The one thing that I find really upsetting is how LEGO did support motorizing the Crocodile, yet, did not look for a way to design a tender with 4 wheels that would maybe be big enough for an M - motor and the battery box for the Orient Express. I have two crocodile sets so far that I purchased before it was retired, but, I haven't built them yet, so I don't know about the complexity of doing any of these things. Even though I'm an American, I do respect and love European trains, and wanting to build them with LEGO is very alluring...

Ello

As far as I'm concerned, thank you! More to come :)

Or prehaps the team doesnt exist. :o)

Or directly propose that people should buy the Mould King 12025 instead.

@@gaspode8 lego quality control is mostly looking at the price and making sure they are squeezing everything out of oyou

He was transparent and honest in this video. Not as much in the Gringotts review. I think peer pressure plays a part as he hung out with the designer of Gringotts before his review.

@@seancarr1595 He's also a clear fan of the HP series. At least he has said as much. People tend to let some stuff slide when they also like the IP of the set.

@@seancarr1595 What is wrong with Gringotts review?

​@@Dakeyras83 U got all of diagon alley for.the same price and nearly everything was done with stickers

As I said somewhere else: Lego Emerald Night: Great loco, meh car Lego Orient Express: Meh loco, great cars I'd like to see how the trains would look if we swap the locos together

They honestly should just re-release The Emerald Night again.

@@HNBGamer it would be great if it was a moc with green instead. Plus at least that train is actually powered

It just shows how bad the current sets are tbh

its still my fav set! i've rebuilt all the lego train sets using the emerald night template lol like the hogwarts express etc. i just used 2 sets for the pieces

Although I would have loved to have this set, this reeks of a lack of polish. It actually makes me wonder if Lego even has proper systems in place to catch such errors.

@@leonro well, after LEGO Technic 42125 I think the answer is "no"

Considering that the Mould King 12025 is the way better set concerning design, brick quality and features, this Lego “motto” is a joke which makes me laugh really hard.

Tbh, seeing the original doesn't make me want to get the Orient Express anymore and instead look for a MOC.

​@@VeraBrightfeatherexactly what i was thinking, it looks too toyish

@@SerbijaSupreme Don't get me wrong, the current iteration is fine, but I grew up with Lionel trains, and the original concept really captures that feeling in a way this one doesn't. I am kinda tempted to see if I can make my own MOC of the Grand Canyon Express.

@@VeraBrightfeather i get you man, a moc would look way better, especially if you grew up around them

You can get that from mould king for under 200 bucks...

As far as I'm concerned, thank you :) Means a lot!

Quality is my biggest concern too. 30 years ago there were never any visible injection mold gate marks, now they are everywhere, especially on smaller pieces. And those track pieces bending up like that is inexcusable. Wonky prints are also really weird with all the decades of experience they have of doing this stuff. Spelling mistakes should also be easy to avoid. I wish Lego would switch focus from growing to improving instead, they are already big enough. If they keep growing and growing eventually they are going to run out of market to grow into and the entire thing will crash. I'd hate to see that.

Not to mention close to 100$ cheaper

True. Lego's high pricing looks worse and worse with all the increased high-quality competition out there now. @@ace_trace_2237

Lego is More focused on sueing Little alternative Lego shops. Three Shops alone in austria/ germany are now in process of closing because of Lego.

The one thing I loved about this set!

The ONLY thing I love about this set.

Eaven cheap China variants had less

I have stopped supporting the Lego company, i only stick with used vintage sets, it's just not clicking anymore for me, Lego really started to lose their appeal to me with these over abundance on huge super expensive adult sets, This obsession with large scale and detail has ruined much of their product lines and i'm certainly not the only one in this position.

Yeah like trains are one of the most popular type of knock off Lego. It seems odd to me that they haven't attempted a My Own Train type deal again, but I'm hoping that this set is the turning point for Lego. The used prices of non-city trains just goes to show how strong the market is for trains. It'd be so sick if they at least started with freight trains, being able to pick between a couple locomotives and like 4 types of cars. That would do so freaking well especially cuz it means that there's always sets for train fans to buy over time. It'd be way easier for me to start with a locotmoive and then every month buy a new car vs dropping $300+ on just starting

Officially yes, but fans have already come up with solutions and succeeded in motorising it.

Indeed, I wonder if they will quietly issue a -2 version with these details fixed (or just provide a sticker sheet).

Because the Orient Express isn't about any single locomotive, it's about the luxury experience of the cabins.

@@KosmicK , they got their luxury cabins ... why change the locomotive though? This looks absolutely nothing linke the original that the people voted for.

Agreed!

Looks like Duplo to me

230 is still way too much. Get the Mould King 12025 Orient Express and see what quality you get for less than 200.

Yeah you’re totally right; I have the Emerald Night set and it has the same issue, I honestly don’t know what they could do to fix it lol. Not too big of a deal tho imo, both still look really nice

Rubber bands are used on the Emerald Night. Should work great with them!

The connecting rod journals should be offset by 90 Deg left/right - I do not know what's in instructions, but people often assume it's 180, since it looks balanced, but leads to exactly this issue

@@Papinak2 I genuinely believe this is the most underrated/overlooked bit of steam locomotive trivia. And the only reason this is not news for me is James May's video on repairing a vintage model train locomotive, where he mentions this exact issue.

@@Papinak2 That's exactly how I solved it! Thanks for reminding me.

With games and other commercial software, the problem is that often times it is either not worth it to fix an issue if it a small amount of users will notice it, or if fixing it will break more serious features of the software (as is often the case). And given how many people are coding one single software nowadays, a lot of mistakes will slip in due to miscommunication and uneven levels of skill. Not to mention that once the software is sold, there is not a lot of incentive to fix it for customers who will not pay anymore. It is only a few instances where software reliability is paramount, such space equipment (which is very inaccessible after deployment) and bank systems (errors could lead to major losses). If we're talking about a game, a lot of phone apps, or any common OS, any issue that does not often pop up and can be fixed with a reboot does not need fixing. However, commodity software like games will be particularly egregious when it comes to coding errors.

You mean 90 degrees. 45 is not possible with cross axles.

I've done that! Followed the instructions very meticulously

@@R0Sch88 my bad

@@TiagoCatarino I guess the only other option is rubber bands, or make sure that the wheels aren’t pressed together too tightly for them to roll smoothly make sure that you can move them side to side a little bit.

@@TiagoCatarino - There is a forum post on eurobricks with an instruction on how to fix this issue for the Emerald Night. I wonder if a similar fix would help here (first result on google for me if you search "lego emerald night issue fix").

Oh, a typo. Such a huge mistake, it's the end of the world.

​​@@SourChicken1856300€ btw

Thanks for pointing this out, getting the spelling of places correct is important.

I know! Made sure to mention it in the video :)

​@@SourChicken1856 imagine paying 300 bucks for a product with multiple errors and quality control mistakes

While I definitely like the Emerald night as a locomotive this locomotive looks fine even has some nice details, and yet clearly the rolling stock is the clear focus really, way more detailed and impressive than the single carriage that comes with an Emerald Night and you get two of them! Does seem like the locomotive is a bit on the small side for an 'orient express' train, though so many locomotives have been used and some of them are clearly smaller still. Also only so Large a Lego set can practically be and this I'd suggest is already pushing it - for any of the AFOL that just wanted a good display model its so darn long it would be hard to find a space for it, and for those that want to get it running on their railway, well they will want at least two sets worth to have enough carriage to look plausible... So this smaller loco is probably a good idea with how large the carriages seem to be. (Plus most Lego Train nutters will already have at least one Emerald Night - just switch the locomotives around if you have the space)

You can probably order the parts individually online for a fraction of the price

I think the change to a much smaller engine, rather than a color change, was to allow for an additional car instead. Since the orient express is the passenger service, not the engine, the brand deal had it make sense to focus more on the cars. I can fully understand those changes, but I can also understand that a hardcore train-fan would think the final engine model looks absolutely silly and toy-ish.

It's because the company that owns orient express got involved. People tend to forget this information that since this ideas set became a licensed set the company that owns the orient express branding wanted to change the design to fit the 2024 revival of the 140+ year old train and they had 1 particular engine in mind to be used instead of what the designer for the submission had submitted. The engine itself you see here has a real life counterpart in the orient express's line of engines for the coaches and when Lego group went to the headquarters of the orient express the train was actually in use at the time so they could not get a up close on hands look at the engine at that time but were able to visit their archives that lists and showed every single engine that has pulled or currently pulls the orient express's coaches and had to use the current engine's design and the color was picked because orient express wanted the entire thing in the colors of the coaches as seen in the 1920s and 1930s which is exactly as seen here where it was blue with gold trimmings and the names of the places it goes to. If anyone should blame anyone they should blame the company that owns orient express as they are the ones who went heavy on what they wanted the set to be like. They took a ideas submission and turned it into a licensed set.

The engine change was by the train company that owns the orient express name Lego had to comply otherwise the set would have been completely cancelled all together

More to come!

Yes I did!

@@TiagoCatarino Strange. It should work better than the Emerald Night because all the driving axles are solid. The other possible reasons I can think of is that the sliding joint is too high above the driving axles or the new rod parts have too much friction. The former was another problem I had with my Emerald Night, and it appears to be a copy-specific issue. The latter isn't too surprising given the other QC issues.

The mispelled names is strange... How did NO ONE notice it?

This might be obvious, but I didn't consider it until I saw it done; the sticker can be rested on the logo end of the brick separator, instead of on your fingernail, for more control.

Instructions do say that, and I built it accordingly!

​@@TiagoCatarinoit's the traction. Those wheels suffer from the lack of the rubber bands their older trains had like emerald night and crocodile had. The train isn't really heavy especially not from the coaches or tender as there's videos out there showing a common freight train pulling all 3 no issues at all to speed or anything. While the engine this train comes with they tried other methods but what showed the answer was when they built a Lego motor into the engine itself. The wheels would have no issues spinning but weren't even able to move at all on the straight track. Instant they put the bands on though it went flying (not derailing but like all issues just went away like that) and had no issues at all after that. So the problem this train has isn't the weight. It's the traction. I'm getting this set and I'm getting some bands from a hardware store or the like since it needs those bands. Which Lego mostly forgot since their old big engines needed these and their pu system needed them and has them but it's not enough for this beast until you put those bands on.