I agree

Indeed

@Fit Body Hacks I don’t think there’s a comparison between watching a film & reading a book. Only one relying solely on our imagination. In fact this comment [YOU ARE READING MY WORDS WITH YOUR IMAGINATION] You can add specific tone, specific aspects... many things that not necessarily real but based on how you wanna respond.

I agree I think that's why she didn't care that Claire was moving in on her husband.

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Yes!

I totally agree!!

Yep!! She was hopping there and back. I believe if she could just hop between with no issue she would. If she was accepted as just part of both communities I think she would have preferred that

Her husband was begging and pleading with her to leave the USA and she couldn’t see where he was coming from for the life of her! She doesn’t have the same black experience that her darker husband and kids do in the USA

@@ShyShyRich true. I feel like see saw being back was choice but that's just not how it is for most people

I know all to well what your saying

Even til today

I thought this was a worldwide known thing already

@@quwandathornton especially today when EVERY BODY IS ATTACKING Black Women

@@Jess-ew3tm it is, it always has been

It did have similar themes 🤔

Oh trust me, you're not the only one

EXACTLY

I don't Know, but the way clare was acting in presence of Irène husband was clearly inapropriate..

I thought they were having an affair as well! Claire and the husband was always talking to each other.

You're not the only one but I think we start to see Irene's perspective getting blurred like even when she goes down the stairs that night and sees them talking they're much closer to each but then you realize from their point of view they aren't that close. little things like that.

There are so many emotions at play. Jealousy is def one. But Claire couldn’t navigate white life confidently or at least not comfortably which is why she was always trying to escape and be with/be Irene. I get the vibe that Claire was a really fun loving person and a seductress. Those two make her irresponsible. She was the let your hair down type. Irene is uptight make sure it’s right. More of a prude and less of a risk taker. Irene was jealous of the love Claire got but somewhat disgusted by it. She decided to lessen her self by marrying a white man and have her call him a nigger everyday. She lacked self-respect. She masked herself everyday unless she was with Irene and her people. Then she wanted to come parading around like the most confident woman. Claire was dangerous Admitting that she would do whatever she wanted to get what she wanted. Irene knew what she was capable of, and Irene knew that Claire wanted her life. Had Claire lived on it was only a matter of time before she replaced Irene. She wanted her husband, her kids, friends, and to be fully black.

i cantttt!! 😭👏🏾 now that im thinking abt it... i agreee.

I do think that Irene pushed her out the window but I don’t think it was intentionally! Ok so hear me out y’all, after Claire’s husband realized that Irene was black and Irene asking Claire what would she do if her husband found out about Claire herself, her husband finally showed up to the party (maybe Irene called him? maybe he was just following his wife 🤷🏽‍♀️ my guess is after the encounter with Irene and the dark skin woman on the street Claire’s husband just put two and two together) Now Irene, Claire and the husband are at the window and if I remember correctly the husband goes to lunge at Claire and Irene puts her hand out to block him from getting to her. I think by her doing that she accidentally made Claire fall out of the window!! maybe she did it subconsciously in attempt to protect her friend. Unfortunately putting her hand out would ultimately be her friends down fall (no pun intended) It was a mix of resentment and pity that played a part in Claire’s death. Resentment because Irene has always had this perception of Claire that she was always well liked, popular and beautiful *wink wink* almost perfect even, that’s been clear even before we see them together in their present. And pity because she knows the truth behind Claire’s pain. Being dissatisfied with being a mother and missing a sense of camaraderie with black people that she can’t have. also I think that Irene was the last person to go downstairs because it took her so long from aftershock to realize what had happened while everyone is sitting there calling it an accident Irene can’t say anything because then she would absolutely 100% get arrested and ofc his white ass (Claire’s husband) would be walking free🤮 he still walked free 🤮🤮

@@sagittariusblack2879 WTH are you talking about ??? Please go away 😭😭😭

@@Lonnielonni right !!!

I totally agree. I think Irene pushed her. I would have too! Especially since Claire made that comment.

@@sagittariusblack2879 Woh! You do know that the Director is a white woman from England who made this her literal life's work for 15 years because she found out the grandfather had passed? I felt a way when I found out she was doing Larsen's book but we can have allies you know?

@@sagittariusblack2879 oh my bad lol

@@sagittariusblack2879 So African s shouldn't talk about AA's why. Because I under stand we don't go through slavery but we do go thorough colonization.

@@sagittariusblack2879 Okay so what about those African’s who are first generation American. Born and raised,. Are these issues not there’s to discuss either, considering that it’s American history, doesn’t that make it their history? There’s layers to this, and the aggression you’re radiating is so intense I can feel it through the screen.

@@likeitsgoldn9200 We are still two distinct groups, and if I went to Africa, and had children there, I would still consider them Ados by blood, and not a true African. This is the reason we are making this distinction, because you can’t come after this nation was built, especially one Gen, and feel like we are one in the same. That’s disrespectful and it’s the same reason why foreign still wave their flags after many generations here

No escape 😂😂. Explain what is a womans #1 role in life, please. A companion right?

@@krazyjnva2up2down55 what

@@krazyjnva2up2down55 independence.

@@Asterix_Angel33 That's not what the christian, catholic , Jewish, Muslim books teach us. It clearly says companion! A womans ONLY reason was to be a companion because it's not good for a man to be lonely.

@@krazyjnva2up2down55 Shut your ass up. Idc what those books tell me. Independence is truly what a woman and frankly everyone sould look for.

yeah she thought she was better than Clare given that she didnt do the passing thing but she used her light skin privilege all the time. she was essentially no different imo

It was blaring like when Irene sat down and the poor Zu cooking and have to run up the stairs and answer the phone she is sitting next to. Or when the husband said .. she does have to spend time with her family as well… this movie was sooo good.. just layers on layers

@@candygurl427 For me it's so many scenes. Like when Irene drops the plant outside the window and Zo had to stop what she's doing to clean it up while Irene did nothing, or telling Zo she had to stop cooking to clean the boys room, or when Zo and Claire were sitting outside talking and laughing and Irene was commanding her to go back inside to work. Look at how Zo subtly ignored her at first. Irene is no different than those white Miss Annes...in that regard she is definitely passing for white but not just in looks.

For Irene... why hide in the shadows and be on edge in the white community, when you can use that same whiteness at be at the undisputed TOP in the black community. But also in the back of here head, maybe it is woth it to be on edge over there than at the top over here. As mixed women, is Irene not also passing as Black.... which is more the modern day passing

Claire in the book was raised by her white side and forced to be their maid so she sympathizes. Irene doesn’t have that experience.

Yes they definitely covered for her because it was a black party and he was the outsider

I thought Clare’s husband pushed her off the balcony because he found out she was cheating on him with black men, Basically trying to pass as black

this is such a great explaination!

Irene did it cuz she ask her what is she going to do once her husband found out she is black .right before he came to the party I think she called him to get rid of her for once. And she was anxious the whole night at the party. What really made me think she did is when she fell from the window she was the last person to leave the room and she stared at her down from the window the scene when she put her hand behind her back and watch her dead body she almost felt relived to me even tho the camera didn’t show her face her hands back bin her back let me know she probably did kill her

It's still people who are passing for White, trust and believe Beings able to pass for White, gives them white privilege J Edgar Hoover the director of FBI was passing for White.

@@mlynettepinky595 Yeah people are still passing as white.. but it's crazy that there are actual whyte people now wanting to pass as mixed black now.. If in 1920 you whould of said that there whould come a time where whyte people willingly wanna pass as mixed black people, they whould call you crazy 😅

@@Onelovekeepcalm they're passing for the views and opportunities online, they probably take off the features when they go outside

@@mlynettepinky595 if you can pass for white, then you are white.

As white women, they are basic. However, when they put on their tan, they get the immense amount privilege light skin women have in the black community, which i guess some prefer.

This is the BEST synopsis of the entire film. Wow‼️‼️‼️‼️

I didn’t think she told him but now since you mentioned it this exactly what might’ve happened because she was on the phone for awhile.

This is exactly what I took away from the film ~ thanks for putting it into words.

Do you not remember the letter that Claire sent to Irene that Irene's husband read to her???? She sounded like a old lover coming in contact with an ex that she still wanted to be with and Irene was not trying to give her the play. Claire said she would go to her post office everyday hoping she'd send her a letter back to the point where everyone thought she was waiting on a man's letter but the man basically ditched her and she was so embarrassed but still kept going until basically it forced her to go find her and Harlem. Irene who doesn't even get sexual with her husband after talking to Claire about how Claire always found her attractive is in bed with her husband talking about how pretty Claire is finally gives him a kiss. Irene in the dance holding of her hand and then Claire extinctively lets it go cuz she doesn't want to get caught. Walking up to Claire to take off her coat and cover her legs and feet. There was QUEER VIBES ALL OVER THIS. Remember Irene told Clara to dance with her husband and even when she saw Claire become flirtatious with him the first time she opted out of going out with them and allowed them to be alone together. She did not want to leave to go out of the country if she felt some type of way she would have left already. She wanted the f*** Claire and Claire would have happily obliged

@@deej5608 you right it is clearly said that they are lesbians...but Irène was so embarassed to see claire flirting with her husband, i'm wondering if clare wanted to take Irène husband or just be with Irène...

I just watched the movie, and read your comment. I agree with you! I think Irene for sure felt some sort of inferiority or insecurity with Clare. Especially since she saw how much her kids and husband loved Clare. She might've felt she would've "taken her life" if she didn't stop her.

I totally agree 💯 I think the way you interpreted this film was very accurate

I think the way you're describing the film is a bit more accurate. I think the nuances and subtleties get misidentified, even ignored, if the viewer comes from a different background.

Oooooooohhhhhh that's a good observation!!! Wow!!!!!

@@missy1e23 I was thinking the exact same thing. The black American experience is unique in many ways.

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You must favor your dad more.

@@sagittariusblack2879 - LOL! Unless there is distant Native American ancestry, as AA’s or A. Latino’s when we do DNA tests the results don’t read ‘USA’ or Brazil, Puerto Rico etc. - it goes straight back to AFRICA! We did not go to the America’s on a gift holiday honey, we are Africans forcibly influenced to take on the cultures of our enslavers, subsequently creating a sub-culture in response. Stop the divide and conquer - we are African x

@@sagittariusblack2879 I have every business talking here, I am talking because I can and I will. My culture? I did not tell you what my culture was and whatever you assumed, no culture is a monolith! Do not be fooled, various parts of the UK or world I’ve been to, I’ve been called a ‘Nigger,’ a ‘Coon,’ and a ‘Wog’ - where was my light skinned privilege then? They see my blackness before anything. I will not split hairs with you, you seem like a very angry and divisive woman. Take care queen

@@sagittariusblack2879 - Snap Chat filters do that darling but yes, I am a black woman with mixed ancestry, how I look does not negate my blackness or what I can and can not speak on. Have a great weekend sis.

Very true.

Was..its common NOW TOO😬

watch the film. Passing is just one part of it and actually not the most important part.

@@Ashley-vs8nu Yes people chose one ethnicity over another nowadays but long-ago it was more of a challenge as society was different then.

@@firstnationfall5451 I actually would say it might have been easier in days gone by. Nowadays people can look up/research virtually anyone with just a click of a button and perhaps a few dollars. Before, people could start lives and CAREERS all over the U.S. It would be nothing for a whole 1st wife to show up to her husband's funeral and shock an entire family who believed he was a dedicated father and pastor of the town. J/s🤷‍♀️ ("papa was a rolling stone" didn't come from no where)

I got to see this!

Right it hit on the topic of unhappiness, jealousy, manipulation

I would definitely like to hear her review of movies

Girl you told it best! There’s no way Irene didn’t have any bad blood towards Claire. I think her reality caught up to her when she realized Claire was dead Bc she pushed her. She was probably crying to save face or maybe Bc she felt guilty.

Everyone in this movie is passing. I think Irene was in love with Clare and that's why she acted so "pushover". She was simping. She was jealous of Clare... not her husband. During the whole film she doesn't show one ounce of love for her husband. I think her plan was the exact opposite. It was to force Clare to come live in Harlem... but it didn't work. Clare took her life.

I think Irene was a pushover because of her addiction. Did Elih touch on that? Maybe I missed it. Irene was already "weak" and took for granted (or was willfully ignorant) the opportunities her skin tone afforded her which was one reason she was so reluctant to have her boys be taught about the real world. I really got the idea she grew up sheltered to all that and never experienced it as bad as her dark skinned counterparts. She flirted with the whole idea of passing while her love interests were firmly planted on opposite sides of the color line

She didn't scream. Anyone who gets pushed especially PUSHED OFF OF A BALCONY would have screamed for their life. She didn't scream which is a good indicator to me that she probably jumped because if her husband wanted to drag her out of that setting no black person would have stopped him, not during those times especially. I think Irene had the hots for Claire and Claire possibly had the hots for her as well but I think Irene liked her more but seeing how she was affecting her life was too much for her to bear so as much as she was sad that she was gone she was probably also realized

This explains it perfectly!! Also the replies offer compelling explanations too! I love how analytical and smart y’all are in this comment section!!! Really pushing my thinking!!

I agree, I just wish they would have made the “cheating” scenes look less like actual cheating actions and more like Irene trying to find a way to distance herself from her lesbian tendencies and more so happening in Irene’s head as opposed to having the movie viewers think that Claire was actually trying to get with Irene’s husband. Because the book doesn’t say that Claire is moving in on Irene’s husband in real life, it says that Irene is just trying to find a way to distance herself from Claire.

@@sagittariusblack2879 🎯🎯🎯

I have the book... I'm going to read it first

Irene wasn't black. She was biracial

Yeah I think the husband put two and two together. He also stated he went to Irene’s house he probably saw the kids and figured it out. The husband was under the impression that Claire hated black people as well so he’s probably like huh wth is going on. I also don’t think that Irene pushed her and I’m with Claire jumping theory.

@@paisleyjones214 yeah no shit paisley, but she's still black

@@paisleyjones214 biracial is not a race

It was funny how the husband just randomly happen to be in that area looking for his wife, reckon Irene called Clare’s household to tip him off.

Irene called him because she was a little jealous of Claire taking up her space.

@@annmariebusu9924 Claire's husband saw her out on the street and he was able to figure it out then Irene went to call and warned her but wasn't able to get in touch with her and then she said forget it to the operator. Only reason why she told the white author about Claire passing is because he's gay and knew her secret would be safe with him because he had his own secrets. Irene is a lot of things but I don't think she had any intentions of exposing Claire that's why she never went back to see her

@@deej5608 i agree, i think the husband followed claire After seeing Irène with a black woman in the street...Irène didn't have to call him, she even tried to warn clare...

that turned me on

😂😂I saw the trailer and picked up on it quick.

@@PHlophe Me too. I was starting to feel things, like hold on Claire...I don't go both ways nah, don't make me 😭😭

That was a straight up love letter. lol

I believe Clare's husband figured it out once he ran into Irene on the street. That scene said a whole lot without having to use many words. It was all downhill from there lol. I also believe she pushed her because of Clare saying she would move to Harlem with Irene if her husband found out. Irene was like nah bitch, not today.

@Danielle W. YESSS this is the only comment I see that mentioned that scene! He definitely put two and two together seeing Irene with a black woman. And his reaction spoke louder than words. Maybe he was just smart enough to draw it back to Claire that she wasn’t who he thought she was either.

I don’t think Irene pushed her if you watch it again, Irene tries to pull her away towards her so her husband doesn’t do anything. However, Clare slowly moves her body to a position where she is able to fall from the window

Yes this is what I’m looking for she pushed her

@@luvvross in that situation you’d put your hand behind the the person and bring them closer but Irene put her arm out across Clare so that caused her to lose balance

The way he was whispering in her ear was so inappropriate

Yeah I did not like their dynamics. When Irene told them to go to the card game together I was like ummmmmm….no sis bad idea.

That shot of them in the mirror from Irene's POV made it seem that they were too close, had me raising my eyebrows too, and even when the camera panned away from the mirror revealing a respectable distance between Claire and Brian, I knew that illusion in the mirror was a setup for something down the line in the movie.

@@TheLilly Im so happy you mentioned that this angle is from IRENE’s perspective because the book implies that all of the “cheating” is not happening in reality, it’s all happening in Irene’s head to give her a reason to distance herself from her lesbian thoughts surrounding Claire.

@@TheLilly Im so happy you mentioned that this angle is from IRENE’s perspective because the book implies that all of the “cheating” is not happening in reality, it’s all happening in Irene’s head to give her a reason to distance herself from her lesbian thoughts surrounding Claire.

Yes! That movie, "Imitations of Life" Both 1934 & 1959 versions, and "Pinky".

@@LoveforMy4C hold up, there were other versions?? I'm fixing to binge watch 👀

Yes! I watched it here on UKposts for free.

@@daniellevaughn4598 same!

@@LoveforMy4C imitations of life, drove me mad. It pissed me off and I didn’t like how that girl treated her mother.

@Barbara Kibira yes I didn’t like that aswell Irene was very much jealous that everyone in her life took a liking to Claire meanwhile she was treating them as less than

Exactly. This movie (like most but especially with non-blk women cast) is OVERHYPED.

I understand and agree with what you’re saying generally but I actually liked Claire’s bubbly personality lol. I didn’t like how irene disrespected her dsbw maid because it was giving colorist and her personality was dry af. Claire was giving superiority complex so that was unlikable too

@@BlackGirlLovesAnime6 Clare sat and spoke to Irene’s maid like a person she made her day and Irene was always rude to her maid, despite having a black husband and children, so I felt a superiority complex coming from Irene, you could argue Clare and Irene were quite similar regardless of their chosen husbands, through societal constructs Clare married a white man for a better life and Irene although married to a black man and around black friends, saw herself as better than working class black people, it’s very subtle but you’ll see it in how she treats the maid and turns a blind eye to the racial attacks as she feels her family is above it and feels her family are immune to it as they are within prestigious circles

@Barbara Kibira yeah I picked up on that too

Same lol

Ima watch again. Y’all bringing out good points.

Definitely! The director said that the films title encompasses both the race aspects and the girls passing for straight

I think that’s why Irene is more nervous…hence the hats and what not. Claire is more white passing. Which is why she could’ve been more jelous with her around her husband as she’s the higher elevated passing. Y’all would be surprised how even in this day ambiguous women get so jealous and competitive with each other cause theyre usually used to being the favoring exotic

I was thinking more of Jennifer Beals, Troian Bellisario, or Rashida Jones.

@@filmsuga92 yeah, the actresses here are too black to pass, I agree.

Yes

Can confirm, being white does not a happy person make.

Your right the move was boring and sad. You should watch the Imitation of Life. It's 2 versions, the one with Mahalia Jackson is the best one, It's in color, the other version is in black and white Its on peacock streaming service for free. It's a movie about a young girl who wasn't happy, who wasn't comfortable in her own skin. She was ashamed of being Black. She was ashamed of her Black mother, who was a house keeper. She would pretend that her mother's boss was her mother. The movie never tells who they father is, timeline year is in the 1950's or 60's So it isn't like slavery time, when we know what would have happened. Slave owners would rape Black female slaves and they had slave owners children. The movie Imitation of life has a lesson at the end, of it. It won't have you wondering what happened, like the end of this movie did. Wondering who push her or did she really jump? It will make you appreciate your loved ones, especially mom. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cWNoZoaBh6OHjok.html People passing for White, some people did it for other reasons, not because they hated their race, their skin. You should read Pudd'n Head Wilson by Mark Twain. It's a movie too, from the 80s but it is hard to find. Pudd'n Head Wilson is about a Black mother who had her child pass for White, switch at birth for a better life for him. She didn't want him to suffer and go through what she went through. A lot of people pass for White for a lot of reasons. For money and opportunities. Some people where told by Hollywood and people in charge to pass for White or another race. Romare Bearden was told by baseball owners to lie and say he was White. He told them he was not ashamed of being Black and he turned down major leagues. Lena Horne said she was told by Hollywood to say she was Hispanic, because she was light skinned, she could pass for Hispanic. They didn't want a Black woman starring in their movies, especially been seen in the Southern States. She said she was not going to lie and was proud to be Black✊🏽 Before and after slavery people would pass for White. After slavery during Jim Crow, Whites passed laws that would not allow Blacks to have sex or marry Whites, like the boxer Jack Johnson did. He married several White women and law was passed in 1910 because of him. They made up a law just because he was a Black man having sex with a lot of White women and marrying them, called The Mann Act, White Slave Traffic Act in 1910. Which was just a way to stop him, stop interracial relationships in America and put him in prison Passing for White meant people could marry a White person, have better opportunities, better jobs, school, be able to go into a hospitals and etc J Edgar Hoover for example, who was passing for White. They would have never let a Black man in the 1950's and 60's become the director of the FBI. People would be surprised on how many people where passing for White Celebrities have went on Finding our Roots with Henry Gates and found out they had Black ancestors who where passing for White. Ty Burrell from tv show Modern Family, said he heard rumors from family that he had a great, great grandmother who was Black. Johnny Cash daughter Rosanne found out she was related to Angela Bassett ukposts.info/have/v-deo/qqGioKSEqYtzxqM.html Gates did a DNA test and research both Rosanne Cash parents had Black blood, African Sahara. Johnny Cash first wife had features of a Black woman. People accused Johnny Cash of marrying a mulatto woman, called him a N*gg lover. Cash's wife wasn't biracial, but her grandma or great grandmother was Black and passing. Rosanne Cash great great grandma tried to hide the fact she was Black, and it still showed up generations later, with Rosanne Cash mom having features of a Black woman. With DNA people can't hide or lie about being Black, having Black or African blood. There are people today, who are passing for White. Thinking no one will know. Genes won't hide and DNA wont lie. Sad, but people still passing , because they are ashamed of being Black or don't want to have to deal with systematic racism. They know White privilege still exist and benefiting from it. The more things change the more they stay the same .

what were you expecting? it's literally called passing, it's a story of so many of our ancestors

The world is mental, happiness is something you have to find for yourself.. All other races feel wyte is right because they choose to.. From dealing with them they just as miserable as everyone else.. And twice as evil... People need to learn to love themselves as God made them....

True Blood got ridiculous towards the end 🤦‍♀️

he has become the go to bad guy. he needs t pick different roles

Lol it's funny because he plays Tessa Thompson's love interest in the movie War on Everyone. Alexander is a good actor loved him on Generation Kill.

Yep he is 😍

Thank you. I don’t think it was intentional, I believe she was trying to protect her. I also believe that Irene didn’t tell Claire’s husband but Claire left clues for him to find out because she wanted out. Mr. Bellew made the final connection when he saw Irene in the street. I know everyone is saying they were getting lesbian vibes, but I saw their interaction as two women both in awe of each other, secretly longing for what the other had.

@@Quiche1 I agree I don’t think they are lesbians but Deff want what the other has.

Thats what I thought in the beginning but then when I saw the way her hand moved back and then crossed behind her, it didnt indicate shock or sadness but rather a villain moment, a calculated move. It’s like a villain looking down the window with his hands casually behind his back.

@@megrocks3026 🤔 I will have to go rewatch the scene

@@Quiche1 It was a whole scene with just her hands so I think it was intended that we analyze it.

I was looking for this comment. I don’t think many people have read the book which is actually very good!

The guests were saying the husband didn't push her. So either she killed herself or Irene did it. Or it was a mixture of both . Her putting up her arm may have made her fall.

@@ashasun6620 I thought the guests were lying for the white husband because of how the dynamics were back then and how much trouble they might get in for snitching on a wm

@@BlackGirlLovesAnime6 I guess we'll never know, because if they would have said yeah he pushed her, then what? Tell him to go home or would he have been arrested and not found guilty.

I wanted to see more of their pasts as well like why was there so much animosity Claire was so happy to rekindle her friendship with Irene but Irene was skeptical

You don’t know why? Probably because she had African ancestry and could have “passed for white” more convincingly than the actress who played Clare.

@@symphonyjohnson1570 Yeah, I guess that's why.

@@symphonyjohnson1570 💯

@@symphonyjohnson1570 Rashida is white

The two Jones sisters would have been a perfect fit.

Interesting enough, the director of this movie Rebecca Hall is a white passing woman herself. Her mother was a biracial singer, so I guess she picked the actresses because they looked racially ambiguous, specifically Ruth Negga who played Claire.

Yes your right im dark skin so is my sister and mother. On my mothers side all my family look like they could pass or look very similar to claire with colored eyes and light colored hair. Growing up people would see my grandmother and ask "is she my real grandmother" my mother said she got that alot as well. So yes to me it was hard to wrap my mind around people believing she was white in the movie🤷

@@syria0110 If her mom is mixed, is her dad white or Black ? Because it would mean that she is white if her dad is white.

@@hanaviolet8103 Her dad is white, but her mom looks albino almost. Her name is Maria Ewing.

@@syria0110 I just googled Maria Ewing , from what I'm seeing she is mixed so I guess I will consider Rebecca Hall a white woman 🤷🏿‍♀️

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Great commentary.

@@googlea2692 White people have done a number on many new non whites across the globe dear not only in America. How one looks or is perceived does not necessarily denote their culture. The woman portrayed moves from one dynamic to another. Black Americans long ago transitioned in earlier times between these dynamics. This movie is about a dynamic that took place in America. This is the confusion you get when everyone else interprets another's history or culture.

@@googlea2692 Maybe you’re not American so you will find it hard if not impossible to understand my comment (which takes nothing away from other cultures who have experienced colonialism. I try to stay in my lane). There are a profusion of things that are a part of American culture that I do not participate in… it doesn’t make me any less American. Now when it comes to American subcultures you’ll find many nuances. For example, in black American culture we grow up knowing about, and living with the multi-colored people in our family. We understand that “black” in America has less to do with actual color and more to do with status. It was no surprise to us when it was “revealed” that Thomas Jefferson had black children with an enslaved woman. In fact, we were shocked that “white” Americans were shocked. We thought they knew what we knew. They didn’t know. Well most of them. Within the “black” American culture it is common knowledge that we all probably have “white” great great… grandfathers in our ancestry who were enslavers (Frederick Douglass was owned by his “white” enslaver father.) We all have stories told to us by our elders about family members who went on to “pass” and were never seen again, or who got caught and paid the price. We know about, talk about and watch old movies that are about how “black” American families dealt with this phenomenon. Part of our culture is our stories, our experiences. This includes the ugly parts. Many “white” Americans and other peoples of immigrant backgrounds are clueless about “black” American culture beyond stereotypes and what they see on the screen. So they have no say in what is and what is not a part of “black” American culture.

Same my great great grandmother gave her kids away to Black pastors to live a passing lifestyle.

@@googlea2692 1. It’s okay to disagree. 2. I never said subcultures are not one’s culture. 3. The United States categorizes people. There is mainstream culture (ie. white culture) and there are subcultures; usually, but not always, involving a hyphen of some sort (ie. African-American, Asian-American, Latin-American etc.) so what I meant by subcultures is cultures that are not seen as part of “mainstream” American culture. I hope that was clear enough. 4. Depending on the generation you’re dealing with there are quite a few black people who ignorant when it comes to “black” American history. I was raised by parents who were born just before desegregation so I was educated by parents who hadn’t been fully indoctrinated with a bunch of miseducation and hadn’t been fully disconnected from their true roots. I say that to say I’m not surprised by what you said about people being ignorant of the deep deep levels of colorism etc. in Louisiana and it’s layered history. But I’m talking about what my family experienced and our stories, our culture on the East side (as I’m sure you know black people are not a monolith). I speak from experience and researched knowledge. There are so many books and articles I could list for you if you were interested in expanding your worldview, but I don’t have time and I get the feeling that you are comfortable with the POV you already have even if it is a bit myopic, so I’d be wasting my time. I respect that. I do not negate your experience, be you white American or something else and won’t let negate mine. We still mourn the loss of our relatives who chose to leave us and pass for white (of course white people don’t talk about it being their culture for obvious reasons I don’t have the patience to recount) I will leave you with one book you may or may not find of interest: “Caste” by Isabel Wilkerson. Have a great life 😊

Dang, I didn't even know there was a book! Heck, I might read it, still. Once the film isn't so fresh in my mind lol

@Alexandria Rey bet. I'll read it eventually 😁

Thank you! Some of the reasons I’ve heard people say they didn’t like the movie can really be traced back to the fact that they haven’t read the book. I wasn’t a fan of the film’s ending. I thought the ending was much more ambiguous in the book and I appreciated that.

I like the book better.

@@sidneyjones8008 Thank you for sharing your thoughts, glad you've read the book. 😀📚

This!!!!

Oooohhhh that’s *goood* ! I can dig that theory about the phone call because even with all the b.s., Irenes instinct is to protect, so as upset as she was it would seem out of her character to be intentionally vile in any way. Even with the “fall” I’m glad we mostly agree that Irenes involvement was some form of protection from alternate consequences. …..I thought they were bout to get it iiin too 😂 or *plot twist* run away together, travel Europe or another country they talked about it so damn much 😭

@@zeeb116 omg. GREAT POINT!!! I love that you mentioned that she had that protective side too! She absolutely did!!! So when it's put that way and you see Irene put her hand out in front of Claire when Claire's husband lunged towards her, that makes me think even MORE thar Claire jumped on her own. I read another theory that Claire knew with her husband finding out that her credibility would be blemished in both communities so it was easy for her to end it all. Also, if you notice at the end, Claire is eerily calm when her husband is at the door. She even asks for her drink and positions herself by the window and beside Irene. I think the constant symbolism in this film of things falling and breaking is foreshadoment of how Irene feels inside. Broken..shattered. you see it in the beginning with the guy laid out on the ground, you see it when Claire is there and flower pot falls and shatters to the ground, you see it at the get together when Irene breaks the teapot, EVEN at the party when Irene steps to the window to smoke and she flicks some of her cigarette towards the ground. A fall is always taking place throughout the film. I love that theory too that they would possibly run away together!! I never thought of that!! 😁😁

@@Preciious2008 this!!! That falling symbolism is it, I just kept being annoyed at that flower pot 😂

I sensed the same thing at first…figured they’d been intimate in the past.

Yes

I agree

I'm saying she looked like she was about to snitch on her ass

@@Nathan-yq8en yes that’s what I thought it was I thought she was going to start screaming ‘blackie’

Go read the book you will find clarity there