Glad you caught that before the bombardment of corrections. 😁😁

It does not really matter - both vehicles would trigger Russians the same once they would get adorned with crosses and other WW2 signs...

They will stuff in troops and storm Russian positions that are under cannon fire. It's what they do.

@@ijustwanttogosailing8248 Are you for real?

​@@mathewgreen5957 That's their official tactical marking.. Search for "CNN Kupiansk" for example - our supposed allies adopted crosses when they launched Kharkiv and Kherson offensives.

Truth. I remember building a model of the Marder as a kid and I always liked the aesthetics of it. It was and is a good “gen 1” (at least for NATO) IFV. I can only imagine that the Ukrainians agree, and simply hope to get a few such reliable platforms in LARGE numbers, rather than a dozen different ones in small lots. Managing logistics, sustainment, training and tactics across 30 different vehicle types during a fight for national survival must be a pain in the ass of epic proportions….

An upgrade really?????

@@rikspring yes. Infantry are your primary weapon. The truck is just a means of getting them in and out of trouble. Above all else, the purpose is to increase the long range mobility of infantry. Marching is bad for moral, and causes excessive fatigue. Heavy weapons and armor are totally optional. Tanks are for pushing the front line, mechanized transports are primarily for helping the infantry keep up with said front line. The IFV concept is an attempt to compress the role of an infantry tank and transport into one vehicle. It's a viable, but more expensive method. It's geared toward quality over quantity. The cost of your transports increases, and their carry capacity decreases. But it negates the need for dedicated fighting vehicles like infantry tanks. When it comes to fielding large numbers of troops, a plain dedicated armored transport mixed with dedicated weapon carriers will do the same job more economically. Different strokes for different folks.

@@Fabrizio_Ruffo You're correct, we learned that lesson in Iraq, where our opponent was ALWAYS infantry. Ambushing infantry, dug in infantry, infantry doing drive by's in Opal hatchbacks & BMW's, shoot n' scoot mortar and RPG attacks, but always infantry. The lesson was that YOUR infantry still need bigger guns to arrive in support, and gun trucks were key, not MBT's. The uparmored hummer, for all its faults and all that we lost, delivered the goods. Light armor & Technicals are about more than hauling crunchies as dragoons, but gun platforms with high mobility. Even when I was a tanker, the majority of targets (and threats to your well-being) on the battlefield aren't other expensive tanks, but loads and loads of cheap, fast moving, missile packing threats to your armor, and heavy machine gun toting threats to your infantry and unarmored support. The Coax machine gun and m242 auto cannons always get more trigger time than the big gun. And the best defense against the revitalized threat of artillery (thanks to UAV's on the battlefield) is to be as mobile as possible. Infantry on foot is more hideously vulnerable to arty, rocket & mortar fire now than every before. Because it's nearly impossible to hide anymore when the Evil Eyes in the Sky are everywhere.

The Marder is probably a significant improvement over a BMP. Though against a 100mm equipped later model BMP it would suffer in a gun fight. It will almost certainly need to be supported by dedicated anti tank missile teams. Ukraine needs Abrams/Leos. The French 105mm Wheeled Armoured Cars will be useful as infantry fire support vehicles VS strongpoints and light Armour.

Thx for the info, and actually the speed & ease of repair oughta be very well suited to the ever-'resourceful' Ukrainians! 🇺🇦👍

Very interesting comment 👍

The problem is, Ukraine is going to need to use them as an infantry support IFV rather than just transport. With a cannon that can't kill BMPs and armour that can't resist 30mm cannon I personally would want to be assigned to a Bradley. Thanks Germany for your belated decision - but at least what France is sending CAN destroy BMPs. Must be quite sad to be outclassed by French armoured cars.

@@occamraiser they are completely different weapon systems, of course they will not do the same... the AMX can not transport troops (main task of the marder). Must be a hard life if one can not distinguish those two...

@@occamraiser Well, with anti-tank capability and a top off-road speed almost twice as fast as a BMP, I wouldn't consider a Marder exactly 'defenseless'... though I get your point re: procurement from a buncha 'surrender monkeys'! :-p

In German they were called "Kotzkübel" "vomit bucket" from what I know, but I omitted that, since I only heard it once. (edit: plural -> singular)

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Wow, never heard that, but the name is very relatable 😂👍

hence why everyone preferred to stay on top of bmp

Has to be uncomfortable enough to encourage the infantry to come out!

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized BMP whre called "Muckerbus" in NVA

Funnily enough it seems the Ukrainians developed a sort of tolerated barter system(as long as there is no profiteering) amongst the commanders to supplement the usual centrally planned logistics.

@@nhatmnguyen There is nothing to hold, what NATO fascism does it raping the dead corpse of Ukraine while laughing about it and counting the money they make with it somehow.

In Ukraine, now volunteers from "Come Back Alive" are engaged in the purchase of a large batch of repair and maintenance vehicles. Of course, this is still in addition to state and foreign support, but our volunteers have an ambitious goal to completely close this area. I am sure we will figure it out.

No it wouldnt be because finland and poland have been doing it for decades now.

Yeah, but luckily, their Eastern neighbours have "donated" quite a lot of hardware so far which is often used for parts to repair the old Soviet era weaponry.

I still love the warrior ✊️

in the 70s maybe, 50 years later it is considered very shit. Russias APC, IFV and armored cars are even better, the new Russian armored cars have an unmanned 30mm gun on top.

@@Writeous0ne And the Russians can only afford to build 12 of them?? :)

@@mrzoinky5999 they have about 25,000 total apc, ifv, armored vehicles etc in service and in storage, that we know of. And probably some that we dont know of.

@@Writeous0ne hahahaha, why 130mm and not 330?

We are kicking Russias ass despite we have our greatest trump cards unused: Air power and modern main battle tanks. And we don't use attack helicopters and cluster bomb rocket artillery either. With those weapons would the red army have been wiped out in a month.

@@nattygsbord Objectively natos biggest trump would simply be numbers. That's the reason Russian propaganda had to switch to wunderwaffeln, cause the soviet narrative of "a huge mass of the simple working stuff" no longer applied, since NATO also got more mass in most fields at this point.

Modernized M60 Patton's? TTS isn't that new compared to Turkish and Taiwanese models.

@@nattygsbord Russia would not fight the US for obvious reasons of technological lagging...yet it would nuke the US and use bacteriological, chemical and biological means. Also don't confuse the offensive war where people don't know why the government sent them there (like the Americans in Afghanistan/Iraq/Vietnam) vs a defence of the homeland. The Russian public, unlike the US public, in my mind is ready for a full out nuclear exchange. Just count to 6,000 and this is the number of declared warheads each side has and one needs to be naive to think that other "prohibited" means won't be used. So now pause for a second and think whether the US would go for a full nuclear exchange over...Ukraine? Poland? Germany? the clear answer is NO. This is why the UK and France have their own stockpiles. World is a lot more complex than "we kick their ass". How did the ass kicking in Afghanistan go?

We have so many of them becase of the peace dividend. It has not been needed to replace mcuh since the USSR colpased themself. Its very much a quesrion of generation. So many things has changed by nasty invensions. . But I would say some has been in used in Afghanistan, Irak, Libya even I has been against it.

@@ahemzal Arbtek has knowledge. Both sides have a lot autocannons and antiarmor weapons.Ex Soviet Union is well armed.Marder has too weak armour and is swiss cheese in few seconds.Only good for transport.

@@ahemzal Ukrainians and Russians are not unarmed bare handed tribes. They both mass produce and use autocanons and antiarmor weapons.Marders even tanks are swiss cheese in few seconds.

@@ahemzal Marders are good iff enemy don't posses autocanons or better.But it is not true in this case. IFVs and pickups are very fast but they are not faster than missiles and autocannon shells and bullets.They are moving swiss cheese. I survived Yugoslav wars. Infantry tankers and minefields engineers are 90% of killed and crippled soldiers. That's why Royal family members don't serve in infantry tanks armour and minefields engineers. Why any royal majesty is not tanker or IFV crew or infantryman?

@@zoranninkovic697 Depending on the version, the marder can withstand frontal fire with 30mm rounds. So they are resistant to 30mm autocannons.

@@ahemzal Yes.Western is better.But Ex Soviets Ukrainian and Russian older tech is cheaper several times for good enough quality or modern Russian ones is better for a little less money. Russia has less than 200 000 troops in Ukraine and Russia has sanctions and robbery against property and everithing in western countries and satanisation even against dead artists and writers from 18 19 and 20 centuries.Ukraine has over 700 000 troops and 45 countries help them.But still can't win.Russians are still there.And show who is stronger and better.The Taliban fighters in slippers are the best against NATO.

And it's gonna freeze today and for the next week. Wonder when these will show up on the front?

@@jimmiller5600not after weeks or months training

The Marder does not have armor to withstand either the 73mm low velocity guns HEAT or the 30mm APDS by the BMP1 and BMP2 respectively. The Marders armament is NOT stabilised and therefore cannot be accuratly fired while it moves. In order to fire the MILAN missile the commander has to stick half his torso out of the hatch. The Marder is NOT designed to fight other AFVs so the discussion of Marder vs BMP is superfluous. The Marder is a support vehicle designed to keep infantry off of the MBTs back. The armament of the Marder will shred infantry but is purely a defensive measure when it comes to fighting armor.

Marder for modern standard is not an IFV, it's just an APC, like the M113, designed to take infantry near the front line and then reverse at full 65kmh speed.

@@othertipo thats also wrong. The Marder stays at the front line and provides fire support with its MG3 and Rh202 autocannon. And that it does very well and the grenadiers love it. The Marder even provides amazing fire support in urban areas were AFVs usually hate to go. Because the armament of the Marder Elevates to 60° meaning that it can reach a rooftop if its half the buildings height away from it. If you are looking for a "battle taxi" APC the Panzergrenadiers are the wrong address to look at. You might want to check on Jägers and their Boxers and Fuchs APCs.

Man I can't bother reading all that when restarted is spelled as "restarded" my phone even fixed it by itself when I typed it.

That's good, since Sweden is kissing Russia's butt cheeks and won't sell (30mm) Gepard ammo to Germany anymore.

Given the timing, I think it's either that, or Germany will send their current stock of older ammunition and replace them with new production high performance ammo.

Conduct actually penetrate the sides of a Russian T-90A T-72B3 Kontakt-5 4S22 then Relikt 4S24 Explosive Reactive Armour Sides T-90M T-80BVM T-72B3 Model 2016 like a Ukrainian APC having to fight against a Russian T-72 or not? If not Marder is destroyed by T-72

@@EpicThe112 the marder is not an MBT... if you engage a t-72 with an IFV, you aüre either desperate or an idiot. it's not what the marder is for.

Nato puppet ukraine

Ha ha touching them is the real thing...

So you speak German!? 😮

Slava Ukraini !!!!

Stay Strong! 💪

Why should we all fight your civil war ?

@@iamasmurf1122 because we need someone to clean our toilets in germany.

@@iamasmurf1122 It's not a civil war. It's an invasion by an eastern empire with ambitions of control and domination of as many peoples and countries around them as possible. The only decent thing is to help against that.

Thank you!!!

@@TheLexstrong says Putins rim job groupie...

@@SonsOfLorgar Na A American that is fed up with Our country starting wars.. By the way F2ck Putin too . The People of Russia do not want Nato on their border. Trying to pin it on one person Like "evil Hittler Or evil Saddam" is the way Nato brainwashes people to think they are not going after the people just the evil guy...It is all BS

@@SonsOfLorgar does everyone that disagrees with you belong to a evil dictator group.?....Is that group in the room with us now?

​@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized No, thanks you for ADEQATE analysis - 'cause everything we hear from typical journalists - are bold claims and hype-oriented subject lines, with no details and realities of war taken into an account - and these details often change the whole picture. What sets this video of yours apart and compelety ignored by most of the speakers - the attention to general visibility out of the armored vehicle (periscopes, observation devices, thermals, etc.). And this is far more important topic, than most of the people think - paying attention to the gun and armor only and making the conclusions. The thing is, if you ever been in BMP-1 or BMP-2, you can notice how bad it is in terms of situational awareness and target acquisition, to be direct - you simply can't see shit out of these vehicles. I'm not even touching the comms and even an ability to install them reliably without complete re-do of the vehicle. Combine this with crammed space, not really sufficient for a modern soldier with body armor, tons of ammo and other things he needs to carry into the battle, no mine protection, bad armor - you'll end up with a combat-taxi, wich is quite blind, soldiers riding on top of it, it has no good comms with the infantry + can't detect the targets fast enough on it's own. It's good in terms of using it as mobile firepower for defence (we use BMP-1s for NLOS shooting for years, using software to do the math, it's super-common thing), but as a weapon for rapid assault - it has insufficient capabilities to be protected firepower that can carry troops into battle, see what's going on, provide rapid suppression of enemy positions, detect targets quick and engage them. If we look at our 92nd brigade, that had ~100 BTR4s, equipped with modern comms, 30mm stabilized gun, tons of internal space, +- good protection, thermals (not just integrated into the sight as monocular, but big screens for commander and gunner(!), that have wide FOV and good resolution), GPS, integrated system for firing ATGMs, excellent situational awareness. May not be the best protected vehicle, but it was the main machine that in cooperation with tanks helped to not let RU forces enter Kharkiv in the early stage of the war, and despite heavy losses, inflicted much more damage on Russian BMPs and tanks than anyone could expect. Plus, a lot of mahinces managed to survive and played an important role in Kharkiv counter-offencive, we even used BTR-4MV1 - with 5(!) triplexes for the driver + 360 view cameras and even more focus on protection, target acquisition capabilities, exists only in 1 machine, but seems to be the right direction to go to with BTRs, that can act as something capable, not just battle-taxi) Of course, it's just an equipment - it all comes down to training of the crews and tactics of application + the understanding of the commanders on how to use them + organizing the comms (BTR-4 has Harris, this is the main comms provider for Air Assault branch of UAF, and internal comms as well + and ability to be connected with commander on the ground, who can also help with target acquisition and interaction with dismounts). Hoping for good training to be received for Marders, as all these stats are just stats, until you know and trained how to use them to your advantage :)

So it’s got more armour than a Toyota Hilux? 😂. Worst case I suppose they can use it for Medevac purposes.

@@philshyu5248 Stick barrels on the sides and an outboard motor and use them for amphibious operations ala Top Gear

Dmitri Medvedev, the politician Putin used as a stooge to stand in form him to avoid term limits has been placed in charge of munitions production. There can be no doubt Russian MBT tank and IFV production will start to ramp up, including some of the advanced ones. He may be a stooge but he reveals real power and is a nasty POS (read his hateful and vile speech on the orthodox christmass cease fire) Ukraine will need the latest Western Tanks and IFV because in a year the latest Russian equipment will start flowing.

@@williamzk9083 I normally hate corrupt politicians but in this case I will make an exception and hope that these Russian politicians all stick their hands in the cookie jar and there’s no money left for munitions production.

The US say they will send 50 Bradleys. They themselves use 56 Bradleys in each rifle battalion, and a single battalion is nothing in this war, Ukraine has already lost the men corresponding to 100 battalions as KIA. What good would 40 20mm gunned Marders do? 1,000 would be a starter.

I would say that the best system they got so far is the pzh2000

I agree with you it's a great battle taxi no AFV is designed to go toe to toe with MBT 's definitely are deadly in the ambush with good anti armor capabilities a good crew definitely helps.

We need 400 of them. 40 is enough for one local operation, not a major advance.

They should give them the M113 variant the M901 Hammerhead if they still have any in stock those where equipped with a TOW launching system. Use the M113a3 track for better mobility than that of the older a1 or a2 variant of the M113 Just my opinion.

There where ideas of sending modernized M60s but the US doesn't have those and will have to ask allies for a swap. For now, the west isn't keen to send post-modern MBTs.

Tree weasel.

Pine Martins are what the yanks will be most aware of

@@moritamikamikara3879 Not in my area, we have Fisher cats, very secretive, but, I've seen 2 live ones, and one road killed in 28 years in an area surrounded by trees and squirrels. Black fur, very fast afoot.

A normal day in Beijing ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iZOcgH2drIZqsI0.html

and every German lives in fear of one of those critters destroying their car by eating the cables next to the engine. A force to be reckond with.

Everything has offensive capabilities if you are brave enough 😇

@@xaldorsnotgrimdark5972 not my point, but a fair observation.

What you heard there was a german social democrat politician playing word gymnastics to help justify the position of social democrat Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who is currently a shining example of lackluster leadership and lack of decisiveness when it comes to the Ukraine war. So like any other political word games, I wouldn't take that "tanks for defense" statement seriously from a technical expertise perspective.

With the Marder it is like with most western vehicles. They have to be handled very carefully and in their role with expert crew and under the circumstances they are especially designed for and with the tactics they are designed for. Simplyfied, its the old thing, we (the west) build stuff that works great when used under specific circumstances, russians build stuff which works anytime and anywhere but not so great overall.

@@polarstorm5986 Ah, the good old "russian stuff is reliable" BS 😀 Russian stuff is ultra flawed and prone to failure. Guess why almost no nation with a normal budget is buying anything russian? Their machines are simply not as reliable and long lasting + their performance is low. In the essence, the russians are still using the V-2 T-34 engine in their tanks...and that one was invented in Ukraine. Anything they tried after that wasn't too reliable either. The myth of "old reliable russian tech" is nothing but a myth :)

nice we will see bunch of ukrainians in these coffins soon !

@@polarstorm5986 its the other way around execpt that Nato vehicles often excel in tasks they were never meant for.

What exactly? They got smashed bad in these armored cars, are almost out of tanks and IFV.

@@tomk3732…from what was communicated, they lost a lot smaller numbers than the Russian troops… so, still well done, even if lost a lot too…

@@tomk3732 LOL. Check Osint

@@tomk3732 There is absolutely no indication of that. Putin already had to announce two mobilizations because of how many losses Russia takes, despite really not wanting to do so (because it had huge ramifications domestically, as the war is not as widely supported as one might think). The difference in strategy and tatics and knowing, how little the Russian command cares for losses of personell (I am Russian), I believe that our country had lost more troops than Ukraine for sure.

@@tihonannenkov4114 There was only one mobilization so i highly doubt you have any clue about anything.

Nothing at all would mean they can't fight further = they stop dying for nothing = they stop ruining the country for nothing and also don't have to pay for useless crap. So nothing at all would be endless better than this shit.

Yeah, that quote just made me angry. It's either profoundly ignorant or incredibly dishonest, and neither is agood.

Honestly that statement made my blood boil because it is so blatantly disingenuous that it insults the intelligence of the listener merely by being uttered. It's political cowardice not even excusable with the "escalation" nonsense because Poland already send MBT's en masses.

I think that the Allies could once again teach them a lesson.

Probably the real reason is the risk of our modern NATO tanks being captured and/or the risk that inadequate logistics (Western MBTs are a bitch to maintain) that they'd look bad being abandoned.

@@salisburysings254 More like bullshit politics. Germany has already sent PzH2000 which is actually their newest armored vehicle besides Puma.

And how do you think it’s going to go versus brigades of advanced T72 and T90 models?

@@Mortablunt Probably pretty bad for Russian armor since all Bradleys have anti tank rockets on them. They already went up against T72s in Iraq, and wasted them.

@@Mortablunt The Ukrainians will not use them against tanks, for that they have tanks of their own. Used in combination with tanks they are a great way to provide infantry with fire support, but it will be the infantry with missile launchers and the tanks that kill the T-72s and T-90s.

Bradley is in some aspects the more modern vehicle, it was introduced more than 10 years after Marder. Its main advantage is the bigger stabilized gun and TOW can be fired under armor-protection.

@@kpadalldotablet1009 the bushmaster could pen it easily below the turret.

Это вряд ли

Martens are extremely shy animals. There were tracks of them where I grew up and lived for 15 years and I never saw any of them. I saw several badgers and lynx, but martens are even more "run away, ran away, ruuun awaaay!"

@@bjorntorlarsson see, they are very stealthy warriors.

I hope You did not like Putin-Propaganda in Internet,,,,,

@@larrynivren8139 I can differ between reality and propaganda Many seem to suffer from so serious brain damage that they cannot do that. They believe anything that known fraudsters lie about, they live in fantasy world and have no ability to connect with reality, no matter what happens.

The Bradley is lighter armored than the Marder A3 but has the higher mobility, the Bradley is probably the most mobile combat vehicle in Ukraine at the moment. In this respect, it is obvious to examine whether the Bradley should not also be used as a reconnaissance vehicle, as other armed forces do.

@LOLO / VAL The AMX-10 RC has certainly proven itself extraordinarily well in desert use. But even the AMX-10 RCR has a combat weight of only 17 tons compared to 34 tons of the Marder A3 (Bradley 33t), which will have a significant impact in the operating conditions in Ukraine.

@LOLO / VAL The AMX-10 RC has certainly proven itself extraordinarily well in desert use. But even the AMX-10 RCR has a combat weight of only 17 tons compared to 34 tons of the Marder A3 (Bradley 33t), which will have a significant impact in the operating conditions in Ukraine.

@@herosstratos I think BMPs more mobility than Bradley and Marder (15 tons VS 30+ tons), aren't they?

@LOLO / VAL AMX 10RC won't be good in war when enemy have got a lot of artillery, and where a lot of trees and dirt. Ukraine is not desert with empty space and solid ground.

Different cannon ammo I presume?

Mostly correct, but the 105mm gun of an AMX-30 tank is slightly better than the Leopard due to it's incredible (for the time) french ammo, and it has just as much pressure and range, if not more as an L7. The low pressure one is the 105mm gun on the AMX-10RC, which the same as the one on the AMX-30 MBT, but just half pressure as it is installed on a 15 ton Recon vehicle not a 32 ton MBT, this is to better manage recoil.

Not really btr 80A is a btr 80 with 30mm cannon instead of 14.7mm Btr 82 , btr 82AM , btr 82A all of them have additional upgrades to the armour and thermals and other stuff

The italians have although some interesting vehicles in their arsenal.Dardo-IFV and the Centauro-light tank,that is more powerful than the french AMX10.

I'm willing to bet a lot that is being offered is due to logistical/training realities. Ukrainians may be training on the newer Warrior series as we speak and after the logistical, repair, and crews are ready then the announcement is made a few months before the delivery.

@@CharlesNauck A lot of stuff only gets announced after the training is done. I'm fairly certain we're going to see that in aircraft

There's places where they snuck across rivers and delivered troops to wooded areas in flanking maneuvers. Depends where you use it and who sees it.

Lmao, ok cuck. Not like there isnt amphibious accidents in the US military regarding amphibious equipment.

The main problem in overcoming water obstacles is not getting to the other side, but getting back onto the bank on the other side.

it's the same caliber alright but a different "cartridge"

@@webboy998 105x527 mm cartridge necked up from a 90 mm rather than a 105x617 mm from the L7, the NATO standard

It's not a different caliber, same 105mm gun as an AMX-30 tank, it is just half pressure as it is a 15 ton Recon vehicle not a 32 ton MBT, this is to better manage recoil.

@@Frencho9 plus, they developed APFSDS for it.. so even with lower recoil, it has comparable penetration as L7.. but of course, it cannot use standard NATO 105mm ammo...

@@webboy998 What is of course the most important part... Else you could compare ammunition with a pan.

TAM has a stroner engine(720hp vs 600hp) than Marder

93% gone lol

maybe because all that modern tanks were a either a show off paper tigers or sold, in a month or two russhist had to open old ww2 times storages.

@@hirdbarding3399 ive seen ukranians using ww1 mgs the shitshow is from both sides and +1 on ukranians since the idiots even sell new weapons....

The amount of territorial gain for Russia is equal to the size Portugal I believe. The territories include Ukraine's ports on the black sea, the majority of Ukraine's metallurgical industry and lastly Ukraine's gas fields. Those three are very important economic assets.. which they lost. How would you explain this as a loss for Russia?

@@Habib_Osman because russia captured much more at start, when noone expected the invasion, and then lost half of it - all capured in the north, all captured in Kharkiv Oblast, now Kherson, and will lose more. They proclamed all those territories their own forever core, and now lost. This is disaster for russhist image :) How can they explain that, if acc to their own info Ukrainian army is long time dead? :) And about industry...well...half of was in disrepair before, other half sadly will be or already are stolen by russians or ruined. It is no more an economical asset, but opposite - all this territories will need costly restorations :(

"It's a troop carrier, not a tank!"

The Marder cannot use the TOW. The Marder 1A3 can use MILAN and the 1A5 can also use MELLS (aka Spike), but not TOW.

They barely saw any Tiger 1 or Panther in France , about 70% of the Wehrmacht was at the eastern front . Crew training sure helps , but Tiger and Panther crew's mostly had many expirience . They started with Stug's or Pz4's , no 20 year old boys were operating the big German cats .

@@5co756 I recommend that you view Mark Felton Productions "Sherman vs Panther: France 1944".

@@patrickcloutier6801 For what ? You just wanted to say that Sherman crew's had more expirience than a Panther crew , wich is just nonsense to me .

@@5co756 Historian Mark Felton says that the American Sherman crews were better-trained than the German Panther crews encountered on the Western Front. If you view the video, you can hear his narrative for yourself.

@@patrickcloutier6801 I really appreciate Felton's videos and research, but US tank crews that were not in Torch or at Anzio etc. are nowhere near to be compared to tank crews with 4 - 5 years of warfighting experience. Survival of the fittest, good habits, and that's not to downplay US training and kit, but compare why in fighter aircraft we have Red Flag, aggressor squadrons/ Top Gun etc. Those programs were all created to replicate real combat experience. Which the Wehrmacht had since Sept 1st, 1939...

JUP.... and Marder is just a PERFECT TROOP-TRANSPORTER and TROOP-SUPPORTER... that's what it is made for.....

Ukraine is a Baby Russia is DADDY don't get confused

The Ukrainians were the tank and aircraft suppliers to Russia. They can probably do some modifications.

ZOV!

RIP USA.

very capable to die inside.

They will be sent with anti-tank missiles, just the French MILAN ones. It's an IFV - deployed with tank is how they always were meant to be used... 👍

They will come with the milan system

I think they will be blown up by arty or kamikaze drones .

@@5co756 Kamikazi drones that Russia uses have no cameras or ability to track targets. They can therefore only hit stationary targets in well known locations and are thus very ineffective at destroying Ukrainian military assets. This is why Russia uses them to hit civilian targets rather than using them on the frontline battles with Ukrainian forces

There are very few Milans left. I really hope that there's the will and the ammunition crates.

>peers

It appears NATO will allow Ukraine a slow death while trickling in just enough weapons to keep the war going and withholding what would help them win. Sadly, everyday Ukraine is losing men it can't replace.

The Ukrainians *have been counter attacking Russina invaders for months* ~ They have NO OTHER CHOICE The German politicians hiding behind weasel words of 'we will only supply 'defensive' armour' WHILST PUTIN'S MISSILES RIP APART CIVILIANS AND DEFENDERS ALIKE *That is despicable, self-serving hand-wringing self-indulgence of the worst sort*

@LOLO / VAL Yes, we can say it started with the EBR and AML to be able to travel to the central front and for Africa. The French Rapid Reaction Corps carried out some exercises with various light Div reinforcing the French I Corps. At the same time there was a budget constraint as they built up the Force D'Frappe. In the eighties the rebuilding of the Army begun, both AMX variants, AUF1, TRF1, VAB, Leclerc and supply vehicle inventory. Costs where some of the reasons but transportation and overseas intervention also play a big role. French thought on tactics is based on the 2nd DB's experience in WW2, the AMX10RC was issued to the Corps recce I believe the 8 Hussards in Altkirch at the time, the various schools and 6DLB anf 1st RCLE ( the marine and airborne used the ERC). The small armoured div. were meant to operate in fast stinging attacks the Recce was a mixture of Jeeps and AMX or AML this was only at Corps and the DL's. Div had a coy on jeeps and VAB. Having mentioned the size of the Div they consited of 3 mch Inf 2-3 tank and 2 Arty. A slight bit larger then the American WW2 armoured Div. So they did have a tactical operational vision, plus the Pluton Artillery. Jim Storr and his book battlegroup is highly reccomended. Track vehicles are more mobile cross country and less ground displacement. I can't see Jaguar filling in the AMX10 role but as a proper recce vehicle. Did see a prototype vehicle with 8 wheels and 120mm low pressure.

Wheeled AFVs was pretty forward thinking considering it's the modern go-to for lighter AFVs. They're just superior in most cases.

@@ArchOfficial I remember how in the 80's the Canadian Army failed the trials of the Cougar for Recce in Germany, fear of overall replacement by wheel AFV's.

Iam no expert and I assume it's a really good weapon. But is it suitable for a winter war when the battlefield is deep mud. Seen tracked vehicles get bogged down. I'd be interested if anyone could let me know how it performs in muddy conditions

German extreme pacifism have never been logical. Now it is colliding with reality. And more realistic pragmatism and less hypocrisy is probably the result.

Amphibious ability is not something you can use as river canceling though, it doesn’t work like that. Even more or less fully amphibious units in Eastern armies hardly use this ability - you still have to prepare the crossing and sometimes vehicles, plus your logistics need a bridge or ferry. It is ongoning debate in post Warsaw Pact armies if it is worth all the limitations that amphibious ability brings (see for example polish Borsuk that might serve only in limited numbers as heavy IFV might be chosen as main system).

@@Rabarbarzynca Yeah,but if you consider that an amphibious IFV could bypass bridges and engages the defensive positions from the flanks or cross a river at a badly defended position and establish a small beachhead and shielding the bridge from getting build compared to wait for a crossing before moving further i can see why the soviets would invest into it since their plan was to "crush nato" and move west while nato was well aware that they needed to delay the soviet armored formation as good as they could and wait for reinforcements to show up i would still say that the ability of the marder to pass small rivers without preperation gives it enough mobility in the field so that a small stream would prevent a real obstacle to them

At this point, I really don't think the general condition of Russian Army military vehicles currently in Ukraine would instill confidence that any BMP would be capable of amphibious operations.

Previously, the USSR Armed Forces were considered masters of attacking over a water obstacle. In Ukraine, on the other hand, the attacks by the Russian armed forces over water obstacles largely failed with the heaviest casualties.

@@herosstratos and they used improvised bridges all the time and not the amphibious ability of its vehicles.

”I’m about to end this man’s whole vacation”

MH is actually a good presenter who deals in facts. Perun is a propagandist.

I agree with Mortablunt. I have to say though that Perun definitely has the same capabilities as Military History.. its just such a pity he wants to repeat all the negative news/anti-Russian propaganda about Russia that western media channels promote. Example: there was a video of a singular Russian soldier showing 2 extremely rusted guns. Western media reported: "Russian army has terrible weapons maintenance, their soldiers fight with rusted weapons!" Perun repeated that claim multiple times despite that little rumour being based on like 3 private videos of 10 isolated pieces of equipment.

Another example: there was a panel discussion about the war in Ukraine. A panellist showed a photo showing a Russian vehicle with certain cracks in its wheels, and explained that the reason for that type of damage to wheels happens because 1 side of the vehicle was exposed to sun, while the other was not. Hence, the panelist concluded, Russia is inept at maintenance of wheeled vehicles. Perun repeated that claim multiple times despite that rumour being based on 1 singular source that showed 1 singular photo as evidence.

40 marder 1, usa is providing 50 Bradleys.

That would actually make for a really cool video in itself. Ukraine has a lot of systems in use right now, and several of them should work well in combined arms!

@@ddshiranui I wonder how much NATO is tracking this unexpected joint forces experiment Russia has provided at Ukraine's expense.

Netherland sent a number of YPR765. How many is secret. But they frequently pop up in footage from kherson and bakhmut.

France is outsourcing vab because of new systems, so they send outsourced vabs, same germans marder start getting outsourced. Nato is sending nearly 1500 armoured systems 30.000 rockets and 2 million heavy ammo

If Ukraine uses these effectively, they will get many more. The US has a couple thousand Bradley's that they no longer use. There are training and logistics issues that are easier to work out with a small number of vehicles. Once the AFU has figured out the logistics of fueling and maintaining them and figured out what is involved in training soldiers to use them effectively, then it makes sense to send more.

True... but if you see hundres of fish stranded on the beach and you pick up only a few ones and throws them back into waster before they die... does this seems like not much success but it means the world for those who got saved. Same here... every crew sitting in a Marder or Bradly compared to a truck or SUV or old BMP1 will really value it

You are right. But wirth many drops, which are given, You can make a cup of coffee or tea. Those are not stand alones. There are other incommers every day and also at the civile level.

As I’ve said it’s applying for victory was actually a concern the Western powers needed to make a lot of hard and final decisions back in the spring about what to supply and how they were going to ensure a sustained logistical chain. Basically they had to choose if they were going to ultimately convert Ukraine into a westernized force or set up their own production facilities for Soviet equipment. Have they gotten that done back in April or May, pieces of new production would be hitting the battlefield about now right when Ukraine is at a critical collapse. It’s too late now.

@@Mortablunt Agreed the West Fu$$ed up its logistics horribly. Infuriating.

Unfortunately, the Russians have no Centurion. They only have T64, T72, T80, T90 and Marder's 20mm cannot damage any of them even at point-blank range.

@@tvgerbil1984 Well, destroying MBTs is not the main task of an AIFV. The 20mm of the Marder is capable of destroying anything used in Ukraine except MBTs, for fighting MBTs you have to fall back on the Milan.

20mm can't pierce the new bmp-3 armor.

What I’m see their armor is substandard so a 20 mm can do some damage

@@tvgerbil1984 Wait, the russians also have nukes. OMG, the marder probably won't survive a direct hit. OMG OMG. Because fighting a war is "two vehicles enter the ring and fight it out!" Simple people talking about complex matters is more painfull than getting hit by 20mm i guess.

you're loving it .......... sending more weapons to kill people??? ............Americans will fight to last Ukraine ..

Ow my apologies Just let Russia 🇷🇺 invade Ukraine 🇺🇦 👏 what planet 🌎 are you living on ? You want another soviet empire ?

Our politicians are idiots, that's why. Sadly there were no alternatives available at the lasr election, low IQ was kinda the theme

Germany doesn't send new classes of heavy equipment individually. France and America seem to have similar notions and due to the timing of all 3 announcements it's likely all 3 countries had to coordinate it and waited for a moment when all countries were happy with sending it.

Apart from the social democrats and chancellor Scholz himself every one else in the defense industry, the rest of the government and big parts of the opposition agree that Germany could, now as well as 6 months ago, send IFVs and Tanks to Ukraine. The fact that Macron announced the wheeled tank support from France and only after that Germany reconsidered Marders makes me think there wasn't much coordination and more everyone else trying to convince Scholz to be less of an idiot.

I would imagine it has more to do with logistical support and combat readiness than pure politics - even if politics plays a part of every decision! The NATO countries and allies would have to coordinate with each other according to Ukrainian needs and what they can supply.

From what I recall, it was the *industry* that began refurbishing 100 Marders months ago on their own dime, perhaps anticipating that the government would change track at some point. Chancellor Scholz' position was always that he doesn't want Germany to be the first (in order to avoid being seen as "escalatory" - I'd disagree with him, but I can see where he is coming from), and now that France has stepped forward with the AMX-10, he can follow suit and just say Germany wants to be a reliable ally. If anyone were to start sending Abrams, LeClercs or Challengers, I have a hunch the Leopard 2 would follow, too. Then again, who knows what sort of talks may have taken place behind the scenes? I don't think this was planned months ago, but it is pretty interesting that these three announcements all came within only 24h.

@@ddshiranui Wild speculation warning! I'm pretty sure Scholz pisses his pants regularly over these discussion (with over western leaders) that surely happen and the fact they don't stand together making the announcement happen in unison but rather Macron does something himself earlier makes me believe they talked about this days before, Macron was pissed, announced it himself and then Scholz and Biden talked over the phone to make this happen.

@@Luca-sz5uy yes, which party is the good friend of putin, Gerhard Schröder, from? Connections and the agenda never changes.

Exactly, Bradleys (or Marders) could be very usefull in that role or comparable rolls, or in their role as transports and close support. The dream of mechanized ukrainian infantry division rolling all the way to Moscow just because now they will have some Bradleys (Marders) is absurd. The ukrainians just don't have the capabilitys to form such brigades and even if they do they only can use them as a qucik reaction force, not for breaking lines, etc.

If there are still enough Milan to spare .. I doubt it

Lots of Milan in uk

@@ifv2089 Well I hope the brits don't have to open up garbage bins to look for them. If they had enough, they would've sent them already to Ukraine. They aren't in service for 17 years (replaced by Javelin). So they are probably scrap metal now.

@@bjoernschneider7762 "Garbage bins to look for them" - "not in service" - "already sent to Ukraine" or Phone a friend and make up your mind.

@@ifv2089 Afaik, the last Combat use of Milan in british service was in 2006. If they still have usable quantities of Milans, why didn't the UK sent them to Ukraine as France abd Italy did? If you have any evidence I'd be happy for Ukraine ...

Yes, across all of the aid provided to Ukraine, does make a logistics nightmare for maintaince and repair. It is mitigated by close proximity to the original manufacturer and their supply chain. Poland and the baltic republics have been supplying support services for a bunch of Nato gear Ukraine is running. While this supply situation sucks it is better than lacking said equipment. Ideally Ukraine would want native wargear but since they dont have that big of an arms industry they need outside supply. Even the captured gear is becoming a supply problem.

They are just send there because it's all crap and to ruin western Ukraine further and somenone is for sure making nice profit with it. Doesn't matter if they work.

@@miriamweller812 go ahead and aim your attitude at the proper target, Russia. They can stop the fighting and pull out. And maybe after some contrition attempt to rejoin the cvilized world. They can stop this…..at any time.

I find it funny you think a amx 10 RC is bad. It's actually performed very well given french actually regularly doing things with there military.

old vehicles, still Germany will unlikely deliver them... all talk, only real action Germans macht schnell on is butt licking Chinese...

Why foist those death traps on the UAF?

@@murphy7801 I didn't say it was "bad". It's just not as good as I thought it was after I first heard about it. It shoots a low velocity proprietary round that must be in limited supply, and the gun isn't stabilized so it can't shoot on-the-move. Never-the-less, I'm glad and I thank France for sending them. I hope France sends all 248 of them. I know Ukraine can put them to good use.

@@tunahxushi4669 Hopefully, Germany and the whole Western world will soon stop "butt licking Chinese" as you put it.

With so many guided weapons around today, I would keep a distance of 30 meters from any kind of heavy equipment while within 50 km of the front. Bunching together 9-10 men into such a rolling steel coffin only makes killing more easier for an enemy that has practically monopoly on artillery and air force.

the puma is already in service

puma is a debacle and a fiasco it appears, all of the pumas used in exercise recently failed, even germany isnt ordering more of them anymore

@@poki580 yeah, not only that but they had to change requirements for maximum height as a panzergrenadier. You are not allowed to be bigger than 186 cm, as you are to big. Atleast that is the last info I have regarding that issue. Enraged a few people how were already in the army and about to join a puma company

@@poki580 well, considering the failures were mostly rather minor, you can debate if it is a fiasco. A parking heater was forgotten to be turned on in one Puma, deemed broken and the Puma classified as out of service…

@@poki580 No the real fiasco is the fake news by our useless defense min. It appears these "failures" were totally exaggerated and mainly caused by lack of maintenance and user error. All of the 18 are already back in service. Looks like they tried to shift the blame to the industry bc otherwise the military and ministerial admin. would have to take the blame for management mistakes. Fucking shit show as always.

The are used since 2021 for target practice.

Artillery is indirect fire. Good luck hitting a moving target.

@@carlosandleon Artillery hits moving targets just fine.

"swift" dismount...not so much. The door is rather slow.

It reminds me of a truck with a MG on the hood. It's a transport with a quick self-defense capability against infantry.

@Hamlet K Squid That would describe an APC. The Marder, on the other hand, is an IFV just like the Bradley

@@theodorkorner1497 - Depends on what you're fighting. This is a scout vehicle or a transport. You can't expect it to accomplish anything in an advance against unknown opposition, at any real range, or while moving. You can expect it to contribute fire to an unexpected meeting engagement at close range. 20 mm might take out enemy light armor, or it might not but this vehicle has no business encountering enemy armor at all. Bradley's evolved into more of a tank destroyer than its original purpose as an APC, but in large part that's because it wasn't much of a transport in the first place. The passenger compartment was smaller than the box of a small pickup in the original model. I haven't been in any newer ones.

Well, the Ukies have a really hard time restraining themselves from throwing AFVs face first at heavily defended Russian positions. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw them using Marders to spearhead an assault (they've been doing it since forever with BMP-1s/2s and captured BMP-3s). Such maneuvers usually end with a tube artillery or AT mine vibe check, followed by a prompt retreat.

Or even strap an NLAW to it in a pinch

@@SonsOfLorgar yea or the javelin. Considering that you need to go out any way you could use fire and forget weapons at closer ranges.

The Marder A5A1 has a Spike missile (modern top attack like the Javelin) so yes very possible. While a A5A1 has a lot of other upgrades which would take more time I don't see why you couldn't just do the Spike on it's own.

@@XMysticHerox well spike itself is a problem but maybe something for a NATO country? The normal A5 still uses the Milan but all of them are going to be upgraded to spike. I don’t think that they need heavy modifications for the Milan to spike change.

@@XMysticHerox The Spike missile can't be sent as Israel is blocking the export of it to Ukraine.

Run the aid packages against the actual demands from the front. This is the equivalent of feeding a family with a single Maruchan cup.