Snapdragon X Elite Hands On: Gaming, Benchmarks, and Windows on ARM
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Місяць томуTEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy We're getting a little sneak peak at Qualcomm's new PC chip! The Snapdragon X Elite looks ready to usher in a new era for portable Windows computing. Before all the laptop manufacturers start releasing new systems based on this chip, Qualcomm hosted a small reviewer meet up to get some hands on time and see some tests in action!
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@BrianGlaze Місяць тому
This is definitely exciting. Happy to see mor progress with ARM.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Took a long time LOL
@bazanime Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Ain't a simple job to make a platform that runs well on a wide variety of of hardware. Its a good time.
@jamzqool Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuytrue
@chriss2295 Місяць тому
You can thank the Apple M1 for pushing Qualcomm to get into this space.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I was preaching ARM for consumer laptops for years before Apple made their play. I felt vindicated 😁
@Lord_LindaThePhilosopher Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuyit wasn't really possible years before apple did it. Arm just wasnt their yet it needed to be until like 2 years before apple dropped theirs
@godsmackssa Місяць тому
You can thank apple m1 for selling laptops uncapable of running legacy x86 apps. Which means, you are going to have a machine that runs approximately 5% of apps available on the market. Exellent!
@gooxh 29 днів тому
M1 is useless. I used a mobile phone and some creative wiring to make a desktop (ugly as sin) Chromebook way before apple made an m1. Other folks made stuff that made my little "mobile chip desktop" look ugly and feel slow. It was done by many people before apple. Just didn't go mainstream.
@gooxh 29 днів тому
@@godsmackssaI bought into the bs! Lol I couldn't do a lot of the things I used to. Felt very restricted
@GroundedTech Місяць тому
Exciting stuff. I need a Snapdragon X Elite laptop this year.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I need one YESTERDAY!
@Proudarse Місяць тому
No you don't, use what you have and buy one in a few years once XE3 is out, dawg. Chill
@BradleyLarcher Місяць тому
Windows on Arm. Looking forward to see where this train takes us
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We're getting ready!
@TamasKiss-yk4st Місяць тому
You can expect about the same like Android (it's more demanding like iOS, 8 cores sip more power like 6 cores, 12GB RAM also require more power to maintain like 6GB etc..), so to reach the same battery life they need a bigger battery (just because they already need 12 power core to compete the 8 power cores, im not talking about basic M2 or M3 with just 4 power cores, im talking about M2 Pro for example, they didn't even showed a comparison against the M2 Max which still only has 10 power cores, still less like the 12 power cores in X Elite, and the 4 efficiency cores in any M chip are not equal with even just 1 power core in performance.. so it's already more demanding. Also the diff between 23W and 80W power consumption is not looks good.. you only gain 10% extra performance for 250% more power consumption?
@X_SOL 17 днів тому
Doesn’t windows on arm exist already? I have galaxy go book Qualcomm arm chip with windows.
@1337Superfly Місяць тому
So good to see you walking at the sunny Qualcomm HQ. You need to be on the frontline of tech. You deserve to be there, we deserve to have you there.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Aw thanks man. It felt good finally checking this one off.
@sslaia Місяць тому
Thank you for your "few more questions than answers". I like it that you try to avoid falling victim of the hype and present it as a promise we are excited to wait. To be honest I watch less and less tech review lately because of the overhyping (think of the AI revolution etc.).
@techinamul Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Thanks for that. I know some folks get real picky about someone accepting travel or hotel, but genuinely I try not to jump on a trip if I don't feel I can say what I want.
@markfinlay422 Місяць тому
My next laptop will be an X Elite machine. I can't wait for the improved battery life.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I still love my XC8 machine. This is gonna be another tier above.
@farrukhjamil Місяць тому
When it's released for customers
@CaptainUltimaFTW Місяць тому
I'm looking forward to seeing how Linux performs on these systems when they hit the market.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Once I can set my R&K aside as a demo machine (not something im actively using) I really want to see if I can get Ubuntu running directly. The best performance for ARM apps right now (imo) is running Linux apps through WSL.
@1DwtEaUn Місяць тому
Given some of the other systems might take a while for the dev tree/BSP to come out for Linux :(
@seeibe Місяць тому
Yeah I'm a dev who does all their work using VSC Remote, so Linux on an ARM device would be perfect for me. I'm just waiting for the price of these devices to become competitive with x86 devices. Competing with Apple prices is not really impressive.
@PSYCHOV3N0M Місяць тому
@@seeibeYou get what you pay for. Don't expect X Elite laptops to be very cheap.
@seeibe Місяць тому
@@PSYCHOV3N0M If they can't deliver the same price to performance as x86 there's honestly no point. I'll just get x86.
@BarryJohnson Місяць тому
This is rad loved that snippet of Pactel towards the end as well.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Yup! Us old nerds man. You would LOVE their little museum.
@BarryJohnson Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Agreed 😄
@Dia1Up Місяць тому
I really like they talk total system power performance per watt, and they showed gaming. Remember that's running an emulator (presumably) not just a translation layer like the Deck/Linux does
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Just like how exciting it is to see more and more steam deck verified games, I think ARM could be another boon for gaming. I really want to see an X Elite in a Valve Index replacement.
@nattieCSH Місяць тому
oooh looking forward to this video
@benjaminwachman7879 Місяць тому
It looks like Qualcomm will probably be able to deliver a decent experience for Windows ultra thin and light laptops. For a laptop I'd take with me on a trip, all I want is all-day battery life with pretty decent performance. The biggest barrier is just that so few apps are compiled for ARM natively and rely on x86 emulation (which is slow). For native apps, the perf/W is really good. It kinda blows me away that in Cinebench they have a Qualcomm laptop where the WHOLE SYSTEM is only pulling 24W handily outperforming an Intel system where the CPU by itself has a 28W TDP. Sure, Meteor Lake doesn't have the best perf/W in the x86 space, but it's not leaps and bounds off.
@hugevibez Місяць тому
I think Windows x86 and x64 emulation is sometimes able to outperform Rosetta2, it's just the chips available in these Windows on Arm laptops were always just not good enough. Details on the exact microarchitecture are sparse atm, but from what I can tell the Oryon cpu core is made by the Nuvia team so I have high hopes. Emulation is inherently slower/less efficient but it doesn't have to be a bad solution if you optimize it well enough (and aren't trying to run Windows on a mobile-optimized processor)
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's what's got me really anxious. I want to see OEMs get smart with this platform, and support it with good options. When the legacy software conversation is always going to be tough, getting folks to recompile for arm and support it, the Linux side is kind of ridiculous. Using the older 8CX chip, it's like a mediocre Pentium when you're emulating older programs. It's a little screamer tho when you fire up ubuntu INSIDE windows 11. Completely different experience. Now giving this a bit.more horsepower at a similar power draw is only going to improve the issues we've had with emulation.
@strawbaria Місяць тому
I'm relatively optimistic about the chip - as long as the chip performs better than Intel/AMD then it's already a pretty good baseline to start with, especially for devices which won't be used for too heavy workloads. The fact that Qualcomm already has performance on par with M2 with a "first gen chip" is very promising, though everything is still up in the air regarding driver support and emulation performance and other bugs - especially given the ridiculously ancient suite of Windows apps that exist.
@LiVeWiRez Місяць тому
Nice early glimpse. Keep the coverage coming for these ARM Windows laptops. By any chance did you get to see what the storage performance was like and are the ports TB4 or USB4 on these reference models?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
LOTS of unanswered questions. Qualcomm kept us focused on what Qualcomm can control. A LOT of those questions come down to OEM decisions on how this part will be incorporated into a laptop, so it wasn't stuff shown off to us here. I would imagine though that we probably won't get TB4 on this first batch of machines.
@mahmoud1737 Місяць тому
I hope to see Linux support on mainline kernel
@new-lviv Місяць тому
Yeah. Having a snappy power efficient laptop on Linux is what I dream of.
@olnnn Місяць тому
Support for the CPU was added already I believe though Qualcomm doesn't have the best history when it comes to working with the FOSS community so idk what the situation will be when it comes to GPU drivers (will they finally lend some support to the community developed driver for qualcomm SoC gpus?), bootloader stuff
@FlorinArjocu Місяць тому
@@olnnnNot only GPU, this is a SoC, I would guess it has also Qualcomm's wifi, bluetooth, security etc. They all need to be well integrated.
@weiSane 25 днів тому
Yes we are ready for laptops that could last a full day under average usage regardless of whether we are running windows or Linux.
@SomeGadgetGuy 25 днів тому
We've been due.
@aone7640 Місяць тому
Just imagine the gaming handhelds that can use this and a windows custom operating system the insane battery life and performance potential this would be game changing
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's sad that gamers will largely fight it LOL.
@-Blue-_ Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuyyeah because we don't need trashy performance in gaming, can an ARM chip compete with Nvidia Discrete GPU in raw power in games ?? The answer is no and what about upgradability like GPU and CPU, SSD, RAM, Motherboard ??
@ok-tr1nw Місяць тому
@@-Blue-_ there are arm workstation makers that make mobos with upgradable cpus rams and pci slots
@-Blue-_ Місяць тому
@@ok-tr1nw those are servers not a consumer computer can you play a game on server answer is yeah you can but still performance is not going to be great because those CPUs and GPUs are not made for games but for other things
@lab-or5yg Місяць тому
@@-Blue-_ i think something like a steam deck level performance on arm and with arm device battery it would be an amazing buy
@okamich.9797 Місяць тому
Did they have just Windows on ARM demos or did they have some laptops running Linux as well?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Another frustrating aspect of how Qualcomm can only talk about a specific aspect of the roll out, the first partners are going to be windows. No official word on Linux or chrome os support.
@Johnnyynf Місяць тому
Is there anywhere we can know if Snapdragon X would support rumoured windows super-resolution for the NPU? It'll be very if it can offload the super-resolution to NPU and should have better performance for gaming than expected.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's so frustrating. That's the kind of stuff we've been asking but no one can give us a definitive answer.
@maksimromanyuk1 Місяць тому
very good point it has more ai power than 4090 so it really can have something better than dlss 3.5
@weaponcomparisoninvideogam5505 Місяць тому
At how many fps was Control running at ? Do you have any idea, plz reply
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Non combat sections were staying above 40fps at low quality, but I spent most of my demo time on BG3. If combat dips into the high 20's and low 30's, that's roughly 300-350% performance lift over the last gen Windows on ARM machines.
@Crustenscharbap Місяць тому
This red notebook is absolutely beautiful. 24W. Seems that the APU needs about 18-20W and its fast as AMD 30-40W. It seems to be good.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
What we also don't know yet is how strictly governed the SOC will be in a fanless machine. Running a couple minutes of a benchmark is one thing, but we haven't seen if it will be throttled more in longer operation or if the 80W builds with active cooling will deliver a significant performance up lift. A LOT of unanswered questions.
@SuperRomanHoliday Місяць тому
great video! hoping and praying for a good price! A video on what software will work on ARM would be good
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's tough because I've tried showing things like gaming on ARM, but on the older ARM laptop chips, all it does is "inform" gamers that "ARM sucks". Like I think it's REALLY impressive that a little ARM chip, near the performance of a 12th gen Core i3, and a TDP under 30W, can manage to load and run Control at around 7-9fps through Windows on ARM. All they see though is "control running like garbage". Once X Elite arrives though, I think we'll have more fun showing off software.
@IvoPavlik Місяць тому
What I value about review/tech channels is critical and insightful approach and valuing my time (e.g. clickable video chapters for better navigation). You seem to have the first at least. Let's see what you got next 🙂
@perrykeshahwalker5321 21 день тому
Will the memory and hd be user upgradable with over the counter parts or will we be stuck with what we buy like Apple?
@SomeGadgetGuy 21 день тому
Unknown. Depends on what the OEMs do with it, but my GUESS is a lot of companies will try to copy the macbook. The older 8CX machine I have can't upgrade RAM, that's on the SOC, but you can swap out the SSD. Ditto the Lenovo and Surface ARM machines.
@localblackman427 Місяць тому
Very exciting future ahead
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'm getting all antsy 😁
@soraaoixxthebluesky Місяць тому
ARM is getting more and more powerful and efficient every year.
@FAT8893 Місяць тому
I don't doubt Qualcomm can make crazy powerful hardware. What we need is better software experience, and that's still down to Microsoft to give better x64 software emulation for Windows on ARM.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Makes sense for Qualcomm to get ahead of the laptop launches. MS needs to show us good emulation, and the OEMs need to show us good hardware, but Qualcomm got their part of the job done well.
@abdelkamazaya2958 Місяць тому
Qualcomm design hardware and others make it for him, like tsmc
@N3tigen Місяць тому
Do Qualcomm have plan after this processor launch As they we have 7c gen 2 then 8x c gen in galaxy book go features. So company develops more pc Arm processor or it's just initial l.😮
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Nothing official from Qualcomm, but I PERSONALLY feel the existence of an "X Elite" implies the existence of an "X Plus" or an "X".
@TamasKiss-yk4st Місяць тому
If you hope a desktop level CPU with ARM, you probably need to wait a bit longer, since they actually have a serius scaling problem.. just compare the 23W and 80W results, and calculate the difference, you gain 10% extra performance for 250% extra power consumption.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's what we need to see in how OEMs build those systems though. It's not JUST 24W to 80W on the SOC. It's 24W to 80W on the whole system. So we're hoping to see more power flow through the SOC when active cooling is applied, but we're also looking at more demanding components for the rest of the system too.
@1DwtEaUn Місяць тому
@@TamasKiss-yk4st not sure Snapdragon is trying to compete with the Ampere CPUs
@tatsm847 Місяць тому
Its finally here !!
@JoaquinVacas Місяць тому
Give me that laptop with almost zero fan noise + +10h of battery life + Linux + at least 32GB of RAM and I'll be happy.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I can't wait to tear into one and get a Linux distro on...
@user-cx6rg6mr7d Місяць тому
did they mention the release date?
@majidshaikh7811 Місяць тому
Did you make this video on your Vivo? If so, amazing that we can make content completely on phones
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Yup! All shot and edited on the vivo except for two clips that my mics borked.
@techinamul Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@mistamaog Місяць тому
At first I thought this was a premature video to the Microsoft event 😅 But hey I'm glad to see more info on this new chip
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Not much new, but the closer look at gaming was very encouraging.
@mistamaog Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yeah I saw booredstwork uploaded a video with regards to gaming. I'm excited for the day we can get a chip like this in a PC handheld
@pedrohenrique-wb3ed Місяць тому
Curious about battery and booting time on those machines
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's what we need to see from OEMs. Qualcomm has ONE chip now, but all the rest of the stuff in the machine is what will determine costs/price/performance.
@postpostpostpostpost Місяць тому
Hackintosh could make a comeback on this machines.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'm REALLY curious to see if the hackintosh community can make a play with this. I fear that era might be over, unless we get more detailed info on things like drivers.
@Rresenden Місяць тому
No we can't. Just because it's the same arch, you don't have drivers, and the way M chips works it's different. Hackintosh soon it will be dead.
@SunsetNova Місяць тому
Looks very promising
@johnnyirish9852 Місяць тому
Thanks a lot was really waiting for this hands on. BTW Large Language Models
@martyboi Місяць тому
What's the official specs of the x elite GPU?
@bar7381 Місяць тому
if the chip is supported well enough for games it would be interesting to see an ARM based PC Handheld, considering how limited battery life is on current options
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'd be shocked if we didnt see this light up more competition in 2025. Also, I bet Oryon cores are the main chips being used in MR headsets next year. I REALLY hope we see a follow up to the Valve Index with an X Elite style chip...
@tringuyen7519 Місяць тому
Would love to see 45W Snapdragon X Elite laptop with 32G of LPDDR5 running Windows 11 with OpenAI 01 Light! We need AIBs to build the laptops first.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'm really hoping we see the OEMs give us options like those. It would be great to see a variety of "light" and "pro" machines at launch.
@robsshedoftech6457 Місяць тому
I have 3 ARM based laptops using 7c, 855 and 8cx Snapdragon processors. The 855 and 8cx, in particular, are very useable, even if they do offer a fraction of the performance of the Elite. The 7c is still fine for web surfing, documents and UKposts etc., but isn't as good as the 855 or 8cx in my 2 Yoga devices - all were bough 2nd hand to minimise environment impact and will be resold/gifted after my testing and/or use. Battery life is impressive in all - 9 to 10 hours or more. One of the limitations I have found with these models is multi-display support - like smartphones with DeX ReadyForX-Space etc., this seems to be limited to the device and 1 external - does the Elite improve upon this?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Same. I REALLY like the 8CXG3. It's like having a Core i3, in something that costs as much as a premium android tablet, and it can use two full operating systems instead of one mobile OS. The screen thing is another we haven't gotten to test. I cant think of any ARM based SOC that truly does handle multiple displays without merging multiple SOCs. A MacBook Pro can handle more screens, but it's technically two M chips stitched together, to oversimplify. I wouldn't expect X Elite to handle more than two screens at a time, but it would be really nice if it could.
@robsshedoftech6457 Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Actually, just tried my 8cx Lenovo and it mirrored one of the displays and extended it to another. I went into settings and COULD extend the mirrored display so did have 3 displays connected all showing a separate desktop! I assumed that it only supported the on device and one external but it seems to support 2 x 4K displays, perhaps via the dock, one of these is broken down into a 1080P and a 1440P as that is what I was getting in addition to the internal display?
@nileredsexperiment834 Місяць тому
Hope this would progress even further in more windows laptops in the near future. The efficiency of ARM is just amazing. I wish Qualcomm the best!
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's a critical step. Now we have to hope OEMs make good machines at a variety of price points.
@TechRide. Місяць тому
what camera used on your selfie video?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Mostly the vivo. I didn't want to tell the folks at Qualcomm 😅
@TechRide. Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy damn that was sharp. was it using the X100 pro?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Yup. Those cameras are SO GOOD.
@PSYCHOV3N0M Місяць тому
Waiting for Samsung to release their first Snapdragon X Elite laptop.
@arijeanz Місяць тому
im always excited for releases that shake things up in the industry. the past few years have been amazing for competition, ryzen and intel going head to head, the release of arc gpus, obviously apple silicon too... im excited to see what will come of this
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'm REALLY anxious after this. I want to see what OEMs do now.
@Techonsapevole Місяць тому
+1 to see snapdragon benchmarks on Linux
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I can't wait to get my hands on one and try a distro...
@penssytestsy9581 Місяць тому
What intel core ultra cpu do you think this goes up against?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Ultra 7. I think the 80W should do well against 165H.
@winaraj Місяць тому
how long did battery last in real world usage testing?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
They're not real world systems. They're the test beds that Qualcomm made. It's a reference design. We won't know practical daily use until we see what OEMs do with the chip, what kinds of screens and batteries are paired with it, etc.
@Gabilleta Місяць тому
This opens up so many possibilities in the tech sector. From small form factor PCs, laptops, tablets, handhelds, etc could benefit from the efficiency of these new ARM style processors. It'll come down to support from OEMs and developers to really push this forward.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I think Qualcomm delivered what they needed to. REALLY anxious about Microsoft and OEMs now.
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
The benefits will be null. The requirement will catch up and these products will be back to slow speed and 4 hours of battery life.
@Gabilleta Місяць тому
@@ajibsaladka Considering that Apple has proven otherwise with their M series chips, I think this will help push forward a better efficient way of computing, at least the entry to medium space from early stages of this rollout. What it sounds like, YOU as an individual, is unwilling to move forward and WANT this product to fail regardless of the benefits it will bring.
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
@@Gabilleta the comment was meant for a different audience. Sorry.
@dandy_is_lion Місяць тому
Redout 2 hell yea!! Remember to strafe and pitch tho! It's an essential part to good handling
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I had NEVER played that before, and I didn't include much footage of that. Because I sucked. I sucked REAL bad LOL.
@dandy_is_lion Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy LOL Sucking is a part of learning! I'm happy that even got some attention as it's a highly underrated gem that deserves so much more love
@ShellymanStudios Місяць тому
This is interesting, I can't wait to see Snapdragon X Elite hit the market.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Getting really antsy. Hoping OEMs deliver now.
@nicknorthcutt7680 Місяць тому
Yesss!!!! Ive been waiting for this review!! So stoked 😃
@Enderer7799 Місяць тому
I have few ques: Ram requirement , expected price and expected release date
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Up to OEMs, op to OEMs, and up to OEMs. My expectations are we'll see a first wave of macbook style systems, and the Microsoft event in May. I think MS and Samsung will probably start is off with the most expensive options.
@DrXJ Місяць тому
When are these going to mass market?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Seems the first batch of laptops should be announced over the summer.
@siyaram2855 Місяць тому
How was heating?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
For the Qualcomm test systems, I find it very encouraging that an Elite destroyed a Core Ultra 7 155h in cinebench, where the Intel has a fan and the X Elite ran fanless. We'll need to see what OEMs do, but pairing this with active cooling should be pretty nice.
@nostrace Місяць тому
Moore's Law is now shifting towards investing in smaller and less energy-consuming chips that cater to casual and intermediate users. I think it's great, especially since we can now perform so much from just a browser. This could potentially become a great alternative to x86 for handheld PCs. I also think it would be interesting to see high-end devices that combine an AMD GPU. Perhaps we could also see a revival of Crossfire with AI integration, where one GPU handles rasterization while the other takes care of AI enhancements such as upscaling.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I've been bullish on the hardware for a while now. From a purely performance standpoint, a Dimensity 9300 is already hanging with 12th gen Core i7 U series, and that's at a peak of 15W and passively cooled. For the consumery stuff, ARM has been incredible to watch, we just need the devs to start taking it more seriously.
@aarongranada2549 Місяць тому
waiting and excited to see how it performs in actual O.S.. hopefully Windows can catch up to this.. should i buy? nope not for at least 6 months to 1 year we will observe first how it perform to the OS and other app and games before pulling the trigger.. just like apple (mac os) first 3 moths or so they struggle to there transition but now im using mac and mac OS is flawless using arm chip..
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
The nice thing is, windows isn't a complete mystery. We already know a lot of the current pitfalls. It will mean some people have to change some of their behavior, but we can't get developers on board if there's only one kind of underpowered Surface to potentially use ARM apps.
@sesenol252 Місяць тому
Really looking forward to a budget Surface alternative getting into mainstream market ($600-800)
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's why I love my Robo&Kala so much. It's a little pokey as a Windows laptop when running X86 in emulation, but it's significantly more powerful and capable than an Android tablet for close to the same premium.
@thebeanstalker631 Місяць тому
Are these like macbooks with soldered ram and storage?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Depends on the OEM. The 8CX gen had options for user replaceable storage but not RAM. We'll have to see what manufacturers do with the chip.
@thebeanstalker631 Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks
@--waffle- Місяць тому
@7:07 on the contrary. Nvidia showed their GPUs working with Mediatek ARM CPUs running raytracing way back in 2021.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Right. That's why I said this initial pitch from Qualcomm was NOT making a claim about this being an indomitable gaming solution, and that's not the initial focus of X elite. In another comment, I might have mentioned what a Qualcomm engineer about GPUs and gaming...
@IkesTechTalk Місяць тому
Man I'm eagerly waiting on these laptops to drop with this chip. I've been looking for something I can use to push my two displays, including the laptop for work, that excels at good efficiency for heat and battery life. They can't come soon enough
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We've been SOO overdue. Hoping this is the push we need to spark up more competition.
@animedailyshortsTV Місяць тому
as far as i know surface 10 pro will utilize this CPU ...who are others ?
@futureitshere Місяць тому
I'm so glad to see you cover the nichest of tech and being ahead of this conversation with the windows on arm is ready. this is a great to see preview of what is and to be. very exciting! And i'm so glad not to see the "but apple is so far ahead" crap
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Tech "enthusiasts" always seem to stop paying attention when their favorite brand label isn't in the title.
@tipoomaster Місяць тому
3:15 what's the game?
@liamcollinson5695 Місяць тому
I have heard rumors that maybe discreet gpus may be possible with the snapdragon x elite
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
A Qualcomm engineer in our brief said there was "no technical reason why you couldn't use another GPU" and then promptly stopped talking 😄
@nottera Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy I guess AMD and Nvidia are in the works... We just have to wait the exclusivity deal to be over, Nintendo Switch was released years ago by Nvidia with arm architecture
@jeffreydurham2566 Місяць тому
I think it's a positive anxiety that this chip is producing. Not only with its own performance, but the other competitors to join in later. This will also open the door to RISC-V down the road as well.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
EXACTLY! We're seeing some good stuff, and now I'm anxious to see how it's used in a real consumer product.
@user-bd9qx7qf2f Місяць тому
I wonder if they will create Snapdragon motherboards for a desktop PC that you can buy to custom build your PC, but can still upgrade the RAM, Hard Drives and GPU's. Having said that I hope NVIDIA and AMD also put out GPU's that are natively supported on ARM. It would be nice to be able to build my own custom gaming PC with ARM. I also feel they need to retire x86 for x64, but for 4 or 5 years create a compatibility layer to support x86 with instructions they have a certain amount of time to port any x86 to x64 and also bring a new filing system to replace NTFS which has been around since the 90s and it's time to upgrade to a new faster and more efficient system like Apple did with their new APFS.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I have to believe that will come. A little NUC style PC with this hardware would be awesome against a Mac mini.
@inamulbhuyan Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤️💪🔥
@CasaFassa Місяць тому
so two years until it comes to market?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Multiple launches coming this summer. Surface event in May.
@bobnelsonfr Місяць тому
I want a NUC format machine with this chip. It seems to be a no-brainer.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Want. So. Bad.
@Because-Linux Місяць тому
0:43 Reminds me of my sister.
@DarkKnight2037 Місяць тому
I really do hope ARM processors can be optomised better for windows, esp for gaming, just so we can eventually get handheld gaming devices that are super efficient. Or who knows? Maybe we'll get something like that with the upcoming AMD APUs (Strix Point Halo) soon
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I mean, Control above 30fps and BG3 just under 30fps, at 1080p and low settings is beating my Steam Deck, and at nearly the same power draw. The 80W config for X Elite should perform a little better for gaming too.
@fzcxcxzzxcxz7236 Місяць тому
Can't this be paired with a Nvidia Gpu?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We asked a Qualcomm engineer, and they said "there's no technical reason why you couldn't use a discrete GPU" and then they IMMEDIATELY stopped talking.
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
So those games were running on unmodified x86 code?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Gaming on ARM is a lot better than techies seem to realize. Even on the old 8CX, I fired up steam, clicked install, and could play Control at a blistering 7fps. Like getting official steam deck support, this is only.going to get better as more powerful hardware ends up in consumer hands. You won't get devs delivering support until they are an audience for it. I'd be shocked if an X Elite Gen 2 doesn't have a "gamer" version.
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Even MS is considering arm for next gen xbox , so...
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy but unmodified baulder gate 3 at 30 fps on a ARM is mind blowing. Thats a series s level performance. And if you read the blog post about translation layer , its nothing special. So THAT level of raw performance is impressive for a first gen hardware
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's very encouraging. This is sparking a huge conversation in the phone nerd space. Apple and Qualcomm working custom core designs instead of using ARM reference hardware. It's too early to call it yet, but moving to custom cores seems like the correct play. The next phone chip is going to be HEAVILY scrutinized against ARM reference cores.
@FrankJonen Місяць тому
Kinda want that red laptop.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
No joke. I REALLY liked that shell. I kinda hoped they'd make their own Surface style and sell direct to consumers.
@FrankJonen Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy It's a bit annoying. They've plastered Instagram with these red laptops, now they're in the video all over. Just sell it already.
@FlorinArjocu Місяць тому
I hope Qualcomm makes good Linux drivers for these. If it is a good chip, it will be running in a while a whole bunch of devices and many of those (beyond PCs) are on Linux.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Want so bad. Even the WSL performance is shockingly good on the old 8CX chips. This should be next level for Linux.
@FlorinArjocu Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy I hope so, as I am counted as Windows (the laptops came with that), but all 3 in our house run Linux. It is not only GPU that needs support, but also Wifi, Bluetooth, power management, virtualization, the GPU (CUDA-like) and AI programming APIs, etc.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Oh for sure. I'm not expecting it to be smooth to start. But given the potential in enterprise space, I hope Qualcomm will be forced to deliver support in more public ways than we see for phones.
@ajibsaladka Місяць тому
Honestly , linux is a downgrade for this level of hardware. Useless ego masturbation
@FlorinArjocu Місяць тому
@@ajibsaladka Your joke aside, there are tasks that are (way) faster / better done on Linux. And even for regular users, we might have different needs.
@kevinkev1530 Місяць тому
👍🏾
@kamertonaudiophileplayer847 Місяць тому
I use RPi and similar devices for decades without a problem, so sure I expect some room for ARM processors for laptops and even desktops. Apple do that with a great success.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I've been advocating for YEARS now that a modern premium phone is overkill compute power for most consumer needs LOL. I'm really hoping we see this chip in new mini-desktops and AIO PCs.
@EverRusting Місяць тому
I want a handheld gaming device with this chip like Legion Go but battery actually lasts more than 30 minutes.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's so close right! Like... I can taste it...
@davidburns8113 Місяць тому
Please told me they're sending you a laptop to play with, Juan I want this so baaaad
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I hope so, but I'm buying fewer phones this year to also grab a laptop. It's been a long time since I've bought a new laptop.
@kbubuntu6048 Місяць тому
i hope it come to chromebook and chromebox
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Same. I HAVE to believe we'll see Qualcomm and Mediatek announcing support or manufacturers using these in chromebooks over the next year.
@MrPerrisC Місяць тому
It's looking good, not close to the best x86 cpus, but for first release not bad, I have a question too. Why is qualcomm afraid to publish transistor count to actually demonstrate ARM parity? Apple uses 10 times transistor count over x86 in their desktop CPU, (ultra and M3max) and still loses to x86 LAPTOP CPUs I need to see transistor count of this chip before I get excited
@jacksongunner7122 Місяць тому
Really most users vastly under utilize the power of their laptop except when it comes to gaming. If this chip can support typical light gaming capabilities of intel laptops then it's a winner.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
So far, it's easily surpassing thin Intel ultra 7 sustems at lower power. I see this also being an avenue for mobile consoles in the NEAR future.
@SinistralEpoch Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Speaking as someone who's been running a 155h for the last month. I've not really found it *lacking* in terms of performance for what I want to do on it. But I'm also not trying to play AAA games on the thing. Mostly light gaming, and general laptop usage. Persona 3 Reload, for example, works wonderfully. So, I'm looking forward to seeing what this thing can actually push. The Meteor Lake battery life is inconsistent as fuck. lol.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's absolutely the main win IMO. I don't think we're going to see radical performance differences, and we might hangout near this tier for a year or three with only iterative improvements, but hopefully we're going to see a change in consumer systems improving performance per watt.
@SinistralEpoch Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy I ran the original M1 Mac Air into the ground, until the battery on it started to fade. Then I picked this up. If I can get 3-4 years out of the Snapdragon laptop with no real desire to upgrade, I'd call that an absolute win. I'll take iterative improvements if it means we get a consistent experience across the board. That's what's been missing in the Windows laptops for me, including the Surface lineup. When this drops in June-ish, I'll pre-order the damn thing if I can. Genuinely the most excited I've been for a Windows product almost a decade. (I loved the Windows phone's Metro. It's still the best smart phone interface, imo.)
@rnavedojr 22 дні тому
Not so long ago we worried about Windows laptops design and now we are all asking for M3 type of performance with special battery life improvement which in my opinion is Windows laptops biggest weakness.
@vincentchi56 Місяць тому
In my opinion, WoA laptop need to run PC light loading game smoothly (ex. LOL/CS GO/Street Fighter 6 in 1080P/60FPS) , End-User will compare Snapdrogron X Elite game performance with Intel/AMD GPU performance & compatibility.
@DS-pk4eh Місяць тому
But the top laptop x86 APU is coming from AMD not Intel, the 7840U or 7840HS and its new version 8840 series with NPU unit added. So . . . Example: that Baldur-s Gate 3 game, runs at 40+ FPS on AMD
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
At what wattage?
@DS-pk4eh Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy The video i saw was actually running on handheld gaming device, so it is definitely lower than 30W (UKposts keeps deleting the link to it)
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That would be cool. I'll be curious to see how AMD's next gen plays out in handhelds and portables. The X Elite will probably crush a 10W - 15W handheld APU in more CPU bound tasks, but I think it's telling that Qualcomm isn't billing their first chip as a gaming solution. They're actively pushing against that. It's a thin and light notebook chip that CAN game. I would imagine we see some in-generation improvements too with some GPU driver support, and some devs taking adreno more seriously.
@tiromandal6399 Місяць тому
Well at the very least we're finally gonna have some real low power consuming Windows laptops.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
"At the very least" is an odd way of saying "Intel Ultra 7 155H performance at under 20W".
@tiromandal6399 Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy Hopefully but Intel's been making chips for windows a tiny bit longer than Snapdragon and those handful of benchmarks of the X Elite laptops were not done by 3rd party reviewers so saying "Intel Ultra 7 155H performance at under 20W" wouldn't be very wise. X Elite chips might not perform as good in certain tasks, just like it happens with Apple's CPUs. Hence my original comment. If they are at least as good as Apple's CPUs it'd be amazing, or even the Intel CPUs but if not then it wouldn't be bad either cuz of the very low power consuming aspect of the X Elites.
@abhidahiya4007 Місяць тому
Intel and AMD are under serious threat now. Just 24W for the whole system compared to 30/40/50 watts of Intel, AMD just for CPU. X Elite will run circles around its competitors. That too for a even thinner and lighter fanless system. Finally i no longer need to look at a Macbook for all day battery life as i can't stand macos
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We've got a ton of potential here. Now we need OEMs to deliver.
@new-lviv Місяць тому
Does it run Linux?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We'll have to see how Linux devs decide to support it, but I get VERY GOOD performance out of my 8CX using the WSL in Windows 11. I've never tried booting directly into Linux.
@ultrium2000 Місяць тому
I would buy one if I could put Linux on it. Raspberry Pies are ARM based. The company that makes them puts in the work to make Linux works on their machines. Maybe Qualcomm needs to help out with the Linux developers in order to make Linux available on their machines.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It'll come down to the enterprise market. If corporations demand it, it totally believe Lenovo would want to satisfy that market, and that means more public component support than we often get on phone chips. I think it'll rough in the early days tho.
@amirbahalegharn365 Місяць тому
a 2 foldable with 2 rollable smartphone-tablet-laptop mode with Win12 ARM which hopefully have a much much better x86toARM translator built-in and the support of WSA or Android on board with MS win desktop launcher and mobile one like regular phones, can change the whole landscape of usual devices as AIO and also let MS return to mobile phones shares via their own surface lines or much better, like google android, partnered with Samsun or xiaomi & other companies to release such versatile product from 6.5inch to fully expanded 15inch screen device with "standardized" modular battery or dock ports when user needs fully desktop mode & even 2nd SOC board to enhance the performance capability . it's pinnacle of what consumers need in this decade with AI on board doing many stuff avg or pro users will need & use
@erjigit17 Місяць тому
When will the comparison with Apple M3 be?
@justy1337 Місяць тому
While I'm very much excited for development for Windows on ARM, I hope Windows software developers actually migrate their software to natively support arm64. While modern apps may have existing toolchains that could be easily migrated to ARM, older apps may struggle. It tends to be old proprietary apps that you still need for your particular workflow. But perhaps something like the web versions of these applications (if available) would have to suffice during this transition just when Apple went to Apple Silicon
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
It's the path i see most likely. There's a ton of old software that just won't make the jump, and that sucks. But it's also a good time to make this consumer push where so many services are already apps and browser primarily. There's a little hope we can manage this a little less painfully than trying in years past. The compromises don't seem as severe.
@justy1337 Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuyYeah. Just as Microsoft shoved all sorts of new standards in the past down device manufacturers, they should be really pushing it for Windows for ARM adoption while stepping up their x86 to ARM compatbility layer to at least get similar performance to Apple Rosetta (which tbf is already impressive)
@Neonyx11-vz3fd Місяць тому
I'm concerned about snapdragon X elite support for Linux.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I'd imagine it's going to be rough at the launch until enterprise customers put some pressure on companies like HP and Lenovo.
@ryshask Місяць тому
Intel about to get dumped HARD.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
We've been stuck in the "Intel vs AMD" duopoly for so long, it's exciting to see some potential disruption from another player.
@WB007 Місяць тому
2774 Single Core and 14027 multi core on Geekbench 6 is better than M3 pro. What is the power draw?
@RirtyDascal Місяць тому
Apple M3 Pro processor scores 3,111 for single-core performance and 15,273 for multi-core performance in the Geekbench 6 CPU Benchmark. I'm hoping these Qualcomm chips will gives Windows the boost in battery life it so desperately needs, while also remaining powerful even when unplugged from the wall. That's a whole lot of the reason I made the switch to Apple silicon when the M1 Macbook Air was released. I liked it so much that I gifted that laptop to my oldest daughter and recently picked up the M3 Pro Macbook Pro to treat myself a bit. If Qualcomm brings the same kind of performance back to Windows, I wouldn't be opposed to switching back. Eventually. I'm gonna get my money's worth out of this Macbook first. Power draw for Snapdragon X Elite is between 12 watts(without fan), and 80 watts(with fan). 45 TDP being "typical" according to Qualcomm.
@WB007 Місяць тому
@@RirtyDascal Yes, if the efficiency level is close to apple m3 or even amd 7840u then I'll be very much keen to buy one.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's what's confusing. Qualcomm only describes TOTAL system power, and that score was delivered on a test bed rated at 24W. We really don't have a good oranges to oranges comparison yet against Intel, AMD, and M series. If an OEM can also deliver that performance, fanless, and at a total system draw of 24W, for a good MacBook air starting price, this is going to be epic.
@WB007 Місяць тому
@@SomeGadgetGuy 24w at max performance would be epic indeed.
@Pidalin Місяць тому
Even if this is not gonna be immediate revolution, it's good that ARM architecture is finally slowly getting to desktop with Windows, because this needs more users, more testing and more development which can't be done just in labs without feedback from real users. After few years, who knows, maybe it's gonna be the future. We have compatibility with pretty old software and games and that compatibility is more limited by GPU drivers and DirectX support and such things, so even when old soft and games are x86, it still can give errors and bugs on modern hardware. I think it's maybe time to start thiking about some bigger change and don't stupidly insist on compatibility with 20+ years old software and games. I have several retro computers and full boxes with old hardware, I don't need this compatibility on my new computer and when new computer can be more efficient when we drop this x86 compatibility, then maybe we should do it. The same with outdated ATX standard and PCI-e slots which are really not designed for today 3 kg 50 cm long GPUs.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
That's always the galling thing about techies isn't it? "Oh, that new thing didnt immediately become the number one selling thing, and it wasn't exactly like the thing I already use, but faster and cheaper and make me ham sandwiches? Fail."
@darkashes9953 Місяць тому
They could build one that can replace a top gaming pc easy.
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
Just wait until this is in a steam deck style portable...
@aldob5681 Місяць тому
so no arm in the wild?
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I mean, I still regularly use a Windows on ARM machine.
@az-fy3mp Місяць тому
if it can run cities skylines then i'm all in!
@SomeGadgetGuy Місяць тому
I can't wait to REALLY test drive a real consumer sold system. The last gen Snapdragon PC chip was surprisingly good at PC gaming for older AAA and indie titles.
@sykoteddy Місяць тому
I really don't get why they want to team up with Microsoft Windows if they want to show how effective a ARM processor can be, BLOAT pretty much is a analog of Windows and everyone knows that. I'm more excited to see what Linux and ARM can show, I mean, they already have the one foot in since they have made products using Android. I don't think I need to point out what Android is based on.
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