or maybe he is loyal to other brands than apple

@@robertocoladomenico5426 he has practically recommended macbooks for most people ever since M1 dropped

Exactly, this guy is anti Apple, it’s seriously pathetic to watch

​@@robertocoladomenico5426Really? Don't make me laugh

@@NarutoUzumaki-og1ge it's not difficult to believe, if apple doesn't pay him he has all interest in don't speaking well about

Apple Tax

​@@WhittyPics Every time someone says that I doubt they have anything to do with IT tech or they just lived under a rock for over a decade. Quality costs. being at peak of tech also costs. developing and leading that peak will not be cheap. In the end all benefit. For example the absiluteyxl breakthrough in the M chip changed to whole industry. Although it takes some time until those changes can be seen by most people especially on the PC sector, where companies tried to avoid acknowledging the existence of the M SOC everyone in the industry knows what a hard hit that was and that there is nearly no company out there not actually working on a similar approach

Gave up on buying Macbooks as soon as I figured out that the memory is soldered onto the mainboard and not upgradeable. Apple's corporate greed continues to hinder sales of Macbook.

As if other PC manufacturers don’t make profit when selling you a crappy PC that weighs a ton and need fans to cool CPU.

Now memory is built-in to the CPU so absolutely no updating. You just have to buy the one with the amount of memory you need.

The most costly upgrade to M3 will still be necessary for heavy 3D architectural rendering. Apple has a devoted hardware fan base -- millions of users are still operating older machines, ofter 2014 or earlier. I've had two third party chips fail on my 2017 iMac (64 gb ram, four chips, two being the import chips meant to up the ram from stock specs), but has since been a reliable workhorse for graphic design and 3D architecture. The GPU is a 580 i7 8 gb ram and handles 3D operations (Blender and SketchUp Pro) well, but will no doubt lag on the rendering process involving ray tracing. The loyal Apple fan base suffers when NVIDEA is still boasted as the the top performer in PCs, but the M3 series in Apple closed the gap a bit, but it's not there yet. Full scale 3D architectural rendering is now possible on the M3 Pro, and this group of creatives will be taking a harder look at Apple after too many of their cheaper PCs broke down over the years. Running a design firm using 3D rendering allows most companies to write down their hardware upgrade costs against taxes, so the higher cost may not be a dealbreaker. Independent or retired Apple creatives using 3D rendering will just have to save up longer and see what M4 offers, then consider the M3 Pro sale prices once M4 hits the sales desks. And once up and running, they'll just keep the machines longer until the OS won't be supported any longer, probably the better part of a decade.

Even worse, Apple has gotten worse. Their primary focus is now to leverage the cult like thinking of of 90% of its customer base. Greed exponentially accelerated, human rights abuses at FoxxConn too. Cult of dummies on one end, suffering slave workers on tne other end, gaggle of billionaires sitting in between. Apple is the worst that corporate humanity has to offer. Their machines are underperforming status symbols that are incmpatable with the rest of the world. And at this moment, I’m an Apple user. But not for long, I’ve had enough.

They've been doing it since Steve Jobs died you just didn't notice ...

@@dgillies5420 they’ve been doing it since the beginning of the Mac in 1983. It was easy because there was no competition, but when it really ramped up to cult status was with the instruction of laptops, the MacBook. For a long time you could walk into any coffee shop and see 90%+ MacBooks. It because a cult of status, and until XP, the windows OS was terrible. But the theme had been established, and from there forward Apple has leveraged this who manufacture Apple product to the degree of human rights abuse, and their customer base who’ve been groomed to spend obscene amounts of money just to be identified as an Apple Cadet. I used to work in retail, and to the degree that markup formulas in the late 90s match those of 2024, I would guess that Apple pays about $60 delivered for current Airbook 64/1024. Nothing wrong with that, they can charge what they want. Legally they’re allowed to build incarceration sweatshop camps in Asia with suicide netting surrounding the lock-in “dormitories”, the employees working 70 hour weeks for $16 a day, stacked one top of the other in squalid buildings, etc. Of course Apple, as “good guys” could improve all of that for their manufacturing employees, but they don’t and won’t because they dnt have to. Apple began and remains an entity that modeled on the mind of 100% Steve Jobs.

So Apple. Just like the base and plus iphones with 60hz in 2023 (not even 90hz).

And 200$ for 8gb. Just insane.

Don't listen to him. He is an apple hater Just how iPhone 60Hz > Android 120Hz Similarly MacBook 8GB > Windows 16GB/32GB

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@@99Teutons and you know nothing about tech to say that.

Big tech reviewers spent most of the time talking about the new black color. You know who I'm talking about.

To be fair most were talking about not being huge fans of the matte black

I've given up buying stuff with fans. Silence is golden :)

agree

Indeed! I keep telling myself "I know it's expensive, but I'm future proofing it" Then realization sets in. "No way should I be paying so much for these specs". Lol!

Me to. I got an 16” M1 Max at half price (same price as a base model 15” M3 air), it’s a fantastic laptop, and it rips through anything I throw at it.

@@TheRunpoker Is the keyboard okay? I think the improved (non butterfly?) keyboard is only per M2 series ?

I would have to agree. The HP ENVY x360 is an amazing laptop, current one almost 3.5 yrs use, still runs great and plays the couple games I play on Steam, and does not have that ugly notch.

M2Pro vs M3Pro gets you almost no performance benefits. Instead, you get slight battery benefits under light load for minor level tasks and more significant battery benefits under heavy load. But performance is generally 5-10% better for 20-40% higher price (when you realize M2Pros can now be bought for deep discounts).

An explanation in practical terms would benefit from knowing what tasks and programs you plan on doing and using.

I also have an M1 pro pro, with 32gb RAM and 4T ssd. I was hoping the M3 chip would buy me better battery life. (And also I'm thinking i want to upgrade from 14"to 16".) But the reviews have been disappointing. Maybe next year?

Yes, that’s the thing stopped me from getting that laptop. No way 8GB is enough for several complex google spreadsheet tabs.

My 3-year-old MB Pro 13 M1 with 8GB/256GB is as fast as when new and handles all my workload without missing a beat. I bought it because 8GB is all I need and got it for under £1000 because Amazon regularly has deals on these. If you need 16GB, just buy it and forget about the extra cost, as you would be a fool to buy any laptop with 8GB of RAM if you need 16 GB.

I got the 8gb m1 air and the only thing I'm missing is that extra ram not gonna lie, that's the only thing I would like to upgrade!

darn fruitin right

When I saw the 8GB RAM I was like no way! My M2 MacBook Air has 1TB SSD and 24GB Unified memory, and it runs buttery smooth. I upgraded from my 2019 Intel 15 inch MacBook Pro to an M3 Pro 16 inch MacBook Pro and it is a great upgrade. I got the 512GB SSD (Use external 2TB SSD) and 36GB Unified memory.

And how many Polish Zloty more?

Why would anyone be even thinking about upgrading an M2 Max? 😳

@@jackdominiak445 same way people last year immediately upgraded from the iphone 13PM to the 14PM

@@jackdominiak445 same way people last year immediately upgraded from the iphone 13PM to the 14PM

@@jackdominiak445lol ikr

We are probably a few years away before AMD and Nvidia come out with their arm mobile processors and the Qualcomm elite won't be out for a almost another year and by that time its only a few more months before the M4. From some people talking about meteor lake say it won't be as crazy as most people think... So I don't think Apple has to worry to much until around 2025.

The new spapdragon is faster than the new Flagship iphone pro cpu and gpu. Apples lead was way ahead when apple silicon hit. But now its.....not.

@@1eyedwilli3 It is faster in a negligible way. When you're the underdog, you need an insane value proposition to get traction. Same reason why Genesis can't really take on Mercedes-Benz.

Thank you. So few people (and PC manufacturers) seem to understand this.

@@1eyedwilli3 The new snapdragon benchmarks are pretty amazing no doubt about that. But comparing the X Elite against the M3 max is where it's really at. In fact the charts they should for the X Elite Gpu side is pretty short of the M2 let alone the M3. They have some catching up to do because by the time they ship these in consumer products apple will be releasing the M4 a few months later.

Video?

Most people don't want to upgrade yearly anyway. If I had an M2 I wouldn't even look at the Apple site for a few years.

I truly wish what you hoped would happen. But judging from the buying habits and responses of millions of consumers on many other products from different industries, there is an overarching willingness to forgive companies for taking blatant advantage of them, taking them for granted, a simply cheating every buck out of them they can. I never seen it so bad in all my life and I've been around. Heavens forbid you should try and point things out, there now exists some twisted mindset that corporations are really their friends, that what they do and why they do it is to make their lives better and have their best interests at heart. For that is supposedly the very expectation behind capitalism. I don't know what they are teaching in Business 101 these days, but it must radically be different from when I earned my degree decades back. That there is even an unwillingness and refusal to acknowledge let alone accept that there is a dark cycle to capitalism shocks me. Not a dark "side", but an actual dark cycle. A side suggests it may or may not take place provided certain steps are taken (regulatory). However, we are averse to regulations, second it wouldn't matter. There are cycles in everything, and capitalism is not immune to its own. Yet here we are in the land of la la where belief now trumps facts and fantasy reigns supreme. It's really the result of social and cultural programming. Its origins are from the commercial sector as well as from the political, but even more so its ultimate origins are from the wealthy top 8% who own and control the corporate structures as well as the political one. It didn't happen all at once, nor even in the last ten years. But entire courses are taught on this, so it isn't anything that can be fullly explained in five seconds.

Yeah, I wonder too, because for me, I would HAVE to get the M3 Max because I sometimes use two external monitors plus a drawing tablet with a screen. This would not be possible with an M3 or M3 Pro. Most PC laptops have no such problem.

He has said in other lives/vids that you absolutely should NOT buy the Max chip in a 14 case as it runs much too hot. Only get the Max in a 16inch, it runs cooler.

@@Mandy7D7 I (personally) would HAVE to buy the M3 Max because if I wanted to use more than 2 external monitors, there's no other option, and I have 3...

Me too, I'm also buying the Max but due to Josh's statements on the heating issues in the 14 inch I'm getting it in the 16 inch case. 👍@@cameronbosch1213

I'd get a Mac for DJing. You want 100% reliability. I DJd for many years btw

I'd worry about heat dissipation in a 14" chassis. I just saw an amazing price on a 14" with 32 GB, but... is it going to overheat. Scared. Also, at that price point, there is some argument that, depending on what you are doing, a dedicated gpu is going to provide you better performance. Feeling very Linuxy today.

I think you might have exaggerated a bit much. There's no way a maxed out apple computer is the best deal for everyone. That thing still costs 2 grand. I know many people in the world will be happy with a $500 computer for the next 5 years.

@@osoiii 2 grand for a beefed up M1 Max or 2 grand for a base M3 MBP. I know which I’d choose tbh.

@@alexfvcruz What he's saying is that it's not a good deal for everyone because it will not benefit everyone. You forget that 90% of people's tasks are browsing and mailing. And even if you do video editing, photoshop or design stuff, 16GB will do just fine. Paying for an overkill machine isn't a good deal.

@@osoiii 200 % correct.

Love that idea. I know it's somewhat antithetical to Apple's aesthetic, however, carving out that segment could be cool in its own way.

@@daviddicicco3940 I think if Apple is serious about capturing market share in the game Industry, this is what they have to do.

That's almost a normal amount of extra money that Apple would charge you for the extra 16 GB's, only $100 more lol.

M2Pro or M2Max seem to be the bang4buck sweet spots for what you describe. 1 or 2TB SSD. 32 or 64GB RAM. Should give great performance for all your Adobe needs.

I 💯 agree with you on this. The answer going backwards in time to purchase really doesn't fit. I'm coming from a very old model and I need every day of updates I can get as this new one needs to last as long as this one did. The ending left me a little hanging.

There’s the M2 Pro that came out in January of this year you could get

@@Mandy7D7i’m currently using my old 2012mid mbp, chrome forced me to upgrade from Mojave to Catalina recently, it dramatically slows my macbook down, and I have to use 2013version pages, keynotes and numbers cuz the new versions don’t support Catalina😅the price for m2 pro and m3 pro is pretty close, I think I will pick the latest version for battery and support longevity too

Interesting observation.

If you're really stuck on OSX can I make a suggestion? Get a hackintosh compatible laptop. For the same money, or likely less, you'll get more and it'll very likely last longer than what Apple is putting out these days. And you, and the rest of us on this planet, won't be stuck with an e-waste brick that costs too much to repair when your Applecare runs out.

@@newolde1 Not really an option as hackintoshes are slower and wouldn’t have the same good battery life, along with Apple likely dropping support for Intel altogether soon. I’ve had a hackintosh desktop before and it’s fun to mess around with, but was more of a curiosity project than an actual solution. If x86 was faster I’d look at it more but unfortunately nothing is as fast as what Apple is putting out right now. Single core performance on the M3 Pro essentially ties the 14900KF, and that’s what I need along with a fair amount of graphics memory. A hackintosh would be e-waste right out of the gate.

Likely has to do with size of the components. Note that the lid of a MacBook is very thin, so shrinking Face ID into such a small space is a challenge.

@@carsonlujan8134 So many Windows laptops have face login. This has been a solved problem for several years.

The Face ID I can live without because there's Touch ID which is much faster and convenient. Additionally, if you use the laptop primarily at a docking station then it doesn't even matter. I care a lot more about Apple's awful pricing scheme for the average consumer and the subtle performance downgrades that affect an entire segment of professionals.

@@adequatequality Face id is much faster and much more reliable than touch id which sometimes it recognized my finger and sometimes it doesnt recognized. I agree with you about the apple pricing scheme - its getting ridiculous.

@@carsonlujan8134 if they can add it to the iphone and to the ipad pro they can 100% do it for the macbooks too.

That is what was said in the video. ..and the chip did improve but the core ratio was changed and bandwidth reduced, resulting in a net loss.

For running large language models memory bandwidth and sufficient memory capacity (64GB+) is the absolute requirement, and core counts matter less. I am disappointed by this generation because I was in the market for a higher spec mac to run LLMs locally (want to have an LLM listening in my living room and don't want to send that to the cloud), but now I'm just not sure whether I'm buying any new hardware at all. I may just go with a refurbished or secondhand M1 max. For every other use case that I have those machines already will last me many years, and for LLMs if I can find one with enough RAM they should outperform everything but the unbinned M3 max config.

Thanks Paige. It helps to hear that.

@@JustJoshTech welcome! Your videos are incredible and you deserve even more subscribers!

Why would they not discontinue the M1 & M2 Pro and Max chipped machines?

They still offer them as refurbs on their website however, it would make no sense to continue to make new M1 & M2s. They've moved on in technology there is no reason. Most people who have an M1 or M2 are not looking to upgrade to an M3 anyway. Your laptop should last you more than a year or two.

Slim Pro 9i 16inch is a fantastic laptop and one of my top 3 16inch

iMovie is all most of the clown tech channels need but they use all the fancy software

But hey, these prices (and the whole pricing scheme) are laughable. If I would go for the 1TB, then why not for the binned version of the M3 Max? Thankfully, I was concerned about throttling on the 14" MBP with M3 Max before buying and that stopped me from going down that route. I am still a bit concerned about the memory bandwidth reduction, but since I don't work with graphics which are memory-intensive, I feel that it will not be an issue. In general, despite the artificial limitation of the M3 Pro in terms of the number of P-cores and the memory bandwidth to push more users to the Max model (which used to improve only on graphics), it is still the best choice in the M-Series SoCs for most heavy users that don't work with graphics and about 10-15% better than M2 Pro in single- and multi-core performance, which is more than ok when we are talking about SoCs that are only 1 year apart.

This is not really an answer to your question but personally for i feel like being able to use more monitors improves my productivity way more then any difference in multi-core speed. I do not do many big native compiles or any machine learning dough. Only web development. I really do not care that much for a couple of % in multi core speed or if it throttles a little. Main benefit of stepping up to a max from pro is the third monitor and the higher base ram for me. I would definitely get a binned chip. That being said. I will keep my m1 pro 14 base model for this generation unless i really need more ram. A third monitor would be nice though.

There's a couple of tests on UKposts but they test the unbinned M3 max 14" with 14/40 and that things is just too much power for that small of a chasis so battery and thermals are going to suck. I'm looking at the M3 max binned as well and it does seem based on reddit research that people are getting good battery / thermals on it when doing normal tasks. Someone told me they got 14-15 hours of basic coding on it. When people test these computers they put them on high performance mode and run crazy benchmarks that push them way over what you will be doing on it 90% of the time, so it doesn't give a good real world assessment on battery / thermals. If I were you I'd do research for your use case if bandwidth is important, and if so M3 max or m2 chips will be great. If not, then you should be just as good with a custom 14" m3 pro (or m2 pro equivalent) with 36gb ram since it looks like you're not doing anything GPU intensive.

Look up for someone testing M2 Max 14". The chassis is exactly the same so don't expect the thermals to be any different in M3 Max either. I've already watched a few so here's the result: It's trash for 14", get 16".

@@mightymallet5474I think the heat sink is much bigger on the M3.

My bad, but I think you get the overall point i'm trying to make

It is not "crazy", as Apple has been doing it forever. Every year, the same people complain about Apple's prices despite knowing this; "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting change."

At least the base Mac Mini is a good deal. One of the few options out there by Apple, excluding refurbished. However, you can't be lazy when it comes to customizing your desktop setup. This will lead to the Mac Mini appealing to a niche market only. Lazy consumers will just get an iMac and call it a day.

Say no to Crapple!!!!

Thank you!

Maybe you should look at the choices we get in the UK for Samsung and then realise that Apple does far more than they have to in a market that is in longterm decline as people hold onto devices for longer and longer. Samsung doesn't even sell many models and the ones it does have restricted specs. Without perspective, slamming Apple all the time is very unfair and not at all helpful for the bigger picture.

@@andyH_England Of course they aren't the only crappy company out there but they are the richest and that's why they get the most flack. And they should; they treat the environment like a dumpster and claim that they love it. They also use chinese slave labor to make their devices and claim they love human rights.

People are constantly chasing numbers even though they are moot, as other parts of the system have been improved so that bandwidth is no longer needed, and of course, creators jump on this. They need to prove that removing the bandwidth on the M3 would give less performance than if the bandwidth was higher.

@@andyH_England exactly, the example that this video also referenced didn’t indicate the amount of RAM each system had. I’m all for holding a company’s feet to the fire but we have to be balanced. That said what grabs attention on UKposts/social media is a sensational title.

@@JoseTheRover It would be nice to have perspective by including a Windows laptop with similar specs in any analysis. But I assume most YT creators make money from the sponsored Windows machines; hence, we rarely see those comparisons. Though MaxTech does them, and Windows machines rarely come close.

Too right it's not right 😢