magic", which isn't, ironically.
@Therap1ssed 6 місяців тому
JP is painful to watch debate. He avoids taking any position to prevent being cornered, and babbles on about nonsense when he does speak. He's totally gone off the deep end since this debate and now has full blow messiah complex.
@donniejuan 8 місяців тому
Apparently Matt is bad for the Peterson brand.
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
The debate was bad. They spoke past each other the entire time. Mat refuses to entertain any definition of God other than magic man in the sky. Peterson does not believe in or defend that God. So peterson was arguing for A while mat was arguing against B. It was bad for them both. I've watched hundreds of hours of Mat and peterson, like them both but mat had a chance to step up to the next level here but refused to take the step instead clinging to the game he knows. Ken ham and co Which is fine, he's good at that game. Nobody won the debate because there was no debate.
@profanepersonality 7 місяців тому
My friend quit smoking after 35 years, cold turkey, and is an athiest. 😂😂😂
@downscope3133 4 місяці тому
Cold turkey is very mystical.
@profanepersonality 4 місяці тому
@downscope3133 it sure is. It's cold, and it's turkey. Very mystical.
@Jenna_Miles 4 місяці тому
B..b..but Kermit said that wasn’t possible 😳😱🤯
@downscope3133 4 місяці тому
@@Jenna_Miles I think he sounds more like Grover.
@Jenna_Miles 3 місяці тому
@@downscope3133 Either way, we can all agree Jordan Peterson is a fucking muppet 🙌😆
@bluewren2 5 місяців тому
Actually that is not what Jordan Peterson said .It stands to reason though if an Atheist decides to commit murder he has no real barrier against doing so when just his reason makes a case for it.
@saldiven2009 7 місяців тому
The smoking thing is nonsense. I know tons of people who aren't religious at all who quit smoking, such as my father. It's the most indefensibly ludicrous comment I've heard in a long time. I challenge Peterson to produce any peer reviewed study that supports the idea that people cannot quit smoking without a "spiritual experience." Dude seriously pulled that out of his behind. Edit: Ok. His discussion of Raskolnikov being what a "real atheist" would look like surpasses the smoking comment.
@TheGiantMidget 4 місяці тому
I read crime and punishment because of his lecture on it and when i read it i got the impression that what actually drove raskolnikov mad was paranoia about being caught by the police. I didn't get the impression that he was tortured by any sort of empathy for the woman it seemed like he was just in a state of panic more than anything
@garyr7027 3 місяці тому
If anything it's like drugs or alcohol, it may start out from a spiritual condition, kinda like an escape from reality in your mind, but guaranteed once hooked at that point the reasons for continuing is purely linked to a physical condition. The only spiritual connection then would be the willingness and reasons to give it up. Doesn't necessarily require a spiritual connection to do it, more like you just know you should.
@theQuestion626 3 місяці тому
And that is the thing about Peterson: he never produces any evidence or sites any studies that back up any arguments that he makes. He’s done this from the very beginning. I was watching the Cathy Newman interview sometime ago, the supposed interview that Peterson “owned“ her, but all I saw was him talking in circles and not producing any evidence for his arguments. And then he does this smug “Ha Gotcha!” when Newman has to sit and sift through his bullshit. And that was really all he had to say: bullshit. Admittedly I think she was playing for the cameras because cranks like Peterson bring in viewers. But she could’ve put a stick right through if she just asked him to site studies or just to name them, the studies where he gets his information that forms of arguments. Peterson never does this, because Peterson is, forgive my frank language, full of shit. The man is completely indefensible. I’ve listen to his lectures I’ve read his books and I’m not impressed by whatever intellect he believes he possesses. As of anything? I’m genuinely concerned for his mental state, because he does not seem to be a man that is operating with a full deck. But I don’t really offer him much compassion because he is a cynical opportunist along with being a pseudo intellectual and a coward.
@theQuestion626 3 місяці тому
@@TheGiantMidget That was my impression as well. But if I ever remember correctly Raskolnikov came to his Epiphany after he was arrested. Peterson makes some pretty interesting interpretations of literature, but that doesn’t mean that he is a philosopher or even a very good psychologist. The very fact that he thinks that a true atheist would be based on a fictional character is quite telling, it means that he spends so much of his time in his own head instead of actual reality. When he went off on a tangent about crime and punishment, he lost the thread of the point he was attempting to make. He just basically gave his own Amazon review about the book. It’s amazing to me that people can listen to him speak in that irritating voice and his pompous verbosity and think that he has some kind of giant of intellectualism.
@TheGiantMidget 3 місяці тому
@@theQuestion626 yeah i think it's a weak argument if the only example of his idea of a true atheist is a fictional character that hardly anyone in real would be like. I think he did that deliberately as if to say that only fictional characters would be truly atheist. Kinda goes back to his point that he insists atheists aren't actually atheists. He ignores so many of the reasons why someone who doesn't believe in god would refrain from murdering people like empathy, fear of the law, fear of retribution, lack of motivation etc. You could make an argument that if everyone was an atheist then morality would cease to be objective and the laws wouldn't make any sense anymore and the system could break down but even if that were the case, it still doesn't change the fact that as it is right now an individual person who is an atheist has plenty of reasons not to go around killing people
@bengreen171 8 місяців тому
I think Matt's discussion with Peterson was the first time somebody popped his (Peterson's) aura of intellectual genius he likes to ferment around himself. Turns out it's just a big ol meaty fart.
@repent.sinner 8 місяців тому
Sike
@definitivamenteno-malo7919 8 місяців тому
JP's just a guru that lives out of auto help books based on pseudoscience... Wait, I tried to compare him
@VaughanMcCue 7 місяців тому
When did Sam Harris drop his one-liner on JbP?
@bengreen171 7 місяців тому
@@VaughanMcCue hmmm not sure. That might well have been around the same time if not before.
@VaughanMcCue 7 місяців тому
@@bengreen171 thanks .
@ShaiFishman 7 місяців тому
JP is proof that you can be educated, respected and even know a lot about some stuff, while being a complete HACK in other areas. Dangerously so.
@lolsing2205 7 місяців тому
????
@jacobmyers6171 7 місяців тому
I love a lot of his discussions, but he needs to stay clear from the debate stage.
@ShaiFishman 7 місяців тому
@@jacobmyers6171 Or at least leave religion alone, he clearly has no solid opinion on the matter, and FWIW it's obvious that the opinion he has, is closer to atheism, but his audience will not accept it, so he represents this ill-defined christianity where stories and legends are somehow proof of a god (behave like there is one...), he makes it about being beneficial, while what's being discussed is: "is it true" - which he obviously knows it isn't but cannot say it, due to the nature of the people who support him. Putting aside his declaration: "If you’re not very smart, it’s better to be conservative"
@ErinLynagh 7 місяців тому
his psychology stuff wasn't actually as good as you might think. Caelen Conrad made a good video going over the experiences of some of his patients and his psychology career. he likes Jung for God's sake lol, not exactly a modern thinker
@lolsing2205 7 місяців тому
@@ErinLynagh ah yes let me get an opinion from this "queer leftist" wont be biased at all
@mathewgladden8914 5 місяців тому
Dillahunty is such a clown to think he can match any kind of wits w/ Peterson. His entire position for the debate was “Gods not real because there’s no proof”. He set the table of the debate with that and just kinda smugly sat there for 45 minutes. What a genius. 😅
@richardgomes5420 5 місяців тому
The first time I've heard Jordan Peterson I was impressed by his intelligence. Then I've started to follow him and eventually I found some wacky ideas, not matching the first impression I had. I remember this debate and I remember that I've taught: this man is an intellectually dishonest man with an erudite vocabulary, or just another deluded believer like any other.
@bluewren2 4 місяці тому
Interesting when Jordan wants to entertain the thought of God which he probably has not completely come to terms with lesser people and minds seek to eviscerate him.
@Bad_Moon_Rising 7 місяців тому
One of Petersons go to abilities is to answer a question by talking about ,what should be a short answer, for ages hoping the listener will forget the question.
@siewkimng1085 7 місяців тому
If you can’t hold a question in your head for the context of the answer. Maybe the problem is with you?
@Bad_Moon_Rising 7 місяців тому
@@siewkimng1085 Thats what he hopes , not what I forget. You try to make me look dumb for what I wrote and you can't even comprehend it. NEEEEEXTTT !!!
@siewkimng1085 7 місяців тому
@@Bad_Moon_Rising what do you mean that I can’t comprehend? You or JBP?
@John.Christopher 6 місяців тому
I mean it's fair if that's what it sounds like to you. But for the artists in this comment section, isn't it hard to explain abstractions? There are no simple answers for abstractions, they're inherently complicated and require some creative processing. Some things don't have a clear yes or no answer. Some answers require more nuance and considerations of many branching but related factors. Often this makes real time communications of these ideas difficult.
@Kat-et5ps 6 місяців тому
@@John.Christopher ironically, you are doing the same thing Peterson does here, although not intentionally. The simple answer would be "That's fair, although abstract questions often require a more in depth answer, especially in the realm of philosophical discussion" but, as an overexplainer, it can be difficult to be roundabout without fear of underexplanation, which, if it wasn't obvious by my own comment here, is something I also suffer from
@jackblack9605 7 місяців тому
I think it was the first debate where i think people actually saw Peterson struggle against a more competent debater. All his other appearances were with journalist or light weight but Matt is season debaters. Peterson probably knew he took a major loss during that debate.
@andishawjfac 7 місяців тому
He struggled against Zizek quite a bit.
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
He didn't. They both did. They both spoke past each other the whole time. I followed mat for years watching hundreds of hours of him. Same for peterson. I'm an atheist too. Jordan is an atheist by mats definition and mat is not by jordans definition. The issue is the definition. Mats version of God is that of Ken ham, magic man in the sky. Jordans is ones highest ideal. So a "true atheist" is someone without any ideal/moral code. To have a moral code is synonymous with being a theist. It's semantics. It was a real shame they couldn't get past or seemingly even notice that was the case. Both talked past each other the whole time. I've seen hundreds of hours of both of them. TBH it was a waste of everyones time and so the publicist was probably right. Mat refuses to entertain anything other than sunday school versions of God. He serves his purpose well debating people that believe in that version but for anyone else does not. Peterson was right about smoking too. 95% failure to quit is pretty accurately described as "not really" especially when compared to 80% success. It's not proof of God but instead mat went with the strawman "it's impossible to quit without God"
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
@@andishawjfac zizek was a joke. I watched that one in full too. It wasn't the worst debate though. Mat v peterson was a bad debate because they both used the same words defined completely differently talking past each other rather than genuinely engaging with the meaning. Both were right in meaning but failed to see that. for example God = magic man in the sky vs ones highest ideal/moral code.
@yoguccio1562 5 місяців тому
@@chrisallum9044 this was my impression too, thx for being one of the few that explain without minimization of the JP argument, at the begging i thought that JP was being irrational but then he explained himself pretty well and I think he put a good argument on the table. Btw can you link me the source of the smoking debate part datas?
@fitgiddlin21 3 місяці тому
@@chrisallum9044 that's because Matt is talking about the only god that christians claim exists and Peterson is talking about some ideas that he made up in his own head
@DrownedInExile 6 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson excels at using reams and reams of verbiage, to say absolutely nothing.
@d_camara 2 місяці тому
I hate that he KNOWS "mystical experience" is a neuroscience term that don't actually means something is magical, but entails a bunch of complicated stuff that includes most of the experiences people describe as magical or "meeting god" and all that jazz. But he won't clarify that, his goal is misleading his followage "Look, mystical experiences are scientifically proven and also the only way to quit smoking (ignore it's more like the only FAST way and it's completely random and not reliable)
@asmith1ofmany 7 місяців тому
To paraphrase: "you can't be an atheist because I read a book and people with PTSD are permanently broken!"
@crankyeldergod709 8 місяців тому
As a practicing psychologist, Peterson's depiction of PTSD is damn near malpractice. PTSD is something done TO you -- a traumatic event, go figure -- with the resultant psychological reaction being self-blame. This type self-blame gives one the illusion (or delusion) of control during the event, as a denial mechanism to survive the situation. Given his credentials, I find Peterson''s victim-blaming outright revolting.
@erinjohnson7329 8 місяців тому
Agree; the second he said that, I thought about the stats for rape victims having PTSD. People who've lived in war-stricken areas. Hell, people drafted and sent to the front who never fired a single shot. Blaming the victim for having survivor's guilt? The psychiatric board that certified him should seriously consider de-certifying him.
@stevewarren4813 8 місяців тому
Have you heard/read about how Peterson tried to kick his Benzo addiction? Wow. Insane.
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 8 місяців тому
@@stevewarren4813 In Islame, women have semen production and men can give birth in Atheist Religion After so much confusion, I came to the conclusion: Atheism and islame is one and the very same
@stephenoppl1259 8 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson's description of what an Atheist is sounded much more like the definition of a psychopath. He describes someone who could kill another human being without empathy or remorse. There are many times I find what he has to say as being interesting and thought-provoking,, but this is so far off base it is insulting.
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 8 місяців тому
@@stephenoppl1259 According to atheist religion, What is wrong about genocide? Should we ask mao?
@micheleele7299 5 місяців тому
So Matt D. talks about how atheists are "judged" immediately and how it has to change......then he goes on to judge Peterson's diet & calls J. Peterson "exceptionally strange" & "weird" without finding out why he and his daughter eat this way (who have a family history of immune issues or possibly immune disease). The problem today is that we have to put a "title or "condition" or "disability" to everyone and if someone doesn't fall into one of those exactly we have to go out of our way to debate it. Everyone is "individual" with a unique upbringing & walk in life that gives us each a unique perception whether positive or negative and it's impossible for anyone to fit into the perfect title "Christian", "Atheist", "Agnostic"
@JV-cn7ie 2 місяці тому
I am an atheist and I try to be "good" in how I move through the world because a)I know how it feels to be treayed poorly and do not wish that on others, b) i have a chikd that i am setting an example for and c) I believe in creating the world you want to live in. None of it has anything to do with deities. I really hate this argument from theists.
@chrisz5z 8 місяців тому
Jordan was rather juvenile in that conversation
@garys.1415 7 місяців тому
Jordan clearly has his lane but all people have weaknesses. This is his. Also, he knows his brand and he wants the cash. Btw, credit to Jordan for admitting that fact. However, you have to be willing to be exposed. He misjudged Matt and thought too much of himself.
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
The weakness was mostly on Mat. Mat was trying to debate Ken Ham, not peterson. God to mat means magic man in the sky which peterson is an atheist in regards to just like mat. God to peterson is ones highest ideal/moral code. They talked past each other. It was a bad debate for that reason.
@esseyyemane3939 6 місяців тому
@@chrisallum9044 that argument leaves alot to be desired. you are overloading a word so that it encompasses alot of things to the point it becomes hard to communicate. in the traditional sense God is mostly as a reference to the supernatural creator and even in the most abstract religions of Buddhism, even though alot of the physical aspects of the universe are abstracted they still believe in the "creator ". these argument also leads to confusion does the basis of moral compass matter is it based on logic or culture maybe emotions like selfishness could constitute a basis even tho it might be demented. then it becomes clear that everyone is an theist , at this point do words have meaning we cant abstract to much and hope to meaningful conversation at this point .
@chrisgraham2904 6 місяців тому
@@chrisallum9044 Yes, Peterson will profess a belief in God, but his interpretation of a god should never be confused with the average Christian's or Jew's interpretation of what a god is. Peterson, in his early days, at the University of Toronto, clearly relayed to his students that god(s) were a construct of the human mind and imagination, and certainly not a supernatural deity.
@paulsmart4672 3 місяці тому
@@chrisallum9044 Peterson's inability to articulate his beliefs is not on Mat.
@paulsmart4672 3 місяці тому
*Does* he have his lane, though? He pretends to be a philosopher and a historian and a sociologist and a biologist and all sorts of things he is not. He is allegedly a psychologist... ...or was, at any rate... ...but all indications are he was real bad at it. Performance reviews from the University of Toronto show him to be an ineffective teacher and he boasts about how his clients in his clinical practice were broken people who could not be fixed.
@RichardMiller-tq6ut 2 місяці тому
I don't think it is a very rewarding experience for anyone to debate Matt. There is no learning, only negative condescension
@jforrester1208 2 місяці тому
I’m pretty sure Deepak Chopra knows he’s spouting word salad I wonder if JP knows he is hard to tell the difference between the two
@stldweller 7 місяців тому
I see the exact problem. Peterson believes in a man in the sky.
@miroslavaringer6461 4 місяці тому
I literally smoked 100 cigarettes a day, so that's 5 packs. When I ended up in the hospital and was told to either stop smoking or die, I literally stopped smoking from that moment and (it's been 30 years since then) I haven't lit a single cigarette since. What is important is the will (and reason) to understand and persevere in the intention and not some kind of mystical experience. It's really incredible that a man with a degree in psychology can utter such nonsense.
@ashong_gala 2 місяці тому
May i ask why you are afraid of death?
@georgevcelar 8 місяців тому
I'm atheist and have been all my life. I've also been smoking since the age of 16, and stopped when I turned 55. There was no god that helped me quit; I just woke up, thought I needed to stop and just went cold turkey. So Petersen, but your specific franchise of god had nothing to do with me quitting. And yeah, I'm still atheist. Healthier, but still no god involved.
@GuessWhoAsks 8 місяців тому
According to Petersen, you have not really quit but only think you have since there has been no "mystical" experience yet, which obviously is required for the process...wink, wink, nudge, nudge...
@RichWoods23 7 місяців тому
I quit smoking because there was a woman whom I really fancied, but she hated the smell of cigarette smoke. We ended up being together for four years. I didn't go back to smoking after we'd split up. We were (and still are) both atheists. Nothing mystical there -- unless blue balls count!
@bond3161 7 місяців тому
Nonono.... you don't get it... Why stop smoking? Why do good. Why change and be good? You see... all that is good, is God. -ex smoker
@GuessWhoAsks 7 місяців тому
@@bond3161 "You see... all that is good, is God. -ex smoker"... ...Are you consistent or is your reasoning inconsistant? Would you also agree...All that is "bad" is also God???
@bond3161 7 місяців тому
@@GuessWhoAsks I do not agree and one day you will see. All that is bad is NOT of God. Ps. If I am not consistent, I'm of course not logical. You have not shown exactly how I am not logical yet. And what I meant was OF God. Although I'm sure you understood that.
@detroitpolak9904 3 місяці тому
Raskolnikov got sick after committing his crime. Peterson says that is a truth. Why is the recidivism rate so high among criminals? Shouldn’t they be turning themselves in left and right?
@patriklindholm7576 2 місяці тому
Matt's more than necessarily polite rebuttle was in a nutshell "why don't you shove your book you're desperately trying to hide behind where the sun doesn't shine, as your word salad has no power here".
@vinceporter228 7 місяців тому
I remember when Peterson was sane and he talked about things he understood. He's been captured by his own celebrityhood and replaced logic with babble. It happens. Neil deGrasse Tyson has gone the same way.
@jacobmyers6171 7 місяців тому
It's sad to see, because at his best he has a lot to say.
@chrisallum9044 6 місяців тому
Neil has yes, peterson has not. He can be hard to follow at times but one always can follow with a bit of effort. For example this debate was just semantics as they both had different definitions and each used their own while ignoring the others. They talked past each other instead of too each other.
@Ricardo-ir7kq 5 місяців тому
Except Neil has evidence to support what he talks about. His opinion is irrelevant
@beaconeersofthesevenmaps3467 7 місяців тому
That's because Peterson is an empty sophist whereas Dillahunty is a concrete, straightforward, logic thinker
@ironyusa3885 5 місяців тому
Lol, Dillahunty stormed out of a debate recently where he was obliterated by the opening argument. His entire worldview collopases into absurdity.
@Notsri7 5 місяців тому
@@ironyusa3885 No, he did not 'storm' out of a debate. His opponent was an apologist who failed to address the motion of the debate, and instead chose to address ad-hominem attacks at Dillahunty. Here, just in case you missed something, is the link to the debate. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kISafYSjiGqByKM.html Any decent person, Christian or not, would not have stooped so low, but when it comes to religion, all too many have become Olympic league limbo dancers.
@RTSOB1 4 місяці тому
@@ironyusa3885 What debate was that?
@claudiag8097 2 місяці тому
I quit smoking thirty years ago when I wanted to start a family. No mystics or mushrooms needed. Just me wanting to minimise risks to my child's health as it developed in my womb. I made that decision and stuck to it. No mystics, no hallucinogens.
@octoBadger 2 місяці тому
Same, I slowly cut down, then stopped. I was working 9 to 5 the whole time - least mystical experience of my life!
@claudiag8097 2 місяці тому
@@octoBadger 💯
@michman2 6 місяців тому
Every time Peterson says "metaphysical realm", take a drink because what follows will make you crazy.
@lloydrodriguez9969 2 місяці тому
Could be a good drinking game lol
@jimmythebold589 8 місяців тому
I love psychedelics and take massive amounts of them, constantly. I hate hearing Peterson talk about them. Ugh.
@SuperJal1979 8 місяців тому
Imagine having a trip and all you see is Jordan Peterson answering one question for an hour and a half!
@bjones8470 8 місяців тому
JP ducks and backs out of every serious debate since Matt. So that debate didn’t just keep him from going back in with Matt but any serious person that knows what he really is. He’s not some amazing deep thinking philosopher he’s just an educated verbose grifter plain and simple. He does fine when he stays in the lane of simple self help lessons for life but he’s out of his league with actual intellectuals
@shanewilson7994 8 місяців тому
Matt did the same thing to Sye Ten too, basically trashed his credibility on stage.
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 8 місяців тому
@@shanewilson7994 According to atheist religion, What is wrong about incest? should we ask mat pedolahunty?
@zdtu8 8 місяців тому
Eh, you're an idiot if you think JP is a grifter and not an intellectual. Watch his non-religious stuff from before his near-death experience. He is extremely well-intentioned and an amazing teacher. I think this religious stuff is almost entirely created by his near-death experience from benzo addiction.
@LastBastian 7 місяців тому
@@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 You should ask the prophet Muhammad about pedophilia. I hear he's quite experienced with that.
@jeromyaucoin17 7 місяців тому
@@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 I think you mean the prophet Muhammad was a pedo
@Gaskinmoo79 6 місяців тому
Peterson isn't as smart as people think. He is a good at diverting a question and not answering it when he answers it.
@markoshun 3 місяці тому
“Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.” Okay, so if Riskolnikoff had not gone through with the murder, then he wouldn’t be an atheist? Matt hasn’t murdered anyone, so therefore he’s not an atheist? Peterson has some weird and interesting ideas, but he just doesn’t think them through. So undisciplined. “It’s kinda like evidence, you know?” As a scientist, he makes a pretty good storyteller.
@MisterWebb 8 місяців тому
Peterson is a sophist. Stories from fiction are not useful in the search for Truth.
@pragmaticcrystal 8 місяців тому
💯
@suzbone 8 місяців тому
Our stories are useful for informing us about ourselves, and stories can manufacture consent to drive peoples to do or not-do things. But like you said, fiction isn't a path to truth. It's simultaneously illuminating and destructive 🙁
@suzbone 8 місяців тому
PS: Peterson is an utter fraud who should be mocked out of public life.
@BTFWayne 8 місяців тому
Peterson is a cuntbox that can't structure an argument without special pleading for 20 minutes uninterrupted.
@philosopherkink 8 місяців тому
I would argue that stories and metaphors are very useful, but only as a "spice" that has to be used in extreme moderation. JP is just a kind of of guy who eats raw pepper with a spoon for breakfast
@airforcex9412 8 місяців тому
Jordan Peterson doesn’t have what it takes. He’s the type of person that’s more interested in sounding smart…
@glenalguire6960 7 місяців тому
Wake up
@airforcex9412 7 місяців тому
@@glenalguire6960 I read his entire book. Stop being a fanboy and using drugs. He lost. And his manager let him know…🤡
@killerrabbit2693 7 місяців тому
@@glenalguire6960 wake up to what....?
@killerrabbit2693 7 місяців тому
Same as that Indian guru, can't even remember his name. People like him cause he says things they don't understand.
@atticalien 2 місяці тому
Aside from being a slippery eel in debate, who never stays on topic long enough to face a challenge honestly, in this piece JP reveals his inner Russophile. Harping on about Dostoevsky, combined with his culturally conservative views, point to what I regard as the most dangerous thing about him. I hear in him a sympathy for totalitarianism, calling on (mostly young men) to accept the "metaphysical substrate" that we are supposedly born into as cultural "truths", and deny free, skeptical, critical thinking. Matt went way too easy on him in this one.
@lamalama9717 8 місяців тому
JP is a case study in hubris. If Canadian Kermit just stuck to telling Jungian lobsters how to make their beds in the style of Dostoyevsky, he just about might pass muster. Once he became well known however, he suddenly thought his opinion on everything was valid. This debate showed how out of depth he is on anything outside his own narrow field.
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