I'm working in a company that makes things that are not designed to fail at some point

​@@Scudmaster11ok 👍

DJL projector bulbs (and likely some others) have a filament in series with the main filament, which is located behind the reflector making its light output useless. The extra filament doesn't get nearly as hot as the main one, and I suspect its intention is to limit peak current. If a bulb of that style (using numbers which are probably nowhere near those of the actual DJL bulb) if the main filament has a resistance of 0.1 ohm when cold and 1.0 ohm when hot, and the other filament has a resistance of 0.4 ohm when cold and 0.5ohm when hot, then the light output would be about what it would be if the main filament had been 0.2 ohm when cold and 2 ohms when hot, but the inrush current would be only 40% as great.

Having lived in Phoenix, where my light bulbs lasted 11 years, I learned that Mexico runs on 130v, and the bulbs in my house were 130v bulbs from just over the border. So, when the bulbs in my Maine house were being changed 6 or 7 times a year, I ordered some "Mexican" bulbs from Amazon. Only one needed changing this past year. I fully embrace your hypothesis.

Can you make a video on refigerantion compressors?

Many things these days are being pushed onto people so one sidedly biased. Like how everything were blamed into communism back then, everything are blamed onto capitalism these days. People just love simple and short conclusion to things. One misleading online article would easily misguide the entire world for decades to come. The only way to fight it is for each individual people to change themselves into adopting critical thinking, otherwise only dictatorship would works.

German author Marc-Uwe Kling had a fitting quote in QualityLand 2.0, roughly translated: "If you ever have the feeling that everything makes sense, you probably fell for a conspiracy theory. Let's be honest: you can say a lot about life on this planet, but surely not that it makes sense. Commonly, the search for sense is what humans are programmed to do. A conspiracy theory is a fishing rod for humans with a bait made out of false sense."

and yet, Occam's Razor states the simplest solution is often the correct one, and I've seen it proven time and again in my decades on this planet.

@@DeadBaron That's the popular interpretation of Occam's razer not what it truly says.

@@CraftyF0X wdym?

Seriously, this gives me hope for civilization.

I had a meeting at work where someone mentioned TC, half the people already liked the channel and the other half said it sounded interesting and they'd check it out

Yes

I was here around 500k and ill be here till the day I die. I love learning new things from him!

thanks

Ah, the floor is made out of floor! :)

@@m0llux Indeed! ;D

To be fair science can either name something Obvious-McObvious face or Obscure-YouWouldNeverGuessium So I’ll take the W when we get it

Keyboards are keys in a board.

Technically they are LER, Light Emitting Resistors.

Very quickly -- when you pinch it you engage a load resistor that puts a considerable load on the battery and heats up starting from one end. It's designed so that only a fresh battery can get it to heat up from one end to the other. It's covered by a liquid crystal thermometer that registers the temperature change by changing color.

​@@dbeierlso it's like an adhesive aquarium thermometer that activates when you complete the circuit with enough power left to warm up?

@@maiabones yes.

@@dbeierl and the design that allows only a fresh battery to be able to heat the entire strip is a simple V taper on the printed metal strip wire behind the LC. The thin narrow part has high resistivity and is easier to heat up than the wider low resistance part at the top. Of course, one can also simply drop an AA battery on a table to find out whether it's still "full" or not.

​@@Muonium1- Those thermal power meter strips have all but disappeared nowadays for some reason. The "table drop" is not the most accurate way to determine the capacity of batteries, best to use a cheap battery or multi meter.

Yup, it was used as a nightlight/emergency light before they realized its longevity was probably some kind of record. So even then it was rarely ever turned off. Since then, it's only _intentionally_ been turned off when the department moved it to a new fire station. And it's had its own dedicated UPS to keep it on through power outages. (Though it did turn off by accident once when its UPS was faulty. 😜)

In addition to which, I believe it is powered on DC. AC powered bulbs do experience some small degree of thermal cycling due to the constant reversal of current. They don't get 'cold', per se, but the fluctuation in light output IS demonstrable, and that means the filament is experiencing a 60 hz thermal fluctuation as well. DC does not have this; so the bulb got hot and STAYS hot. Demonstrable how? If you have a turntable, you'll know that the speed of those things is calibrated using an optical strobe disc - which DOES work with AC-driven incandescent lights. Also, you can actually hook a pair of head phones up to a solar panel under an an AC driven incandescent bulb and hear the 60 cycle hum.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was running with less current as well lower the current a little and the brightness and heat goes way down, and the lifespan rockets up exponentially.

I use incandescent lights as heaters in my outside dog house. I wired the bulbs in series and I've had the same pair running for about 10 years now. Definitely last a lot longer.

@@2ndfloorsongs Heating technology is 100% efficient, eventually.

Just remember the only proper example of a monopoly we have is the government. Use that instead.

​@@johngaltline9933curious about what your point is here. mind explaining?

​@@johngaltline9933lol, there are hundreds of goverments

Veritasium on life support after this video

@@ethanpeters3047seems like it’s anti communist maybe?

Switching to 12V onrs is even better. ROHS hates high temperatures. Dividing power supply and light source lowers temperature on those joins, that causes most of lamp deaths.

Oh no, playludesc, you're going against the idea of the OP. Why have long lived bulbs that don't fill up landfills faster? I don't mind innovation, i'm not afraid of it, and I don't think that just because I know more about material science or electronics that I can argue logistics/markets/waste. This planned obsolescence obscenity is leaking back into cars (techy cars impossible to repair), PC's/phones, etc. Lovely to see that we're all accepting of that... wondering what happens when that leaks into healthcare and some material shortage literally kills a lot of people (think pharma just shutting off and a lot of people dying, not just the old, many different ages). Maybe we should build things that last

​@@krzysztofwaleskaFrom what I understand the issue is the heat in the LEDs themselves - sealed fixtures cause further problems primarily by decreasing the efficiency of the heatsink. The big thing to look out for with LEDs (and admittedly this isn't really feasible in practice) is how hard the diodes are being driven. Unlike incandescent bulbs, LED don't rely on heat to make light so running them more gently can *substantially* increase their lifespans without a substantial decrease in efficiency. That's a big part of what Alec called out from BigClive's videos - he frequently features cheap LED bulbs and tears them down to both assess their efficiency and to show how to hardmod them to last longer at the expense of being a bit dimmer.

The problem is the circuit boards burn out on the led bulbs the actual leds would last very long

@@peanutbutterisfu The solid copper strips the circuit boards are made of are not the failure point, otherwise all electronics would fail in similar ways

zerg rush

And everything perfectly subbed 👌

Nice Profile pic brother.

Just use Brave. It has built in ad blockers that Google/YT can't get around. I haven't seen an embedded ad in a video in a LONG time.

Do you work for free? Pay for UKposts premium ti support those people

He substitutes that with Patreon membership. There's 6975 members there now with minimum 1$ per month subscription. Since he rarely uploads the video (due to its quality). I can say he may have enough income to compensate that. Don't expect it to be norm for another channel since it is extremely hard to replicate.

​@@myaccount__7269People like you that use mental gymnastics to justify making the human to technology relationship in a state that puts the technology in a position of master over the human, as it literally counts the user down, before restoring control of their devise to the user, makes my blood run cold. 😮 It makes me dream of a world where I could rig up an ad screen to your everyday technology needs. For example... your toilet so that you couldn't flush until the ad had finished playing. 😂 Then I think you would get an attitude change real quick.

@@The_One-Eyed_Man4246 what the hell are you talking about. Lay off the drugs . I’m saying if you use UKposts premium the ppl you watch get a cut of $ which is higher than their ad pay. Just becuase you don’t understand this new thing called the internet doesn’t mean no one else does.

and you get thematic jazz music at the end.

He has a lot of the same of the same appeal of How It’s Made, but with a more personal approach. Instead of a disembodied narrator, we have this guy talking to us. I like this approach better, although maybe the B roll of that show would be helpful for this one

​@@Thermalions it sounds like the end of a PBS show. Or like Bob Ross.

@@GeebusCrust If you turn on the subtitles, in almost all the main channel videos he describes the jazz music at the end in terms thematically matched to the subject matter.

​@@Thermalionsholy- That's genius

Absolutely correct.

True, but the more efficient LED bulbs will last longer, even in inappropriate fixtures, simply because they waste less energy as heat and are therefore less likely to overheat.

@@gubx42 yes, led bulbs that produce less heat are less prone to overheating. It also matters where in the bulb the heat is produced.

IKEAs LED bulbs are dirt cheap, last forever and never get any more than lukewarm even in enclosed spaces.

As stated in the video, quite a few are overdriven. I've had some in perfectly vented, open fixtures and yet they burned out in under half a year. Typically lamps that are meant to replace halogen bulbs. Small form factors where the diodes grill the electronics because they are in very close proximity as the lamp can't physically be bigger. One desk lamp I had was suspiciously hot on the brightest level and surely burned out quickly after a few months (custom LEDs not meant to be changed - so... in a well designed enclosure (?)). Bought a different one, but as it turned out electronically quite identical. Toasty on max brightness, but much cooler one level down. Almost the same output in light but astonishingly less hot. It's now running perfectly fine with daily use after 4+ years. Edit: Forgot to mention that for double the perceived brightness you need to quadruple the power (= quadruple the heat) iirc. So a little less bright can go a long way.

Oh hey that's really cool!! Thank you for asking him - and thank you for supporting him on there!!! (From someone who can't afford to, but recommends his videos, and lets all the ads play, even on later repeat viewings. Love this guy!)

@@becauseimafanit is isn’t it ? That’s something he hinted at a while ago and it was driving me crazy because he was literally the only one on the entire internet who didn’t say "it’s an evil conspiracy" and I wanted to learn more so bad. I’m very happy there’s one video about that on UKposts now

Well the better light spectrum was a coincidence not an aim of the planned obsolescence. Therefore I don't really see how this could be an excuse. Yes it's brighter but this was not the intention. It was to make it burn faster. Therefore using it as an example is still valid.

We use the same effect to coat stuff in thin layers of metal - evaporative physical vapor deposition.

Honestly same! Super interesting tidbit

My parents brought over a 240V chandelier from Europe in 1970. My brother has it and it still works on 120V here in Canada. It's perpetually a dim orange over the dining table but looks nice enough. So yeah, 50 years with the same bulbs. Grossly inefficient of course but so what. Now, I have a cute Swedish Christmas candelabra that uses seven hard-to-find bulbs in series, each rated for 17V or something. I got sick of having to find the busted bulb every xmas and hunt down expensive replacements, so after some math I wired in a suitable resistor with a heatsink in series. Now they are dimmer but don't die. Sure they dump a lot of heat, but in mid winter who cares? They're inside and warming the house.

@@lakse123 You could use a standard incandescent dimmer, wired to a receptacle to achieve the dimming with less heat loss (I can appreciate the heat benefit here).

There were coin shaped diodes that dropped into the socket before you screwed in the light bulb. The bulb was redder, but not significantly so. Extended bulb life, at the cost of lumen per watt.

In some industrial applications, many times ago, there was some 380V light bulb running intentionally at 230v and they last over 50 years. I saw them with my own eyes working until a few years ago and they were installed in the 60s. They turned on and off several times a minute (they were signal light bulbs)

@@AZaksLife Running at a lower voltage, means the filament runs cooler. Reducing temperature by 10C, doubles the life. I'm not surprised these never failed, even being turned on and off. Turning on, when the filament is cold and has a lower resistance, is the highest stress.

"My candle burns at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah my foes and my ohfriends, it gives a lovely light." A little poem my mother taught me ages ago. :)

@@mikefochtman7164 How would the logistics of a dual burning candle work? A straight candle attached at the middle whose wax falls into a drip tray (which needs to be cleaned often)? A U-shaped candle?

"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long"

@@deus_ex_machina_ LOL.... it's a poem for goodness sake. You MUST be an engineer! lol Okay, take a tall narrow one, warm it in the middle so you can bend it into a U shape. Enjoy.

@@mikefochtman7164 I also went through the sideways candle and the U-shaped one in my head before I read their comment. (Though I didn't come up with the drip tray, that actually makes me prefer the sideways one.)

@@tripplefives1402 I was not allowed to break things as a child. Extremely strict and controlling parents. It’s had a negative impact on my adult life…

​@@sjgrall NO kid should be allowed to break stuff. Most kids do it anyway because kids are stupid.

@@tripplefives1402 hope you're happy, you've made an internet stranger reflect on their trauma

@@sjgrall Get out and break some stuff dude! Making it work again is how I learned; not with glass so much.

i saw it, accidentally. i had a lightbulb that the glass had broken and i turned it on and it popped.

Mains voltage halogens weren't as good as made out. I replaced a ten+ years old normal bulb with a mains halogen one in an outside lamp and it failed after less than a year. I recently bough, mainly as a historic curiosity a Philips bulb that has a low voltage halogen capsule and a transformer between it and and the base. 40W of life from 20W and supposedly a longer life. Car bulbs seem to be the pinnacle of incandescent life. Even the headlights seem to last about 5 years.

@@MrDuncl yeah outside lamps are a special case, depending on temperature and exposure to e.g. rain, a halogen lamp will fail fast. Even slight fluctuations in the supply-voltage (1V is enough) can kill it. That's why most halogen lamps are 12V, since the AC-DC converter prevents these fluctuations.

@@MrDuncl Car bulbs last a long time because of the lower voltage. To achieve the same power output from a low voltage the filament resistance needs to be lower. For example a 12v 55w bulb resistance at operating temperature is ~2.7 ohms. A 120v 55w bulb has ~260 ohms. This lower resistance is achieved with thicker shorter filament which is far more mechanically robust than a long thin one.

​@@petarmiletic997did you know that the working voltage of cars are about 14V? The car battery can reach 13V when Fully charged. Car lamps are well designed! They are filled with hallogen to reduce evaporation and create a auto healing effect. Most times they are made out of quartz and not glass. They also have a better filament support, because it needs to withstand vibrations. The 1000h limit is a bad thing! They could have limited the efficiency, but they prefer to limit lifetime. This is a simple excuse to limit lifetime.

@@VitorFM True, but the nominal voltage of the bulbs is 12 volts. At 13 or 14 volts the power will be slightly higher than nominal. Most modern cars will start to PWM the bulb once voltage exceeds 13v to extend bulb life. Also usually only headlight bulbs are halogen. All other (turn signal, position, brake etc) are normal incandescent. But allthat is not really relevant because All else being equal - for a given wattage the filament of the bulb will be thicker and shorter for lower voltage, and thus mechanically stronger.

100% correct. When the filament is cold, it has much less resistance than when it is hot and glowing. This initially excessive current draw is called "inrush current" and it is very detremental to both vacuum tubes and their cousin the incandescent lightbulb. Most incandescent bulbs die when they are switched on due to the inrush current. Additionally (not covered in the video) is the alternating magnetic field of the filiment and how it actually vibrates against the static magnetic field of the Earth. This oscillatory vibration accellerates the decay of the filament and shortens the lifespan. If you can run the bulb at the same volts/amps but in DC, you will gain longevity.

Wasn’t that in another video on this very channel? Or am I having deja vu

If that was rhe main reason, we'd have a lot more 100 year old bulbs, but thr primary reason it's lived this long is simply because it runs so cool and low power. It's a well known factor in lifespan of incandescent and halogen bulbs. You can buy even for halogen headlights the ultra bright ones that last about 100hrs, or the dingy cheap ones that last 500-1000hrs, or something in between.

​@@Jaker788the centennial bulb used to be brighter

@@truthhurts2149 Well even if it was, something caused it to be less bright

Ditto :)

when he looked at the camera as he said "degrees", he knew exactly what he was doing 🤣

I had to pause to see if the comments where exploding lol

Check the captions for that line! 😸 This channel always has great captions with neat Easter eggs that I usually forget to turn on until the end, but I'm temporarily mostly-deaf in one ear thanks to a rather painful infection and that reminded me to turn them on this time :) (Trying to find the silver lining of this bloody thing that's been stopping me sleeping lol)

@@AndrewGillard I totally forgot about caption easter eggs! I love when a creator adds their own captions, and doubly love when they add easter eggs. Tom Scott does the same, too. And hopefully the infection goes away soon. Do you know what caused it? Do you get them often, and if so, do you have a fix? I'm asking because I had a friend who would get them quite often when he was younger.

Ha, I did twitch a little when he said that. :D

Exactly! Good point, that (at least for me) still makes the cartel bad. On top of that, why didn't they put a minimum limit on efficiency instead of capping the intended life? I know it was done to increase efficiency of lighbulbs, but it seems suspiciously benefiting to the companies. One could just decrease the quality of the filament, making it last less and still have a bad efficiency, and it would still be compliant to the 1000hr max. So for me even with this explanation, the cartel is still the 100% bad guy.

@@arthurdefreitaseprecht2648 there is no cartel. Cheap led bulbs are just penny pinched designs mostly from no-name brands. Long lived led bulbs exists, as most early adopters got ones and nowadays brands like Phillips still produce them with even better efficiency.

​@@PainterVieraxI have only my personal experience to go by. After a few "High end", $10 a piece, bulbs died in less than a year, I have stuck to the $1 - $2 a piece ones without any noticeable drop in life span.

@@PainterVierax Why are Dubai bulbs not available worldwide?

@@PainterVierax even Philips maxed out the LED rating because they follow what's the market demanded. cheaper lamp. this is the reason why Dubai lamp exists and they were forced to make it that way because UAE wanted a real efficient and long lasting bulbs.

I just got the mental image of a lightbulb and an attendant muffin fan.

i mean, you can overvolt anything at least once

Well it's the most analogue circuit there's nothing to blow except the bulb itself.

The lamp becomes a fuse... or the lamp IS a light-emitting fuse

Very popular thing that was done using autotransformers to overvolt lightbulbs, when nothing comparable was available to amateur filmmaking. But life of that bulbs was 10-30 hours. Old times.

i dont think this guy has made a single video that i watched in full and regretted my time in doing so.

Conscious thought is always well worth the effort. It becomes easier with practice, too.

Except capitalism IS all about money and greed. You can't really frame it any other way.

Sure, a corporation is not a human being with human values. Neither is a tunnel boring machine or a political party. Keeping this in mind we can steer such dumb machines for our purposes.

And yet somehow I've never heard of a projector light bulb burning out in the middle of a movie.

In Professional Theaters you have xenon arc lamps, a highly specialized type of gas discharge lamp. They made a very bright light of 6.000 Kelvin, light daylight. They where introduced around 1954. Lifetime is 3500-4000 hours. Other Xenon lamps with no specific colour for other uses have a lifespan of 1500 hours.

@@Merrsharr It happened occasionally, but there were procedures put in place to significantly reduce this - I've been in the odd film when "the projector failed" - and this is most likely going to be the bulb. The primary consideration is that most bulbs tend to fail when turned on, not when running and this meant that the failure happened at the beginning of the movie and required a relatively quick and simple replacement as long as the bulb wasn't too hot. From memory, from talking to a projectionist, they recorded the life of the bulb and replaced them before they blew. When the manufacturing is consistent enough, the expected duration of a bulb was a reasonably predicted duration.

@@Merrsharr The concept of preparing carefully has existed before you were born.

@@Merrsharr Many projectors also had a very nice slide mechanism, where you had a second lamp and optical block there, that you simply slid into place to replace the failed lamp, and then had a few hours to allow it to cool down to be able to change it, and clean the optical assembly, as you would find then very dirty from contaminants in the air blown in to cool them.

Thats pretty sweet, would not happen in that way in Germany, sadly.

I got a box of fifty LED bulbs from my electric company. They do just give them away in places.

​@@bgeeryso user too?

​@@bgeerythey've found that it's more cost effective to get customers to use more efficient bulbs than to build a new power plant.

​@@AngryAmericanWizard It feels fundamentally manipulative to market "rationing" as a "feature" though. I'm all for "efficiency" but not when their approach to efficiency is "I'm going to give you less and convince you it's more." That and trusting a single party that has all of the power to make that decision without having a compromise with the other party (the client, the citizen) present seems like a bad idea.

Floppy drives definately got worse in the 90s and early 00s, I don't know if it was planned obsolescence as such though, there was a huge race to the bottom in terms of pc price, at the same time as pc tech was advancing faster than ever before, a lot of manufacturers probably didn't expect their machines to be in use for more than a couple of years, I remember manufacturers advertising on the basis of "power" "performance" "price" and bundled software, but I never saw anyone mention reliability as a major selling point (at least in consumer machines, servers and industrial stuff did emphasise reliability, and their prices reflected that)

Don't attribute to malice that which may more easily be explained by incompetence or stupidity. Or more likely in this instance if they made that bit thicker it would warp coming out of the injection mould or some other random something. Or it was just a simple oversight, it worked a few hundred times in testing so it's probably fine right? Planned means somebody sat down and intentionally did it to break after a certain time. That's actually quite hard to do. Making a 10,000 hour light bulb is much easier than a 1000 bulb, much looser tolerances.

You could probably 3d print replacement parts depending on their size and tolerance…

finding bulbs for easy bake ovens that still cook the same would be a light hearted but equally difficult challenge.

That's interesting for me because I am working on a project that uses nir spectrometers that have two tiny incandescent bulbs as ir sources with as far as I can see no way of changing them.... I guess I hope that they outlast the rest of the sensor....

You didn't work for X-Rite or GretagMacbeth, eh? :)

xkcd 1172 is real

Seems like a joke or maybe misunderstanding of xkcd1172 by @skayakitty625 or @jeremiahrex, since in my opinion @jeremiahrex is showing a point that the long life bulbs were not just better for his product to exist as a useful tool for long term lab use but also good for reliable long term results (being forced to readjusting the chromatograph every 4 months would change long term results). Yes the origin company stopped selling the long term bulbs, but infinite profit isn't the desire in our world, we want to live long and want our ideas and infrastructure to live long, but yet we're going to sell our people garbage to fill landfills. Thinking of @somemorenews recnet right to repair video.

I've read that was fairly common in the Soviet Union too, since lightbulbs could be difficult to find in stores

That's next level.

@@GerardMenvussa Yes, but funny theft because it was clever. Everyone thinks of stealing the toilet paper, but not the light bulbs.

Probably no cameras in those days?

We had a lava lamp at work that used the same light bulbs as the refrigerators in the break room. When the bulb in the lava lamp died, we'd have a 'mission' to swap it out with one from the fridge, then call facilities to come replace the burned out fridge bulb.

wire bulbs started to piss me off so much that i've switched to hydrargyrum bulbs the moment they went for skeuomorphic designs to fit into old sockets i was very happy

Excellent, now you dont need to buy any. Forward planning pasy off. I bought a ton of CFL's when LED was coming out and all the shops were selling the CFL's off cheap! Still using them to this day. I have 1 LED lamp simply because the warm up time for a CFL is too slow for that particular location in the house. You'd be shocked how many people I know are still buying HALOGEN bulbs!!!

@@dlarge6502 buy what fits your sockets I NEED PL13 CFL lamps as that is what my house (mostly) uses and I dont want to rip out EVERY fixture to replace them with LED so I am NOW buying every PL13 lamp I find as they are banned next year for sale in my country )-:

@@dlarge6502 and then you have to walk 500 metres and back to the government disposal centre every time one goes out

​@@tsartomatoor leave it in a drawer in the bedroom until it accidentally gets broken. A little mercury vapor never hurt anyone, right?!

That felt personal 😂

So why can't I get 'Dubai' LED lightbulbs like they sell in the UAE?

​@@geo8rge because the revival of the cartel. Today there is no positive side in shortening the lifespan of led lights. In fact the lower the current the led is driven at the HIGHER the efficiency AND lifespan. the curtent cartel is all about cost savings (higher current per led chip eeks out more light per chip /less chips per bulb needed) and selling more of them (the higher current runs the bulb hotter which in return shortens the lifespan significantly - a gamer would call that a double kill) In other words today you change the stupidly engineered 1000h led for 8x the cost of an incandesant bulb at about a third the energy cost. Thats a win for the manufacturer - not the consumer !!!

@@casemodder89 I agree. Especially cheap Chinese led lights tend to over drive the LEDs. If you can tinker with them, they’ll last ‘forever’.

@@geo8rge Because they would cost more to produce, but everyone would still reach for the cheaper option that outputs the same lumens anyway... Sometimes it's the consumer's fault.

@@casemodder89 There is no cartel anymore. Those are just cheap LEDs bulbs engineered with too much cost-cutting measures. On the other side, well designed led bulbs still exists on reputable brands like Phillips. They are just more expensive.

It really saved the energy for 30 years by not burning.

😊

That sounds like a compact fluorescent - they're the only bulbs that need to "warm up" to produce the full light output - well, other than high pressure sodium, or other HID bulbs, which I don't think you have inside your house.

​@@gorak9000 buddy, what do you think "incandescent" means? Here's a hint, it doesn't mean "cold". Some types of filament-incandescent lights reduce wear on the filament by heating it up slowly.

​@@gorak9000I used to have many HID lights in my house 😂 but I was different

And contrary to the incandescent lights, being more efficient at the same time as lasting longer…

It comes from Dubai so you know it's just bullshit

I came down here to comment this very thing! please do! BigClive has done a great video overviewing the technical side of the subject.

Phillips now sells 200 lumen/Watt bulbs elsewhere under the UE (ultra efficiency) label. There are other vendors reaching that too. EU changed the labeling on light sources and now most LED bulbs don't even get a C. The UE lamps get an A.

unlike incandecent bulb when you underrun led the effiency goes up and it last longer

Switching that lightbulb on and off every day will alsof shorten the lifespan.

but if they were installed at the same time as is likely they won't be on average every 10 years they'll probably all fail in the 9-11 year period meaning you probably will want to replace them all when the first one goes because otherwise you'll have to get an electrician out 10 times in a relatively short period of time. But they are stupid things.

@@mytimetravellingdog if it's new construction, you might have all the lights installed at the same time, but it's quite common for people to replace one fixture, or one room at a time in their house, ongoing

They're "designed" to last 10 years...in ideal conditions. I`ve seen "ten year" bulbs fail in less than one. Airflow around the bulb, humidity (if near a bathroom or something) or local climate can dramatically change that lifespan. As will the duty cycle -- you use the lights in some rooms a lot more than others. So you could install all ten at the same time and still have one fail every year. LED lights should damn near last forever. Usually it's the power supply that fails, and usually that's because they run the power supply very close to its physical limits because making it more durable costs money. But that also means any small variation from those test conditions can push it over the edge into failure. These lights *could* be great, but that would not be profitable...

This is also true for RAID arrays (used to multiply disk capacity and provide some data security by saving the data across multiple drives) A drive with a Mean Time Before Failure of 100,000 hours will usually last around 100,000 hours. An array of 36 similar drives will have one fail on average once a month or so of continuous use. It's not a simple division, as due to probability, it's worse. Source: Was system admin of such an array, and really wished the people who set it up in the first place had split the array instead of using all the drives for one logical storage area. (So did they after the first few months once the drives started failing) The storage space? You can now get similar levels of capacity on microSD cards, though the transfer speed from the area was much much faster. Also, TechConn has done a video about those "disposable" light fixtures like you're talking about.

@@mytimetravellingdog Designed for "10 years longevity" is based on average lifespan of bulb design, it's very unlikely for them all to fail at around the same time (within the same year). If they did, that was definitely through planned obsolescence.

My grandparents have a light bulb in a sealed fixture in their shower. They have never changed it since buying their house in 1965. It's very possible the bulb is original to the house from 1948.

10 minute shower, twice a week? 16 hours per year, 60 years lifespan.

​@@lumberjackdreamer6267Who the fuck takes a shower twice a week.

​@@lumberjackdreamer6267I can appreciate how you came to this estimate. However with the smallest amount of research, you would see the average American bathes five to six times a week for 15 minutes. Multiply that by two unless they took every shower together. So you might need to rework that math buddy 🙂 edit: Did the math myself and conservative estimates would be in excess of 7000 hours.

It's just a filament of your imagination.

Dubai lamp is based on glass chip that is impossible to be properly heatsinked. they made it efficient just by using double the filament at the same power level thus increases its efficiency and lifetime. total heat output might be roughly similar since they have the same power. as the driver, i believe there's nothing different compared to their standard deco classic lamp

@@n.shiina8798 LED filaments don't NEED to be heat sinked. The large surface area alone and helium gas fill of the bulb is enough to draw heat away. With appropriate power draw they run for ages just fine. See the video Filament LED Light Bulb: 5 years and Teardown Time

yes leds nowadays is designed significantly worse the capacitor fail constantly and they even overdrive the led chip to acheive planned failure if u take apart led with same wattage ull know its got less chips to spread the heat

I've seen too many failed lightbulbs nowadays. The cheap LED lights are either running in overcurrent, lack the proper heatsinking, use shitty chips or combination of the above, especially GU10. All of the ones I seen it was the led chips that were burned.

From my experience CFLs last more than LEDs. I had both non name chinese and reputable brand LED lamps fail in a few month. Even the cheap chinese CFLs lasted around 2 years and the reputable brand ones around 6-8 years.

​@@izimsii bought a box of LED bulbs about a year ago, I probably got 200-300 hours out of each bulb. After taking them apart to investigate it was innediatly obvious they had designed them to overdrive the LEDs. I bought 4 LED lights when they first came out and, 3 of the 4 still work. One of them has at least 6000 hours on it (I use it on my workspace lamp about 12 hours per day).

Until recently, I worked for a condo association which maintained over 100 bulbs in outdoor fixtures on photo cell switches. When I started, almost 25 years ago, they were switching over from 60W incandescent to the equivalent cfls in large part for the labor savings of longer life. We dated when they were put in as they had a one year warranty and were pricy, over $10 each. I continued it until I retired earlier this year. The cfls went through 3 generations, each getting smaller although they were rated very similarly. being on photocells, they operated about 4000 hours per year with only one on/off cycle per day. I believe the on/off cycles are particularly damaging to the cfls. Some of the first generation bulbs lasted 10 years or more, far exceeding their 10,000 hour or so rating. Almost all of them lasted 5 to 6 years. The second generation reduced the life somewhat. The third generation, that probably was really pressed on price as leds were nipping at their heels price wise, was the smallest of them all. Some of them only made it about a year, few of them more than two thus many of them did not make the rated 8000 hours. In changing over to leds, it didn't seem that they were lasting their rated lifetime. I never did, but it would have been interesting to check life of the cheapies rated at about 5000 hours and the name brands with 15000 hour ratings.

It's also very much a "shots fired" at the Veritassium video on the same topic

Someone above you had the exact same thought, same words and all. Crazy how two people can think the same exact thing.

I put a 12v battery in a 6v motorcycle 😂 poof

i had a phone charger for the cigarette lighter socket of a car. one day i plugged it into the cigarette lighter in a truck, and it went BANG! - literally.

Airplanes use 400hz 110vac don't they?

@@anonymousarmadillo6589 AFAIK they also use 24V DC.

I used to shake them to hear if the filament was broken, but always after removing them. Never thought to just smack one while it was socketed.

I've used it to "fix" lights on an old car but I'm guessing that was more about the contacts where the harness plugs in than the filament on the bulb.

That quite literally happened to my epson eco tank printer. Got to 16000 pages and then displayed an error saying it had reached its end of life. I cleaned out the internal sponge and got a software jailbreak key for $5. I hate that they do that but the printer is so worth it. The ink is so dirt cheap.

@@matthewjohnson3656 ma men say exactly what printer you have. Pleasseeeee. Lime the model and the year if possible. Thanks in advance

@@pedro.alcatra It was an Et-2750 but I have a feeling they have the same lock installed on all their machines. I still love it despite that. I think I spent maybe 40 on ink over 20k pages and 4 years.

@@matthewjohnson3656 Yes the have a block feature em every product. HP, and brother as well. But I was wondering if I could buy exactly this one and then unlock the printer in the same way you did!

@@matthewjohnson3656 MA MENNNNN. I saw the price. And God. It is absurdly expensive. Like 450€

Our new built house in the UK also came with CFLs in every room. This was back in 2016. For how much the house was, cheaping out on those relatively crappy bulbs instead of giving us LEDs annoyed me, with a low CRI rating which genuinely caused me eye strain at night. Now I got some basic Philips "candle light" LED bulbs. Perfect colour temperature, instant on and 40/60w equivalent.

Even here in the US Duke Energy sent me a box full of CFL’s when I became a new customer years ago. I still have 2 or so of them left. As a result, I have not started purchasing LED bulbs yet. These CFL’s are lasting quite a while.

I remember CFL bulbs being expensive then late 2004/early 2005 suddenly many companies in the UK giving them away for free. Went with a relative who was paying their rent to their HA home and there was at my reckoning at least 200 could be double that bulbs piled up and free for people to take, took so many of them at the time, by 2010 I did start working out that I felt tired more often due to how dim they were in comparison to regular bulbs and went back to regular bulbs which helped a lot. These days I use LED bulbs which are a compromise but far better than CFL ones.

Incandescent lamps did all kinds of weird stuff, never experienced a lamp just coming back to life after a flick like he did there but this gives context to people shaking the lamp and testing again (tho that was likely hearing a rattling piece of filament fallen inside). One lamp I had on a clamped fixture (the kind you can clamp to a desk side or in my case a shelf) sagged so much during it's lifetime that the filament tangled on itself and it just decided to become brighter. It was funny and pretty darn bright for the little it lasted.

The good old com Ed Light bulbs had those when I was a kid

The oven I bought even has this use case in its manual: prove dough on the “light only” setting at 50 °C.

Unless you replaced that appliance bulb with an equivalent rated LED.

@@jeepien I If you put an LED bulb in your oven, it will melt, so it’s uselessness for proofing dough is kind of not important.

@@petermescher332 :: Yeah, I probably would not try that myself. Although there are LED bulbs that are "appliance" rated, I'll let someone else test that.

@@jeepien I think those are the fridge bulbs… I do make use of those.

I was wondering from a landfill perspective. If the 2500 means twice as less waste. Less packaging. Less transporting of the new bulbs around. I think as they pointed out it's probably more complex of a topic.

​@pleasedontwatchthese9593, but then you have more energy consumption... It gets complicated.

@@LetrixAR exactly!

I saw some people in the "too soon to have watched the whole video" comment section effectively going "Yeah! They could absolutely make everlasting light bulbs if they wanted to!" Like, do you have no understanding of basic physics and entropy?

If the short life bulb is objectively better why did it need a secret cartel to keep it at the top? I also took issue with the straw man argument that long lived bulbs were implied to be the same brightness as short life bulbs. Where is evidence supporting this claim? The inherent benefits of short life bulbs are claimed to be what kept it the standard after the cartel was disbanded without acknowledging that consumer expectations, expensive plant tooling, and market inertia had all solidified on the short life standard whether better or not. The video casually jumps from era to era mixing methods and motives as if they all occurred at the same time which is every bit as disingenuous as the myth he's trying to bust.

Thats the real problem !

This will become less of an issue over time for 2 reasons - leds will become more efficient and have less heat waste and fixtures like this will slowly disappear. EDIT - misread the OP disregard.

@@ntsecretsWhy do you think that fixtures like this will disappear?

A friend bought a Ryobi LED spotlight new. He told me it lasted a handful of uses and the yellow led block inside quit. Technically it died under warranty but he lost receipt and couldn't be bothered. Waste of everything as it was permanently glued together and not repairable

@@Conservator. I misread it my apologies- thought you meant the fully enclosed fixtures designed for incandescents. I haven’t had any non changeable ones fail on me, but external factors such as lightning are always possible.

yeah it is weird that most led bulbs do not have a proper heat sync.

I have the first type of Phillips LED bulb on the market, still powered, still working. Subsequent purchases of the same bulb brand and line have never been as reliable, and every time they go bad, i take them apart and inspect them. The quality of the parts inside keeps decreasing with each iteration. Heat sinks, diodes, all. The only thing that has improved is the mother board. They've managed to make them both heat sinks and boards at the same time.

I have some COB filament style bulbs which are still going strong 8 years in. Granted they're only 4w, and the filament style means they have plenty of chips. So they might be being underrun. I got them from a discount store even and they had to have been under 5$ each. No visible heat sinks. They don't give off much more light than you get during the day with the blinds down however.

Heatsink?

@@timetoerist1313 Heatsink.

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