Machine Helical Flutes

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Edge Precision

Edge Precision

Місяць тому

Machining the part and aa little about the programming necessary to do so.

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@wolfdude8085
@wolfdude8085 Місяць тому
I program tool paths for helical bevel gears and other more complicate parts in ESPRIT for our HAAS 750 for almost 2 years now and your videos still teaching me lessons how to do proper, nice to watch, toolpaths. Thank you.
@decafbass8408
@decafbass8408 Місяць тому
Here's a guy who knows what he's doing!
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 Місяць тому
The comments about the ballnose cutter cutting on an angle was interesting to me. I use a lot of ballnose and tapered ball nose cutters on my 3 axis cnc router, and now I'm thinking I should increase the RPMs. Unfortunately I can't change the angle, but realizing that a ballnose is effectively a very small diameter tool in those situations may help me out!
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Місяць тому
I saw in a book once a setup to mill a helix on a manual machine it was quite the deal to do manually. CNC really shines on a job like this.
@mehmettemel8725
@mehmettemel8725 Місяць тому
Always an interesting part getting machined never boring.
@MR-yq5rj
@MR-yq5rj Місяць тому
I love the camera angles! And the explanations and simulations are very interesting. Thanks and have a nice day .
@chrisp2614
@chrisp2614 Місяць тому
I've watched your videos for years. youtube stopped showing your new videos for me and i couldn't remember your channel name but I finally found it.🔥🔥🔥
@williamparry9314
@williamparry9314 Місяць тому
Work of art.
@glennkamers
@glennkamers Місяць тому
Looks good. Always impressed with you attention to details.
@NickRno77
@NickRno77 Місяць тому
Just incredible work as usual Pete, thanks for sharing 👍👌🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦
@raindeergames6104
@raindeergames6104 Місяць тому
This is just soooooooo amazing. Man this really makes me dream big.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Місяць тому
Hi Edge, your knowledge and experience are amazing, even though I have very very little cnc experience, equivalent to Zero....I am enthralled by the things you machine, best wishes from an old guy in Florida, Paul
@rwc2504
@rwc2504 Місяць тому
Very cool, in a twisted kind of way. Nice work
@esmth
@esmth Місяць тому
Awesome video and part! Thanks for the Esprit content! I was one of the ones that asked. I really enjoy hearing you discuss your machining strategy.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
On the vertical walls where the ball endmill was being used, yes. But on the diameter below them not really any better (in fact not as good) than the bull nosed endmill.
@theinvestinghouse
@theinvestinghouse Місяць тому
Great video, great part!
@amitanshupattanayak837
@amitanshupattanayak837 Місяць тому
Superb work,
@Petrolhead99999
@Petrolhead99999 Місяць тому
11:25 a good way to think of this is that the center of the tool is traveling nearly zero linear distance per revolution. Think of it like standing on the very center of a merry-go-round. This means that the chip load, no matter what the feed rate, has the tendency to explode to infinity. The absolute center is removing infinite material relative to its linear surface footage. There is also, as you mentioned, the issue of recutting the chips. Those fines will act like sand paper. We use some CNMG inserts for heavy roughing on 1040 at my shop. We are taking .130 DOC at ~.025 IPR. There is a brutal interrupted cut in the middle of the roughing. The inserts last about 35 parts with high pressure coolant, and 50 without. My theory is that it's the thermal shock induced during that interrupted cut, and the coolant makes this worse. In addition, the Sandvik inserts we use seem to behave better once the coating has some heat in it. In light cutting applications like this, I think about it like the process of burnishing... The metal has to be warm to be nice and ductile so that the tool and workpiece slick past each other. Im a junior machinist, still learning and I don't know a dang thing. Please let me know if there's anything I am thinking about incorrectly.
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy Місяць тому
That's a cool looking part!
@theorangebaron1595
@theorangebaron1595 Місяць тому
Thanks for sharing as always. Tricky part with the ball endmill…
@MillVIPCNC
@MillVIPCNC Місяць тому
Un vídeo más mostrando trabajos excelentes, donde se ve la experiencia, gracias por compartir!
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Місяць тому
What it is I have no idea but it'd make a nice conversation piece. Thank you as always for the insight.
@smalltownrifleman
@smalltownrifleman Місяць тому
It’s a downhole casing reamer. They will apply carbide to the exterior of those flutes and incorporate it into the drill string so it opens the hole enough to run casing into the bore.
@lvxleather
@lvxleather Місяць тому
Nice work dude 💯 I think you could program that with a subroutine, at least the roughing. I have been doing that using incremental H commands for the rotation angle instead of C. The coolant causes thermal cracking of the carbide because the insert is engaged in the material for that split second and isn't getting coolant until the chip curls away, and then it is exposed to the coolant again and rapidly cools. Like you said, it's better running dry with air blast maintaining a consistent temperature at the cutting edge. I get at least 4 times the tool life running dry like that. I also have a Mitsubishi index-able I use for steel, VP15 grade I think, it kicks ass.
@subhashk941
@subhashk941 29 днів тому
Very nice machine 👍👍
@rolandolievanoagudelo.5112
@rolandolievanoagudelo.5112 Місяць тому
Excelente trabajo. Maestro.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
¡Gracias!
@ronaldrolka-py5yy
@ronaldrolka-py5yy Місяць тому
Thank you for your time 👍
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Місяць тому
Outstanding....
@bigdaddy7670
@bigdaddy7670 Місяць тому
Amazing Peter! I think you get work that everyone else "No Quotes"
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Місяць тому
very very good video Peter
@mbainrot
@mbainrot Місяць тому
8:56 that camera angle maaate, that is awesome
@pasimiettinen2478
@pasimiettinen2478 Місяць тому
Thanks, lot of useful info here
@gwharton68
@gwharton68 Місяць тому
Beautiful piece. Would make a great door stop.
@nicokempf1982
@nicokempf1982 Місяць тому
A good door opener, too.
@brantonbeall9061
@brantonbeall9061 Місяць тому
Great job as always! I’m quite certain this is used as a downhole drilling tool. If so you are correct that the reamers (ribs) will be hardfaced with tungsten or something specific to the conditions of the well being drilled.
@soaphelps
@soaphelps Місяць тому
that is a sweet looking pattern that roughing pass left.
@icey_b1562
@icey_b1562 Місяць тому
This would be a good job for circle segment / accelerated finishing tools.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Місяць тому
that part looks like a Sinusoidal Turboencabulator
@ianm1470
@ianm1470 Місяць тому
Yes ~ I was thinking that also 👍🏻
@jdgower1
@jdgower1 Місяць тому
I see what you did there... But I don't think this was made for Rockwell Automation. Note the total lack fannular vanes.
@IamCNC-1
@IamCNC-1 9 днів тому
TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT
@TheGreasemonkey76
@TheGreasemonkey76 Місяць тому
Great video. It's really great to see somebody doing similar work. I also use ESPRIT and helical flight part but contoured so no flat bottom face. But we are limited to a VNC535 with rotary. Hopefully, we can get some intergrex 200 soon! Is the wall a vertical 'ish'? Look into the free form scarf cycle with solid EM. Maybe get more consistent finish side to side, possible cycle time reduction.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Yes I think it could be done with a 1.0” diameter ball mill.
@CNCMatrix
@CNCMatrix 25 днів тому
I agree with everything except taking finish cuts without coolant. I run all milling tools "dry" with AIR blast and finish using coolant. Maybe with that particular tool you have or something it doesn't work well, but otherwise in every single scenario I run coolant. If you try to run feed mills or high speed machining (profit milling in esprit) without good air blast, the amount of heat generated breaks down the coating on the inserts and they fail. At least that's been my experience
@liamrobertson7265
@liamrobertson7265 Місяць тому
I get the feeling if I did a job like this I would constantly break everything. tools, machines,parts myself!!
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Місяць тому
Just as an FYI if you didn't already know, you can put a main program in the machines memory that just has an M98 with the program number of the actual program you want to run and it will go grab the main much larger one out of the hard drive of the machine with the actual toolpaths which is much larger and run it that way. I do it all the time with my 15+ MB surfacing programs that I want to do all at once in my 2MB mazak controller. It does not seem to affect the reading speed of the code at all and lets you fit extremely large programs and run them all at once
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
What controller does your machine have?
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision I have a smart, matrix, matrix 2 and smooth. It seems to work on all of the ones that I have.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision give it a shot and see if maybe it works on yours too, I know it's a little older generation control but if it does work it makes life a lot easier. Also you can try using a G65 so it searches the whole memory instead of M98 if that doesn't work.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Seems like I tried this in the past and it wouldn’t work on my control. I think mine needs that special drive card you insert in the control next to the monitor. But I may try it again just to make sure. But really it only takes a minute to change programs. If I was running a lot of parts it may be worth it.
@mjshorty19
@mjshorty19 Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision that's true, I run much more production parts of at minimum 100 pieces so the program changes would get annoying but given your style of parts and quantity it probably wouldn't make much difference. Just thought I'd throw the idea out if you never had tried it. Keep up the great videos!
@spadeace2648
@spadeace2648 Місяць тому
the axes of the machine must be treated and the b-axis must be straight. Otherwise the surfaces will not meet and there will be stairs. Wonderful work.👍
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
If I'm understanding what you are saying? What most people don't consider when milling an OD like this with a regular endmill. The tool is cutting on its center unlike when milling flat surfaces a standard endmill when facing is just cutting on the edge of the tips, because most endmills have an intentional dish of 1-1.5 degrees on their tips. So on an OD they will not leave even a flat while going down the helical spiral. There will be a hump in the middle. If you mill around the OD just feeding the C axis this will be even more pronounced. Unless you had a special endmill ground with a flat tip. So a standard spiral wrapped pocketing cycle wont leave a nice finish on the C axis moves. Now the way I did it isn't exactly perfect either, but with the .125 tip radius on a .500 diameter tool it is in effect milling with a .250 diameter tool. The big tip radius blends together the individual passes to leave a better finish then a .250 endmill would leave.
@gerrit2107
@gerrit2107 Місяць тому
Nice vid as always :) Have you ever tried running a program from the HDD directly? I’ve run a 3 axis mazak with the 640M control and if your had a program on the HDD, you could run it using Tape mode instead of memory mode, I think you need to use a program number that’s not in memory for it to work. Also a disadvantage is that you can’t see the current line the control is on as it seems to kind of drip feed it internally. If you do it correctly you should get a red HDD (I think) icon in the bottom right corner of the screen next to the green TPS(I think again, it’s been a while :) ) Thanks for the great content
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
It seems like I tried this in the past and it would not work. Be that as it may. I kind of like running smaller programs and being able to restart them and seeing the program. I have run drip feed on the horizontal and my Haas in the garage.
@aintdatsnipes177
@aintdatsnipes177 Місяць тому
B axis work ain't cheap, drillers only ones that can afford it.
@JosephColihan
@JosephColihan Місяць тому
Awesome thank you. What B Axis angle did you use to surface the flutes with the ball end mill ?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
The B axis was at 75 degrees for the back one and 76 for the front.
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Місяць тому
Have you tried the Helical, or similar, lens form end mills? I tried some a couple weeks a go, it was super nice to have a 1/2" tool with a 1" radii lens tip.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
No I have not used any of that style of endmills.
@David-xo8ci
@David-xo8ci Місяць тому
About the collision problem, do these machines not have safe limits? I run an Okuma lathe, and it allows you to simply set a limit to where the turret is allowed to go, and it will not go any further than that. Mind you, I've never worked with Mazak or, sadly, with one of these lathes with a milling head, so I might be completely off here.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Yes these can be set. But that still doesn’t allow you to machine the part.
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan Місяць тому
Hello mr Peter . Nice flutes . Can we get a short video on the Hotel project update ?
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan Місяць тому
and generally an update on what's up , how are you doing ...etc.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
I am going to Mexico toward the end of this month. When I get back the beginning of next month I will do an update on it. Thanks!
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Місяць тому
Question, on the opposite problem wall surface, the operation made the ball tool almost perpendicular to the surface, using the tip of the ball as you stated, isn't there a setting or process that would have made the tool perpendicular to the cylinder, or turning axis instead, and then allow a slight offset setting from that. Just curious.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
The cycle I used can be set at any angle. But in this case to get up to the chuck end I will have a collision. So I was using these angles for that reason. If I set the part more extended away from the chuck I could have done that.
@marcinkotao8702
@marcinkotao8702 Місяць тому
What kind of software you are using? PS: thank you for choosing Poland chuck :)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Esprit TNG.
@PundhyLuzino
@PundhyLuzino Місяць тому
Sangat hebat
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Місяць тому
Does the mazak control use G12.1 (polar interpolation) to interpolate the c and y axis? And possibly show some of the g-code?? Thanks ive learned a lot from your videos.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Yes the Mazak will do all that. I’m not at the shop right now. But when I’m back I will find a program I used that on and post an example of the code.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Here is an example of a tool using this this on my Mazak. Generated by Esprit TNG cam software. Hope this helps. ********************************************************** T16.01 T51 M6 (#16.01 ROUGH .50 4FL .015 RAD) (.500 4FL CARB .030 TIP RAD) G90 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G90 G53 Z0. G10.9 X0 M200 G97 S4000 M3 G54 M108 M212 G0 B0. C97.5158 M107 G68 X0. Y0. Z0. I0. J1. K0. R0 G43 H16 Z1. M8 X1.0444 Y0. G91 G17 X C G90 G12.1 (This Is the code for Polar Coordinate Interpolation) Z-.985 G1 G94 Z-1.015 F50. G3 X.9883 C-.043 I-.0066 J-.0496 F32. G1 X.954 C-.3029 G2 X.9441 C-.3016 I-.005 J.0007 G1 X.9975 C.1036 G3 X.9876 C.1049 I-.005 J.0006 ***********Skip to end of tool********** X-.358 C.9567 G2 X-.3287 C1.021 I.0468 J.0175 S3500 G0 X-.9759 C.9984 G1 G41 X-1.0106 C.7357 F21. X.0785 C.592 X-.1631 C-1.2393 G40 X.0996 C-1.274 Z-.985 F50. G0 Z1. G13.1 (This is canceling Polar Interp.) G69 M9 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G53 Z0.
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Місяць тому
Thanks this is helpful, curious though the G68 (plane rotation?) With the J1. What is that for.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Actually it isn't necessary. It's there because I selected to rotate it in in the cycle. Whenever you see the letters I,J,K in a G-code program they are corresponding to X,Y,Z. So the G68 X0. Y0. Z0. I0. J1. K0. R0 Line X0.Y0,Z0 is the rotation center point and the I,J,K are defining the rotation line from the rotation center point. In this case in J 1.0 for the Y axis. But as I said this rotation doesn't really rotate anything from the normal XY plane. Because the R value is zero. For milling on the OD for instance the R would be 90.0. That would mean you would also index the B axis to 90 as well and be milling like a vertical mill but X plus is toward the chuck. As if you were standing behind a vertical mill. Because the rotation is at 90.0 degrees. Does that make sense?
@anthonylegate8678
@anthonylegate8678 Місяць тому
@EdgePrecision ok, yes, that makes sense thanks. One more question... I am currently running a V.T.L with live tooling and have been using g12.1 to program c and x axis milling tool paths. But we have recently purchased a horizontal lathe with a y axis and do not have a post processor to support the y axis yet. So do you think it would be possible to to write a program using g12.1 with c and x and then change all the c's to y's and just interpolate the x and y because with g12.1 active it converts the c axis from degrees to absolute numbers? Forgive me if this is a silly question but I do not have much 4th and 5th axis experience. Any advice on y axis programing would be greatly appreciated because Trying to write by hand is not going to well lol. Thanks again!
@Some_Beach
@Some_Beach Місяць тому
I want this job
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Місяць тому
Would a foot of extra stock on the blank - to improve access - help? For a part that involved surely the cost of it would be marginal.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
I have done parts in the past where I made a fixture to extend it out supported by the steady rest. That way I could tip the B axis both ways. But for one part it just isn't worth it.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision Right, but what about a longer piece of stock, part off what's left when you're done?
@4GSR
@4GSR Місяць тому
Another oil tool part. Lol!!! Stabilizer sleeve for something....
@theessexhunter1305
@theessexhunter1305 Місяць тому
Flute Peter
@charlesballiet7074
@charlesballiet7074 Місяць тому
just what kind of machine/jobs uses a end mill thats over a foot in diameter?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
I'm not even aware of a end mill 12" in diameter. When they get that large they are usually referred to as face mills.
@kevinmilne2966
@kevinmilne2966 Місяць тому
This can also be done on a manual machine
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Yes in different ways with a rotary attachment geared to the table.
@natebrown5588
@natebrown5588 Місяць тому
Can you show the code for the wrap milling portion just as an example?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
The code for wrapped contour that the cam software generates is really very simple. For instance the finish floor passes on this part. The machine while in the middle of the pass is only moving two axis. The Z and the C axis. The X,Y and B axis are not moving once posistioned. You just get the allusion watching it that it’s more than that. Your brain processes it like the machine is traveling down a helix but it’s just going in a straight line (the Z axis) and rotating the C axis to match the lead. The cam software just figures out where that is.
@user-kp6ee6wv1b
@user-kp6ee6wv1b Місяць тому
Hey Peter, gotten any news on the retirement place? Time frame yet?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
Getting closer but not quite there. We’re going there next month. I should have an update after that.
@tansit2344
@tansit2344 Місяць тому
Oh there's other lonely Esprit 20XX/TNG/Edge users out there watching 😉
@DudelPaul
@DudelPaul Місяць тому
Do you think the Mazak was your last Mashine? How about a new one? :)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
I still have the ones in my garage at home.
@mateuszordakowski7414
@mateuszordakowski7414 Місяць тому
How you measure a endmill ? If its not full diameter? Like 7.8 mm. ?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
With a micrometer.
@mateuszordakowski7414
@mateuszordakowski7414 Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision so ur mazak dont have option to rotary measure end mill ? And other tools
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
@@mateuszordakowski7414 The machine does have a laser tool setter. But it has never functioned sense I have owned the machine. It also has a tool setter arm. It is so difficult to use because it is very high up above the spindle. It is easer to manually to touch off the tools for me. But even on machines that I have used a tool setter on. I never use them to set endmills diameter. I just measure the diameter with a micrometer.
@Donkusdelux
@Donkusdelux Місяць тому
Howdy Peter, How much does this machine weigh?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
I'm sorry but I don't know for sure. Monday I can look in the manual.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
The serial tag on the machine says 61,933 Lbs.
@Donkusdelux
@Donkusdelux Місяць тому
@@EdgePrecision wow she's a heavy girl! Must have been quite the task moving her in
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Місяць тому
@@Donkusdelux Yes but it was all done by the riggers I hired.
@highprecisioneyeballing
@highprecisioneyeballing Місяць тому
Ahhhh yes, the machine's memory capacity. We own a small 4-axis Mazak, which has 8Mbs of memory after it was upgraded from 2Mbs! With modern 3d adaptive strategies it is far too little. I do not understand why is it such a problem and why a controller worth like 20k USD does not have let's say 1Gb of memory? It's ridiculous!
@bernhardschuepbach4533
@bernhardschuepbach4533 Місяць тому
Yeah, its ridiculous... and its mostly Mazak or Fanuc. They have these useless, artificially limits that have absoluelty no reason for the last 20 years...
@mz4637
@mz4637 Місяць тому
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@MassholeMachinist
@MassholeMachinist Місяць тому
How are you liking Esprit Edge for Millturn? We've been struggling to transition from the 20XX series to edge due to under developed factors in our specific machines.
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