Yeah level 8 of anything remotely tanky can defo become an immovable object, especially when it has a regen tech!

Thanks for the well thought response as always. Yeah, I still don't really see what the Sabertooth really offers outside of mediocre anti-missile for the rather steep price of having to run Sabertooths in your build! Think I was overhyped for a Mammoth Tank and just sad these feel more like 60% of the power of a Sledgehammer unit. Maybe it's more that Sledgehammer and Scorpions are so strong in their respective roles that anything trying to compete with them has to be absolutely stellar to really get a look in. Don't really think Typhoon would've been a viable choice either in truth. Think the best pick here would've been the Phoenixes, good vs both the Sledgehammer and the inevitable Overlords and able to go toe-to-toe in the mirror match. Good luck with Sledgehammers of you own and may your enemies pick the Sabertooth, haha!

Glad I can share a bit of what it feels like! I've played against most top of the ladder players and spectated enough know a lot of their personal preferences and styles. Helps sometimes but knowing they've beaten you a couple times before can be tough on the mental!

Fair, just wish they were more reliable at it then!

Would be kinda broken that a 200cost unit to counter a 400cost unit while still dealing dmg.

They aren’t even very good at missle defense unless you invest 1200 supplies worth of units plus the tech

@@redgaarden8101they only shoot missles, unlike mustangs, when they shoot missles they don’t shoot ground units. The balance is fine, they need to be better at what they do 🤣

That's a cool idea! Know they don't want to just make better Sledgehammers so they need to be different in some way but they defo need a role to fill.

Agreed but I also think that's an indication that the unit itself is underpowered. A bit like how Mustangs pretty much always need Range to become a reliable dps that doesn't commit sudoku. Surely the unit itself could have a bit more power built in rather than relying on committing to a particular tech each and every game. Think +5 Range would fit, it's bigger and taller than other tanks and it's model is already larger so enemies can engage it sooner, giving a touch more Range would both improve it's damage dealing role and aid in survival.

That's cool, hadn't really thought about them as chaff tbh. Think they'd struggle in that role vs high dps units like Boats that can blow them up pretty quick?

In bulk 4-5 sabertooths can shutdown roughly up too six or seven volleys before missiles start slipping through and that's why board variety and synergy matter. Boats and storms can't kill your fangs crawls or sledge's if they can't hit them.

Okay, I tried them a few times in the weekend just after they came out and they were struggling to even kill Crawlers so I ditched them pretty quick! Presume the buff last Thursday helped them improve in their intended role?

Yeah lots of mistakes here, was annoyed at myself after the game - really could've and should've played better but lessons learned and fun was had either way. Just hope next time I can put up more of a fight!

Yeah, it's a bit rough. Would love them to be a tiny bit better than they are!

Haha good luck in the games to come!

Edit: Long comment below explaining my line in some detail. TL:DR Was trying to buy time for our Sabertooths to kill tanks but put the Fangs behind the tanks stupidly far back. _______________ Thanks for the comment, can defo see where you're coming from! You're not wrong - their positioning was atrocious, the Fangs should have been in front of our tanks not behind to make a difference and fill their role as expendable shields for the Sabertooths. Fundamentally it's not wrong to buy more chaff to slow down your opponent's carries from getting onto your own chaff clear units, even if you know they will die, that's what chaff is there for. I'll walk you through my thinking step by step, sorry it will be quite long! Remember - I'm not perfect and everything I say can be wrong or can change depending on the situation; what I'm expecting our opponent to do as their win condition or what I want to do myself for our own win condition. In essence if your opponent has better chaff clear like Cody did here we can either concede the ground battle and take to the skies or try and stay in the fight with better quality chaff like the shielded Fangs should've been for us if I'd positioned them better. If we gave up on buying chaff because he had strong chaff clear then we concede the chaff battle, unleashing both his chaff and chaff clear units to become carries unto themselves and we lose the game pretty quickly. So we have to contest the tanks somehow, this game we've gone Sabertooth as our Anti-tank unit as an experiment and because they are okay at killing Sledgehammers we just need to buy them the time to do so. For the amount of chaff (Crawlers) Cody was presenting we had adequate chaff clear ourselves with two sets of Sledgehammers but with the six sets of tanks he was playing, and knowing he was going to be taking Mechanical Rage, we knew his tank line was about to become a carry and threaten to end the game. We had 800 gold to spend this turn. To counter tanks I would normally go Scorpion, but they overlap a lot with Sabertooth tanks and they're very weak into Phoenix and Overlord both of which are carry units I'm expecting Cody to try and win through. Again something which our Sabertooth tanks are also weak to so we can't afford to spend even more money on a valuable unit that will already be hard countered in the coming turns. We can't afford Fortresses in sufficient quantities to contest the ground battle before they die to his aerial units and if we go Overlord or Phoenix ourselves with inadequate chaff or chaff clear then we will lose the exchange because his carries can hit ours before we've cleared his front line. So instead I circle round to trying to buy more time for the anti-tank Sabertooths to work to do their job and kill his tanks. So I bought extra chaff, Fangs, and gave them shields to buy double the time they would normally give for the Sabertooths to fight from behind. But sadly I positioned them badly, really badly! Hope that helps you follow my line of reasoning and play. Sorry if I'm giving too much detail or not enough detail in my answer. It's a hard things to explain in a concise way but the easiest explanation I can think of is that you need a balance of Chaff, Chaff-clear, Anti-air and Giant Killers (carries) and depending on how much of each of those your opponent plays you'll need different amounts of each one yourself. Here we didn't needed an answer to his tanks, we already had one on the board, I just failed to protect it adequately! (Plus Sabertooths are terrible! :D )

Cheers dude, I'm not sure what Sabertooths really do in the game right now. Their anti-missile is terribly unreliable, their dps underwhelming and they really aren't very tanky as a 'heavy' tank.

@@Drone_101 yeah it’s sad cause they remind me of halo wars grizzlies but I’m waiting for the buff

Think if they give us two tanks per unit then it'd need toning down in stats quite a lot and then it'll overlap the basic Sledgehammer too much and lack it's own distinct identity. Right now Scorpions are probably too strong which is what's pushing Sabertooth out of the frame. We'll see what the devs do in future balance passes though!

Hahaha nice! I can totally see it working in that sense.

Yeah that's pretty much my exact experience. Sabertooth tanks feel like dollar store Scorpions that lack the range, damage and tankiness of their bigger scarier brethren. Watch out for tomorrow's video though - spoilers - Sabertooth tanks get a chance to shine :D

Yeah, just feels tough. My best success with them has been pairing them in ground of 3x Sabertooths with 1x Arclight behind the middle Saber and going Range with or without Regen or Anti-missile as 2ndry. Arclight helps clear the chaff fast, then the Saber can start punching up onto tougher targets that the Arcs struggle with. Still feels weak though, think the Saber could use a faster base rate of fire if they've taken the Launcher Overload upgrade off of it.

Would be cool to have a 200+300 cost unit specialist that synergised with them like Giant Specialist does for the 400 cost units.

Bit of a shame really, could've been nice to have another tool for pushing back against Overlord Supremacy style plays! :D

Not really sure to be honest, just need a bit of time to enjoy myself and recharge. Any suggestions?

@@Drone_101 Have you tried Desert Strike ? It is a mod available in Starcraft II. It is the same kind as Mechabellum except, it is SCII units. :D Otherwise, since I do not know what you like (probably RTS), I do not know what to suggest to you.

I was big into minion masters. Great game. It's free to play and just a lot of fun. No need to buy anything. Once u get all of the cards there's a lot of fun building unbalanced decks and such. I played that till I found mechabellum.

Cheers dude! Yeah think I either need to be more aggressive when playing into his preferred style to up the tempo or make sure I've got the stronger start if I'm handshaking into a Standard vs Standard battle.