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Thanks! No I don't cover the features in detail, maybe a glance over during the mesh review but I don't focus on it, especially with Asus, that would be a 4 hour video with the amount of options it has lol.

Thanks for the feedback!

Thanks! Yup ET12 is much better

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I'm excited about those new wifi 7 cause as you mentioned they have more fast ports

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Thanks!

Glad it was helpful!

ET12 is an excellent choice

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No problem. Wired backhaul is amazing

I went the Unifi route many years ago. Now I‘m considering going back to ASUS. The Unifi access points just aren‘t the best, quite bad actually, even compared to cheap Asus routers in my opinion :(

Much appreciated!

Thanks for the feedback! I've been waiting for the new nest wifi which seems to be called the Nest WiFi Pro according to some sites and may be released soon according to the rumors. I'll be sure to get it and review it and make some comparisons to other units. I did really like the nest wifi that came out 2 years ago but it does seem outdated now.

@@landpet Don't waste your money on Google Nest. I replaced my whole Google Nest system (which I bought at Costco and returned) for a pair of Asus XT12 and a pair of XT8 - the Asus are beasts. You have a ton of controls and it's super fast. The Google Nest just doesn't have that punch (shorter ranges and speed degradation). The Google Nest products are super basic and you will get a lot more bang for the buck from Asus. I set this up and am getting constant 600 MBPs on a 1GB Verizon Fios network. My house is really spread out (ranch on a half acre lot and I get full coverage on my property - the Asus are worth the money - they really are excellent devices!

Thank you

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Thanks!

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Thanks! I'm assuming you meant X55? If so, then I can say that the XE75 would perform better over wireless backhaul because of the extra band, 30 feet sounds reasonable with a wall. If the basement is terrible, you can always pick up another XE75 or any other Deco, but I have a feeling you should get ok performance in the basement.

@@landpet I initially picked up the xe55. But as it is dual band I decided to return it and pick up the xe75. The coverage was not too bad in the basement with the xe55. But I was also running a single client at the time (it’s a new house and we are in the process of moving).

Dedicated channels were used for wireless backhaul. The goal was to get the fastest speeds possible. Some support it some don’t. Appreciate the feedback! The issue is I’m trying to make the videos shorter so I skip some information like ping and jitter at the max distances, parental control demos and things like it. I’m trying to just get the main points across but even that’s lengthy since I’m going into detail the various connections and their resulting speeds.

Thanks! I think the Orbi will be your best bet.

No problem! I am currently testing the standard wyze mesh router, after that will be the asus xd5. Anyone of these would be fine for me since I run wired backhaul and I am currently under gigabit speeds. But I am planning on upgrading my internet speeds, so after that I would need one of the faster port options. I do plan on testing the Deco BE95 in the future.

You can use any of these like that where you plug the main one as the router, then plug the secondary ones one or two rooms away. However they don’t have a beacon size equivalent where it’s something small that just goes to the outlet.

Thanks! I don’t have any plans of testing that one yet

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Glad it was useful! Thanks for watching!

No problem. Orbi RBK853 is definitely better than the Deco XE75 pro, it just depends what you need it for.

@@landpet I have a few dead spots around the house and connection is inconsistent with just the ISP router. I bit the bullet and bought the orbi, straight away massive change and no drop outs plus it’s reaching the corner of the whole house, So thank you!

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks. I haven't tried the XT12, it doesn't support WiFi 6E so the backhaul speeds may vary compared to the ET12.

They are currently $50 difference unless there are some sales. might as well get the ET in that case. Current pricing seems to be $800 for the twins

That's strange. I had great numbers for the Orbi and the ASUS for wireless backhaul. You don't have a modem/router combo do you? If you do, make sure that router is disabled otherwise it can interfere with the signals.

@@landpet Thanks for that, man! Guess I had the double NAT issue. Followed your advice and disabled the router on the Nighthawk and things are all good! 👍

@@B_K13 Glad it worked out!

Thanks!

Yes I would agree, X55 Pro is the better choice for wired backhaul and you get 2 2.5Gbps

Thanks! I’ve reviewed those as well, pretty good for the price. They’re not WiFi 6E so I didn’t include them here. I’m not a fan of the Tenda app, looks dated but no issues using them, solid routers.

Thanks! If you’re going wired backhaul and you don’t need crazy range, you can even go with the cheapest option in this list. Wired backhaul setups don’t need to be expensive since the Ethernet delivers a fast stable connection to every room. Now if your internet is faster than a gigabit, I would opt for the ET12 just to have fast wired backhaul throughout. I haven’t played with the XT12, I imagine it will be similar range to the ET12. You bring up a good point to go to the XT12 vs ET12 however unless you have a ton of WiFi devices that are going to operate on the 5GHz band, I would rather future proof and go with the ET12.

Thank you 🙏

I would recommend the Orbi RBKE963 with wifi Daisy Chain

That does look like the best option. I didn’t mention it in my question because I was hoping to spend less but I suppose I should keep it on my list!

Thanks! Depends on your internet speeds and what you're looking for in terms of speeds throughout your home. If you can place them close enough on each floor, I would start with the budget option like the Deco XE5300 (assuming your internet is up to gigabit). The Orbi hands down would be the best solution for you but also the most expensive, the ASUS is another great option but I like the 1 node per floor option so I would probably even get a 3 pack of the ET12 assuming you want to maximize the speeds throughout your home, granted the ET12 should still be fine in a 2 pack configuration but I prefer a 3 pack in your case.

Consider using powerline adapters for your backhaul. Depending on the wiring and materials of your house, that might be faster and more reliable.

@@iAmTheSquidThing Ethernet over coax a better option.

I use it as my main mesh system so around 50 or so WiFi devices competing.

Just make sure to balance yourself some of the devices, only allow cellphones and laptops to be balance by the mesh

No problem. Check out my latest review on the deco xe200, they support a dedicated IoT network . I can’t remember at the top of my mind but I think you can separate ssid’s with the ASUS.

We have asus and yes you can set a dedicated 2.4 network however you don’t need it, we have two devices that works only on the 2.4 network and they are picked correctly

Sadly it is impossible for thisa router and this is a big shame. Shame on you, Tp-Link, shame on you.

@@kakhak ??? TP-Link..? You absolutely can define and separate your traffic on the TP-Link line. Even without doing so I have had ZERO issues with my IOT (2.4gh) traffic and devices being handled properly. What TP-Link device are you shaming on?

The Google Nest system is not designed for a plethora of devices and is really not designed for such heavy use. I switched from Google Nest to Asus XT12 units combines with XT8 units and there's no looking back - it's a whole other ballgame...

Thanks! They are similar minus the third band. I haven't played with the XT12 to know if it has better wireless backhaul or not so can't say either way. I personally just like the ET12 since it does support the faster band

@@landpet thank you very much. I bought it right now...awesome support

@@Krottix1976 nice!

I agree, I always update before my tests just to get the best possible numbers in case something was improved upon.

The only system I had that disconnected was the XT8, however it stopped disconnecting after a few days from what I remember. Nothing else has disconnected for me

@@landpet awesome, thank you for your reply

Thanks! Great question, yes you can use your coax cables as an "ethernet" backhaul for any of these mesh systems, to do this you need a MoCA 2.5 adapter. Google MoCA 2.5, they typically come in 2 packs, you need one on the transmitting side and the other on the receiving side. Essentially, one mesh node connects via ethernet in the MoCA adapter and coax goes out of the MoCA adapter through the walls then on the other side (downstairs or upstairs in your case) coax comes in to the MoCA adapter and ethernet goes out of the MoCA adapter to your other mesh node.

@@landpet Thank you do you think this back haul coax wired connection will be faster or the same as the Asus wireless connection?

@@landpet O well looking at the fine print for the Screen Beam 2.5...... Non-Compatibility: Not compatible with Direct TV, Dish or other satellite TV, AT&T internet, or AT&T U-verse coax networks. Too bad I was all excited that I could do it without getting a cable to that area I guess I will have to rely on a wireless connection. Thanx for your help robert

Well for budget/mid tier I would say the XE75 Pro but that has a 2.5Gbps port, so you would be losing that extra 0.5Gbps your Internet provides, so really you would need something with a faster port. The Orbi RBKE963 would be the optimal solution but that does come with a high price tag. So I'm going to say the Deco XE200 which is not in this video is probably your best bet of performance/price. I have done a video on it.

@@landpet thanks. So I would just simply plug in one pod into the 2.5 port to facilitate the other pods to wirelessly connect? would 2 pods, with one connect to my modem be enough or is 3 preferable?

TP-Link has some basic stuff included as well. Linksys also has some basic controls for free. ASUS has them as well.

@@landpet Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. I have always appreciated all the hard work you do for your videos and I always learn something. I have a 2 story 3k house and an old apple airport router linked to an even older apple extreme downstairs that still works ok but there are dead spots and periodic issues. I also have a lot of wifi stuff so I am thinking of the Asus Zen XT8. Thanks again robert

Thanks! According to the specs the BE95 is better than all current mesh systems including the powerful Orbi. Now specs are one thing, results are another but judging my previous experience with Deco products, I expect the BE95 to shine. I’m going to try and get my hands on that BE95 among some others as they’re announced. I’ll make some videos and do some comparisons once I have a few handy.

@@landpet Thank you so much! Looking forward to your upcoming videos! BTW, you are the Best One online! 😀

I think Ubiquiti has some PoE options.

I haven't played with Synology routers. Thanks for the feedback

Thanks and yes you can add more to Asus.

that's a great deal!

Just connect it to your modem directly, don’t need isp router

It really is!

Et12 is good.

Yes

Thanks!

I haven’t tested that. I think you can adjust the gain of the antenna for some models like the ASUS which should lower consumption.

Deco XE200 has a specific IoT network (here's my review on it: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/a6eBrXemaIGe2Kc.html). Just as a heads up, I have a decent amount of IoT devices and had no issues getting my IoT devices to connect to any of these mesh systems.

I'm upgrading from the Amplifi Alien (AWESOME system-Just reached the 128 device limit) which is something I really wish these videos would provide as I had no idea the Amplifi Alien router and 2 satellites would have a limit of 128 devices. Just something I learned the hard way, with devices just dropping off, then reconnecting. Some times they worked, sometimes they didn't. Put in a crazy amount of wasted time. Anyway, I choose the Orbi 960 Series at $1,500. Took back the first 3 pc set because when I turned on the IoT network on just 2.4 (did not add 5Ghz to that channel) for ALOT of home automation devices, the speed was ridiculously slow 20-40Mbps 5 feet away from the router. Went through their tech help, finally elevated to technician, spent hours troubleshooting and trying different things with them to no avail. Then their tech help became an email a day. I've seen on the internet, people having the same problem as me, but tech help had them hoping also and went past their return time and they were stuck dealing with their Tech help, and sometimes not getting any replies which really scared me). Took it back and got another set, hoping the 2.4 radio was bad, because I really do like the system, especially handling 160+ devices. Exact same issue with 2nd set... Great all around and I do mean GREAT, except for just using 2.4Ghz on the IoT to which speed and range simply vanished. More Tech help and seemingly more and more wasted time. I didn't find any solution to this problem on the net that anyone had. I just ordered the Asus E12, hopefully they perform better, so I can return the 2nd set of the Orbi's. Also hoping they can handle the device load, as I don't see anywhere stating how many devices the 2 piece system can handle, Anyway I do agree these are FANTASTIC Videos, I do wish there was more testing on a standalone 2.4Ghz channel which is really needed for a smart home. Or is it expected that I just need to upgrade all my devices past 2.4? Which in some cases is simply not an option. Thanks again for your Reviews! Matt

Thanks! Yes you can use the gigabit for the WAn and Ethernet back haul from the 2.5Gbps to a switch to the other 2.5Gbps

@@landpet .. Awesome 👍😎 Thanks again.

Not entirely correct. You can use 2.5GbE for backhaul with your switch, router, or even other deco, and for your end devices, if they have the capability to work over 1gbps. Also, you won't use cat5 cables for backhaul at 2.5GbE, but cat6, and 7.

@@Syokool .. You have a choice where you're going to put your bottleneck. My question was more about which port(s) you "have to use" for the "WAN." I'm crystal clear about how internal switching works as long as you're on the same exact network, but most people in the know don't put everything on the same network. Instead, they are putting all their IoTs devices, PCs, cams, guests, etc on different *"network segments"* and then you just forced a bottleneck regardless of your type or speed of switch. Bottom line, I probably would not recommend this device if your ISP speed is greater than 1Gbps. I asked this question for a friend that just recently ordered Starlink. His connection speed is under 1Gbps but he wants to transfer files from one PC to another faster; e.g. 2.5Gbps

ET12 is definitely better than the eero Pro 6E.

Really my house is about 4K Square Feet, and Eero I bought a few years ago I swear by it. Does the job. What happened? What didn't you like?

@ManCodeTV My main eero was in one corner of the house and 2 were spread out, and my room is on the other floor and just about the furthest distance from the main eero. Even with the mesh, I wouldn't get close to gigabit, probably more like 100mbps. The ET12 with only 2 mesh networks allows me to get 400-600mbps in my room.

Yes, it does. The dashboard is quite simple bc you don't really need to set a lot of stuff up manually. But if you want, you can configure anything, like static routing and even vpn. It's just, you don't use them as regular routers but as extensions with high power.

Good to know, I haven’t tried ubiquiti yet

aren't those more prosumer and in a higher cost bracket? I started looking into Ubiquiti but you have to buy into a whole entire system from what i understand; which is for the guys needing the absolute best. Not really meant for the typical family, unless I'm mistaken

If you're running wireless backhaul, yes the xe75 pro would be an upgrade for the secondary nodes.

@@landpetI’m not sure if they back haul just have them placed and one nvr is connected to one of them

Yes, just make sure it's not too far away.

@@landpet When you say too far meaning "under 20 feet" with one or two walls in between? So like one is on the 1st floor and another is on the 2nd floor.

No

its awesome for the price.

I haven't tried them for offline use, I imagine they would but not sure how I would rate them. Maybe in that case ASUS would provide the most options so probably would go with ASUS

No drops from any of these, up time varies from 1 week of testing to 1 month+ of testing with most averaging in the 2 to 3 week categories.

Yeah I don't go into power consumption but to give you some very rough numbers, the stronger signal routers like the Orbi take more power.

TP Link Deco XE200 is not in this video but it's very good, comparable to the ET12 maybe not quite as good in certain aspects but better in others. I did a video on it, you can check out to see the speed differences but it's very good.

Multiple 1Gb devices can split up the 2.5Gb

There are 3 ports, each one gigabit ethernet. They could, theoretically, split the bandwidth between them, but they won't as long as your end devices (laptops or pcs connected via ethernet cable) have networking cards working with 1gbps. For your laptop or pc to work with 2+gbps you need, a category 6, 6A or 7 ethernet cable and a port that works with 2+gbps in your device, which is rare even now.

I did the same and agree with you. I have had better luck with the Asus ET12

I'm a person who knows pretty much nothing about all of this unless it works well for me or doesn't. You said something interesting that makes me wonder. I have the Google Nest Wi-Fi from 2 years ago. I have two routers in which one is considered the real router and the other one is hardwired from the router from the second floor to the first floor. Because we have so many walls, I added the extender point to the formal living room the backyard and the garage. Without them, I can't get internet in those locations because there are so many walls in our 35-year-old house. I did that because I thought each one could have the best direct line to the original one as possible and hopefully extend the network. You are saying something about the backhaul being bottlenecked. I wonder if that's a problem in my house given my situation. Any thoughts?

Nest Wi-Fi is a dual band so it won’t be as fast for wireless backhaul unlike a Triband or quad band system. Just as a heads up, there is rumor the new nest Wi-Fi pro is about to come out so I’m curious how well that will do

@@sharonhalter-day3334 this one is a little confusing. Google Nest is a smart hub, not a router, as I understand. My house was build in 1958, metal framed doors. Asus has been solid after learning curve. Small house but get coverage to backyard, etc. on (2) nodes - 6900 sq ft lot. When there's a discount will add 3rd node (single nodes on Amazon).

@@user-fq4fu2tm3n Thank you. I always say the wrong words for the items I am talking about when it comes to the tech world. lol Thanks for the clarification. I was talking about the web Google connected wifi routers that are called points. 😁

I talk about it in my setup videos, short answer is yes. You want your main router to be the best router which is typically the mesh you buy.

Thanks! You must connect the modem to the router first, then from the router you can connect a switch or the other ASUS router (that will act as a node). The secondary Asus acting as a node must be connected via the 2.5Gbps WAN port when the Ethernet that’s providing internet access is getting connected whether it’s coming from the main Asus router or the switch that’s connected after the Asus main router. I will eventually do a tutorial on how to connect the ASUS routers

At first glance, it's in between the Deco XE75 and eero Pro 6E. Deal wise, the Deco XE75 is better and provides better wireless backhaul speeds. Google comes in "2nd" place and "3rd" is the eero Pro 6E. Now I plan on making a vide of the Google Nest WiFi Pro and eero Pro 6E and I'm going to run the eero Pro 6E again to get any firmware updates to see if anything has improved before I can give my final opinion. eero Pro 6E does have the advantage of a faster port assuming your internet speeds are over gigabit where Google and Deco are capped to gigabit so it really depends on the user.

@@landpet Thank you for the detailed answer. I know several people who like previous Google routers for their simplicity and stability, even though they don't have the best spec numbers. That was 1-2 product generations ago.

I did have some initial drops with the XT8 that disappeared after some use and never had drops with the Deco, so based on that, the Deco should be more stable.

XE200 is the best from these three

Every home is different. My place is smaller and I use 2 of them just cause I want amazing coverage wherever I go. I think you will at least need 2, maybe even 3 again if you want optimal coverage throughout your place. Can you get away with using 1 for your entire home, probably but your WiFi speeds may suffer a bit on the edges of your home.